Buddy of mine sent me this. Looks like the Giants weren't really in the running. I remember one poster in particular being upset and claiming that Reese didn't 'do enough' to get him (implying that he dropped the ball on signing him). Not sure what Reese could've done as far as changing the climate around NJ/NY. LOL!
This is a perfect example of why some people need to remember that it takes TWO to tango. Reese, or any GM for that matter, can't MAKE someone sign with the Giants or their team... sometimes the player has factors in mind as to where he wants to play and there's nothing a team can do to change his mind.
Anyway, it's a pretty good read.
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I know, and those aren't the people I'm referring to. There were quite a few posters who were blaming Reese for not signing him though and I can remember one post in particular (I remember because I responded to it) from a poster who was very upset and accusing of Reese for not trying hard enough.
This should've been the best landing spot for him:
Selling points:
- playing for a 2x SB winning Coach
- playing in the best, biggest city in the world where during and post career opportunities are boundless
- playing with a 2x SB MVP QB
- playing with his two running mates at LSU including his former roommate.
- playing on a line where he had the real opportunity to become the anchor, and most visible OL (= more $$'s)
- Actually winning a SuperBowl
Who I would've run at him:
- Chris Snee
- Eli
- Michael Strahan (life after football in NY)
- Odell Beckham
- David Diehl & Shaun O'Hara (look at how they're both doing now..and they both have rings)
Clearly Reese didn't do this...apparently he didn't have enough interest to aggressively recruit this kid.
Just another example of how Reese is smarter than everyone else. He's about to outsmart himself out of a job. He can't hide behind EA's teams anymore.
No it wasn't the majority of posters who thought like this... but it was enough to upset me a little bit. But the main point was to remind posters that many times the player himself has an idea of where he wants to go and under what conditions... and sometimes those conditions don't match up to what the Giants are offering... and in some cases it's out of their control (like the weather for instance). That's all I'm saying.
And it was on the verge of insanity. People sometimes think Reese actually owns the team and is in position to make all decisions. Mara gets the praise while Reese and the FO takes the fall. As soon as the Collins story first broke I knew he was off the Giants board until his legal matters clear up.
Once again the Giants don't have cheerleaders because ownership views it as unsavory yet they somehow thought that the Giants would be drafting a potential murder suspect. And these are suppose to be "knowledgeable" fans
“There was a team that had drafted four offensive linemen,” Smith says, “and they said, ‘We’re taking him.’ And I texted back, ‘You’re going to embarrass yourself. You’re going to waste this pick.’
“And they passed. And now he’s a UDFA.”
If the story is accurate, That team has to have been St. Louis. They went OL in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th rounds.
Thanks for sharing.
How about just feeling bad that your former lover is dead and her ten year old daughter has lost her mom? You just experienced a speed bump, but their life trajectory is forever altered.
I'm glad he's on the Cowboys. I hate that team, and it won't be hard for me to root against him.
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Before making its seventh-round selection, one team sends Smith one last text message.
“There was a team that had drafted four offensive linemen,” Smith says, “and they said, ‘We’re taking him.’ And I texted back, ‘You’re going to embarrass yourself. You’re going to waste this pick.’
“And they passed. And now he’s a UDFA.”
If the story is accurate, That team has to have been St. Louis. They went OL in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th rounds.
@BBB, pretty sure I heard on Sirius this am with Ross Tucker and Booger McFarland that it was in fact the Rams, FYI.
When is it going to penetrate the bone that NO ONE was going to draft him. Whether because of a league order or some other compelling reason, the option to draft was not in the cards.
If it were not mandated at some level that he was not to be drafted, it's virtually certain that some team would have invested a 7th-round pick.
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No excuse for Reese not bringing everything he had at this kid to sign him.
This should've been the best landing spot for him:
Selling points:
- playing for a 2x SB winning Coach
- playing in the best, biggest city in the world where during and post career opportunities are boundless
- playing with a 2x SB MVP QB
- playing with his two running mates at LSU including his former roommate.
- playing on a line where he had the real opportunity to become the anchor, and most visible OL (= more $$'s)
- Actually winning a SuperBowl
Who I would've run at him:
- Chris Snee
- Eli
- Michael Strahan (life after football in NY)
- Odell Beckham
- David Diehl & Shaun O'Hara (look at how they're both doing now..and they both have rings)
Clearly Reese didn't do this...apparently he didn't have enough interest to aggressively recruit this kid.
Just another example of how Reese is smarter than everyone else. He's about to outsmart himself out of a job. He can't hide behind EA's teams anymore.
No it wasn't the majority of posters who thought like this... but it was enough to upset me a little bit. But the main point was to remind posters that many times the player himself has an idea of where he wants to go and under what conditions... and sometimes those conditions don't match up to what the Giants are offering... and in some cases it's out of their control (like the weather for instance). That's all I'm saying.
Not too difficult to determine this poster's identity, but I respect your intent.
Supplemental draft has clear procedures consistent with the equity the NFL says it wants; as compared to the free for all bidding that played out.
P.S. I don't think the Rams are going to have a great relationship with those agents going forward. Wouldn't be surprised if this didn't bleed over into other teams re trust with that agency also.
If they're just coasting and not giving good effort, why should the school cover for them?
Well yes. When you have a GM who has never made a move or transaction that requires any imagination this is the result.
NO ONE WAS DRAFTING COLLINS. NO ONE.
I have the shittiest most intellectually challenged spell checker in the world.
Nairy a menition = nary a mention...
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I removed the name of the poster because I'm not out to embarrass the guy and make him look bad. But I disagreed with his post very much.
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No excuse for Reese not bringing everything he had at this kid to sign him.
This should've been the best landing spot for him:
Selling points:
- playing for a 2x SB winning Coach
- playing in the best, biggest city in the world where during and post career opportunities are boundless
- playing with a 2x SB MVP QB
- playing with his two running mates at LSU including his former roommate.
- playing on a line where he had the real opportunity to become the anchor, and most visible OL (= more $$'s)
- Actually winning a SuperBowl
Who I would've run at him:
- Chris Snee
- Eli
- Michael Strahan (life after football in NY)
- Odell Beckham
- David Diehl & Shaun O'Hara (look at how they're both doing now..and they both have rings)
Clearly Reese didn't do this...apparently he didn't have enough interest to aggressively recruit this kid.
Just another example of how Reese is smarter than everyone else. He's about to outsmart himself out of a job. He can't hide behind EA's teams anymore.
No it wasn't the majority of posters who thought like this... but it was enough to upset me a little bit. But the main point was to remind posters that many times the player himself has an idea of where he wants to go and under what conditions... and sometimes those conditions don't match up to what the Giants are offering... and in some cases it's out of their control (like the weather for instance). That's all I'm saying.
Not too difficult to determine this poster's identity, but I respect your intent.
Thanks but it doesn't matter who said because he's not the only one who blamed Reese for something out of his control... which is my main point.
Screw up their future? It's a coach using a motivational tactic. Nothing more.
It appears now, that he has nothing to do with this tragedy. He was unfortunately caught up in this story and it truly cost him financially. $15M ouch.
It would have been a risk to draft Collins. Some teams have a higher tolerance for risk. In my opinion, NYG not so much.
After the Draft, when the story became more clear and he was now an UDFA, I certainly would have like to see him signed by NYG. I thought it not likely, but still hoped.
I am disappointed to see him sign with Dallas.
I felt those threats by his Agent were hollow..But even if not, a 7th rounder for a shot at a possible long term player with loads of upside, is not a big deal to "squander" imo. It's one pick removed from UDFA
As his agents said, they had done the math. But ultimately, the decision belongs to the player. If he had been picked by, say, the Cowboys or Texans or Dolphins or Saints, he might have said screw it, let's get this career thing started and worry about 2017 in 2017. If it had been Buffalo or Cleveland, who knows?
One other thing: while it's true that a UDFA can make as much as the 33rd pick, I think the same is true of a 6th or 7th round pick. It depends on the assumptions you plug in.
I wonder what the Rams were up to with that phone call. Were they serious? Just probing? Messing with Collins's crew? (A typical Jeff Fisher dick move.). Or maybe they were providing cover for the league against any future charge of collusion: "Hey, we were going to draft him, and his agent warned us off."
I'm also with BB'56 in thinking the threat of not signing was worth calling his bluff (if there was no collusion). Ultimately, it's a risky move that only delays him getting his real pay day (I'm guessing not playing would have dropped him into the 2nd round next year) with the second contract. It was well worth the risk drafting him, and now we know it would have paid off. Even if it hadn't, though, Do you really have confidence either the 6th or 7th pick is going to be on the team in 2 or 3 years?
It's incredible to believe no team would have risked a 7th rounder, sans collusion.
I'm also with BB'56 in thinking the threat of not signing was worth calling his bluff (if there was no collusion). Ultimately, it's a risky move that only delays him getting his real pay day (I'm guessing not playing would have dropped him into the 2nd round next year) with the second contract. It was well worth the risk drafting him, and now we know it would have paid off. Even if it hadn't, though, Do you really have confidence either the 6th or 7th pick is going to be on the team in 2 or 3 years?
It's incredible to believe no team would have risked a 7th rounder, sans collusion.
For proof, just look at Ahmad Bradshaw. Talent-wise he should have gone sooner in the draft, yet he fell to the seventh round and worked out just fine.
For proof, just look at Ahmad Bradshaw. Talent-wise he should have gone sooner in the draft, yet he fell to the seventh round and worked out just fine.
Your second paragraph contradicts the first.
Bradshaw was more of a problem child than Collins was. Dude literally served time. Both should have been taken higher in the draft. The Giants were the only team to take a flier on Bradshaw and it paid off. They had the opportunity to do something very similar this year, and passed.
2. Nowhere cold.
3. Established coaching staff in for the long haul. Considering this could be a make or break year for Coughlin, hard to argue we fit in this.