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NFT: Report: Thibs "out" in Chicago

DanMetroMan : 5/15/2015 10:57 am
Report: Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau is 'gone'
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He probably wont be fired yet  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 11:00 am : link
Rumor has it that the Magic are interested in trading for him. And since NOLA has expressed interest as well, the Bulls might actually get compensation for him, which would be a miracle.

Good riddance. His stubborness, rotations, overplaying vets, and offensive sets were just downright bad. I dont see why a team would want him.
wow  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2015 11:00 am : link
I'd take him over Fisher in a heartbeat.
RE: wow  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 11:01 am : link
In comment 12287890 Greg from LI said:
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I'd take him over Fisher in a heartbeat.


Fool's gold. He is an EXCELLENT defensive coach. But his flaws as a head coach were exposed. He's more Dick Lebeau than anything.
Rumors have him headed to  
debo_GIANTS : 5/15/2015 11:08 am : link
New Orleans
all these flaws you speak of  
djm : 5/15/2015 11:09 am : link
good luck finding a better coach. The Bulls have been solid for years now despite a shit load of injuries. I think you're gonna miss Thibs in Chicago. I hope you do.
The grass  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2015 11:10 am : link
isn't always greener. People forget that two years ago he was the hottest coaching commodity in the NBA.
Yea it's thibs  
Tuckrule : 5/15/2015 11:13 am : link
Fault his super star was always hurt. Keep dreaming if you think he's an overrated coach. He's one of the best in the business. Would throw fisher to the d league and run after thibs
Dep  
Tuckrule : 5/15/2015 11:15 am : link
What exactly was exposed? It's easy to throw out words like that without anything following it. He wasn't exposed. He ran into a better team. He did what he could with basically one star and a very good big who's over the hill. Yes he was an all star but the east is pretty weak. A healthy rose and obv they cruise to the finals.
RE: all these flaws you speak of  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12287917 djm said:
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good luck finding a better coach. The Bulls have been solid for years now despite a shit load of injuries. I think you're gonna miss Thibs in Chicago. I hope you do.


A lot of people said the same thing about Mark Jackson is GS. I think all the injuries hid his flaws. He got a group of underachieving, hard nose players that defended, but once the playoffs came around, the same problems arrived each and every year.

I am not doubting his defensive philosophy. But a big thing with Thibs was the minutes he played his starters in the regular season, offesnive game plan, and rotations. They have not improved one bit. He will get another shot..... but its not like he lacked talent while he was here.
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dep026 : 5/15/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12287932 Tuckrule said:
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What exactly was exposed? It's easy to throw out words like that without anything following it. He wasn't exposed. He ran into a better team. He did what he could with basically one star and a very good big who's over the hill. Yes he was an all star but the east is pretty weak. A healthy rose and obv they cruise to the finals.


He lost to Cleveland without Love and Irving playing on one foot. A better team that consists of outcasts of Mozgov, Shumpert, Smith, James Jones, Delladova? Give me a break.

I have gone over his weaknesses time and time again. Rose has come out and said they dont work on offense that much in practice. Players around the league said the Bulls offense isnt the easiest to defend. The minutes starters played is documented.

He stunted the growth of Mirotic this year because he played his veterans. He played Hinrich a lot more than Snell, despite Hinrich being done. McDermott couldnt even get into games when the score wa 20-30. I can go on and on, but I am sur ethe 3 games you watched this year showed more than what I witnssed in 4 seasons.
Good move by  
Metnut : 5/15/2015 11:29 am : link
the Bulls. The Bulls wern't going to go any further with Thibs. IMO, he'll be able to turn an also-ran into a solid team, but isn't willing/able to be flexible to make adjustments to win a playoff series when things aren't going well.

Part of the reason Noah is injured every year is because he plays Noah 40 minutes in random games vs the Sixers in January. Management has repeatedly told him to stop this and take a Greg Pop approach to resting guys and Thibs freaks out every time.

Remember how much Melo  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2015 11:36 am : link
was getting killed for not taking far less money to get a guaranteed ring in Chicago? It's proven to be anything but a sure thing. Rose is an injury waiting to happen, Thibs was never long for the job, Noah's breaking down, Butler's future is at least somewhat uncertain and Gasol is an old man. The East really is wide open over these next few years. Get to work, Phil!
RE: Remember how much Melo  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2015 11:47 am : link
In comment 12287967 bceagle05 said:
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was getting killed for not taking far less money to get a guaranteed ring in Chicago? It's proven to be anything but a sure thing. Rose is an injury waiting to happen, Thibs was never long for the job, Noah's breaking down, Butler's future is at least somewhat uncertain and Gasol is an old man. The East really is wide open over these next few years. Get to work, Phil!


I think thats going to be the pitch to these players...especially the western conference players...

He probably has 2 players maybe 3 in mind and he is going to say if you guys team up with Melo and our 1st round pick, the East is wide open join together and you can make it to the Finals in a weak East...
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santacruzom : 5/15/2015 11:48 am : link
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good luck finding a better coach. The Bulls have been solid for years now despite a shit load of injuries. I think you're gonna miss Thibs in Chicago. I hope you do.



A lot of people said the same thing about Mark Jackson is GS.


The point still stands... Good luck finding a better coach. It won't be easy to find a coach of Kerr's caliber. I'm still surprised the Warriors pulled it off.
actually  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 11:50 am : link
I wonder if Mark Jackson is on their radar. I bet his second go around will be even better than his first.
Sorry for going off topic somewhat  
marbles : 5/15/2015 11:57 am : link
But this firing also means Ed Pinckney will join Chris Mullin's staff at SJU. Mullin basically held the spot open for him.
Smart move to make a change before he breaks Jimmy Butler  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2015 12:01 pm : link
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RE: actually  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2015 12:02 pm : link
In comment 12287984 santacruzom said:
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I wonder if Mark Jackson is on their radar. I bet his second go around will be even better than his first.


I think Jackson is waiting intently for David Blatt to be fired. LeBron is still working on that.
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dep026 : 5/15/2015 12:08 pm : link
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good luck finding a better coach. The Bulls have been solid for years now despite a shit load of injuries. I think you're gonna miss Thibs in Chicago. I hope you do.



A lot of people said the same thing about Mark Jackson is GS.



The point still stands... Good luck finding a better coach. It won't be easy to find a coach of Kerr's caliber. I'm still surprised the Warriors pulled it off.


Outside of putting up a defensive plan (which was very, very suspect against Cleveland by the way.)... why do people think he is such a great coach?
255-139 in 5 seasons  
bxgiants4 : 5/15/2015 12:42 pm : link
Flawed!!!!
Reports saying Hoiberg at the top of the list  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2015 12:44 pm : link
as a replacement?

Doesnt he run a form of the triangle? i remember him being mentioned with the knicks because of the offense he runs...
RE: 255-139 in 5 seasons  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 12:46 pm : link
In comment 12288055 bxgiants4 said:
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Flawed!!!!


Regular season stats.

23-30 in playoffs. Should we discount those?
He would be GREAT  
est1986 : 5/15/2015 7:01 pm : link
For the Orlando Magic, team full of young defensive studs.
they are a team built on defense  
hitdog42 : 5/15/2015 7:14 pm : link
and their best defensive player is banged up (like he always is)
there key offseason acquistion got hurt midway through this round... so they had no useful bigs for a team built on bigs and toughness.

Dunleavy is a bench player, Brooks is a chucker, Heinrich stinks, Gibson is a good bench big.... rose coming off injury.... and jimmy butler who is excellent.

what exactly was he supposed to do with that offensive juggernaut of a squad? and what was he supposed to do with his defensive anchor a shell of himself

I dont think the bulls ran a great offense... but the guy can coach... no doubt about it...
RE: they are a team built on defense  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 8:16 pm : link
In comment 12288513 hitdog42 said:
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and their best defensive player is banged up (like he always is)
there key offseason acquistion got hurt midway through this round... so they had no useful bigs for a team built on bigs and toughness.

Dunleavy is a bench player, Brooks is a chucker, Heinrich stinks, Gibson is a good bench big.... rose coming off injury.... and jimmy butler who is excellent.

what exactly was he supposed to do with that offensive juggernaut of a squad? and what was he supposed to do with his defensive anchor a shell of himself

I dont think the bulls ran a great offense... but the guy can coach... no doubt about it...


The problem is not defense. You jsut cant be a 1 dimensional coach.

1. He continued to run offense through Noah who was not only hurt but in effective all season. Everytime Cleveland went on a run in the 2nd was because of a lack of offense. Yet he continued to get Noah the ball with Lebron guarding him.

2. Playing Hinrich, who not only is a non threat offense, but is now a bad defender over a younger, more athletic, longer, and better shooting Snell just stunts whatever growth he has. Now I am not saying Snell is great, but he brings more than Hinrich does. But he doesnt trust young players, even if continues to be proven ineffective.

3. He yo-yo'd Mirotic all season. Instead of giving Gasol/Noah much needed nights off, he insisted making Mirotic the 4th big. When Mirotic got extended minutes, he produced big time. But whenever all 3 were healthy, he was reduced to 8-10 minutes a game. Plus McDermott got a wasted year.

4. He overused/overplayed Butler among many other people during his time period.

5. I am not questioning his defensive tactics, but I didnt agree with the two bigs he always played against Cleveland. With Butler guarding James and Rose on Irving. You needed more athletic guys guaridng Shumpert/Smith. Instead guys like Hinrich, Dunleavy, and Mirotic guarded them and burned them all series. A guy like Snell would have made a huge difference.

Plus I also think he stopped coaching in the playoffs. The intensity wasnt there. The Bulls were nto consistent all year. It just looked like a disinterested team. And his rift with the front office affected how he coached during the season. Thsi years bulls had a ton of talent but didnt have the emotion it needed.

The time had come for the two to split.
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santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:00 pm : link
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good luck finding a better coach. The Bulls have been solid for years now despite a shit load of injuries. I think you're gonna miss Thibs in Chicago. I hope you do.



A lot of people said the same thing about Mark Jackson is GS.



The point still stands... Good luck finding a better coach. It won't be easy to find a coach of Kerr's caliber. I'm still surprised the Warriors pulled it off.



Outside of putting up a defensive plan (which was very, very suspect against Cleveland by the way.)... why do people think he is such a great coach?


I don't... I just think that using the Mark Jackson example would be like citing the Colts to support letting a HOF QB walk. Mark Jackson was followed by a coach of Kerr's caliber... That's not likely to happen here.
Ok  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:11 pm : link
that makes sense.

Who knows, maybe the Bulls will hit lighting in a bottle again, ala 1989 again.
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