How confident are you in Geoff Schwartz?

We are paying him big $$$ to perform. I hope he does well enough to justify what we are paying him.

We can only hope.

I just think he's more comfortable on the right side.

Hope for good health

...if he didn't swap salary for incentives. That says a lot about their confidence in Geoff Schwartz. If he stays healthy, I think he will be an asset at RG. That's a big "if".

do you have a source for that? I seriously never knew that

be a big asset for us, ideally at RG. For the five periods he played for us, we could finally run the ball.

In comment 12289018 Big Blue Blogger said:

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...if he didn't swap salary for incentives. That says a lot about their confidence in Geoff Schwartz. If he stays healthy, I think he will be an asset at RG. That's a big "if".

Based on what?

In comment 12289018 Big Blue Blogger said:

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...if he didn't swap salary for incentives. That says a lot about their confidence in Geoff Schwartz. If he stays healthy, I think he will be an asset at RG. That's a big "if".

When was that ever reported? Yes he restructured his deal but he was never in danger of being cut.

especially.

Comparitely speaking, and your supposed to get what you pay for, which is an average to above average player.

if he is injured again or doesn't perform well this season.....his dead money is about 2.4M in 2016....

I consider him the weak link of the line, more than Flowers, Pugh, or Richburg....this is a guy who has started a total of 9 games in the last 4 seasons.....

Last year he sucked at LG, before the injury.....he looked better at RG, but that was only for one game, and partial of another...

This OL needs continuity.......the starting 5 have to avoid injury.......however, I think he is more easily replaceable than the other four.....

weekly. Comes across as a bit of an odd duck, but that doesn't really speak to his playing ability. I do wonder though about who will be the leader on the OL this year?

In comment 12289059 Doomster said:

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I consider him the weak link of the line, more than Flowers, Pugh, or Richburg....this is a guy who has started a total of 9 games in the last 4 seasons.....

That's a little misleading. In the 4 years before coming to the Giants he played in 61 of a possible 64 games starting in 26 of them. He's a solid pro guard.

to have a view one way or the other.

That's a little misleading. In the 4 years before coming to the Giants he played in 61 of a possible 64 games starting in 26 of them. He's a solid pro guard.

do you give more weight to his first two years, or his last four?

Hey, I hope he finally plays a full season(he's only done it once).....we need him.....but I wouldn't be surprised, based on the last 4 seasons....

+1

Maybe it's your theory; you should phrase it that way. Schwartz looked like he could be a good signing year before last. Giants payed a lot because other teams were in the mix & the Giants needed help on the OL. Before he got hurt, in preseason, he looked bad playing on the left side in a small sample. When he got healthy, during the season, he looked much better on the right side but also a small sample . No reason why he shouldn't contribute on the right side and no reason why he shouldn't be healthy.

A guy that big with those lower body injuries are not a good thing. I don't see him doing a thing for us.

In comment 12289097 Doomster said:

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Hey, I hope he finally plays a full season(he's only done it once).....we need him.....but I wouldn't be surprised, based on the last 4 seasons....

He played full seasons in 3 of his first 4 seasons (13 games in 2012 the only exception) thus the 31 of 34 games before coming to the Giants for his 5th season. Just stating the facts. Some guys who have been pretty healthy like Schwartz get hurt some guys who have been hurt get healthy. Who knows.

... doesn't accept a restructure that converts a big chunk of salary to NLTBE incentives unless it includes a boatload of guarantees and new money.

While I can't swear that the Giants held a gun to Geoff Schwartz's head, it's reasonable to infer that they made him sweat, and that he was in real danger if he gave no ground. There was a limit to how much they could demand, since he was only one year into his deal.

In comment 12289080 Del Shofner said:

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to have a view one way or the other.

That's the case with most of us.

the Giants could have with Schwartz and Flowers on either side of Richburg.

Center.

He played full seasons in 3 of his first 4 seasons...



Ok, he did, if you want to count stepping onto the field for one play, as a whole game....

He has only had one full season as a starter....he has started 9 games, in the last 4 years....and when the Giants signed him, he had only started 7 games, in his previous 3 seasons....

In comment 12289146 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... doesn't accept a restructure that converts a big chunk of salary to NLTBE incentives unless it includes a boatload of guarantees and new money. While I can't swear that the Giants held a gun to Geoff Schwartz's head, it's reasonable to infer that they made him sweat, and that he was in real danger if he gave no ground. There was a limit to how much they could demand, since he was only one year into his deal.

Reasonable inference..Just don't recall him being restructured

Restructured for the same reasons both signed new deals and missed most of the season . Both have a chance to make their money back in incentives. I don't think either was in jeopardy of being cut.

I don't think that is true. Look at the dead cap hit they would have taken. It would have made no sense to cut him.

With 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders, and Schwartz I think we should be much improved. Regardless of who plays where this year between Pugh and Flowers, this line should be able to create holes and protect Eli.

This is drivel


In comment 12289018 Big Blue Blogger said:

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...if he didn't swap salary for incentives. That says a lot about their confidence in Geoff Schwartz. If he stays healthy, I think he will be an asset at RG. That's a big "if".

until he shows something. Right now he is getting paid well and has not done anything for the team. Action and results are in order, not rhetoric. That is the problem with this team, too much talk and expectations, but no results.

was playing between Beatty and Walton during the preseason and struggled but there were some factors to take in consideration like he was learning a new offense, he was playing with new line mates that had needed time to gel. Also Walton played very poorly last season and that had to affect Schwartz. He looked solid playing RT before he was injured. I look forward to seeing him play between Richburg and Flowers. The right side of the Giants line is 670 lbs+.

... But they didn't want to pay his original salary either. And if they didn't make a credible threat of releasing him, why did Schwartz accept this?

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$1.5M of 2015 salary converted to $93,750 per game active bonus (2 LTBE)

Just to get $500k of his 2016 salary guaranteed? Doesn't make sense. Schwartz didn't give a lot, but it looks like he gave more than he got. And that strongly suggests that he could have been cut. Can't prove it. Just can't see another logical explanation.

In comment 12289157 Doomster said:

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He played full seasons in 3 of his first 4 seasons... Ok, he did, if you want to count stepping onto the field for one play, as a whole game.... He has only had one full season as a starter....he has started 9 games, in the last 4 years....and when the Giants signed him, he had only started 7 games, in his previous 3 seasons....

So the truth is "semantics"?

And you know he only stepped onto the field for one play how exactly?

And if you wanted to say he was a full time starter for only one full year why didn't you?

Did the Giants overpay, for a player that started 7 games in his last 3 seasons?

This is another case where Reese backed himself into a corner, like Beatty and Baas.....he was desperate to get a lineman, and because there weren't many out there had to outbid/overpay.....

Irreguardless, I hope Schwartz has his second full season as a starter....we don't have much wiggle room....

In comment 12289279 Doomster said:

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Did the Giants overpay, for a player that started 7 games in his last 3 seasons? This is another case where Reese backed himself into a corner, like Beatty and Baas.....he was desperate to get a lineman, and because there weren't many out there had to outbid/overpay..... Irreguardless, I hope Schwartz has his second full season as a starter....we don't have much wiggle room....

I hope we are not irregardless, regardless of who starts.

Changed irreguardless to irregardless - how pathetic is that?

In comment 12289279 Doomster said:

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Did the Giants overpay, for a player that started 7 games in his last 3 seasons? This is another case where Reese backed himself into a corner, like Beatty and Baas.....he was desperate to get a lineman, and because there weren't many out there had to outbid/overpay..... Irreguardless, I hope Schwartz has his second full season as a starter....we don't have much wiggle room....

Look, he got a 4.2m/year deal which isn't exorbitant. The OL had been decimated by injury with Baas and Snee gone so he was in a tough spot. Then Schwartz got injured too so it looks bad. If you can tell me how we can predict injuries (just figure if they're wearing a Giants uniform they'll be injured?) I'll tell you if he over payed.

that a healthy Schwartz will be much better than J.D. Walton. If he isn't healthy, I'm glad we kept John Jerry as a backup.

Let's stop with the nonsense with the contract business. Could he have gotten cut? Sure. Lots of players get cut due to their contracts. Did Reese overpay to get him? No. He got paid the market rate for the one of the best offensive guards available last year.

We have addressed our weakness on the OL over the last 2 years, I am confident that the line won't be the black hole that it was at times recently.

Now we can get the running game going and give the QB some protection.

And ex 49er's cast-off play left guard ? They actually looked pretty good, then the injury bug bit them both and that was the end of that.

I am not confident that he will available for the whole stretch in 15-16. We will be going with Flowers Pugh Richburg Jerry Beatty or some variation of that. Jerry was ok at times last season. I hope he's able to help Ereck Flowers' development and add to his nastiness.

for one year in 2012 and they didn't resign him. Played for Chiefs for one year in 2013 and they didn't resign him.

First big contract was the Giants 4 year deal in 2014.

I think he's way too much of an unknown to know one way or the other. But I don't think its ever a good sign when other teams choose not to keep a player - no less to be with his 4th team in 4 years. To me, free agents are generally players that haven't played well enough to become essential to their teams. His record is pretty clear that he has never been essential to any team he's played for thus far in his career.

In 2011, he was projected to start at right guard again. However, during a training camp practice he suffered an injured right hip consisting of a hip impingement (a bone spur in his femur that tore his hip cartilage)

plus this last season ik it's only 2 years and he played good other then that but its only going to get harder to stay healthy as he ages.
Hope he does though

Looked good to me at RT last year in small sample. Probably much more comfortable at RG. Hopefully, NYG uses him there and move Pugh over at LG.

OK, let's hear your cogent explanation of the changes to Schwartz's contract. Basically, he got the Beason Treatment - less draconian, but the same basic contours: a big pay cut, with a chance to earn it back if he stays healthy. Great for the team, because they get to pay him largely with 2016 cap dollars, and only if he plays. Not so good for the player.

It's possible that the 2016 guarantee was enough of a sweetener for Schwartz to consider the deal roughly a break-even proposition. I doubt it, though. The number just don't break that way.

Just trying to cover the bases here, but is it possible that Schwartz recognized that he didn't deliver on the first year of his contract and, in the spirit of trying to be a good teammate (yes they do exist) was agreeable when the Giants went to him with a restructure proposal in which he'll get back some of what he had to initially give up?

Semi-related, but if we use the injury argument, why didn't they go to Cruz to lower his cap number, especially if they still have doubts about whether he'll be the same coming off injury?

maybe the Canadian kid is young, healthy, technically sound and smart, maybe he plays, or, maybe lack of power at guard forces flowers to do one year at guard before he matriculates to RT.

Beatty/Jones/Richburg/Flowers/Pugh



- at least its young and healthy, the right attitude and fairly technically right.


why flowers over pugh? just the concept of having big power at guard, and possibly jones brings the pull and skills from left guard,

not suggesting this, but we have no idea.

How can you not love his smiling face?

...is that there was no way in hell they were going to cut him, so they had no leverage. His turn might come in 2016.

You're much closer to the team than we are, and you probably have some insights you can't share. If you're hinting that Schwartz actually did the renegotiation to be a mensch, that's pretty cool

I'm kvelling.

but color me skeptical that he took a pay cut out of the goodness of his heart.

as a sure thing, never did.

"7th round draft pick. Panthers let him walk. Played for Vikings
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for one year in 2012 and they didn't resign him. Played for Chiefs for one year in 2013 and they didn't resign him.

First big contract was the Giants 4 year deal in 2014"

Thats a lot closer to what I think of him, that and the fact PFF had him graded as one of the worst guards in the NFL when he played in Kansas city.Public opinion and spin not withstanding.

One guys Kvelling is another guys fischemelled mess.

In comment 12289122 Samiam said:

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Maybe it's your theory; you should phrase it that way. Schwartz looked like he could be a good signing year before last. Giants payed a lot because other teams were in the mix & the Giants needed help on the OL. Before he got hurt, in preseason, he looked bad playing on the left side in a small sample. When he got healthy, during the season, he looked much better on the right side but also a small sample . No reason why he shouldn't contribute on the right side and no reason why he shouldn't be healthy.

That brings up the question as to why the Giants didn't move him over to RG after Snee retired and continued to use him on the left side.

If Schwartz is healthy, I think he'll be a very good player on the O-Line. Its just that bit of staying healthy. I think having Schwartz between Richburg at Center and Flowers at RT would make a huge difference for both youngsters.

former Eagles;a HC. Eagles reportedly had a knack for knowing when to cut a player loose.

Hopefully he'll stay healthy, but he's what 30 this year?

And, I don't remember him playing great for them last year before he got hurt.

Be surprised to see a lot posts re: being very confident about him.

In comment 12289183 Pat from Inside Football said:

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I don't think that is true. Look at the dead cap hit they would have taken. It would have made no sense to cut him.

Agreed. He can play he just got hurt last year. I mean, our whole team was hurt last year. I think we led the league in man games lost due to injury!

Schwartz-Richburg-Pugh will be an upgrade over what we had last year inside.

Geoff Schwartz will return our O-Line to its former glory!

A decent lineman who is overpaid. We overpaid him because we were desperate. If he stays healthy he can do a decent job.

Paid him big money out of desperation. It is very similar to the David Baas signing.

In comment 12289613 chris r said:

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Paid him big money out of desperation. It is very similar to the David Baas signing.

They didn't pay him a lot of money out of desperation. This is a guy who started out at OT which was a position that he struggled at. He was shifted to RG and played at a pro bowl level for Kansas City. This guy Antonio Pierce was an undrafted player who only had one good season in his contract year and the Giants gave him big money out of desperation.

David Baas signed a 5 yr/27.5m with 11.5 guaranteed.

Geoff Schwartz got 4 yr/16.8m with 5.7 guaranteed.

Not really close at all in terms of real money getting paid. Plus his money was reduced an awful lot this past March. He gets paid fairly well if he performs up to specific tasks. If he under-performs this season or gets another injury plagued year, he's toast. Baas was more difficult to dice because he had more money to deal with. Not so with Geoff.

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for one year in 2012 and they didn't resign him. Played for Chiefs for one year in 2013 and they didn't resign him. First big contract was the Giants 4 year deal in 2014. I think he's way too much of an unknown to know one way or the other. But I don't think its ever a good sign when other teams choose not to keep a player - no less to be with his 4th team in 4 years. To me, free agents are generally players that haven't played well enough to become essential to their teams. His record is pretty clear that he has never been essential to any team he's played for thus far in his career.

The Chiefs tried to re-sign him but they were in a tough situation with the cap being that they also had Branden Albert and Jon Asamoah hitting free agency. Kansas City also had Rodney Hudson entering the final year of his contract so the team had to make tough decisions and felt that Jeff Allen could step in and contribute along with draft picks Eric Fisher and Donald Stephenson.

who has contributed little so far to the team's performance. Always hoped that David B aas would be a tough-ass leader of the line, but such never happened. Schwartz came here with much fanfare in 2014... He then got himself acclimated with the local environment but ultimately didn't do squat in-between-the-lines. If he (again) reports to camp fat and out of shape -- as he did last year -- just cut him. I would much rather have someone who is hungry, nasty and poor than someone who is another overpaid Baas-like under-performer....

In comment 12289286 Jay in Toronto said:

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Changed irreguardless to irregardless - how pathetic is that?

Irregardless is not a standard word. It is a double negative, hence the nonstandard label.

It is either 'with irregards to' or 'regardless'. But since we lazy ass Americans butcher English on a regular basis, it is now a word.

I hope this was helpful, regardless.

will make the final decision on who plays where.

Fool's gold.

I hope I'm wrong.

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How can you not love his smiling face?

When he misses practically the entire season. :)

In comment 12289664 GMenAllDay said:

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In comment 12289286 Jay in Toronto said: Quote: Changed irreguardless to irregardless - how pathetic is that? Irregardless is not a standard word. It is a double negative, hence the nonstandard label. It is either 'with irregards to' or 'regardless'. But since we lazy ass Americans butcher English on a regular basis, it is now a word. I hope this was helpful, regardless.

Yes I know that and never use the word. My whole point was the interesting coinage of the new word "irreguardless" in this context.

Is a unit that needs to work together. I hope they settle quickly (I'm hoping B, P, W, S, F) and get some experience working together.

on the field , but they must have seen enough
in him to spend the money that said as pathetic
as our run game was a healthy Schwartz is
a big plus . Just give us a solid run game
this season .

ANd he looked like a crippled elephant at LG. NEeds to be on the right side

I wish reeese would stop signing free agents that have spent more time in MASH than on the field.

Its a crapshoot every year.

Think beason starts all 16 ? LOL
I am sure Schwartz misses games too.

In comment 12290020 shabu said:

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I wish reeese would stop signing free agents that have spent more time in MASH than on the field.

Canty and Boley never missed a game...until they signed with the Giants. Are you going to blame Reese for that? Rolle never missed a game, period. No credit to Reese for that?

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Its a crapshoot every year.

Of course it is, but you still blame Reese for some unfathomable reason.

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Think beason starts all 16 ? LOL I am sure Schwartz misses games too.

I'm glad that Giants' starters missing games makes you happy. I suggest you chew on tinfoil for a while, then comb your hair with a cheese grater. That would make me happy.

In comment 12289632 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 12289371 baadbill said: Quote: for one year in 2012 and they didn't resign him. Played for Chiefs for one year in 2013 and they didn't resign him. First big contract was the Giants 4 year deal in 2014. I think he's way too much of an unknown to know one way or the other. But I don't think its ever a good sign when other teams choose not to keep a player - no less to be with his 4th team in 4 years. To me, free agents are generally players that haven't played well enough to become essential to their teams. His record is pretty clear that he has never been essential to any team he's played for thus far in his career. The Chiefs tried to re-sign him but they were in a tough situation with the cap being that they also had Branden Albert and Jon Asamoah hitting free agency. Kansas City also had Rodney Hudson entering the final year of his contract so the team had to make tough decisions and felt that Jeff Allen could step in and contribute along with draft picks Eric Fisher and Donald Stephenson.

In other words, KC felt other players were essential and Schwartz was not. Just like I said.

In comment 12289279 Doomster said:

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Did the Giants overpay, for a player that started 7 games in his last 3 seasons? This is another case where Reese backed himself into a corner, like Beatty and Baas.....he was desperate to get a lineman, and because there weren't many out there had to outbid/overpay..... Irreguardless, I hope Schwartz has his second full season as a starter....we don't have much wiggle room....

Good post. Schwartz may be working the system for the $$. He has talent but seems to be always injured till he looks for another raise and a new team.

watch SB 46 again. He did yeoman's work on Wilfork.

Oh and TMS, that takes a lot of proof to call out someone for that. Schwartz is not working the system. Come on. Why would any team pay him if he can't stay on the field this year?

They could nickname Schwartz "tweetie bird" considering he plays on twitter more than he plays on the field.

He got injured and all but missed the 2015 season. See no reason he should be a liability in 2016.

I think he is a solid RG. He played well once we scrapped him as LG and played him at RG for the handful of games he was healthy.

What I am worried about, is what is Plan B?

In comment 12290087 baadbill said:

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In comment 12289632 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 12289371 baadbill said: Quote: for one year in 2012 and they didn't resign him. Played for Chiefs for one year in 2013 and they didn't resign him. First big contract was the Giants 4 year deal in 2014. I think he's way too much of an unknown to know one way or the other. But I don't think its ever a good sign when other teams choose not to keep a player - no less to be with his 4th team in 4 years. To me, free agents are generally players that haven't played well enough to become essential to their teams. His record is pretty clear that he has never been essential to any team he's played for thus far in his career. The Chiefs tried to re-sign him but they were in a tough situation with the cap being that they also had Branden Albert and Jon Asamoah hitting free agency. Kansas City also had Rodney Hudson entering the final year of his contract so the team had to make tough decisions and felt that Jeff Allen could step in and contribute along with draft picks Eric Fisher and Donald Stephenson. In other words, KC felt other players were essential and Schwartz was not. Just like I said.

Yep. and for all the talk of his "big year" at KC, he only started 7 games.

when a huge dude who's not very mobile starts piling up serious leg injuries.

who is always injured looking for a media gig as well. We will see this year.

Networks look for higher profile guys for media gigs. The burden of proof is on you to prove he's dogging it. Common sense says it's in his best interest to stay healthy.

Often Injured and sometimes inconsistent it's hard to be confident in him. Same thing for Beatty. They both worry me because our line is so dependent on them to play good or to at least be out there.

I'm hoping for the best!