Name the 5 most endangered Giants vets

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John jerry,mark herzlich,Marshall Newhouse,George selvie

Kick them all to the curb.

per Quinn's interview today. I think we fans tend to undervalue that. He's a crummy linebacker but his special teams performance is very valuable. He's not on the most-endangered list.

Jayron Hosley is still on the team? Wow. He is down to his ninth life. He better play like a Pro Bowler in training camp or he'll be gone.

Marcus Kuhn - They have to be thinking that the new DTs they brought in will force him off the roster. Even the new kid Carlif Taylor may beat him out. More upside potential.

Adrien Robinson would be in a lot of danger if there was a lot of talent competing for the 2nd and 3rd TE spots. But I don't think LaCosse or Tye takes his spot unless one of them shines as a blocker.

I don't know why everyone hates Preston Parker so much. He was perfectly adequate last season. No more, but no less. He's just a guy, but replacing him isn't urgent.

Eric Herman is endangered just because the Giants haven't made a big investment in him and Bobby Hart seems to be a similar developmental prospect. They probably won't keep both. Hart may have more talent, but Herman has a year under his belt.

I agree that Jenkins and Jerry are in trouble. Re Jenkins, he's the kind of veteran you like having around when you need leadership on the DL and you're a playoff contender playing pressure games. But Hankins is a veteran now, the team has been lousy, and there's a rebuilding/youth movement going on. He'll have to play superb football in camp to keep a spot.

Re Jerry, he wasn't very good on his last team, he was only occasionally okay last season with the Giants, either Pugh or Flowers is playing guard this season, and the Giants have some prospects behind him. If any of those prospects is even ok and shows the unfulfilled potential, Jerry's gotta be gone.

I don't think Selvie is in the same class. He played ok for Dallas. But there's going to be some fierce competition at DE with JPP locked in on one side and OO, Moore, Selvie, Wynn and Ayers competing for the other spots. Unfortunately I doubt any of those guys is ever going to be an elite starting DE.

In comment 12279405 81_Great_Dane said:

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per Quinn's interview today. I think we fans tend to undervalue that. He's a crummy linebacker but his special teams performance is very valuable. He's not on the most-endangered list.

Couldn't we have bottom-quartile special teams without him?

In comment 12279373 Blueblooded808 said:

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John jerry,mark herzlich,Marshall Newhouse,George selvie

Strike three...you're out!

He sucks
Hosley too

I watched the "finding Giants" series which showed us everything our scouts go through before selecting someone. Then, upper management and all of the coaches get involved.

I can understand drafting a guy who ends up being less than what we expected. That will happen in every draft....but how to we miss so badly on Hosley? It is not as if he is less than what we expected, he absolutely SUCKS. We would have been better off picking a name out of a hat.

He's the #1 backup at both G positions and probably one of the better backup G around.

Selvie is a legit candidate to be a starter at LDE with Ayers still recovering from his injury. Doubt he is going anywhere either.

gets an inappropriate amount of flack. He played between a bad center and an injured right tackle and still did an excellent job of pass protection.

gets an inappropriate amount of flack. He played between a bad center and an injured right tackle and still did an excellent job of pass protection.

Most of those guys have never even played.

When you say vets Im thinking of somebody like Cullen Jenkins. Not guys that were on the roster bubble to begin with.

In comment 12279373 Blueblooded808 said:

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John jerry,mark herzlich,Marshall Newhouse,George selvie

I managed to disagree with every single player you listed. I think there is a very small any of these guys don't make the 53, nor should they be cut IMO. A near zero chance on most of them. Jenkins is effectively the starter, will be a big part of the DT rotation of healthy.

Schwartz.

I think Kuhn is as good as gone, unless there's an injury. which is very possible. There's just so much competition on the DL. Hosley and Robinson, it's a make or break training camp for, they do have a good shot at sticking considering he positions as there are open spots. A lot will depend on specials, I don't know that Hosley contributes there (does he contribute anywhere?), unless he outshines the cb comp on defense, he's got an uphill battle. I see Robinson more likely to stick of those two.

who earned serious PT last year on the OL while pine riders remain are dizzy. IE Herman and Mosley are more likely cuts than
Newhouse and Jerry, IMO.

Kuhn is more likely to stick than Jenkins, too, IMO.

In comment 12279603 PatersonPlank said:

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Schwartz.

I guess the 9th overall pick is expendable?

his playbook knowledge. Physically they like him still I imagine.

In comment 12279623 bLiTz 2k said:

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In comment 12279603 PatersonPlank said: Quote: Schwartz. I guess the 9th overall pick is expendable?

Blitz should learn to read. The op asks about veteterans, not rookies.

1) Guys who qualify as veterans according to the CBA, but haven't played much and face a tough battle to make the team. These include:
Dallas Reynolds, Chris Ogbonnaya, Chris Harper, Julian Talley, Dominique Hamilton, Chandler Fenner, James Davidson, Justin Anderson, Trevin Wade, Robert Malone, Adam Gettis, Juron Criner, Josh Gordy and Ricky Stanzi, among others. George Selvie is probably in this category too, as the probable sixth DE on a team that can only carry five. While technically accurate, an answer including any of those names isn't very interesting. They need to play well, and maybe get some luck. Nothing to see here. Move along.

2) The OP's original meaning - significant former contributors or draft picks whose roster spots will be contested, such as Jayron Hosley, Brandon Mosley, Adrien Robinson, Markus Kuhn, Eric Herman (who could be in Category 1), Mark Herzlich, and possibly Cullen Jenkins, John Jerry, Jameel McClain and Josh Brown, among others.

Since injuries will go a long way toward deciding the last few roster spots, I'll resist naming names. But I will say that Jenkins, McClain, Jerry and Marshall Newhouse are all fairly secure if healthy. Everything about their contracts, plus the roster situation at their positions, suggests that they will at least be important backups.

Even Jayron Hosley has a good opportunity to stick. Hosley may suck, but nine or ten DBs will make the team. How many are locks to make it? Hosley has more physical ability than most of them, and there's always a chance the light bulb will go on.

On one hand, he has been money on FGs since joining the Giants, hitting over 90% of his attempts. On the other hand, he's a 36-year-old kicker with little or no dead money, facing competition from a top 2014 prospect. While Boswell might just be a camp leg, I wouldn't write him off. He figures to be tougher competition than Brandon McManus.

Mara has to put his foot down and cut AR himself. Huge Reese blunder that keeps sticking around like an old spark plug left in a garage.

Let it go, Jerry! You blew it on that pick 4 years ago. Moss him already.

...will need a strong camp/pre-season, plus maybe a little luck, to make it to Dallas. A few bold-face names could shake out too, like Jenkins, Thompson or Jerry/Newhouse. The italicized players - Cruz, Ayers and Beason - are on the team, assuming they are healthy.

Quarterbacks(2):
10 Eli Manning, 12 Ryan Nassib
02 Ricky Stanzi

Halfbacks(3 + 1):
23 Rashad Jennings, 44 Andre Williams, 34 Shane Vereen
26 Orleans Darkwa, 47 Chris Ogbonnaya, 39 Akeem Hunt

Fullbacks (1):
45 Henry Hynoski
49 Nikita Whitlock

Wide Receivers (4 + 2 or 3):
13 Odell Beckham, 80 Victor Cruz, 82 Rueben Randle, 17 Dwayne Harris
9 Geremy Davis, 83 Preston Parker, 18 Marcus Harris, 88 Corey Washington, 19 Julian Talley, 86 Chris Harper, 87 Juron Criner

Tight Ends/H-Backs (1 + 2):
84 Larry Donnell
81 Adrien Robinson, 85 Daniel Fells, 89 Jerome Cunningham, 41 Matt LaCosse, 48 Will Tye

Offensive Linemen (7 + 2 or 3):
65 William Beatty, 67 Justin Pugh, 74 Geoff Schwartz, 76 Ereck Flowers, 70 Weston Richburg, 73 Marshall Newhouse, 77 John Jerry
75 Brandon Mosley, 62 Eric Herman, 68 Bobby Hart, 69 Brett Jones, 64 Michael Bamiro, 61 Dallas Reynolds, 60 Adam Gettis, 63 Emmett Cleary, 71 Sean Donnelly,

Defensive Linemen (8 + 1 or 2):
90 Jason Pierre-Paul, 95 Johnathan Hankins, 97 Kenrick Ellis, 91 Robert Ayers, 98 Damontre Moore, 96 Jay Bromley, 71 Owamagbe Odighizuwa, 99 Cullen Jenkins
93 George Selvie, 72 Kerry Wynn, 78 Markus Kuhn, 66 Jordan Stanton, 68 Brad Harrah, 79 Dominique Hamilton, 63 Carlif Taylor

Linebackers (5 + 1 or 2):
52 Jon Beason, 59 Devon Kennard, 55 J.T. Thomas, 54 Jonathan Casillas, 53 Jameel McClain
94 Mark Herzlich, 57 Victor Butler, 49 Cole Farrand, 41 Ryan Jones, 46 James Davidson, 47 Uani Unga

Defensive Backs (7 + 2 or 3):
21 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, 20 Prince Amukamara, 38 Trumaine McBride, 27 Landon Collins, 29 Nat Berhe, 30 Cooper Taylor, 33 Mykkele Thompson
24 Bennett Jackson, 39 Chykie Brown, 37 Mike Harris, 48 Chandler Fenner, 28 Jayron Hosley, 31 Trevin Wade, 43 Thomas Gordon, 00 Josh Gordy, 36 Justin Currie

Kickers and Snappers (2 + 1):
05 Steve Weatherford, 51 Zak DeOssie
03 Josh Brown, 06 Chris Boswell, 08 Robert Malone

and that Demontre Moore wears a 40 or 50 number on his jersey, allowing another DL'er.

I would go as many d-linesmen and d-backs as we can fit. shrink the LB core as well.

however, I keep the Herz

anymore, and both have had injuries.

McClain was never the fast athletic type, good at the line, but Kennard can rush from an end or a gap, Moore could be one like that, and even Herz is good up at the line against the run.

Then we have new safeties.

Both McClain and Beason could be surprise cuts if they are not in great shape and still showing quicks. also- depending on what Spags wants to do scheme wise.

these two are worth watching:

Uani Unga was signed to the Practice Squad in late December 2014. Unga suffered a serious injury to his right knee (ACL, MCL, and meniscus) his last year in college in 2013 and was not drafted. Unga lacks ideal size and overall athleticism but he is a smart, instinctive, physical, and competitive football player who plays the run well.


Cole Farrand was signed as a rookie free agent after the 2015 NFL Draft. Farrand played inside linebacker at Maryland. He lacks ideal size and speed. However, he is a smart, tough, hard-working, instinctive linebacker who plays well against the run and is decent in coverage. Hard hitter and sure tackler.

In comment 12279481 EricJ said:

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I watched the "finding Giants" series which showed us everything our scouts go through before selecting someone. Then, upper management and all of the coaches get involved. I can understand drafting a guy who ends up being less than what we expected. That will happen in every draft....but how to we miss so badly on Hosley? It is not as if he is less than what we expected, he absolutely SUCKS. We would have been better off picking a name out of a hat.

He is a man press CB, that was stuck in an outdated Tampa 2 scheme. He is best suited for an attack style defense and not a zone coverage D and that's why he thrived in College. This is very similar to Corey Webster.. He was a man coverage CB that got stuck in a zone coverage Tim Lewis D.

I could see him playing allot better under Spags then he did with Fewell. Not saying it's going to happen, but it's sure as hell can.

In comment 12279557 BillT said:

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He's the #1 backup at both G positions and probably one of the better backup G around. Selvie is a legit candidate to be a starter at LDE with Ayers still recovering from his injury. Doubt he is going anywhere either.

Depends on our 7th founder and if he is a keeper and fast developer

In comment 12279678 idiotsavant said:

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anymore, and both have had injuries. McClain was never the fast athletic type, good at the line, but Kennard can rush from an end or a gap, Moore could be one like that, and even Herz is good up at the line against the run. Then we have new safeties. Both McClain and Beason could be surprise cuts if they are not in great shape and still showing quicks. also- depending on what Spags wants to do scheme wise.

McClain is the top backup for all positions. Beason is the starter at MLB with Kennard and Thomas outside (assuming he beats out McClain). Herzlich is someone you hope is the 6th LB at best. He's good against the run, but he is slow and cannot cover ground well at all. He makes Blackburn look quick.

... it can give you an idea of how the organization views certain vested veterans - especially if their contracts were negotiated or reworked recently. With that in mind, here are Spotrac's figures - and OverTheCap's where they disagree - for some of the older vets on the front seven:
Jon Beason* ($3,833,334)
Cullen Jenkins* ($916,668 / $666,668)
Jameel McClain ($700,000 / $300,000)
Robert Ayers ($500,000)
Kenrick Ellis** ($500,000)
Mark Herzlich** ($400,000)
George Selvie** ($200,000)
Markus Kuhn ($11,474)
* - Restructure / Pay Cut, with Guarantees
** - New contract

I think Spotrac's number is right for McClain, unless his March roster bonus was deferred. It's hard to know about Jenkins, because his restructure changed his roster bonus terms.

are at linebacker, and who plays where.

start by making them all do the 3 cone, time that and time 20 yard sprints.

I have proposed the 5-0-6 plenty of times, so cut 'em all.

;-0

Kuhn
Mosley
Herman
Hosely
Washington I hope he gets going but with Harris (Dal)
and the other Harris that showed promise before injury
he could be odd man out .

1. Jayron Hosley
2. Marcus Kuhn
3. Adrian Robinson
4. Eric Herman
5. Victor Butler

I'd take Adrian Robinson out and put

3. D. Fells

I'd add 6. Cullen Jenkins and 7. WR P. Parker (numbers / youth / specials / Cruz returns as #3)

I really believe TE Robinson finds his game this year. The physical tools are there and you saw flashes of talent in last year's camp and later in games. He's healthy two years in a row now and ready to bust out. We need a "surprise" guy to come out of nowhere!

the hate on preston parker. played well, showed a hell of a heart and some fire in that st louis fight. that alone id keep him as 5th receiver/backup slot guy

i also really like cullen jenkins, really underrated

that being said
hosely
kuhn
robinson
dallas reynolds
hosely. yea i know.