NJ.com: What Owa Odighizuwa needs to do to earn playing time

Hopefully he absorbs a lot.

In comment 12285134 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Hopefully he absorbs a lot.

Disagree. He is athletic, smart and dedicated. I think he is a solid run stopper

in the "four aces" package pretty early.

get his shot at some point this season. He's strong enough, athletic enough and smart enough to make enough progress to earn some playing time.

70% BBI on Beckham this time last year

Don't see where the snaps are going to come from unless he surprises.

In comment 12285134 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Hopefully he absorbs a lot.

Agreed. Same thing with JPP's rookie year--too unpolished to actually contribu--hey, wait...

In comment 12285163 Headhunter said:

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70% BBI on Beckham this time last year

haha! I was definitely in that camp! Best crow I ever ate.

In comment 12285169 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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Don't see where the snaps are going to come from unless he surprises.

You mean those stalwarts Markus Kuhn, George Selvie, Robert Ayers are so outstanding they can't possibly surrender reps to someone superior athletically? That's kinda stupid but so are you

But Owa's answers and presence among the media is light years ahead of almost every kid coming out of college. His awareness of where he is and where he needs to be is very rare.

will probably force him onto the field earlier than the Giants would like. In fact, Ayers may start on the PUP, and Jenkins may not even make the team. Moore is also still recovering from a shoulder injury. I think he makes some noise this year, but agree 2016 should be when he really emerges. He needs to develop better pass rush moves and JPP will probably be gone.

That's what I saw on tape. When his hand usage comes correct, and he can stay healthy, we will have something very dangerous.

and his athleticism, I think he will have very opportunity to make an impact. That doesn't mean he necessarily starts. But, it is entirely up to him whether or not he gets significant snaps at both LDE and inside if we go "NASCAR" or "FOUR ACES". He also is athletic enough to get significant time on ST. That is why I love this draft on paper. Our first 2 picks are penciled in as starters from day 1 and our 3rd pick has the potential to be in a serious rotation at DE. How could you ask for much more?

Im not sure we will see him contributing until later in the season. Which I think would be a good thing if Moore, Ayers, Selvie, Wynn, and JPP are all performing well. Give him time to learn and make him earn snaps towards the end of the season if he really grasps everything and proves to be a difference maker.

He played in a 3-4 and often moved inside.

Working on pass rush moves never ends. JPP still has work to do there.

Odi will be ready to contribute week 1. Right now, he's our 2nd best DE. Nobody we have after JPP can handle the run like him. This will get him on the field early.

I'd bet on Odi as week 1 starter and one of the best rookies in the league next year.

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The Giants are banking on it. They see big thinks in his future. And you can see why.

Apparently he's going to be a very cerebral player.

He may not be ready to pass Moore, Ayers and/or Wynn on the depth chart Week 1. If he does in 2015, it's more likely to be at mid-season.

But y'know, the word on Coughlin is he goes by what he sees. Practice well and you will play. Practice badly and you won't. OO will get a full chance.

in their rookie seasons; as a key contributor on special teams and not much more.

I don't see him getting many reps at DE with JPP, Moore, Wynn, and Selvie ahead of him but his best fit maybe as an inside rusher during the "NASCAR" package given his size and strength.

common for a rookie defensive end to come in have much production right away.

Look at the numbers Strahan, Tuck, Osi, and JPP had their first seasons as Giants...

Quite frankly, Wynn should be the guy we should be excited for in 2015. That guy came in and straight out flashed against the run, rushing the passer, and making all sorts of plays on the field. He has raw size and skills. Imagine what he can do with another year of coaching/lifting/playing.

but given the fact that the Football gods like to strike down our players with unusual fierceness, OO might be tossed into the fire sooner rather than later.

Smart thing to have low expectations for rookies. Half of BBI were certain Odell Beckham's rookie season was going to be a eedshirt season. I have seen opinions saying Flowers won't start this season. Double O admittedly has aspects of his game that are not NFL ready, but I will go out on a limb and say he gets on the field some. I thought Amounted Moore had the pass rush skills to pass KIWI on the depth chart but that didn't happen. This guy is bigger and stronger and his strength is against the run, so he has that going for him. It all hinges on HOP and how effective he is at getting to the QB. If he can bring pressure that will lift the entire d line. I dont care who steps up across from him as long as somebody does. Im not ruling out the took, but i dont expect him to win the starting job. It would be insanely awesome if he earned it though.

Sorry

One thing I think people forget with Damontre is that he is still very young. He's younger than Vic Beasley, he's younger than Owa.

it's really great to hear that this kid "gets it" and is so aware of what he needs to work on...combine that with an obvious motor, hunger to be great and an excellent work ethic and the sky's the limit for Odi!

In comment 12285134 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Hopefully he absorbs a lot.

More pearls of wisdom from fekker...

LMAO...

In comment 12285251 81_Great_Dane said:

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He may not be ready to pass Moore, Ayers and/or Wynn on the depth chart Week 1. If he does in 2015, it's more likely to be at mid-season. But y'know, the word on Coughlin is he goes by what he sees. Practice well and you will play. Practice badly and you won't. OO will get a full chance.

But by the same token how many DE's are we going to carry? It's normally 5 isn't it with around 10 DL in total. JPP, Moore, Ayers, Selvie, Wynn, Stanton and Odighizuwa. If all remain fit, at least one and almost certainly two of them ain't making it which is fine. Selvie, Wynn and Stanton look the most at risk, although Ayers health is an issue

DT should be Hankins, Bromley, Ellis, Jenkins with biggest question mark probably on Jenkins. Looking at it you've got to think the likes of Taylor, Kuhn or Hamilton have a decent shot of being the fifth DT assuming they don't pick up a veteran on the waiver wire (though they may choose to go 9 DT in total or go 6 DE at an extreme push given that Wynn, Selvie and Ayers could do spot work at DT).

The point I'm trying to make if there's only 5 DE on the roster they'll all pretty much have to contribute early. Especially as the Giants like to use DE on special teams, so there's a decent chance that 5 will be active.

Let's look at some other DTs and DEs we've drafted in recent years.

JPP: 11 tackles and 0 sacks in his first 10 games. This isn't because he wasn't playing well. It's because he wasn't playing period. Eventually because he is as gifted as he is, he saw much more playing time in the final 6 games... but he still barely cracked the lineup initially.

Hankins: By most accounts a more polished and NFL-ready DL than Odighizuwa... he didn't even see the field at all until October 6, then played in a very limited role after that.

Damontre Moore: 11 tackles and 0 sacks as a rookie.

It isn't the Giants way to throw DLs right into the mix, and with a lineman who is admittedly raw as Odighizuwa is, why would it be any different with him?

I wanted him in the 2nd round and even though we got Collins who was expected to go earlier I really wasn't thrilled with passing on Odi. I don't think he will play much early on, unless there is a rash of injuries, but I expect him to make an impact during the second half of the season and hopefully in the playoffs as part of the new 4 ACES package.

I think he has a future with us.... I just think counting on him this year is shortsighted as a fan and a mistake as a coach.

actually he's a in a great spot. provided everyone stays healthy, they can pick the best situations for him to play in.

But, I'd prefer he play more outside than inside. Not unreasonable to suspect that sticking Tuck in the middle - against super-sized interior OL resulted in more wear and tear on his body.

I see ayers as the starter and Odi as the backup.wynn and selvie might not make the team.D.moore becomes 3 rd down rush specialist

Played the run well and he can chase the QB a little bit. Spent time in college as DT, so he's got some catching to do. But, I liked some of things he did last year.

In comment 12285188 Joey in VA said:

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In comment 12285169 Old Dirty Beckham said: Quote: Don't see where the snaps are going to come from unless he surprises. You mean those stalwarts Markus Kuhn, George Selvie, Robert Ayers are so outstanding they can't possibly surrender reps to someone superior athletically? That's kinda stupid but so are you

This has been a civil thread. Are you gonna blame this attack on your personal life too? Grow up Joey.

In comment 12285307 bigbluescot said:

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In comment 12285251 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: He may not be ready to pass Moore, Ayers and/or Wynn on the depth chart Week 1. If he does in 2015, it's more likely to be at mid-season. But y'know, the word on Coughlin is he goes by what he sees. Practice well and you will play. Practice badly and you won't. OO will get a full chance. But by the same token how many DE's are we going to carry? It's normally 5 isn't it with around 10 DL in total. JPP, Moore, Ayers, Selvie, Wynn, Stanton and Odighizuwa. If all remain fit, at least one and almost certainly two of them ain't making it which is fine. Selvie, Wynn and Stanton look the most at risk, although Ayers health is an issue DT should be Hankins, Bromley, Ellis, Jenkins with biggest question mark probably on Jenkins. Looking at it you've got to think the likes of Taylor, Kuhn or Hamilton have a decent shot of being the fifth DT assuming they don't pick up a veteran on the waiver wire (though they may choose to go 9 DT in total or go 6 DE at an extreme push given that Wynn, Selvie and Ayers could do spot work at DT). The point I'm trying to make if there's only 5 DE on the roster they'll all pretty much have to contribute early. Especially as the Giants like to use DE on special teams, so there's a decent chance that 5 will be active.

Absent injuries, I think Jenkins may well be cut. He is one of many veterans at risk of not being on the roster, including Hosley, Kuhn, Mosley, Herman, and Reynolds to name a few. Ayers may also start the season on the PUP.

Easy:

STAY HEALTHY

In comment 12285331 bc4life said:

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But, I'd prefer he play more outside than inside. Not unreasonable to suspect that sticking Tuck in the middle - against super-sized interior OL resulted in more wear and tear on his body.

Playing that trash OT for Dallas, who tripped him, hurt Justin Tuck. I forget his name, any help?

but that was not his only injury. Guys like Tuck, Odi - giving up 70 pounds to OGs, and getting pinned between them - can't be healthy.

Adams

hit the nail on the head. Add Linval as another example.

KWALL with homer post of the year.

In comment 12285310 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Let's look at some other DTs and DEs we've drafted in recent years. JPP: 11 tackles and 0 sacks in his first 10 games. This isn't because he wasn't playing well. It's because he wasn't playing period. Eventually because he is as gifted as he is, he saw much more playing time in the final 6 games... but he still barely cracked the lineup initially. Hankins: By most accounts a more polished and NFL-ready DL than Odighizuwa... he didn't even see the field at all until October 6, then played in a very limited role after that. Damontre Moore: 11 tackles and 0 sacks as a rookie. It isn't the Giants way to throw DLs right into the mix, and with a lineman who is admittedly raw as Odighizuwa is, why would it be any different with him?

Have you actually watched Odi play? Because he looks to be WAAAY more advanced, technique wise at least, than either JPP or Damontre Moore were coming out of college.

Hankins is an inside DT, not really comparable...

So have you watched game tape of Odi or are you blowing it out the arse like broken wind?

how people get mad at other people for opinionated matters. BlueLou getting testy with Mike. Chill out dude lol

make impacts as rookies in general, let alone guys picked in the third rd?

In comment 12285310 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Let's look at some other DTs and DEs we've drafted in recent years. JPP: 11 tackles and 0 sacks in his first 10 games. This isn't because he wasn't playing well. It's because he wasn't playing period. Eventually because he is as gifted as he is, he saw much more playing time in the final 6 games... but he still barely cracked the lineup initially. Hankins: By most accounts a more polished and NFL-ready DL than Odighizuwa... he didn't even see the field at all until October 6, then played in a very limited role after that. Damontre Moore: 11 tackles and 0 sacks as a rookie. It isn't the Giants way to throw DLs right into the mix, and with a lineman who is admittedly raw as Odighizuwa is, why would it be any different with him?

Have to disagree. He should see plenty of time.
1. He's athletically better. 2. The people in front of him aren't more than average at this point.

In comment 12285366 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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hit the nail on the head. Add Linval as another example. KWALL with homer post of the year.

How was KWALL's post a homer post? Would it really surprise you if Odi started week one? He is going against Moore, Ayers, Wynn, and Selvie. Ayers was our 2nd best DE last year but he is coming off an injury and might not be ready week one. Moore is still raw and makes a lot of mistakes so he has to earn the coaches confidence. Wynn was a very pleasant surprise but will he progress or has he hit his ceiling. Selvie is solid versus the run but doesn't offer much as a pass rusher and he isn't a lock to make the week one roster.

guys went down to give him a shot at PT, and Wynn was an unheralded UDFA with like half Odi's athleticism and not from a major DI school/conference.

So I'm saying he has a chance. (ODI)

Ayers may have been our best defensive player last year before getting hurt. Couple that with the examples Mike provided of other DL rookies it's highly unlikely. How many rd 3 DE start day 1?

Kwall said he expected Odi to be one of the best rookies in the league. I'm not knocking him or trying to start anything but that seems a bit optimistic, no?

I hope he's right though :)

And it's okay for a well-regarded prospect to not make an impact as a rookie.


Justin Tuck had 1 sack in 14 games as a rookie.

In comment 12285407 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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Ayers may have been our best defensive player last year before getting hurt. Couple that with the examples Mike provided of other DL rookies it's highly unlikely. How many rd 3 DE start day 1? Kwall said he expected Odi to be one of the best rookies in the league. I'm not knocking him or trying to start anything but that seems a bit optimistic, no? I hope he's right though :)

It's optimistic but it's not crazy. Every year we see rookies surprise who were drafted on day 3. Look at Barry Cofield. He started from day one as a rookie and was one of the best rookies on defense.

Fill in the whole on the strong side of the defensive line, Giants are hoping that someone will take the job full time. Lot's of playing time at that spot, now we just to wait and see if Odighizuwa can make the move from the weak side?

If it wasn't for his hip surgery he more than likely would have been a 1st round pick. Hell there were rumors a 4-6 weeks before the draft that he was in play for the Giants at #9. I am not saying Odi will be an impact player week one but I could easily see him contributing during the 2nd half of the season especially if injuries hit the DL hard. Remember that Odi can line up at DT also like Tuck did so I am sure Spags will take advantage of that.

In comment 12285423 chiefmps said:

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Fill in the whole on the strong side of the defensive line, Giants are hoping that someone will take the job full time. Lot's of playing time at that spot, now we just to wait and see if Odighizuwa can make the move from the weak side?

No move to make. He was all over at UCLA.

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In comment 12285134 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: Hopefully he absorbs a lot. More pearls of wisdom from fekker... LMAO...

Do you ever contribute or do you just go around from thread to thread trying to mock posters and concluding your witless barbs with the always brilliant and never juvenile "lol" or "lmao"?

In this case, based on history, Mike is likely to be right. Who was the last Giants DE who had a big impact as a rookie? TIA.

53 tackles, four sacks, two ints, two ffs.

In comment 12285446 Klaatu said:

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53 tackles, four sacks, two ints, two ffs.

a 1st round pick 9 years ago?

Look it can happen because we aren't deep, but predicting it is foolhardy.

I'm not saying you're predicting big things this season from Owa. That was a general comment.

Doesn't mean a damn thing.

Only 2 things to consider here

1. Talent of this player
2. Talent/depth at his position

If he went to another team with our lack of talent at DE id say the same thing and that is he will play early and produce at a high level.

Before Giants drafted him he was one of my favorite players in the draft. I thought of him as one of the top defensive players and worthy of a top 15 pick.

I don't think he's a project or needs time. First of all we can't give him time, because the other options(especially vs the run) that we have at DE are,at best, fringe-types.

His run D will get him on the field fast. It won't take long before it's clear as day that also is our best option to start across from JPP.

Can't wait for preseason to watch Odi kick ass.

he's exactly what the giants look for in DEs.

Still can't believe we got him in the fucking third. Him, JPP and Moore have the potential to remind us of DE groups of the past.

is that the situation then isn't the situation now. While I really like Ayers game, and still believe in Moore and am optimistic about Selvie, I think Owa has the highest ceiling of the four by far.

While being a big fan of Owa I don't believe he will be the nominal starter from game 1. I think he's going to inspire a hell of a competition at DE though. It will be nice to see Ayers and Selvie and Moore all bring their A-game to camp to try to outshine Owa. Oh yeah, and Wynn too. While Wynn is a talent, it's hard to see him getting a game-day jersey against this group, and that's IF he makes the final 53.

What I envision is that Spags will quickly have different packages or situational fronts, and by game 1 Owa will have earned a spot in at least one of them (most likely as a run-stopping defensive end).

There is a good chance that he gets some playing time inside in a NASCAR look during obvious passing situations. If he can get pressure early on from the outside he will increase his playing opportunities.

I don't like him for DROY awards, just because I think he's not as likely to compile the stats that get people talking. I do think hardcord Giants fans will make credible arguments about his being as valuable as any other defensive players, and KWALL2 (who is one of my favorite BBI posters) will be one of them.

Those are my predictions.

In comment 12285306 speedywheels said:

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In comment 12285134 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: Hopefully he absorbs a lot. More pearls of wisdom from fekker... LMAO...

Holy jeebus we agree on something. It's a new age speedy

and will have an opportunity to play his way into a bigger role by end of the year.

if the kid is working hard as expected, you play him as much as you can. You cannot guarantee that JPP will re-sign with the Giants. Another team with a lot of cap $ that must be spent could offer 13-15M per year and JPP is gone.

The only other DE on the team who could cause opponents trouble in 2016 is Moore. Moore is so far not very effective at stopping the run.

Not getting OO up and running against the trend to bring DE's around slowly would be a big mistake,IMO.

In comment 12285212 KWALL2 said:

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He played in a 3-4 and often moved inside. Working on pass rush moves never ends. JPP still has work to do there. Odi will be ready to contribute week 1. Right now, he's our 2nd best DE. Nobody we have after JPP can handle the run like him. This will get him on the field early. I'd bet on Odi as week 1 starter and one of the best rookies in the league next year.

I thought Kerry Wynn was very solid against the run, seems to definitely be a strength for him.

In comment 12286131 Johnny5 said:

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In comment 12285212 KWALL2 said: Quote: He played in a 3-4 and often moved inside. Working on pass rush moves never ends. JPP still has work to do there. Odi will be ready to contribute week 1. Right now, he's our 2nd best DE. Nobody we have after JPP can handle the run like him. This will get him on the field early. I'd bet on Odi as week 1 starter and one of the best rookies in the league next year. I thought Kerry Wynn was very solid against the run, seems to definitely be a strength for him.

yeah, Wynn looked good against the run. I definitely think the "depth" of this team, on defense and offense, is superior this year (on paper anyway) except for in the secondary. Just have to pray our moves (L. Collins) and development (Behre, Taylor) are solid. CB's must stay healthy.

I cannot recall having read 1 damn thing about him, other than "he elected NOT to have surgery."

I don't get warm fuzzy feelings about Giants who are not reported on, especially a guy who played as well as Ayers did last year...

But I fully expect that by next season he can become, at the very least, a smarter version of Demontre Moore. Perhaps slightly better against the run attacking from the back side.

He'll see the field. It's a myth that TC does not play rookies.

In comment 12285212 KWALL2 said:

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He played in a 3-4 and often moved inside. Working on pass rush moves never ends. JPP still has work to do there. Odi will be ready to contribute week 1. Right now, he's our 2nd best DE. Nobody we have after JPP can handle the run like him. This will get him on the field early. I'd bet on Odi as week 1 starter and one of the best rookies in the league next year.

I need a cold shower after reading this

Coughlin demands that folks who see the field know their assignments and don't mess up doing them, on a regular basis. Unless he has no choice, he doesn't tolerate missing on a regular basis just to get to the stellar plays. You better be damn good on your good plays for him to consider tolerating you for the bad plays.