NFT: Mets Minors 5/15/2015

might not hit the ball hard or far, butting he is more than I was led to believe he would be offensively. Will he hit as he moves up? I certainly can't say, but if he can hit .275, we are in for a treat defensively.

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Hasn't looked very good but yeah I suspect we see him in 2 weeks or so. I'm not expecting much. Velocity has fluctuated 90-95 and control hasn't been very good but who knows?

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In comment 12287958 speedywheels said: Quote: . Hasn't looked very good but yeah I suspect we see him in 2 weeks or so. I'm not expecting much. Velocity has fluctuated 90-95 and control hasn't been very good but who knows?

Been mostly low 90's, though has touched mid occasionally. Hate to say it, but a waste of a couple million dollars for less than a full season of an ehhh reliever at this point.

his velocity was not great at the beginning of 14' either if I recall. I wonder if the drop is related to the neck as much as it is the arm injury. I would hope that both he and black can return to form, but I don't think we can count on it, and with Mejia out until July, and not eligible for the post-season anyway. We desperately need a strong right handed set up man. I think the FO will wait till June-July to see how Parnell/Black/Goeddel/Robles hold up. Robles and Goeddel have loooked decent in small samples, but I would expect a trade at some point. We also need bench help. I have to hope that someone like niese or gee + some mid-level prospect can help us acquire a good RH reliever and a bench piece. SF has a few options that fit both of those categories. Maybe Niese+ for Romo and Aoki?

the fact that he came out and said that he won't request a trade, in my view, is a signal that the rockies intend to try to trade him, and that Tulo is trying to give the Rox as much leverage as possible - as he has a strong relationship with the owner. I wouldn't give up syndergaard or matz for him. But I might give up wheeler, so maybe a trade of plawecki, reynolds/flores and a PTBNL (Wheeler) could get it done. I like Wheeler, but he is way too much like a.j. burnett for my liking, and when he gets healthy, he'll probably always be a good, not great pitcher, he just lacks the command and probably will always lack the command to be anything more than a #3.

was that part of the suspension deal?

the suspension also stipulates that mejia will not be eligible for post-season play.

In comment 12288089 CMicks3110 said:

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the fact that he came out and said that he won't request a trade, in my view, is a signal that the rockies intend to try to trade him, and that Tulo is trying to give the Rox as much leverage as possible - as he has a strong relationship with the owner. I wouldn't give up syndergaard or matz for him. But I might give up wheeler, so maybe a trade of plawecki, reynolds/flores and a PTBNL (Wheeler) could get it done. I like Wheeler, but he is way too much like a.j. burnett for my liking, and when he gets healthy, he'll probably always be a good, not great pitcher, he just lacks the command and probably will always lack the command to be anything more than a #3.

Sandy has stated he is not interested. And rightly so.

I surely don't. He has no reason to say he's not interested. Hurt hurts any leverage he may have.

In comment 12288203 CMicks3110 said:

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I surely don't. He has no reason to say he's not interested. Hurt hurts any leverage he may have.

Well, here's hoping he's telling the truth.

Tulo. I'd love to add Chapman (fully knowing the price will be high). Chapman+ Familia would be awesome.

for a long time on this board. What do you think it would cost? He has 2 years to FA, Cinci is going nowhere. Can't imagine it would be over the top. What did Baltimore give Boston for Miller last year? Whatever that was, I think we'd have to give one more B to B+ level prospect for Chapman.

Also, DMM, given what Wilmer is, a player playing SS, who is more of a 3B, and given that he is on pace to hit around 25 HRs, shouldn't he have decent trade value? How many 3B hit 25 HRs and are 5-6 years away from Free Agency? Plus any team that moves him to 3B, will likely allow him to bulk up. He has the frame to add a lot of weight.

In comment 12288249 CMicks3110 said:

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for a long time on this board. What do you think it would cost? He has 2 years to FA, Cinci is going nowhere. Can't imagine it would be over the top. What did Baltimore give Boston for Miller last year? Whatever that was, I think we'd have to give one more B to B+ level prospect for Chapman. Also, DMM, given what Wilmer is, a player playing SS, who is more of a 3B, and given that he is on pace to hit around 25 HRs, shouldn't he have decent trade value? How many 3B hit 25 HRs and are 5-6 years away from Free Agency? Plus any team that moves him to 3B, will likely allow him to bulk up. He has the frame to add a lot of weight.

I don't think teams are yet sold on Wilmer Flores even offensively. The 5 homers are nice but he's been a league averageish offensive player and while he has a good arm it's erratic. I don't think he'd have a ton of trade value as of today. if he heats up that's a different story. On pace for only 23 walks in 139 games, only 19 doubles.

I'll admit, I saw him as nothing more than an Ollie Perez. But would love to see him added to the pen now.

We are a fifth into the season, those at that pace are a hot or cold streak from changing dramatically. Flores will have at least 30 doubles by year end, as an example of.

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I'll admit, I saw him as nothing more than an Ollie Perez. But would love to see him added to the pen now. We are a fifth into the season, those at that pace are a hot or cold streak from changing dramatically. Flores will have at least 30 doubles by year end, as an example of.

Just to be clear I wasn't knocking Flores, just just track record/lack thereof.

from Dave Camerona regarding Tulo's trade value. Pasted below is the Mets exerpt. The price is likely higher than we'd want to pay.

"New York Mets

As I said on Tuesday, the Mets are the best fit. They have the pitching depth that the Rockies want and the motivation to make a deal that makes them a legitimate Wild Card contender, rather than just hoping their hot start doesn’t get wiped out too quickly. If the Mets packaged Noah Syndergaard (#19), Amed Rosario (#60), and Steven Matz (#65) together, they’d very likely have their shortstop of the present and the future. Maybe the Rockies even settle for Thor and one of those two, plus some additional stuff. Or maybe they even package up enough of their lower-tier talents with Matz and Rosario to keep Syndergaard out of the deal, arguing that his early 2015 performance puts him in that top tier of guys that aren’t worth giving up. There are plenty of options here, and the Mets have enough depth of young talent to get Tulowitzki if they want him.

Right now, everyone is playing coy and downplaying their interest, but at some point in the next month or so, the best shortstop in baseball is going to become available. These are the kinds of offers I’d expect Colorado to receive when they finally do put him on the market."
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career 1.93 FIP wowzas

Tulo is a great player, no doubt, but he's owed a ton of money, often injured and on the wrong side of 30.

Thor, Matz and Rosario for Tulo is insanity unless the Rockies were eating MASSIVE money. Makes no sense #mets

he does back down from the initial offer. I think something like Matz + Rosario + (one of) Flores/Reynolds would be the most I'd be willing to do unless the Rockies ate major money.

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he does back down from the initial offer. I think something like Matz + Rosario + (one of) Flores/Reynolds would be the most I'd be willing to do unless the Rockies ate major money.

I'd do Matz, Rosario and Flores for Tulo.

rather trade for Bogaerts at this point than Tulo.

Or even Castro than Tulo.


you have a young core of starting pitchers, and an ancient OF (except Lagares) and aging "star" with Wright.

Why add a broken down Tulo to that for some of your prime youth?

No way, and I think Sandy is smarter than that too.

Build for the long term.

guy I would LOVE (even at a big price) would be Gomez. I wonder what Gomez + K-Rod would cost?

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In comment 12288382 Gary from The East End said:

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Tulo is a great player, no doubt, but he's owed a ton of money, often injured and on the wrong side of 30.

I think there's a lot of doubt. Coors Field inflates his numbers significantly.

In comment 12288434 DanMetroMan said:

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Dilson Herrera tore a fingernail, nicked by a hit ball pregame. Tejada back in there at 2B #Mets

Seriously? How many more freak injuries can this team have? Yikes...

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In comment 12288434 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Dilson Herrera tore a fingernail, nicked by a hit ball pregame. Tejada back in there at 2B #Mets Seriously? How many more freak injuries can this team have? Yikes...

Also, Torres was hit by a meteorite. Both of them.

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guy I would LOVE (even at a big price) would be Gomez. I wonder what Gomez + K-Rod would cost?

Gomez would be the perfect player for this team to take the next step. Guessing it would cost Matz or Thor unfortunately.

or matz I'd want bogaerts or mookie betts or someone of that ilk.

I'd have either of them lead off for the Mets.

Mets offense is sadly station to station lacking both power and speed. They really could use an athletic upgrade

so Gomez is a non-starter. Maybe you can get him for a package of slightly lesser top 100 types like Herrera, Montero, Nimmo? Or something like that. I think I'd do that but that's probably not enough. And you have to dump one of the veterans somewhere.

In comment 12288501 DanMetroMan said:

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Mets offense is sadly station to station lacking both power and speed. They really could use an athletic upgrade

Completely agree. Even if it's a 4th OF'er, they need a spark plug. As much as we used to shit on EYJ (rightfully so) it was undeniable how directly he could get the offense going without ever even seeming to get a hit.

I don't even know how Duda misplayed that throw.

man, this team just sucks major balls right now.

effort by the Mets so far. Embarrassing in fact

Nobody is hitting, and now two games in a row where starting pitching is awful...

out there holy fuck

things are turning very very south, very very quickly.

Flores shitty play AGAIN. Pitchers can't trust the defense.

the way this offense is playing. heck it was out of reach down 3 - 0.

down 5 - 0 the Brewers can rest their starters.

Back to being a joke as usual.

where other teams seem to have no problem hitting HRs at Citi

I was going to go to a game this weekend but with what they are putting on display has changed my mind.
The meager display of offense and garbage defense cant offset the pitching gems we had been getting.

the ball doesn't move how he needs it to. I don't blame Flores for the throw tonight, that one is on Duda I think. The problem is with having shitty defense everywhere you look if you're a team built on pitching. Duda, Flores, Murphy, Granderson, Cuddyer are inarguably below average defensive players. With less offense in the game defense is not underrated at all, it's more important than ever. As good as Lagares is he can't hide everyone.

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Back to being a joke as usual.

Look at the lineup tonight. Its basically the same team

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In comment 12288554 arcarsenal said:

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Back to being a joke as usual.

Way to do 180 in less than 2 months.

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broken finger

LOL. Of COURSE he breaks his finger.

One injury after another....

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In comment 12288554 arcarsenal said: Quote: Back to being a joke as usual. Way to do 180 in less than 2 months.

Way to miss the sarcasm.

Any news from the Flying Puck?

A blowout game, and he has Alex Torres pitch not one but TWO innings...

Oy vey.

Hasn't Reynolds been struggling recently in LV? I'd say call him up to take Herrera's spot.

I really can't stomach more Ruben Tejada.

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In comment 12288586 Giants2012 said: Quote: In comment 12288554 arcarsenal said: Quote: Back to being a joke as usual. Way to do 180 in less than 2 months. Way to miss the sarcasm. Any news from the Flying Puck?

Yeah, they claim you're a hypocrite in addition to being a whiny Crosby lol

No worries, you're a natural like Flores

Where is the talkative Sandy Alderson?????? 90 win frame of mind, playoffs, etc. etc. during the offseason and spring training.

Maybe the "Maverick" could open his mouth now, demonstrate some leadership and come out from hiding.

Will be complete the trifecta of stupid and pitch Familia, too?

. Of course they'll probably just bring up Campbell.

is coming up

and his 7 ERA. unreal. 8ip and 8ks.

been a great hitter his whole career. Comes here and hes swinging at pitches that are thrown off the plate in the other batters box.

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been a great hitter his whole career. Comes here and hes swinging at pitches that are thrown off the plate in the other batters box.

so was Jason Bay, it's weird, they (Cuddyer, Bay, and others) cannot be counted on to be "the guy". Mets need a "the guy" on offense. Maybe it's Wright, but he's so fragile at this point I doubt it.

Beltran and Delgado - that's the kind of bold move Sandy needs to make only it would need to be via trade. those were two FA signings that mostly worked out.

are skyrocketing back to 500 ball.

Unbelievable.

a way to get Altuve from Houston.

he's good.

I guarantee that guy would come here and a) not be able to stay healthy and b) turn into an average at best hitter that we owe big money to. I would be a disaster.

I know that conversation is picking back up because the Rockies have been so bad and the Mets are bottoming out here and it just seems like it makes sense but I think it would be a huge mistake. Can anyone see that working out for us? You just know it would turn bad.

Gomez would be a much more attractive guy to go after because he's so good defensively that even if his power dipped a little, he'd still have value (and he can steal bases)

Hard to believe he's already 29 but that's definitely a guy I'd go after.

Problem is.. then what the hell do you do with Granderson or Cuddyer? No one is going to take Granderson off our hands.

forget tulo, I wouldn't get either.

if you're giving up Thor or Matz (plus Flores or Murphy) you get someone young and good.


I'd offer Thor, Ynoa, Flores, and d'Arnaud to the Red Sox for Bogaerts, swihart and Rusney Castillo.

but Granderson may be impossible unless it's taking on a worse contract. This every day lineup is getting close to unwatchable but I agree that Tulo is not the answer right now.

If cuddly and Grandy aren't giving you enough production - the biggest mistake the front office can make again would be inaction because of their contracts. Making baseball decisions purely based on contracts is foolish. You can work around and move around money. You cannot work around a lack of talent.

But Nelson Cruz has been ridiculous this year and he was last year too. I never understood why people were so against signing him. The guy is hitting .361 and has 15 HR's already.. and SAFECO is NOT a small park.

In comment 12288663 pjcas18 said:

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forget tulo, I wouldn't get either. if you're giving up Thor or Matz (plus Flores or Murphy) you get someone young and good. I'd offer Thor, Ynoa, Flores, and d'Arnaud to the Red Sox for Bogaerts, swihart and Rusney Castillo.

The Sox really like their kids. Castillo was given over $70 million and we know he was sent to the minors b/c they had no spot for him.

Bogaerts is likely staying until Moncada arrvies and the love Betts.

A one for one maybe but doubt they're moving several pieces foe several pieces. I thought GBSP Niese was perfect yet an 88 MPH #1 is pretty worthless.

I think we're screwed for this year.

In comment 12288679 arcarsenal said:

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But Nelson Cruz has been ridiculous this year and he was last year too. I never understood why people were so against signing him. The guy is hitting .361 and has 15 HR's already.. and SAFECO is NOT a small park.

No shit. And it was very adamant, like it was a horrible idea.

Cuddyer has played 1st base in the past

Maybe an American League team gets an injury or really needs a DH and Duda brings back a ransom later this season.

Few choices so maybe a few out of the box ideas is worth discussing.

looking good. 3 k's through 2 but did let up one hit which was a solo homerun (first homer he's given up this year)

This team is fucked

They are a young team still filling in the pieces. They are not going to trade their young 1st baseman and create yet another.

not in a huge cold streak right now?

And for that matter is there anyone having even an average season with the bat?

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not in a huge cold streak right now? And for that matter is there anyone having even an average season with the bat?

No and no.

They will have DW and TDA back, Cuddyer will have broken out of his slump and things won't look near as bleak as they do today.

Baseball season is a marathon not a sprint and there are ups and downs. Just like they weren't going to stay at the same pace when they stared out with the best record in the game they won't remain losing like they are now.

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They are a young team still filling in the pieces. They are not going to trade their young 1st baseman and create yet another.

Well, of Cuddyer is the stop gap in LF maybe he can be the stop gap at 1st. Could Duda and maybe a pitcher return a solid SS and future 1st base prospect?

Gotta think a little different than the current b/c nothing is happening nor will it happen in 2016 with these two corner outfielders

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He'll be 30 next season.

I wouldn't trade him, but I wouldn't make him some untouchable piece of the team either.

through 4 innings now with 6k's. Still just that one hit. He's been sitting around 93-94mph, filthy curve and a changeup he's been able to locate.

I know there's not much room on our ML rotation, but it really seems like we're just wasting innings from him in AAA

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He'll be 30 next season. I wouldn't trade him, but I wouldn't make him some untouchable piece of the team either.

+1

The problem with the Mets and many of their fan is they only want to trade off what others don't want and always over hype what they want to trade. If Duda brought back a kid who can start at SS next year and a LF or 1st baseman it's not crazy. Hoping Niese and spare parts brings back a Cubs SS is crazy.

probably nobody truly is other than Harvey. However I can't believe anyone really thinks that moving Cuddyer to first base and trading Duda is the best plan at this point. He is young in baseball terms. He has no wear and tear, his game does not rely on his speed. He is young in the sense he is one piece that can hopefully an important part of the team moving forward so not any real benefit trading him and simply create another need.

Typical Mets fans emotion


NOBODY said it was thr best idea. I said maybe we can think out of the box. If the return for Duda is (forget it, not typing it again).

The whole point of thinking out of the box is usually to come up with a great idea that wouldn't be automatically considered otherwise. I don't follow your logic at all if you agree is probably isn't the best way to move forward.

I am the one who is staying level headed about the current losing streak and not being emotional and getting too caught up in the feast and famine aspects of a 162 game season.

Status quo wins then. Here is your team. Enjoy staying in the box. Thank goodness the Mets kept David Wright for years b/c losing him would have created just another hole. Let's keep them all, keep losing and hoping.

Here is your team.

Looks like the Nats are basically all the way back to first in no time. Unreal

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6 innings 8 k's 1 hit 1 walk

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Just stay away from Tulo unless its a salary dump

Bring back a nice reliever. I'm ready for the Matz/Thor show. The bats will come around eventually! I'm in the city boys. Rangers game today! Mets tomorrow! LGR/LGM!

He's hit more than 30 HRs once. He's hit more than 100 RBIs once. He's is a career .278 hitter. He strikes out and doesn't get walks. He's been significantly injured two of the past 3 years.

Apart from one outlier year (2013), he is playing to his career average. The guy is Kevin freakin McReynolds, except old and broken down.

Not sure if you guys mentioned it.(knee). The injuries have really been unbelievable this year. It's sad.

I'd rather have Ruben Tejada at this point.

7 2/3 2 runs 3 hits 2BB 9 k 100 pitches

Wasting time in AAA

call up Reynolds.. DL Herrera

and called up Campbell

and the last run he let up were on a bunt single and infield chopper to short. That bunt single broke up the streak of 15 straight set down by him.

Anyway what is our injured/steroids list so far this season?

Wheeler
Gee
Edgin
Parnell
Black
Meija
Wright
Herrera
D'arnaud

And our players who have actually stayed healthy but which have sucked

Cuddyer
Murphy
Mayberry
Kirk



And our players who have actually stayed healthy but have been only ooookay

Granderson
Lagarez
Duda
Flores
Tejada
Recker

And our players who have actually stayed healthy and have been good

All the Starting Pitchers
Familia



There's a problem here. Are we technically the worst first place of all time? As far as individual performances of players on the team

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7 2/3 2 runs 3 hits 2BB 9 k 100 pitches Wasting time in AAA

LOL, ready for what? To lose 1-0 games on the MLB roster? No thanks. Keep him in the minors until the mets have a MLB offense.

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And our players who have actually stayed healthy but have been only ooookay Granderson Lagarez Duda Flores Tejada Recker

Granderson has NOT been okay. He has sucked. The only thing he's done well is taking walks. Except, he's our lead off hitter and can't even steal a base, so the walks are essentially a waste. He's one of our premier power hitters and he has 3 HRs (two of which came in Yankee Stadium and CBP...two extremely HR friendly parks).

Tejada has been okay??? Seriously? Come on dude. I don't even know how to respond to that garbage.

Recker? Really? The guy has had 21 ABs so far this season and had one awesome game that we lost anyway.

So that leave's you with Duda, Lagares and Flores...who are all vastly underperforming. Duda has downright sucked for a while now since his hot start.

They are not this bad, but they have a shitty approach and they need to be more aggressive. I'm so tired of watching these batters take a first pitch meatball down the plate and then swing at a garbage slider two feet off the plate. They do it ALL THE DAMN TIME. Fortune favors the bold, fellas. When the Nats were coming out of their funk when they played the Mets, they were attacking the shit out of our pitchers often and early. Something needs to change.

DW and TdA aren't going to "save" the offense. There's no guarantee that they will pick up where they left off. Hell, there's no guarantee that they wouldn't suck right now also.

so he can lose 1-0 games

The Mets are 2nd to last in the NL in swinging at the first pitch, bottom 5 in stolen bases, and has a manager that is openly against the hit and run.

The Met's need to take risks and create offense. Unfortunately, their manager doesn't take risks or create anything. Waiting for them to "just come out of it" is an awful strategy.

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so he can lose 1-0 games

Brilliant.

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so he can lose 1-0 games

The Mets have one of the best pitching staffs in the league and the worst offense. We just brought up Thor. And you are still obsessed with Matz. Bringing him up right now does nothing for anybody. Bring up a bat.

I agree with you and think Grandy has sucked. My 'ooookay' section should have been called 'sucked but not as sucky as the people in the prior sucked group'

The whole "But Granderson is walking" idea reminds of the Rick Nash "But hes backchecking" argument. It's fine and all but its not what were paying him for. He needs to hit homeruns.

What's sad is I truely believe that if the Yankees, or Cardinals any other team almost today acquired Granderson or Duda, they would all of a sudden start smashing homeruns. its a Mets thing.

until I realized you live for when the Mets lose. You probably live miserable lives and your default mode is bitch and moan about everything in life. You fool yourselves by saying you are realists and call it the way it is, but the reality is whining is your comfort zones. Just remember that I'm not crying with you I am laughing at you. Knock yourselves out telling me how fucked up I am and how you get it and I don't

What a hypocrite. You described yourself

if the bottom of our worst loosing streaks is still a few games over .500 at some point the pendulum will swing the other way back towards the 10 game over mark. Dreams of playing with the Nats are probably dead unless Wright comes back like an MVP candidate, but most expected that. Though, if the slide goes under .500 I think Terry will not be very comfortable.

IMO what will improve this offense long term are a couple of things. They need to 1) get more athletic and 2) get better hitters. The athleticism should come from the transition of young players replacing some of the current crop of unathletic placeholders taking up half the lineup - Murphy, Cuddyer, Granderson, Flores. That should also obviously improve the defense. The 2nd part is the hard part. This team has been far to happy to settle for guys who check the lowest criteria of "passable" for what they need, like Cuddyer/Granderson as mid-order guys. Wil Myers has been traded twice the past few seasons, J. Upton too. Ellsbury, Cano, Cruz, and HRam were all impact bats who changed teams for nothing but cash. Need to start making some bigger moves if this lineup is ever going to get up to contender level while the pitchers are still cheap. The clock is ticking on that and waiting for Wright is the answer.

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until I realized you live for when the Mets lose. You probably live miserable lives and your default mode is bitch and moan about everything in life. You fool yourselves by saying you are realists and call it the way it is, but the reality is whining is your comfort zones. Just remember that I'm not crying with you I am laughing at you. Knock yourselves out telling me how fucked up I am and how you get it and I don't

Once you realize that nobody really cares what the hell you think, life will be easier for you old man. Fans live and die with their teams...that means they cheer when they are good and bitch when they suck. Sorry you don't have the mental capacity to understand that.

You like to think you are level headed with this stuff when you are just a fucking liar. You are one of the most fucked up, irrational, psychotic losers in this place. I've seen enough posts from you wishing people dead, or shot in the face, or whatever messed up crap goes through your head at times...to know that there is just not something right with you. You are a joke and people just tolerate you. So, enjoy the view from your high horse.

it was supposed to say "the bats will eventually wake, it's just a losing streak"

If that 11 game win streak never happened and the Mets had just played slightly above .500 baseball and the standings looked exactly as they do right now, the perception would probably be totally different.

I think the super hot start created somewhat unrealistic expectations. Baseball teams and players always find ways to "correct" themselves or revert to the mean. That's basically what's going on here even though it's extremely frustrating.

Most teams swing back and forth between a relatively small range all year. Last year it was like 10 games under and 5 games under for almost the entire season. I will be extremely pleased if we can stay on the 5-10 over .500 side this year. What's more frustrating than the record is that the team can pitch with anyone in the league, including the Nats, and they're wasting it with a bottom barrel payroll.

It's very frustrating. It seems like we just can't put a lineup out there that generates runs at an above average clip no matter what we do. We sign guys who were good hitters before they got here and they just completely stop hitting, then they go somewhere else and start again.. and then guys who have been here either get hurt or don't perform up to par.

I wish I knew why it happened. I don't believe there's something about the Mets specifically that just saps hitters of their ability or any of that hocus pocus BS but it does seem to happen to us way more than I see it happen elsewhere.

Oy..

exactly overpowering teams during their 11 game win streak like the Nats have been doing for a while now. We had just enough hitters to do well, a bunch of clutch hits, and took advantage of errors at the beginning of the season when teams aren't in full stride yet.

This team is much closer to the one we've been seeing than it is to the team that won 11 straight. That's the problem. The massive amount of injuries don't help but that doesn't excuse the entire offense going into the shitter.

An 85ish win team. They weren't as good as they were in April and they're not as bad as they are right now. That's really all it is.

Like I said, if this shitty losing streak never happened and the big win streak at the beginning didn't happen, the perceptions would probably be a lot different. If we had just been winning 3 and losing 2 every 5 games or whatever, we'd just say "well, this is what we expected this year"

In comment 12288913 arcarsenal said:

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It's very frustrating. It seems like we just can't put a lineup out there that generates runs at an above average clip no matter what we do. We sign guys who were good hitters before they got here and they just completely stop hitting, then they go somewhere else and start again.. and then guys who have been here either get hurt or don't perform up to par. I wish I knew why it happened. I don't believe there's something about the Mets specifically that just saps hitters of their ability or any of that hocus pocus BS but it does seem to happen to us way more than I see it happen elsewhere. Oy..

I don't know, I think sometimes we talk ourselves into the best case scenarios. Last season we all said "they can't just add Cuddyer" but then we all bought in during ST. I think even ZG agreed with that last year. Cuddyer's a perfectly professional hitter, but he's just never been a 100 rbi guy (1x in 10+ years) and he's definitely not in COL anymore. I still wouldn't be shocked to see him put up 15/80, but it's clear he's not a top RH hitter. This team needs to add a true top talent, in their prime, just as they did when they added Piazza or Beltran. Throwing good money at role players alone just isn't working.

I knew that was going to be our offseason and wasn't thrilled about it. I definitely did not expect him to hit .300 here and be a 25 HR guy.. but I did expect better than what he's given us so far.

I'm not really sure why I bother at this point though. Beltran was probably our last truly A+ FA signing. Feels like almost every guy we've signed since has been a fucking bomb or a disappointment.

I think some fans expected them to be strong contenders already this season.

I do expect for them to improve this season but I more view this season to where they will get some of the young arms up and pitching at the major league level and where they will also find out some answers to what they have in some of their young players (Flores, etc.) in order to better plan how to move from here.

For those fans old enough I would put this season possibly comparable to 1984. In 83 just as last season while the records weren't good you could begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel and things to begin to get excited about after a long period of losing. In 84 they started to win but didn't have all the pieces or experience to take it to the next level and win it all, it would take two more seasons for that to happen.

As frustrating as some of these losses are I still enjoy it because we are getting to witness what I feel is the early beginnings of a new chapter for the Mets. Getting to watch that unfold is what should be a lot of fun for diehard fans. Those types of transitions don't happen very often so appreciate getting to watch it all.

with his knee injury

activities. not expected back until June.

It was a great three weeks while it lasted.

Looking forward to 2016.



just kidding, sort of.

In comment 12288954 steve in ky said:

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For those fans old enough I would put this season possibly comparable to 1984. In 83 just as last season while the records weren't good you could begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel and things to begin to get excited about after a long period of losing. In 84 they started to win but didn't have all the pieces or experience to take it to the next level and win it all, it would take two more seasons for that to happen. As frustrating as some of these losses are I still enjoy it because we are getting to witness what I feel is the early beginnings of a new chapter for the Mets. Getting to watch that unfold is what should be a lot of fun for diehard fans. Those types of transitions don't happen very often so appreciate getting to watch it all.

Besides the pitching staff and prospects, nothing indicates they are building the '86 Mets though.

The 80's Mets signed Hernandez followed by Carter with bats already in place. This team will still be introducing Conforto/Nimmo in two years with Wright older than dirt and Duda will be in the 32/33 range.

Waiting and waiting for kids to develop, tying up old veterans as starters and holding onto Wright is maintaining a team which always has many holes.

And fortunately there are now five postseason spots

in style or types of players but just the time it takes to transition from a long period of losing into a winning team. I think some fans expect it to happen quicker than it often does.

I don't know if Sandy will end up being successful or not but I am willing to enjoy watching it unfold these next couple of seasons.

86 was a tremendous team I doubt they easily duplicate that style and talent anytime soon.

the progression from 84 on was visible while this team appears to have glaring holes now and going forward.

The 80's Mets would go out and sign a Hernandez and Carter. They would part ways with a George Foster if he was disruptive. They would move trade for a Frank Viola. Move Backman out, etc.

This era signs terrible vets (Grandy, Cuddyer, Mayberry, Young, etc and won't part ways with anything. Why the F is Murphy, Gee or Niese still here?

Not to mention, ownership never talked about playoffs in 84 whereas this circus of insults has mentioned a "90 win frame of mind" how fans should be "true New Yorkers" and the cockadoodle SNY commercials this spring which featured Mets players all talking playoffs.

IMO, outside of pitchers, this is nothing like the 80's and I'm not sure what the Mets are building. Around the Diamond it looks like Flushing with a new Citi Field the pitchers mound while the surrounding area is the rest of Flushing waiting to be developed.

I see improvements from a couple of seasons ago and can see potential for them to be contenders in another two or three season, where it sounds like you don't.

In comment 12288891 Headhunter said:

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until I realized you live for when the Mets lose. You probably live miserable lives and your default mode is bitch and moan about everything in life. You fool yourselves by saying you are realists and call it the way it is, but the reality is whining is your comfort zones. Just remember that I'm not crying with you I am laughing at you. Knock yourselves out telling me how fucked up I am and how you get it and I don't

You are a fucking douchenozzle of epic proportions. The mets SUCK dude, get it through your thick fucking skull. Maybe you should try hunting a head that has a fucking brain in it. Fucking dumb motherfucker.

would NOT win 90 games and some of you guys flamed me to hell for that but i'm sticking to it and i don't give a shit how much i get flamed. I know we're only in may but before you know it it'll be july, then the beginning of september and this team will be about 10 games out of first playing meaningless baseball again. All you stat freaks can give all the bullshit stats you want, the most damning stat i heard this morning is the mets are hitting fucking .230 as a team. I dont give a shit how many gems harvey and colon pitch, if the team can't hit the ball then you can't score runs and if you can't score runs you lose. It's that simple.

In comment 12289000 steve in ky said:

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I see improvements from a couple of seasons ago and can see potential for them to be contenders in another two or three season, where it sounds like you don't.

In two or three seasons anybody could make a case. Is this a eight year plan for SA? Good lord, it NY not some backwards town from the Middle East.

but now the team is drawing somewhat respectably (up 10% from last year and right on the border of the top 10 vs. 21st last year). Now is the time to make an additional investment if it's for the right player (not Tulo). Gomez would really be a very good fit for example. Hell, I might even be interested in Braun for the right deal (Granderson would have to be going the other way). And if they punt on making an addition in season, next offseason better not be another offseason where they don't even call the top guys.

In comment 12289134 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12289000 steve in ky said: Quote: I see improvements from a couple of seasons ago and can see potential for them to be contenders in another two or three season, where it sounds like you don't. In two or three seasons anybody could make a case. Is this a eight year plan for SA? Good lord, it NY not some backwards town from the Middle East.

Well that was my entire point. I was comparing how long it still actually took to win in 86 from the 83 and 84 seasons once the process turned for the better back then and how I see similarities of that possibility now.

Not sure how old you were or how involved as a fan you were in the early 80's but I was going to a lot of games and watching them all during that time. And in 83 similar to last season while the records weren't good there were many good signs of possibilities to come. In 84 the team didn't have much if any of a better record than these 2015 Mets 36 games into the season but improved to 90 wins, their first winning season in years. It still took two more before they would win a championship.

My only point is that yes even when we first see the signs of a team turning a corner it can take three or four more seasons for it to come together and watching that process take place is a lot of fun for a fan to be part of even taking into account the ups and downs that go along with it.

Who knows if they end up pulling it off and put together the remaining pieces to get there but I am going to enjoy watching them try.

Maybe you don't enjoy the process as much as I do and only more enjoy a more finished result and that's fine as well. I am just pointing out to anyone who may enjoy it that it may be currently happening. I remember in 83 very few fans thought it was taking place either.

Followed them very closely in the 80's.

Apparently, you love the monotony and enjoy whatever process you believe this is. A tree can grow from a seed too and i'm sure there are some sitting in rocking chairs watching and waiting year after year with no sense of urgency. Someday it will grow and so will Grandchildren. Too bad this is an entertainment business and as other teams can win, tear down, rebuild and win again, this organization just crawls along. You certainly found a team for your speed process with two speeds; slow and stop.

and adding an insulting slant.

Nowhere did I say I love monotony or wish for turn arounds to be slow. I enjoy baseball and watching the Mets. Of course I would prefer they always win but obviously that doesn't happen. I can still enjoy watching them try to rebuild a winning team but it sounds like you are saying that you can't.

I don't even know why you are arguing. How it there a right or wrong way to enjoy watching and being a fan of a team? You want to hate them right now and complain about most players on the team have it I just can't relate to it. I enjoy rooting for the Mets and these are this seasons current Mets.

Just for fun I looked up what their record was in 84 after 36 games into the season as we currently are. Oddly enough they were 20-16 exactly where they are now. maybe that is a good omen (grin)

Sounds like a two way street.

This process is a disgrace when compared to other process'

The process has taken so long that Wright is old
The process will continue though Grandy and Cuddyer until Duda is older
The process will continue as Conforto and Nimmo get promoted
The prcess will continue as the pitchers are lost due to compensation
and the process continues.

Love the process.

Meanwhile, progress is minimal and sustainability is not even on the map.

this crap from SA who goes to three straight winter meetings looking for a SS and comes back with bs (we have options, blah blah blah) followed by a "90 win frame of mind" etc. after wasting precious dollars on old corner outfielders.

The whole episode has felt just a smidge anti-climactic, hasn’t it?
Sure, there’s buzz surrounding Noah Syndergaard’s Citi Field debut Sunday against the Brewers, but there would have been more excitement a year ago at this juncture. And the excitement level arguably would be higher right now if the Mets had called upon Steven Matz, rather than Syndergaard, to replace the injured Dillon Gee in the team’s starting rotation.
So consider this column a public service to Mets fans: The baseball industry, based on a survey conducted by The Post, still believes in Syndergaard’s ceiling. A slowed-down fast track, the fact Syndergaard spent all of last season with Triple-A Las Vegas without earning a promotion to the big leagues, did little to curb talent evaluators’ enthusiasm about the towering right-hander — even as Matz surged onto the radar.
In the days following Syndergaard’s major league debut Tuesday, a loss to the Cubs at Wrigley Field, The Post asked 10 talent evaluators from 10 different teams (none of them the Mets) this question: If you could choose between Syndergaard and Matz, bet on one pitcher’s long-term future over the other’s, whom would you take?
Eight selected Syndergaard. Two went with Matz.
“I think he has better stuff, is more physical, and has had less injury history,” one talent evaluator from a National League team said about Syndergaard, on the condition of anonymity. “I like Matz a lot. I just think Syndergaard is the better bet.”
This assessment included a couple of themes that recurred: 1) Nearly everyone surveyed viewed this as a no-lose proposition; and 2) Most who sided with Syndergaard cited his robustness and lack of interaction with noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews and his brethren. As much as the Mets like to spin the notion that assets such as Matt Harvey and Zack Wheeler will be better off after submitting to Tommy John surgery — the Stony Brook native Matz, too, is a member of the TJ Club — there’s still a great deal to be said for the guy with a clean medial record.
“I will take the guy with no injury history long-term,” an official from an American League team said.
“Noah has never been injured,” another AL club’s executive opined.
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A scout from an AL club cited Syndergaard’s secondary stuff as a tiebreaker, although he stressed he wanted to make sure Syndergaard maintained the confidence to throw his curveball and changeup sufficiently. According to Fangraphs, Syndergaard threw his fastball 65.7 percent of the time against the Cubs. As points of comparison, Matt Harvey has gone with his fastball 60.4 percent of the time and Jacob deGrom 63.2 percent.
An NL scout noted the duo’s age difference: Syndergaard won’t turn 23 until August, while Matz turns 24 later this month. The same scout said he nevertheless might have gone with Matz if not for Syndergaard’s brilliant closing run (for now) with Las Vegas — during which he permitted just two runs in 22 innings, walking two and striking out 27, over his last three starts.
Syndergaard, the scout said, can be “another Harvey.”
No one spoke poorly of Matz, however.
“Both are potential stars,” said one AL official.
“Both guys are studs,” said another AL executive.
“It’s a good choice to have,” one decision-maker from an NL club said.
Two from the surveyed group chose Matz, who is pitching for Vegas. One, a scout from an NL team, cited Matz’s meteoric rise back into the baseball consciousness last year with Class-A St. Lucie and Double-A Binghamton, during which he compiled a 2.24 ERA in 140 ²/₃ combined innings pitched.
“He could’ve been a September call-up last year, and he would’ve fit in just fine,” said the scout, who also said Matz’s left-handedness gave him an edge.
The other Matz advocate graded the Mets’ 2009 second-round pick “slightly ahead” of Syndergaard.
Being a lefty “doesn’t hurt,” said the evaluator, who works for an AL team, “but we see more of a starter profile with his feel and delivery. He does it easier [than Syndergaard].”
Syndergaard, the official added, could wind up best suited as a back-of-the-bullpen option.
It’s a fun subject, and the question represents the Mets’ embarrassment of riches in the pitching department.
The answers represent the enthusiasm that still envelops Syndergaard, even if he’s no longer the Flavor of the Month in Flushing. On Sunday, the locals will get their first shot to see, in person, what the industry believes is a very special pitcher.
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nice defense

nice to see

- Wilmahhhhhh

with the grand slam, just what that kid needed

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It wasn't Cliff Lee, but hopefully acceptable to TC...

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let's hope this gets everyone out of the funk.

And it all started with a clutch RBI from degrom

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Shake the cobwebs out.
Now come on Noah 2 in a row tomorrow

Vic Black and Bobby Parnell all pitched for STL tonight.

Gee pitched really well, the other two just pitched.