Will life in prison do this either? Not a fan of him getting the death penalty but there has to be a better argument than it doesn't change what happened or will happen in the future.
The death penalty accomplishes nothing and wastes time and money in the courts. Life in Supermax would've been a more appropriate punishment. Let him think about what he did for the next ~60 years instead of giving him a quick escape.
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
RE: its understandable to not want capital punishment
but he needs to answer for his crimes against his fellow man even if he's sorry. Him and his brother carried out a mass casualty surprise attack.
I'd put him to work at a VA hospital working with amputees for the rest of his life. Let him see first hand the type of person he was trying to kill maim and force him to help them and learn how wrong he truly was. All for free of course, he could sleep in a box and eat gruel with an RTLS based poison injector on his leg should he stray too far. Then he can decide when he dies.
I'd put him to work at a VA hospital working with amputees for the rest of his life. Let him see first hand the type of person he was trying to kill maim and force him to help them and learn how wrong he truly was. All for free of course, he could sleep in a box and eat gruel with an RTLS based poison injector on his leg should he stray too far. Then he can decide when he dies.
I wouldn't want him touching me, if I were a patient.
the way 8 year old Martin Richard succombed to his injuries. Along with seeing a pic of his body which had been torn apart, and shown his bloody tattered clothing in court. He was targeted by this guy for being that young, as well.
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
Once he's executed, there is zero risk of him: 1) escaping and commiting more crimes or 2) his release being used as a bargaining chip to exchange for some TBD reason. I couldn't care less if it deters anyone else.
Too bad it isn't happening in a several weeks rather than in several years.
RE: RE: its understandable to not want capital punishment
but he needs to answer for his crimes against his fellow man even if he's sorry. Him and his brother carried out a mass casualty surprise attack.
I'd put him to work at a VA hospital working with amputees for the rest of his life. Let him see first hand the type of person he was trying to kill maim and force him to help them and learn how wrong he truly was. All for free of course, he could sleep in a box and eat gruel with an RTLS based poison injector on his leg should he stray too far. Then he can decide when he dies.
What's the point? We are trying to reform someone who did something like this? He's a grown man, he knows whats right and wrong. They deliberately wanted to kill/maim as many people as possible. Even if he's reformed, he needs to answer for what he did.
unless he asks for his body to be cremated. (Yes, I realize his brother wasn't convicted of anything, but in general I don't think fantastically notorious criminals have been denied burial in this country).
with the death penalty as long as it's 100% proven.
Even 1 incorrectly executed person is too many.
But cases like this and the Cheshire home invasion, and Oklahoma City, the only regret I have is the victims families are not the ones to conduct the execution.
but oddly enough I believe every victim's family members from the Boston bombing and the victims who survived all (I believe 100%) supported life vs death.
So, while we who support the death penalty in this case all have our reasons it doesn't seem that the victims or family of the victims view death as justice.
but in this case, I agree with the notion that life in prison would've been worse.
23 hours a day in solitary confinement for the next 60 years? If I'm him, I'm taking 5-10 years on death row and a swift execution (and made out a martyr) in a heartbeat. Not to mention the family of the youngest victim requested life for him as to not drag out the process.
In spite of all that, he's getting what he ultimately deserves, which is the end of his natural life.
So, while we who support the death penalty in this case all have our reasons it doesn't seem that the victims or family of the victims view death as justice.
While that's true, there's nothing which can be done to him which would truly be justice.
Over.
likely closer to 75 years.
Appeal, then a seroies of last minute appeals heard/heard-denied, then a governmental stay, in-between will be all the public protests on his behalf,including, if they are still in business after the UVA lawsuit, the Rolling Stone mag having him on their hot 100 or something, etc.
Isn't the average about 18 years on 'death row'?
Although I'd be happy if it was tonight at midnight.
that had he stayed on the course he was on he would be graduating 40 miles from where he is today as I type this. Today is Umass-Dartmouth grad ceremony.
RE: I was just reading how the Jurors sobbed when they were told...
the way 8 year old Martin Richard succombed to his injuries. Along with seeing a pic of his body which had been torn apart, and shown his bloody tattered clothing in court. He was targeted by this guy for being that young, as well.
They can't kill him fast enough for me.
Yup, why should this POS be allowed to live when his victims are dead?
So, while we who support the death penalty in this case all have our reasons it doesn't seem that the victims or family of the victims view death as justice.
While that's true, there's nothing which can be done to him which would truly be justice.
I'm not sure, you might be right, but that's for the families of the victims and surviving victims to decide. Isn't it? Maybe they viewed life in prison as justice.
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
I saw an interview with one of the survivors who only said something like "I'm not losing any sleep if he gets the death penalty" so I'm not sure it's 100% opposed.
Muslims in there will make him a hero. We don't do justice anymore. There is zero room for any appeals but the scum bag lawyers will milk this case for years. No question of guilt. No question of intent. This won't deter other scum I know but he doesn't deserve one more day of air.
Almost 4 years to the day of his conviction. (rot in hell).
Dead in under 5...and while I oppose the death penalty for its errors and application, have no issues here. Though having him lose his mind doing 60 years in Florence had some appeal as well.
To be forgotten on this thread is this fk handed out a death sentence and carried it out the same day...ON THE VICTIMS! They should throw his ass in pig shit before they stick the needle in.
Yes, I get it, he killed innocents - something he is far from. One some level he certainly deserves to die, and maybe worse than that, deserves to be tortured and severely punished before being killed. There is a certain logic and feeling of "justice" to that which I get....I really do.
But I do feel that we as a society should be above that....and there's little doubt based on history that we'll look back on the death penalty as the barbaric practice that it is - like so much of the world does already.
Will never happen.
We'll certainly miss out on all his contributions to society by seeing him go so early.
Will life in prison do this either? Not a fan of him getting the death penalty but there has to be a better argument than it doesn't change what happened or will happen in the future.
They'll probably appeal on denial in change of venue. Maybe argue the strategy to admit guilt was outrageously flawed?
Will he bother appealing beyond what's mandatory? He's looking for martyrdom...
I think he'll eventually be put to death.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
I'd put him to work at a VA hospital working with amputees for the rest of his life. Let him see first hand the type of person he was trying to kill maim and force him to help them and learn how wrong he truly was. All for free of course, he could sleep in a box and eat gruel with an RTLS based poison injector on his leg should he stray too far. Then he can decide when he dies.
I wouldn't want him touching me, if I were a patient.
They can't kill him fast enough for me.
Quote:
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
Same.
Quote:
In comment 12288298 Joey in VA said:
Quote:
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
Same.
Third.
Gravesites of martyrs a pilgrimage destination.
Too bad it isn't happening in a several weeks rather than in several years.
Quote:
but he needs to answer for his crimes against his fellow man even if he's sorry. Him and his brother carried out a mass casualty surprise attack.
I'd put him to work at a VA hospital working with amputees for the rest of his life. Let him see first hand the type of person he was trying to kill maim and force him to help them and learn how wrong he truly was. All for free of course, he could sleep in a box and eat gruel with an RTLS based poison injector on his leg should he stray too far. Then he can decide when he dies.
What's the point? We are trying to reform someone who did something like this? He's a grown man, he knows whats right and wrong. They deliberately wanted to kill/maim as many people as possible. Even if he's reformed, he needs to answer for what he did.
Even 1 incorrectly executed person is too many.
But cases like this and the Cheshire home invasion, and Oklahoma City, the only regret I have is the victims families are not the ones to conduct the execution.
but oddly enough I believe every victim's family members from the Boston bombing and the victims who survived all (I believe 100%) supported life vs death.
So, while we who support the death penalty in this case all have our reasons it doesn't seem that the victims or family of the victims view death as justice.
23 hours a day in solitary confinement for the next 60 years? If I'm him, I'm taking 5-10 years on death row and a swift execution (and made out a martyr) in a heartbeat. Not to mention the family of the youngest victim requested life for him as to not drag out the process.
In spite of all that, he's getting what he ultimately deserves, which is the end of his natural life.
While that's true, there's nothing which can be done to him which would truly be justice.
likely closer to 75 years.
Appeal, then a seroies of last minute appeals heard/heard-denied, then a governmental stay, in-between will be all the public protests on his behalf,including, if they are still in business after the UVA lawsuit, the Rolling Stone mag having him on their hot 100 or something, etc.
Isn't the average about 18 years on 'death row'?
Although I'd be happy if it was tonight at midnight.
They can't kill him fast enough for me.
Yup, why should this POS be allowed to live when his victims are dead?
Quote:
So, while we who support the death penalty in this case all have our reasons it doesn't seem that the victims or family of the victims view death as justice.
While that's true, there's nothing which can be done to him which would truly be justice.
I'm not sure, you might be right, but that's for the families of the victims and surviving victims to decide. Isn't it? Maybe they viewed life in prison as justice.
Quote:
In comment 12288311 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
In comment 12288298 Joey in VA said:
Quote:
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
Same.
Third.
Fourth
Quote:
In comment 12288326 BrettNYG10 said:
Quote:
In comment 12288311 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
In comment 12288298 Joey in VA said:
Quote:
Woefully soft in my old age, I used to be 100% pro death penalty, but I just don't think that's right anymore.
I'm much more conflicted about capital punishment in general than I used to be because of the many questionable cases in which it is probable that the condemned was innocent. I've come to believe that its application should be severely limited and restricted.
In a case like this, though? When there's absolutely no question of guilt and the crime was so heinous? No qualms whatsoever. Off the fucker.
Same.
Third.
Fourth
Fifth
Muslims in there will make him a hero. We don't do justice anymore. There is zero room for any appeals but the scum bag lawyers will milk this case for years. No question of guilt. No question of intent. This won't deter other scum I know but he doesn't deserve one more day of air.
Dead in under 5...and while I oppose the death penalty for its errors and application, have no issues here. Though having him lose his mind doing 60 years in Florence had some appeal as well.
Yes, I get it, he killed innocents - something he is far from. One some level he certainly deserves to die, and maybe worse than that, deserves to be tortured and severely punished before being killed. There is a certain logic and feeling of "justice" to that which I get....I really do.
But I do feel that we as a society should be above that....and there's little doubt based on history that we'll look back on the death penalty as the barbaric practice that it is - like so much of the world does already.