You can pick a fight with montanagiant... it's ok. You'll win because people like him only like to deal with speculation, maybe's, emotion, what MSM/the internet tells them to think, and their imagination. People like us try to be objective and look at the totality of evidence and consider all the facts, without preconceived notions and biases.
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
By the way Ace, before getting your panties in an uproar, you were the one to take the first personal shot, so don't sit here crying like a little bitch because you got it back. Here, because knowing you, your going to lie and say I'm wrong:
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allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
This not understanding who wrote what seems to be a trend with you. I suggest you read slower and it will help you to follow all the ignorant shit you write.
You can pick a fight with montanagiant... it's ok. You'll win because people like him only like to deal with speculation, maybe's, emotion, what MSM/the internet tells them to think, and their imagination. People like us try to be objective and look at the totality of evidence and consider all the facts, without preconceived notions and biases.
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
Awww Allstar is all upset because he was made to look a fool...Awww.
Hey Dickstain, Bake and I are actually friends. Both from the same upstate city. We are about as diverse in our thinking as it gets but we always have a rational discussion. Unlike you he has quite a bit ofknowledge on subjects and he can write a ratinal post.
LMAO... I bet you disagree with him an awful lot.
Only you would think I was the one that looked like a fool in this thread. All I did was link articles proving your inaccuracies and that you were full of shit. Good times.
BTW, I'm not upset in the least tiniest bit. I quite enjoyed using you as a punching bag. Until next time, junior... brush up on... well, something.
"According to Cornell, the man told him that he and Zimmerman have had three disputes. This time, Zimmerman waved a gun and the man shot at him, according to Cornell.
Police arrived minutes after he called 911, Cornell said.
Police have not verified Cornell's account to CNN.
History of run-ins with the law
It is the latest headline-grabbing incident for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2013 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American.
Zimmerman fatally shot Martin on February 26, 2012.
On that day, Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford, Florida, called 911 to report "a suspicious person" in the neighborhood.
The dispatcher asked him if he was following the person and Zimmerman replied that he was "trying to find out where he went."
He ignored the dispatcher's advice not to follow the person, and according to later accounts by Zimmerman, Martin jumped toward him and a fight ensued."
To this day, I can't see how some defend Zimmerman. How they instead of feeling bad for the kid who was running an errand, instead mocking his death because "he wasn't a saint". And that a zealot with a gun and an itchy finger initiated the whole incident by breaking his own neighborhood's rules about involvement, creating a situation where TM felt he needed to defend himself from the guy who was following him...And TM turned out to be right--he was being followed by a guy who would later kill him. He was right! Yet some blame this victim.
You can pick a fight with montanagiant... it's ok. You'll win because people like him only like to deal with speculation, maybe's, emotion, what MSM/the internet tells them to think, and their imagination. People like us try to be objective and look at the totality of evidence and consider all the facts, without preconceived notions and biases.
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
Awww Allstar is all upset because he was made to look a fool...Awww.
Hey Dickstain, Bake and I are actually friends. Both from the same upstate city. We are about as diverse in our thinking as it gets but we always have a rational discussion. Unlike you he has quite a bit ofknowledge on subjects and he can write a ratinal post.
LMAO... I bet you disagree with him an awful lot.
Only you would think I was the one that looked like a fool in this thread. All I did was link articles proving your inaccuracies and that you were full of shit. Good times.
BTW, I'm not upset in the least tiniest bit. I quite enjoyed using you as a punching bag. Until next time, junior... brush up on... well, something.
Your still looking like a fool because you have a habit of parsing the discussion and taking portions out of context while ignoring your own actions. Its a habit of fools
Police press conference where they say that not only was Zimmerman not the shooter this time but that the 911 call was made by a 3rd party on behalf of Matthew Apperson. Sounds like the road rage was on Apperson's part. The Daily Mail has an article but I'll simply line the NBC coverage of the police announcement.
But Zimmerman is an out of control lunatic who seems to cause shots to be fired.
Lunatic? pretty sure he was found to be mentally competent to stand trial before he was aquitted.Out of control? whose control, in what way? are you saying he should be arrested? for what? Something specific, or you just don't like him.Should he "die in a fire"? Let's have a witch hunt. He must have done something, right?
You can pick a fight with montanagiant... it's ok. You'll win because people like him only like to deal with speculation, maybe's, emotion, what MSM/the internet tells them to think, and their imagination. People like us try to be objective and look at the totality of evidence and consider all the facts, without preconceived notions and biases.
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
By the way Ace, before getting your panties in an uproar, you were the one to take the first personal shot, so don't sit here crying like a little bitch because you got it back. Here, because knowing you, your going to lie and say I'm wrong:
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allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
This not understanding who wrote what seems to be a trend with you. I suggest you read slower and it will help you to follow all the ignorant shit you write.
This is not true at all. Re-read the thread.
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montanagiant : 3:10 pm : link : reply
What injuries supported that? The Medical examiner herself said his injuries were "Insignificant"
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allstarjim : 3:14 pm : link : reply
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
Only a fool would suggest someone should wait until the injuries were significant enough to cause unconsciousness, severe bodily injury, or death, before it is justifiable to defend oneself.
That's not personal attack, it's a valid, relevant point. Same here:
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allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
Then this is you:
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montanagiant : 3:28 pm : link : reply
LMAO....Hey Dipshit, the MEDICAL EXAMINER stated that his injuries were most likely caused by one punch, not the "Pounding into the pavement" you keep claiming. If these were such life threatening injuries why did he wait until the next day to get examined at a clinic? Why no x-rays? Why does an actual doctor who examined the evidence claim they were extremely minor injuries?
You can sit here and try to claim this "Well if he falls just right, he might actually get injured" line of stupid, but the actual facts of the case are that his injuries were minor despite you trying to claim otherwise. Don't try to spin your claim now idiot, acknowledge that your wrong
Which is hilarious, because your point was shown to be incorrect, despite you writing it with such amazing conviction, lol.
This is also you:
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montanagiant : 3:19 pm : link : reply
What aspect made Zimmerman following and approaching Martin "Justified" then?
I was responding to all of you (njm, xmeadowlander included)... but you clearly were in the "Zimmerman approached Martin" camp, as your question indicated acceptance that this statement was factual.
Seriously, I would just give it up if I were you. Maybe you could try another topic.
Ah yes, poor St. Trayvon! Poor, poor, beating a man's head into the pavement St. Trayvon!
If someone confronted me, I discovered it was George Zimmerman, and I couldn't run, I sure hope I could beat his head into the pavement. Might be the only way to survive that encounter.
I actually believe you and I started on this site the same week many years ago.
We probably have complete opposite views on many subjects but I know you are a passionate guy and I respect that. As I have said in the past, your dad was a major figure in our fair city and that tells me something about you.
You guys should know by now not to trust the headlines with little or no detail.
Lastly, after the last incident where the Lake Mary police issued a press release announcing the arrest and releasing Zimmerman's phone number and address, he had to move out of the state of Florida. The fact that this guy found him driving around after Zimmerman was visiting his mom is beyond creepy
RE: has he been charged with a crime in any of those incidents?
No? So what's your point? Unless your SOP is to assume guilt in every arrest, that is. Is that your belief?
Hey, Freddie Gray was arrested a whole bunch of times! Who cares what happened to him, amirite?
If it was freddie gray, there would be riots,and then the police would be told to stand down while the city burned and then we could blame it on racism because black mayor black DA black police chief plus Al Sharpton came to town to help straighten it all out.Everyone knows whitey runs baltimore.It's the system, man.
Zimmerman deserves what he gets. Poor freddie gray though.Just like Rodney King, innocent guy being picked on.
And dont bring up that nonsense about double standards.If Al Sharpton says it, it has to be true. Just ask Tawana Brawley.
You may think that if someone is doing that to you, it give you the right to confront that person with physical violence.
You'd be horribly wrong, too.
How about if they're actively stalking you? Your narrative is a garden of disinformation and begs the question.
I have zero interest in schooling more BBIers who didn't follow the case closely enough to have an informed opinion.
First you need to look up the definition of stalking and then see if it applies to this case (it doesn't). Other than that... feel free to let your imagination run wild.
Further, I've simply posted articles from credible news sources like ABC News and quoted them. I am far from providing disinformation. I have studied this case far more than most people outside of the legal authorities charged with doing so. If you have not done the same then do so before starting in with me. Btw this includes hearing all of the 911 calls, looking at overhead maps with incident overlays (critical to understanding what happened), reading the police reports, watching testimony on youtube, watching news interviews of eyewitnesses shortly after the altercation, and more. So, if you have more information I have not seen, I'd be glad to see it. Otherwise, bark up another tree.
What's with the "Poor, poor, St. Trayvon" crap? What's the purpose of interjecting that?
The kid was unjustly stalked and approached by this lunatic asshole. That much is clear, so I don't understand the nasty tone regarding the dead teen.
What happened after that - if Zimmerman was acting in self defense or not was not clear enough to convict him, so the justice system acted appropriately. Could not prove murder, so he walked.
But the incident occurred because Zimmerman is undeniably unstable with serious anger issues.
So let me get this straight, you are saying Zimmerman was insane, therefore he should never have been charged in the first place, and should have put in a mental health care facility where he could get the assistance he needs. It was wrong for him to be prosecuted in the first place, due to reason of insanity. I see.
And it has precisely what to do with the evidence in that case?
Well there was a big push t paint Martin as a thug, while white washing Zimmerman's past. The facts though are that Zimmerman was the only one with a criminal record. One case involved an altercation with police. In addition the only way you know for sure he was getting beaten on by Martin, Is Zimmerman's story.
Right. Forensic evidence be damned.
RE: RE: RE: RE: OR. Maybe he IS a fucking lunatic...
Honestly, I can't believe he still has supporters.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend.
Supporters? I don't give a flying fuck what he's done since then, and if any of you were honest, neither do any of you. This is entirely about what happened several years ago, otherwise none of this would be posted here so you guys can engage in yet another session of furious back-patting.
This. You can easily subscribe to the theory that Trayvon defended himself. If you ignore witness accounts and pesky facts.
I think he's at least somewhat mentally unstable. And he allowed himself to think that because he was found not guilty, that he is like some vigilante superhero above the law now. I wouldn't say the guy has supporters at all. There are those that believe his version of what happened on the night he shot Trayvon was pretty close to the truth (the version supported by physical evidence and eyewitnesses). Everything since then, however, really is irrelevant as to what happened, and it would surprise no one to see him in future legal trouble in some way or another.
Oh... so I guess only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself that night huh? Oh wait... he wasn't the one being followed by a guy with a gun was he?
You don't need to guess. A jury found him innocent.
As if some fucking phone operator making ten bucks an hour is the voice of God or something.
This is a good point. What right do we have to criticize Zimmerman for pursuing the guy counter to the 911 dispatcher's advice? That kind of reverence for the law and those whose job it is to uphold it is reserved only towards those that make triple her salary.
The kid was unjustly stalked and approached by this lunatic asshole. That much is clear
If that much was clear I think DOJ would have proceeded with civil rights charges.
What aspect made Zimmerman following and approaching Martin "Justified" then?
I'm sorry, is approaching someone a crime? Is there a statue for it somewhere? He needs to show justification for approaching someone? Or can I walk through your hood and you better stay the fuck away from me, is that the law? Pretty sure it isn't.
And it has precisely what to do with the evidence in that case?
Well there was a big push t paint Martin as a thug, while white washing Zimmerman's past. The facts though are that Zimmerman was the only one with a criminal record. One case involved an altercation with police. In addition the only way you know for sure he was getting beaten on by Martin, Is Zimmerman's story.
Right. Forensic evidence be damned.
Wasn't there a thread posted not too long ago citing a study that found a lot of forensic evidence is completely flawed? I think some namby-pamby liberal posted that, if I recall correctly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: OR. Maybe he IS a fucking lunatic...
Sure, in principle that is true. But is that still true if the person you "attack" is a crazy guy chasing you with a gun? It depends on who's doing the attacking and who's doing the defending.
So, your contention is that Zimmerman started a fistfight while he was carrying a pistol? Do I have that correctly?
He started some shit. I can't say exactly what it was. Shoulda just left the kid alone. But he chased him right up until it was time to stand his ground.
Right, "He started some shit" could you POSSIBLY have any less of a clue what the fuck you are talking about. You don't know what he did wrong but it must have been something. How about you dont like the fact he was guilty of being white? Cause apparently that's all he was guilty of. What else, you're not sure of, but it must have been something.
BURN THE WITCH!!! ignorant asshole.
You can pick a fight with montanagiant... it's ok. You'll win because people like him only like to deal with speculation, maybe's, emotion, what MSM/the internet tells them to think, and their imagination. People like us try to be objective and look at the totality of evidence and consider all the facts, without preconceived notions and biases.
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
By the way Ace, before getting your panties in an uproar, you were the one to take the first personal shot, so don't sit here crying like a little bitch because you got it back. Here, because knowing you, your going to lie and say I'm wrong:
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allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
This not understanding who wrote what seems to be a trend with you. I suggest you read slower and it will help you to follow all the ignorant shit you write.
This is not true at all. Re-read the thread.
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montanagiant : 3:10 pm : link : reply
What injuries supported that? The Medical examiner herself said his injuries were "Insignificant"
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allstarjim : 3:14 pm : link : reply
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
Only a fool would suggest someone should wait until the injuries were significant enough to cause unconsciousness, severe bodily injury, or death, before it is justifiable to defend oneself.
That's not personal attack, it's a valid, relevant point. Same here:
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allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
Then this is you:
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montanagiant : 3:28 pm : link : reply
LMAO....Hey Dipshit, the MEDICAL EXAMINER stated that his injuries were most likely caused by one punch, not the "Pounding into the pavement" you keep claiming. If these were such life threatening injuries why did he wait until the next day to get examined at a clinic? Why no x-rays? Why does an actual doctor who examined the evidence claim they were extremely minor injuries?
You can sit here and try to claim this "Well if he falls just right, he might actually get injured" line of stupid, but the actual facts of the case are that his injuries were minor despite you trying to claim otherwise. Don't try to spin your claim now idiot, acknowledge that your wrong
Which is hilarious, because your point was shown to be incorrect, despite you writing it with such amazing conviction, lol.
This is also you:
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montanagiant : 3:19 pm : link : reply
What aspect made Zimmerman following and approaching Martin "Justified" then?
I was responding to all of you (njm, xmeadowlander included)... but you clearly were in the "Zimmerman approached Martin" camp, as your question indicated acceptance that this statement was factual.
Seriously, I would just give it up if I were you. Maybe you could try another topic.
Holy shit, are you for real here? You come out calling people fools and morons first, and then want to sit here and claim that is not a personal attack? Then double down with that ignorance and act like a twat and whine because you get hit back....You have to have some mental issues to apply such a warped logic to what you said. This is like dealing with a 12 year old. LOL...unbelievable the constant attempts at twisting the truth.
The devil you say! I'm nonplussed! Is that the right word?
Apparently she wasn't very convincing.
So based on that logic, I take it you believe OJ is innocent correct?
Since there is virtually no exculpatory evidence that should have cleared OJ....no. But invoking OJ is a pretty good sign that you don't have a whole helluva lot to use here.
Yeah I guess those gloves not fitting was a fantasy
Which just shows how twisted partial and lacking credibility anything you have to say is.Tell us how OJ is innocent, but martin is guilty. Hypocrite. It's clear what you think and who you support is based not on facts but the color of their skin.
And it has precisely what to do with the evidence in that case?
Well there was a big push t paint Martin as a thug, while white washing Zimmerman's past. The facts though are that Zimmerman was the only one with a criminal record. One case involved an altercation with police. In addition the only way you know for sure he was getting beaten on by Martin, Is Zimmerman's story.
Right. Forensic evidence be damned.
What forensic evidence? The fact no DNA of Martins was found on the Holster despite Zimmermans claim he made a grab for the gun there?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Well, if you aren't a supporter...
The kid was unjustly stalked and approached by this lunatic asshole. That much is clear
If that much was clear I think DOJ would have proceeded with civil rights charges.
What aspect made Zimmerman following and approaching Martin "Justified" then?
I'm sorry, is approaching someone a crime? Is there a statue for it somewhere? He needs to show justification for approaching someone? Or can I walk through your hood and you better stay the fuck away from me, is that the law? Pretty sure it isn't.
Why do I have to explain to the second person who can't follow a fucking thread discussion? IT WAS NJM WHO SAID HE APPROACHED HIM in response to someone else claiming he it happened unjustly...Holy fuck is it really that hard to follow a discussion?
Honestly, I can't believe he still has supporters.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend.
Supporters? I don't give a flying fuck what he's done since then, and if any of you were honest, neither do any of you. This is entirely about what happened several years ago, otherwise none of this would be posted here so you guys can engage in yet another session of furious back-patting.
This. You can easily subscribe to the theory that Trayvon defended himself. If you ignore witness accounts and pesky facts.
I think he's at least somewhat mentally unstable. And he allowed himself to think that because he was found not guilty, that he is like some vigilante superhero above the law now. I wouldn't say the guy has supporters at all. There are those that believe his version of what happened on the night he shot Trayvon was pretty close to the truth (the version supported by physical evidence and eyewitnesses). Everything since then, however, really is irrelevant as to what happened, and it would surprise no one to see him in future legal trouble in some way or another.
Oh... so I guess only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself that night huh? Oh wait... he wasn't the one being followed by a guy with a gun was he?
You don't need to guess. A jury found him innocent.
So by this statement "A jury found him innocent" Does that mean everyone found innocent was not guilty of the crime? Kasey Anthony, Robert Durst, OJ? they were all innocent and did not do the crime correct?
Why the hell is he going to start a fight instead of drawing his weapon? That makes absolutely no sense.
You can't just draw your firearm in Florida. The only time you can draw your firearm is in a stand your ground situation where your life is in danger, and you pretty much have to fire it.
RE: RE: so, your big gotcha is a woman who claims to have seen something
One man in the incident had been punched. It was Zimmerman. One had knuckles that were busted up. That was Martin.
But yeah, some woman who admits she doesn't really know what she saw think that Zimmerman was the one beating on Martin. You've got me.
So from the fact that Zimmerman got punched, and Martin had scrapes on his hand we can throw out any kind of theory that Zimmerman initiated this? That those scrapes are proof positive that Martin started this? Never seen a fight where one idiot decides to shove someone and gets clocked? Never seen a fight where one guy takes a swing and misses and then gets his ass handed to him? Must be nice to live in such a proof positive world where scrapes on a knuckle is all you need
See the ONLY one who has had a say in what actually happened at the start was the guy fighting not to go to jail.
Don't need proof. Had a trial. He was found innocent. Unless maybe you want to argue against jury trials.I find it hilarious how a guy get shot in the face, and a whole segment of the community cheers it on based on nothing but racial hatred of this guy saying he deserved it. based on nothing but ourageous unsubstantiated assumptions it must be his fault.It's crystal clear who the racists and haters are. Blame the victim some more why don't you.
RE: RE: never seen a fight where an armed man up and takes a swing
at a larger man who may or may not be armed for no apparent reason, no. That is indeed a new one for me.
Larger man? Zimmerman outweighed him by 27 lbs. So the guy who has an actual gun does not want to start a fight with someone who may have one? OK
If he didnt want to start a fight why did he go back? why did his girlfriend find it necessarry to tell him to just go home and not go looking for trouble? Your case has no merits, thus why Zimmerman was found not guilty.
Honestly, I can't believe he still has supporters.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend.
Supporters? I don't give a flying fuck what he's done since then, and if any of you were honest, neither do any of you. This is entirely about what happened several years ago, otherwise none of this would be posted here so you guys can engage in yet another session of furious back-patting.
This. You can easily subscribe to the theory that Trayvon defended himself. If you ignore witness accounts and pesky facts.
I think he's at least somewhat mentally unstable. And he allowed himself to think that because he was found not guilty, that he is like some vigilante superhero above the law now. I wouldn't say the guy has supporters at all. There are those that believe his version of what happened on the night he shot Trayvon was pretty close to the truth (the version supported by physical evidence and eyewitnesses). Everything since then, however, really is irrelevant as to what happened, and it would surprise no one to see him in future legal trouble in some way or another.
Oh... so I guess only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself that night huh? Oh wait... he wasn't the one being followed by a guy with a gun was he?
You don't need to guess. A jury found him innocent.
So by this statement "A jury found him innocent" Does that mean everyone found innocent was not guilty of the crime? Kasey Anthony, Robert Durst, OJ? they were all innocent and did not do the crime correct?
lives not too far from me. He's involved in all sorts of incidents. Allowing him to possess a firearm of any type just doesn't make sense. I'm a big supporter of firearms rights and I feel the government would be doing everyone a favor by disarming this person once and for all.
My opinion of Zimmerman has nothing to do with the case that made him infamous. I'd feel the same about any person who is involved in all sorts of disputes that turn violent and usually involve a firearm. He disgusts me as a fellow human. I hope there is some law on the books somewhere that can ensure he goes gunless or goes to prison.
You have to look at the situation objectively. At the time, the evidence pointed to Trayvon attacking him (likely because Zimmerman was watching him).
Zimmerman's injuries supported his account.
He can, at the same time, be an insufferable dirtbag, and a victim. He can, at the same time, have legally defended himself against an attacker, and also be a head case.
And, both he and Trayvon both may have been, let's just say, not the finest examples of humanity, where both of their actions contributed to what transpired.
You don't have to believe George Zimmerman is a great guy to believe he was attacked and legally used lethal force to defend himself.
This is what I think of the whole thing... and the jury at the time agreed after reviewing all of the evidence and witness testimony.
Unfortunately, dead people cannot defend themselves. George can say all he wants. We will never know the truth except that a young man was killed. The police specifically told George not to follow the kid. If he didn't follow kid, we would not be discussing this.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: OR. Maybe he IS a fucking lunatic...
Honestly, I can't believe he still has supporters.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend.
Supporters? I don't give a flying fuck what he's done since then, and if any of you were honest, neither do any of you. This is entirely about what happened several years ago, otherwise none of this would be posted here so you guys can engage in yet another session of furious back-patting.
This. You can easily subscribe to the theory that Trayvon defended himself. If you ignore witness accounts and pesky facts.
I think he's at least somewhat mentally unstable. And he allowed himself to think that because he was found not guilty, that he is like some vigilante superhero above the law now. I wouldn't say the guy has supporters at all. There are those that believe his version of what happened on the night he shot Trayvon was pretty close to the truth (the version supported by physical evidence and eyewitnesses). Everything since then, however, really is irrelevant as to what happened, and it would surprise no one to see him in future legal trouble in some way or another.
Oh... so I guess only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself that night huh? Oh wait... he wasn't the one being followed by a guy with a gun was he?
You don't need to guess. A jury found him innocent.
So by this statement "A jury found him innocent" Does that mean everyone found innocent was not guilty of the crime? Kasey Anthony, Robert Durst, OJ? they were all innocent and did not do the crime correct?
Didn't you already say OJ was innocent?
No I did not...And really that is a weak attempt at not answering the question because you know it will make you look silly when you do.
So lets try this again:
Since you feel that a jury finding someone not guilty means they are innocent, does that mean you believe Kasey Anthony, Robert Durst, and OJ are innocent and did not commit those crimes?
And it has precisely what to do with the evidence in that case?
Well there was a big push t paint Martin as a thug, while white washing Zimmerman's past. The facts though are that Zimmerman was the only one with a criminal record. One case involved an altercation with police. In addition the only way you know for sure he was getting beaten on by Martin, Is Zimmerman's story.
Right. Forensic evidence be damned.
Wasn't there a thread posted not too long ago citing a study that found a lot of forensic evidence is completely flawed? I think some namby-pamby liberal posted that, if I recall correctly.
There WAS a study showing a lot of ferensic evidence is flawed, and I mean a LOT of it. If i recall correctly it was evidence that was used to obtain convictions, meaning, evidence presented by the state, the prosecutiion.I seem to think it largely concerned DNA evidence, if we are talking about the same thing. Not evidence used by the defense, in general, as would have been the case with Zimmerman here.Your point isn't applicable with respect to the report about faulty evidence and george zimmerman. There is not connection there, but I think you knew that.
It's my practice to try and keep dialogue civilized until the other party decides they don't need to do that.What I'll say is that I followed the Zimmerman case, I don't think much of the man, but in the end I concluded 2 things. 1)Trayvon martin assaulted Zimmerman.Had Zimmerman NOT fired I think it would have been next to impossible to not have found Martin guilty of assault.My review of what I saw as evidence presented told me that, told me that in fact reports on his injuries were minimized by the media.
2)I also thought had the jury come back with a verdict of manslaughter or misadventure, I wouldn't have been too upset about it. The prosecution had no business charging him with murder in the first place. On the other hand I thought Zimmerman should have served some time. He was guilty of Harrasment at the very least.Manslaughter at most.
Some tweets from the reporting done on the guy who tried to shoot GZ
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
By the way Ace, before getting your panties in an uproar, you were the one to take the first personal shot, so don't sit here crying like a little bitch because you got it back. Here, because knowing you, your going to lie and say I'm wrong:
allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
This not understanding who wrote what seems to be a trend with you. I suggest you read slower and it will help you to follow all the ignorant shit you write.
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You can pick a fight with montanagiant... it's ok. You'll win because people like him only like to deal with speculation, maybe's, emotion, what MSM/the internet tells them to think, and their imagination. People like us try to be objective and look at the totality of evidence and consider all the facts, without preconceived notions and biases.
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
Awww Allstar is all upset because he was made to look a fool...Awww.
Hey Dickstain, Bake and I are actually friends. Both from the same upstate city. We are about as diverse in our thinking as it gets but we always have a rational discussion. Unlike you he has quite a bit ofknowledge on subjects and he can write a ratinal post.
LMAO... I bet you disagree with him an awful lot.
Only you would think I was the one that looked like a fool in this thread. All I did was link articles proving your inaccuracies and that you were full of shit. Good times.
BTW, I'm not upset in the least tiniest bit. I quite enjoyed using you as a punching bag. Until next time, junior... brush up on... well, something.
"According to Cornell, the man told him that he and Zimmerman have had three disputes. This time, Zimmerman waved a gun and the man shot at him, according to Cornell.
Police arrived minutes after he called 911, Cornell said.
Police have not verified Cornell's account to CNN.
History of run-ins with the law
It is the latest headline-grabbing incident for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2013 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American.
Zimmerman fatally shot Martin on February 26, 2012.
On that day, Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford, Florida, called 911 to report "a suspicious person" in the neighborhood.
The dispatcher asked him if he was following the person and Zimmerman replied that he was "trying to find out where he went."
He ignored the dispatcher's advice not to follow the person, and according to later accounts by Zimmerman, Martin jumped toward him and a fight ensued."
To this day, I can't see how some defend Zimmerman. How they instead of feeling bad for the kid who was running an errand, instead mocking his death because "he wasn't a saint". And that a zealot with a gun and an itchy finger initiated the whole incident by breaking his own neighborhood's rules about involvement, creating a situation where TM felt he needed to defend himself from the guy who was following him...And TM turned out to be right--he was being followed by a guy who would later kill him. He was right! Yet some blame this victim.
Spot on
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You can pick a fight with montanagiant... it's ok. You'll win because people like him only like to deal with speculation, maybe's, emotion, what MSM/the internet tells them to think, and their imagination. People like us try to be objective and look at the totality of evidence and consider all the facts, without preconceived notions and biases.
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
Awww Allstar is all upset because he was made to look a fool...Awww.
Hey Dickstain, Bake and I are actually friends. Both from the same upstate city. We are about as diverse in our thinking as it gets but we always have a rational discussion. Unlike you he has quite a bit ofknowledge on subjects and he can write a ratinal post.
LMAO... I bet you disagree with him an awful lot.
Only you would think I was the one that looked like a fool in this thread. All I did was link articles proving your inaccuracies and that you were full of shit. Good times.
BTW, I'm not upset in the least tiniest bit. I quite enjoyed using you as a punching bag. Until next time, junior... brush up on... well, something.
Your still looking like a fool because you have a habit of parsing the discussion and taking portions out of context while ignoring your own actions. Its a habit of fools
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You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
By the way Ace, before getting your panties in an uproar, you were the one to take the first personal shot, so don't sit here crying like a little bitch because you got it back. Here, because knowing you, your going to lie and say I'm wrong:
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allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
This not understanding who wrote what seems to be a trend with you. I suggest you read slower and it will help you to follow all the ignorant shit you write.
This is not true at all. Re-read the thread.
montanagiant : 3:10 pm : link : reply
What injuries supported that? The Medical examiner herself said his injuries were "Insignificant"
allstarjim : 3:14 pm : link : reply
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
Only a fool would suggest someone should wait until the injuries were significant enough to cause unconsciousness, severe bodily injury, or death, before it is justifiable to defend oneself.
That's not personal attack, it's a valid, relevant point. Same here:
allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
Then this is you:
montanagiant : 3:28 pm : link : reply
LMAO....Hey Dipshit, the MEDICAL EXAMINER stated that his injuries were most likely caused by one punch, not the "Pounding into the pavement" you keep claiming. If these were such life threatening injuries why did he wait until the next day to get examined at a clinic? Why no x-rays? Why does an actual doctor who examined the evidence claim they were extremely minor injuries?
You can sit here and try to claim this "Well if he falls just right, he might actually get injured" line of stupid, but the actual facts of the case are that his injuries were minor despite you trying to claim otherwise. Don't try to spin your claim now idiot, acknowledge that your wrong
Which is hilarious, because your point was shown to be incorrect, despite you writing it with such amazing conviction, lol.
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montanagiant : 3:19 pm : link : reply
What aspect made Zimmerman following and approaching Martin "Justified" then?
I was responding to all of you (njm, xmeadowlander included)... but you clearly were in the "Zimmerman approached Martin" camp, as your question indicated acceptance that this statement was factual.
Seriously, I would just give it up if I were you. Maybe you could try another topic.
You'd be horribly wrong, too.
How about if they're actively stalking you? Your narrative is a garden of disinformation and begs the question.
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Only if he left Trayvon alone..
Ah yes, poor St. Trayvon! Poor, poor, beating a man's head into the pavement St. Trayvon!
If someone confronted me, I discovered it was George Zimmerman, and I couldn't run, I sure hope I could beat his head into the pavement. Might be the only way to survive that encounter.
We probably have complete opposite views on many subjects but I know you are a passionate guy and I respect that. As I have said in the past, your dad was a major figure in our fair city and that tells me something about you.
You guys should know by now not to trust the headlines with little or no detail.
Lastly, after the last incident where the Lake Mary police issued a press release announcing the arrest and releasing Zimmerman's phone number and address, he had to move out of the state of Florida. The fact that this guy found him driving around after Zimmerman was visiting his mom is beyond creepy
Hey, Freddie Gray was arrested a whole bunch of times! Who cares what happened to him, amirite?
Zimmerman deserves what he gets. Poor freddie gray though.Just like Rodney King, innocent guy being picked on.
And dont bring up that nonsense about double standards.If Al Sharpton says it, it has to be true. Just ask Tawana Brawley.
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You may think that if someone is doing that to you, it give you the right to confront that person with physical violence.
You'd be horribly wrong, too.
How about if they're actively stalking you? Your narrative is a garden of disinformation and begs the question.
I have zero interest in schooling more BBIers who didn't follow the case closely enough to have an informed opinion.
First you need to look up the definition of stalking and then see if it applies to this case (it doesn't). Other than that... feel free to let your imagination run wild.
Further, I've simply posted articles from credible news sources like ABC News and quoted them. I am far from providing disinformation. I have studied this case far more than most people outside of the legal authorities charged with doing so. If you have not done the same then do so before starting in with me. Btw this includes hearing all of the 911 calls, looking at overhead maps with incident overlays (critical to understanding what happened), reading the police reports, watching testimony on youtube, watching news interviews of eyewitnesses shortly after the altercation, and more. So, if you have more information I have not seen, I'd be glad to see it. Otherwise, bark up another tree.
The kid was unjustly stalked and approached by this lunatic asshole. That much is clear, so I don't understand the nasty tone regarding the dead teen.
What happened after that - if Zimmerman was acting in self defense or not was not clear enough to convict him, so the justice system acted appropriately. Could not prove murder, so he walked.
But the incident occurred because Zimmerman is undeniably unstable with serious anger issues.
That will always remain a hypothetical, because I'm not the sort of person who'd carry a gun and follow a guy.
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misunderstanding in 2015? 3-5 sounds about right
You mean like with rodney king who kept getting in trouble until he was killed, not by the police? Like that? Or is it different?
Just to be clear, this is a white vs black issue for you?
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Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
That will always remain a hypothetical, because I'm not the sort of person who'd carry a gun and follow a guy.
Agree with this... which is why position is and has been that he's an asshole.
Agree with this... which is why position is and has been that he's an asshole.
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And it has precisely what to do with the evidence in that case?
Well there was a big push t paint Martin as a thug, while white washing Zimmerman's past. The facts though are that Zimmerman was the only one with a criminal record. One case involved an altercation with police. In addition the only way you know for sure he was getting beaten on by Martin, Is Zimmerman's story.
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Honestly, I can't believe he still has supporters.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend.
Supporters? I don't give a flying fuck what he's done since then, and if any of you were honest, neither do any of you. This is entirely about what happened several years ago, otherwise none of this would be posted here so you guys can engage in yet another session of furious back-patting.
This. You can easily subscribe to the theory that Trayvon defended himself. If you ignore witness accounts and pesky facts.
I think he's at least somewhat mentally unstable. And he allowed himself to think that because he was found not guilty, that he is like some vigilante superhero above the law now. I wouldn't say the guy has supporters at all. There are those that believe his version of what happened on the night he shot Trayvon was pretty close to the truth (the version supported by physical evidence and eyewitnesses). Everything since then, however, really is irrelevant as to what happened, and it would surprise no one to see him in future legal trouble in some way or another.
Oh... so I guess only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself that night huh? Oh wait... he wasn't the one being followed by a guy with a gun was he?
This is a good point. What right do we have to criticize Zimmerman for pursuing the guy counter to the 911 dispatcher's advice? That kind of reverence for the law and those whose job it is to uphold it is reserved only towards those that make triple her salary.
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The kid was unjustly stalked and approached by this lunatic asshole. That much is clear
If that much was clear I think DOJ would have proceeded with civil rights charges.
What aspect made Zimmerman following and approaching Martin "Justified" then?
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And it has precisely what to do with the evidence in that case?
Well there was a big push t paint Martin as a thug, while white washing Zimmerman's past. The facts though are that Zimmerman was the only one with a criminal record. One case involved an altercation with police. In addition the only way you know for sure he was getting beaten on by Martin, Is Zimmerman's story.
Right. Forensic evidence be damned.
Wasn't there a thread posted not too long ago citing a study that found a lot of forensic evidence is completely flawed? I think some namby-pamby liberal posted that, if I recall correctly.
Juries dont find people "innocent" in America.
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Sure, in principle that is true. But is that still true if the person you "attack" is a crazy guy chasing you with a gun? It depends on who's doing the attacking and who's doing the defending.
So, your contention is that Zimmerman started a fistfight while he was carrying a pistol? Do I have that correctly?
He started some shit. I can't say exactly what it was. Shoulda just left the kid alone. But he chased him right up until it was time to stand his ground.
BURN THE WITCH!!! ignorant asshole.
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You can pick a fight with montanagiant... it's ok. You'll win because people like him only like to deal with speculation, maybe's, emotion, what MSM/the internet tells them to think, and their imagination. People like us try to be objective and look at the totality of evidence and consider all the facts, without preconceived notions and biases.
You will get called a dipshit, though. So as long as you're cool with that...
By the way Ace, before getting your panties in an uproar, you were the one to take the first personal shot, so don't sit here crying like a little bitch because you got it back. Here, because knowing you, your going to lie and say I'm wrong:
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allstarjim : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
This not understanding who wrote what seems to be a trend with you. I suggest you read slower and it will help you to follow all the ignorant shit you write.
This is not true at all. Re-read the thread.
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montanagiant : 3:10 pm : link : reply
What injuries supported that? The Medical examiner herself said his injuries were "Insignificant"
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allstarjim : 3:14 pm : link : reply
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
Only a fool would suggest someone should wait until the injuries were significant enough to cause unconsciousness, severe bodily injury, or death, before it is justifiable to defend oneself.
That's not personal attack, it's a valid, relevant point. Same here:
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Are you so much of a moron that you would wait until you were suffering "serious" injuries before you defended yourself?
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montanagiant : 3:28 pm : link : reply
LMAO....Hey Dipshit, the MEDICAL EXAMINER stated that his injuries were most likely caused by one punch, not the "Pounding into the pavement" you keep claiming. If these were such life threatening injuries why did he wait until the next day to get examined at a clinic? Why no x-rays? Why does an actual doctor who examined the evidence claim they were extremely minor injuries?
You can sit here and try to claim this "Well if he falls just right, he might actually get injured" line of stupid, but the actual facts of the case are that his injuries were minor despite you trying to claim otherwise. Don't try to spin your claim now idiot, acknowledge that your wrong
Which is hilarious, because your point was shown to be incorrect, despite you writing it with such amazing conviction, lol.
This is also you:
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montanagiant : 3:19 pm : link : reply
What aspect made Zimmerman following and approaching Martin "Justified" then?
I was responding to all of you (njm, xmeadowlander included)... but you clearly were in the "Zimmerman approached Martin" camp, as your question indicated acceptance that this statement was factual.
Seriously, I would just give it up if I were you. Maybe you could try another topic.
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The devil you say! I'm nonplussed! Is that the right word?
Apparently she wasn't very convincing.
So based on that logic, I take it you believe OJ is innocent correct?
Since there is virtually no exculpatory evidence that should have cleared OJ....no. But invoking OJ is a pretty good sign that you don't have a whole helluva lot to use here.
Yeah I guess those gloves not fitting was a fantasy
Which just shows how twisted partial and lacking credibility anything you have to say is.Tell us how OJ is innocent, but martin is guilty. Hypocrite. It's clear what you think and who you support is based not on facts but the color of their skin.
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And it has precisely what to do with the evidence in that case?
Well there was a big push t paint Martin as a thug, while white washing Zimmerman's past. The facts though are that Zimmerman was the only one with a criminal record. One case involved an altercation with police. In addition the only way you know for sure he was getting beaten on by Martin, Is Zimmerman's story.
Right. Forensic evidence be damned.
What forensic evidence? The fact no DNA of Martins was found on the Holster despite Zimmermans claim he made a grab for the gun there?
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The kid was unjustly stalked and approached by this lunatic asshole. That much is clear
If that much was clear I think DOJ would have proceeded with civil rights charges.
What aspect made Zimmerman following and approaching Martin "Justified" then?
I'm sorry, is approaching someone a crime? Is there a statue for it somewhere? He needs to show justification for approaching someone? Or can I walk through your hood and you better stay the fuck away from me, is that the law? Pretty sure it isn't.
Why do I have to explain to the second person who can't follow a fucking thread discussion? IT WAS NJM WHO SAID HE APPROACHED HIM in response to someone else claiming he it happened unjustly...Holy fuck is it really that hard to follow a discussion?
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You may think that if someone is doing that to you, it give you the right to confront that person with physical violence.
You'd be horribly wrong, too.
How about if they're actively stalking you? Your narrative is a garden of disinformation and begs the question.
Watch it he will start whining your picking on him.
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Honestly, I can't believe he still has supporters.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend.
Supporters? I don't give a flying fuck what he's done since then, and if any of you were honest, neither do any of you. This is entirely about what happened several years ago, otherwise none of this would be posted here so you guys can engage in yet another session of furious back-patting.
This. You can easily subscribe to the theory that Trayvon defended himself. If you ignore witness accounts and pesky facts.
I think he's at least somewhat mentally unstable. And he allowed himself to think that because he was found not guilty, that he is like some vigilante superhero above the law now. I wouldn't say the guy has supporters at all. There are those that believe his version of what happened on the night he shot Trayvon was pretty close to the truth (the version supported by physical evidence and eyewitnesses). Everything since then, however, really is irrelevant as to what happened, and it would surprise no one to see him in future legal trouble in some way or another.
Oh... so I guess only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself that night huh? Oh wait... he wasn't the one being followed by a guy with a gun was he?
You don't need to guess. A jury found him innocent.
So by this statement "A jury found him innocent" Does that mean everyone found innocent was not guilty of the crime? Kasey Anthony, Robert Durst, OJ? they were all innocent and did not do the crime correct?
You can't just draw your firearm in Florida. The only time you can draw your firearm is in a stand your ground situation where your life is in danger, and you pretty much have to fire it.
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That there is absolutely no evidence for?
One man in the incident had been punched. It was Zimmerman. One had knuckles that were busted up. That was Martin.
But yeah, some woman who admits she doesn't really know what she saw think that Zimmerman was the one beating on Martin. You've got me.
So from the fact that Zimmerman got punched, and Martin had scrapes on his hand we can throw out any kind of theory that Zimmerman initiated this? That those scrapes are proof positive that Martin started this? Never seen a fight where one idiot decides to shove someone and gets clocked? Never seen a fight where one guy takes a swing and misses and then gets his ass handed to him? Must be nice to live in such a proof positive world where scrapes on a knuckle is all you need
See the ONLY one who has had a say in what actually happened at the start was the guy fighting not to go to jail.
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at a larger man who may or may not be armed for no apparent reason, no. That is indeed a new one for me.
Larger man? Zimmerman outweighed him by 27 lbs. So the guy who has an actual gun does not want to start a fight with someone who may have one? OK
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Honestly, I can't believe he still has supporters.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend.
Supporters? I don't give a flying fuck what he's done since then, and if any of you were honest, neither do any of you. This is entirely about what happened several years ago, otherwise none of this would be posted here so you guys can engage in yet another session of furious back-patting.
This. You can easily subscribe to the theory that Trayvon defended himself. If you ignore witness accounts and pesky facts.
I think he's at least somewhat mentally unstable. And he allowed himself to think that because he was found not guilty, that he is like some vigilante superhero above the law now. I wouldn't say the guy has supporters at all. There are those that believe his version of what happened on the night he shot Trayvon was pretty close to the truth (the version supported by physical evidence and eyewitnesses). Everything since then, however, really is irrelevant as to what happened, and it would surprise no one to see him in future legal trouble in some way or another.
Oh... so I guess only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself that night huh? Oh wait... he wasn't the one being followed by a guy with a gun was he?
You don't need to guess. A jury found him innocent.
So by this statement "A jury found him innocent" Does that mean everyone found innocent was not guilty of the crime? Kasey Anthony, Robert Durst, OJ? they were all innocent and did not do the crime correct?
My opinion of Zimmerman has nothing to do with the case that made him infamous. I'd feel the same about any person who is involved in all sorts of disputes that turn violent and usually involve a firearm. He disgusts me as a fellow human. I hope there is some law on the books somewhere that can ensure he goes gunless or goes to prison.
Jeez, have you been stalking me?
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misunderstanding in 2015? 3-5 sounds about right
You mean like with rodney king who kept getting in trouble until he was killed, not by the police? Like that? Or is it different?
Just to be clear, this is a white vs black issue for you?
Everything is for Great White Power.
You have to look at the situation objectively. At the time, the evidence pointed to Trayvon attacking him (likely because Zimmerman was watching him).
Zimmerman's injuries supported his account.
He can, at the same time, be an insufferable dirtbag, and a victim. He can, at the same time, have legally defended himself against an attacker, and also be a head case.
And, both he and Trayvon both may have been, let's just say, not the finest examples of humanity, where both of their actions contributed to what transpired.
You don't have to believe George Zimmerman is a great guy to believe he was attacked and legally used lethal force to defend himself.
This is what I think of the whole thing... and the jury at the time agreed after reviewing all of the evidence and witness testimony.
Unfortunately, dead people cannot defend themselves. George can say all he wants. We will never know the truth except that a young man was killed. The police specifically told George not to follow the kid. If he didn't follow kid, we would not be discussing this.
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Honestly, I can't believe he still has supporters.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend.
Supporters? I don't give a flying fuck what he's done since then, and if any of you were honest, neither do any of you. This is entirely about what happened several years ago, otherwise none of this would be posted here so you guys can engage in yet another session of furious back-patting.
This. You can easily subscribe to the theory that Trayvon defended himself. If you ignore witness accounts and pesky facts.
I think he's at least somewhat mentally unstable. And he allowed himself to think that because he was found not guilty, that he is like some vigilante superhero above the law now. I wouldn't say the guy has supporters at all. There are those that believe his version of what happened on the night he shot Trayvon was pretty close to the truth (the version supported by physical evidence and eyewitnesses). Everything since then, however, really is irrelevant as to what happened, and it would surprise no one to see him in future legal trouble in some way or another.
Oh... so I guess only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself that night huh? Oh wait... he wasn't the one being followed by a guy with a gun was he?
You don't need to guess. A jury found him innocent.
So by this statement "A jury found him innocent" Does that mean everyone found innocent was not guilty of the crime? Kasey Anthony, Robert Durst, OJ? they were all innocent and did not do the crime correct?
Didn't you already say OJ was innocent?
So lets try this again:
Since you feel that a jury finding someone not guilty means they are innocent, does that mean you believe Kasey Anthony, Robert Durst, and OJ are innocent and did not commit those crimes?
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And it has precisely what to do with the evidence in that case?
Well there was a big push t paint Martin as a thug, while white washing Zimmerman's past. The facts though are that Zimmerman was the only one with a criminal record. One case involved an altercation with police. In addition the only way you know for sure he was getting beaten on by Martin, Is Zimmerman's story.
Right. Forensic evidence be damned.
Wasn't there a thread posted not too long ago citing a study that found a lot of forensic evidence is completely flawed? I think some namby-pamby liberal posted that, if I recall correctly.
It's my practice to try and keep dialogue civilized until the other party decides they don't need to do that.What I'll say is that I followed the Zimmerman case, I don't think much of the man, but in the end I concluded 2 things. 1)Trayvon martin assaulted Zimmerman.Had Zimmerman NOT fired I think it would have been next to impossible to not have found Martin guilty of assault.My review of what I saw as evidence presented told me that, told me that in fact reports on his injuries were minimized by the media.
2)I also thought had the jury come back with a verdict of manslaughter or misadventure, I wouldn't have been too upset about it. The prosecution had no business charging him with murder in the first place. On the other hand I thought Zimmerman should have served some time. He was guilty of Harrasment at the very least.Manslaughter at most.
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