I have 3 daughters of age for the Gardasil HPV vaccination. So far I have refused it. I'm not anti-vaccine by any stretch but this one concerns me.
Yes, not everything you read on Internet is true but I don't like what I've read, some are true horror stories. Countries have stopped it's use and a number of criminal complaints filed. Yet we promote it here in the US.
Am I being over the top with this? Anyone know the true facts and is this vaccine actually worth taking?
like any other chemical there is the potential for a reaction in your child, but in this case something like 70% of all cervical cancer cases can be prevented by getting this vaccine.
of the deaths reported I don't know any of them were linked to the vaccine in a causal capacity.
Of course one needs to be careful but it's a vaccine IMO that does much more good than harm. . Of course that's small solace if there is a reaction. I got my kids vaccinated FWIW.
One of the hardest things to do in all of science and medicine is establishing causation between two events, especially if one of the events is rare. I have yet to see convincing evidence that ANY major harmful event can be attributed to any vaccine. The ones that still could be in the "maybe" category are so rare, they're simply not worth bringing into the conversation. For example- would you ever consider staying home from work because you were afraid of getting hit by a meteor on your way there? The one or two events that might be associated with vaccination fall into this category.
For varied reasons- some financial and some due to big egos- people have taken to spreading misinformation because they feel they know better than immunologists and epidemiologists. Immunology and infectious disease is not my specialty- so you should not take my word for it. What I can tell you is that you will not find an immunologist, epidemiologist, or infectious disease specialist advocate against any vaccine, even the Gardasil vaccine.
Here are some articles that I feel are of very high reliability:
HPV Vaccine Safety- www.sciencebasedmedicine.org is one of my favorite websites for this type of information
More info on Gardasil safety This link has a lot of references you can peruse yourself.
The take home message is that people who say they have evidence that vaccines (even Gardasil) are harmful are mining for anomalies. If you bring massive awareness to anything, you can make it look like it has harmful effects. For example, if you started a massive campaign bringing attention to the harmful effects of buying a new car, I'm am absolutely certain that you could manage to find several hundred people who will step forward and say, "yeah, I had this bad effect within a week of buying a new car." The two have no connection but people will believe it.
Line of the night thus far
Why not? Do you have some data that the scientific community is not aware of?
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
I have a friend who has a son that was fine until age three. Totally normal kid until he got vaccinated. Now the child had autism/global developmental delay. My friend swears it was the vaccine. Swears it was.
Do we know for sure? No. But that one is close to home so it concerns me greatly.
Not worth the risk, IMO.
From
Despite Merck's claims, the question of whether Gardasil will reduce cervical cancer deaths in real-world conditions has actually never been answered. The company-sponsored studies on the subject looked at cervical changes that aren't indicative of cervical cancer in the first place.
According to Discover Magazine:
"Merck says that in males, the vaccine is 89 percent effective against genital warts and 75 percent effective against anal cancer. On closer inspection, some of the numbers don't just deflate, they evaporate ... So how did the HPV vaccine become a multi-billion-dollar winner for Merck? Well you might not be surprised to hear that the company happily lavished money on doctors, professional societies, and over 100 legislators."
Vanishing Efficacy Rates
In her Discover article , medical investigative journalist Jeanne Lenzer goes on to expose how misleading Merck's stated efficacy rates really are:
"On May 10, 2007, Merck published the results of a study in the New England Journal of Medicine that claimed an astounding 98 percent efficacy in preventing changes in the cervix used as a marker for cervical cancer.
But…[to] achieve the 98 percent efficacy claim, Merck excluded from analysis anyone who "violated" the study protocol. In other words, all real-world problems that arose were excluded from analysis. Problems like girls who refused to take a second or third shot after they became sick and (correctly or incorrectly) blamed the vaccine…
To Merck's credit, they reported that when all women in the study were analyzed, the vaccine's efficacy dropped to 44 percent… [But the] 44 percent benefit included only those women with the two specific cancer-causing HPV strains found in the vaccine… [W]hen the researchers looked at negative cervical changes from any causes, they found that changes occurred in unvaccinated women at a rate of 1.5 events per 100 person-years, while vaccinated women had 1.3 events—dropping the benefit to 17 percent.
Moreover, most of the cervical changes tracked by the researchers weren't even indicative of cervical cancer in the first place. Most were innocent cellular abnormalities that either disappear entirely on their own, or never progress to cancer. In fact, when they looked more closely at advanced cervical changes most likely to progress to cancer versus more innocent changes that go away spontaneously, it was the innocent changes that accounted for the decline."
From Cancer.org:
The American Cancer Society estimates for anal cancer in the United States for 2014 are:
About 7,270 new cases (4,630 in women and 2,640 in men)
2,640/151.4 million U.S. males = .00040170984455 chance of getting anal cancer.
An acceptable risk, im my mind.
About 1,010 deaths (610 in women and 400 in men)
Someone who is more qualified than I.
Someone who is more qualified than I.
But I do have to ask why you wouldn't rather listen (or cite) to a health organization like the CDC, as opposed to some alternative medicine shill for whom even a simple Google search would turn up a whole list of denunciations by government and health organizations.
I know women who had cervical cancer or pre-cancerous cells. It's not fun. The test is not fun and it's not very reliable (many false positives). I would get the vaccine if I was a kid and I would get it for my kids, both sons and daughters. For instance, it is now thought that throat cancer can be caused by HPV. So it's not just a female problem.
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Someone who is more qualified than I.
well, I'm not really sure about that....
I don't know Bill, I'm sure that Mercola is more qualified than GmenAllDay, but that is not saying much.
Grown and smoked, by George!
But…[to] achieve the 98 percent efficacy claim, Merck excluded from analysis anyone who "violated" the study protocol. In other words, all real-world problems that arose were excluded from analysis. Problems like girls who refused to take a second or third shot after they became sick and (correctly or incorrectly) blamed the vaccine…
Someone doesn't complete the course of treatment and gets excluded from a study? Inconceivable!
There is a growing incidence of HPV-related head and neck cancers. It also causes non-cancerous respiratory papillomas which cannot be cured.
Mercola is a anti-vaccine nutter.
Someone who is more qualified than I.
From mercola? It's safe to say that whatever is posted by that quack is the exact opposite of the truth. I have to look at ISIS before I find someone I have more contempt for than Mercola.
Unfortunately, many MD's are woefully out of date in their ability to interpret evidence from many research articles.
ly.
Yes you are. They're pushing it hard on boys b/c they can be carriers.
Unfortunately, many MD's are woefully out of date in their ability to interpret evidence from many research articles.
Agreed, especially GYN's. You get chairman or the head of ACOG to make a statement or endorsement and almost every MD under that umbrella just follows the leader.
You have me confused with someone else, friend. I don't know who nykallday is.
No clue, whatsoever.
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Someone who is more qualified than I.
From mercola? It's safe to say that whatever is posted by that quack is the exact opposite of the truth. I have to look at ISIS before I find someone I have more contempt for than Mercola.
Actually, the article is from Discover, not Mercola.
The cancer stats are from Cancer.org. Are they quacks and fearmongers, too? The info from their site is from the Amercian Cancer Society.
Google it yourself. Anal cancer in men is about as prevalent as a winning lottery ticket. Not an acceptable risk to inject my son with a vaccine for something that is extremely rare to get.
Again, do the math.
By the way, your math is incorrect. Since people are getting the vaccine, the probability of getting this disease is much higher. Plus, any math that you use must compare the risk of harm from the vaccine. If that's sufficiently close to 0, the vaccine wins in a landslide.
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Someone who is more qualified than I.
From mercola? It's safe to say that whatever is posted by that quack is the exact opposite of the truth. I have to look at ISIS before I find someone I have more contempt for than Mercola.
Actually, the article is from Discover, not Mercola.
The cancer stats are from Cancer.org. Are they quacks and fearmongers, too? The info from their site is from the Amercian Cancer Society.
Google it yourself. Anal cancer in men is about as prevalent as a winning lottery ticket. Not an acceptable risk to inject my son with a vaccine for something that is extremely rare to get.
Again, do the math.
Look, I truly believe everyone is entitled to do what they want, but Ben dumb stuff. It's a little more dicey when you're talking about impairing the health of children but still..
But, others were asking for advice and it's simply not right to provide misinformation and mislead them.
No clue, whatsoever.
Well, that's certainly try.
BTW, while anal cancer may be rare, there are other HPV-related cancers that affect men.
HPV-Associated Oropharyngeal cancer rates by race, ethnicity, and sex, United States, 2004-2008
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
I have a friend who has a son that was fine until age three. Totally normal kid until he got vaccinated. Now the child had autism/global developmental delay. My friend swears it was the vaccine. Swears it was.
Do we know for sure? No. But that one is close to home so it concerns me greatly.
Well, if your friend really swears it, then that's all the science I need!
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but I am leary of the other vaccines out there.
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
I have a friend who has a son that was fine until age three. Totally normal kid until he got vaccinated. Now the child had autism/global developmental delay. My friend swears it was the vaccine. Swears it was.
Do we know for sure? No. But that one is close to home so it concerns me greatly.
Well, if your friend really swears it, then that's all the science I need!
you crack me up Chris.
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www.mercola.com
Someone who is more qualified than I.
From mercola? It's safe to say that whatever is posted by that quack is the exact opposite of the truth. I have to look at ISIS before I find someone I have more contempt for than Mercola.
Actually, the article is from Discover, not Mercola.
The cancer stats are from Cancer.org. Are they quacks and fearmongers, too? The info from their site is from the Amercian Cancer Society.
Google it yourself. Anal cancer in men is about as prevalent as a winning lottery ticket. Not an acceptable risk to inject my son with a vaccine for something that is extremely rare to get.
Again, do the math.
I've gotta say- if that's the quality of reporting that's coming out of Discover these days, then they're quacks, too. The author of that article did a god-awful job and has no place in science reporting.
I love it when stats are used to justify a position and it's defended by saying "but it's from the CDC!" Yes, it is. And I have no idea how you came to the conclusion you came to from those stats.
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but I am leary of the other vaccines out there.
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
I have a friend who has a son that was fine until age three. Totally normal kid until he got vaccinated. Now the child had autism/global developmental delay. My friend swears it was the vaccine. Swears it was.
Do we know for sure? No. But that one is close to home so it concerns me greatly.
Well, if your friend really swears it, then that's all the science I need!
Did you read this part?
"Do we know for sure? No. But that one is close to home so it concerns me greatly."
You're a snarky lil cunt, aren't you? Internet tuff guy.
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www.mercola.com
Someone who is more qualified than I.
From mercola? It's safe to say that whatever is posted by that quack is the exact opposite of the truth. I have to look at ISIS before I find someone I have more contempt for than Mercola.
Actually, the article is from Discover, not Mercola.
The cancer stats are from Cancer.org. Are they quacks and fearmongers, too? The info from their site is from the Amercian Cancer Society.
Google it yourself. Anal cancer in men is about as prevalent as a winning lottery ticket. Not an acceptable risk to inject my son with a vaccine for something that is extremely rare to get.
Again, do the math.
even if the risk cancer were to be low, the risk of vaccine-induced injury is much lower still. So, you do the math.
Look, I truly believe everyone is entitled to do what they want, but Ben dumb stuff. It's a little more dicey when you're talking about impairing the health of children but still..
But, others were asking for advice and it's simply not right to provide misinformation and mislead them.
"even if the risk cancer were to be low, the risk of vaccine-induced injury is much lower still. So, you do the math."
And where are your stats to support your POV? Well, I'm waiting.
"But, others were asking for advice and it's simply not right to provide misinformation and mislead them."
Riiiight, because the CDC and FDA are the absolute final word.
Would you like a list of all the bad drugs that ABSOLUTELY killing people in this country? All you have to do is turn on the TV to see that everything from Redux to Male Hormone Replacement is a galactic pigfuck from hell.
But, hey, the FDA and CDC said so, so you know........
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In July 2011, FDA began a pilot program to notify people of drug recalls before they are classified. These unclassified recalls will be published in the Enforcement Report every Wednesday, and will be listed under the heading, “Human Drug Product Recalls Pending Classification.” They will be reposted with their classification once that determination has been made. Send comments or suggestions to CDERRecallPilot@fda.hhs.gov.
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NOTE: The recalls on the list are generally Class I., which means there is a reasonable probability that the use of or exposure to a violative product will cause serious adverse health consequences or death.
2015
05/04/2015 Teva Parenteral Medicines Initiates Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Select Lots of Adrucil (fluorouracil Injection, Usp) 5 G/100 Ml (50 Mg/ml) Due to Particulate Matter
04/23/2015 Mylan Initiates Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Select Lots of Injectable Products Due to the Presence of Particulate Matter
04/23/2015 Hospira Issues A Voluntary Nationwide Recall Of One Lot Of Bupivacaine HCl Injection Due To Potential Iron Oxide Particulate In Glass Vials
04/22/2015 RB Issues Voluntary Recall of Liquid Bottles of MUCINEX® FAST-MAX® Night Time Cold & Flu; MUCINEX® FAST-MAX® Cold & Sinus; MUCINEX® FAST-MAX® Severe Congestion & Cough and MUCINEX® FAST-MAX® Cold, Flu & Sore Throat Due to Undeclared Levels of Acetaminophen, Dextromethorphan, Guaifenesin, Phenylephrine and/or Diphenhydramine
04/10/2015 Baxter Initiates Voluntary Recall of Select Lots of IV Solutions Due to the Potential Presence of Particulate Matter
04/01/2015 North Carolina Board of Pharmacy Announces a Recall of All Lots of Non- Sterile and Sterile Products Compounded, Repackaged, and Distributed by Prescription Center Between September 10, 2014 and March 10, 2015 Due to Lack of Sterility, Potency, and Stability Assurance
03/11/2015 Hospira Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of Lactated Ringer's Irrigation Due to Mold Contamination
03/05/2015 Hospira Issues A Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP, 250 mL VisIV Container Due to Particulate Matter
02/25/2015 Heritage Pharmaceuticals Initiates a Nationwide Voluntary Recall of Colistimethate for Injection USP, 150 mg and Rifampin for Injection USP, 600 mg/vial Due to a Lack of Sterility Assurance
02/23/2015 Sagent Pharmaceuticals Initiates a Nationwide Voluntary Recall of Atracurium Besylate Injection, USP, 50mg/5mL and 100mg/10mL due to FDA Observations Pertaining toAseptic and GMP Practices at the Manufacturer’s Site Potentially Impacting Product Sterility
02/10/2015 Hospira Issues a Voluntary Global Recall of Multiple Lots of Ketorolac Tromethamine Injection Due to Potential Particulate in Glass Vials
01/20/2015 Hospira Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP, 250 mL Due to Particulate Matter
2014
12/31/2014 Valeant Pharmaceutical North America LLC Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall Of Virazole (Ribavirin Powder For Solution) Due To Microbial Contamination
12/23/2014 Hospira Announces Voluntary Worldwide Recall of 10 Lots of Mitoxantrone Due to Confirmed Subpotency and Out-Of-Specification Impurities
12/12/2014 Tristar Equine Issues Voluntary Recall of Gastrotec
12/11/2014 Baxter Voluntarily Initiates U.S. Recall of Two Lots of Sodium Chloride Injection, USP Due to the Presence of Particulate Matter
11/24/2014 Aurobindo Pharma USA, Inc. Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Northstar Label Gabapentin Capsules, USP 300 mg Due to Complaints of Empty Capsules
11/20/2014 Baxter Initiate Voluntary Recall of One Lot of Highly COncentrated Potassium Chloride Injection In The U.S. Due to Mislabeled Overpouch
10/20/2014 Contract Packaging Resources, Inc. Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Assured Brand Naproxen Sodium Tablets due to Packaging Mix-Up
10/16/2014 Hospira Announces Voluntary Nationwide Recall Of One Lot Of 1% Lidocaine HCI Injection, USP 10 MG Per ML, 30 ML Single-Dose. Preservative-Free, Due To Particulate Matter
10/14/2014 Hospira Announces Voluntary Nationwide Recall Of Certain Lots of Several Lifecare Products Due To Potential For Leakage
10/09/2014 Oregon Compounding Centers, Inc. Issues Voluntary Recall of Unexpired Sterile Products in Oregon and Washington Due to Lack of Sterility Assurance
10/07/2014 Hospira Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of Vancomycin Hydrochloride for Injection USP, Equivalent to 1 G Vancomycin (Sterile Powder) Due to Uncontrolled Storage During Transit
10/03/2014 Sagent Pharmaceuticals Initiates a Nationwide Voluntary Recall of Three Lots of Ketorolac Tromethamine Injection, USP, 30mg/Ml Due to Labeling the Product With the Incorrect Expiration Date
09/16/2014 Baxter Initiates U.S. Voluntary Recall of One Lot of Potassium Chloride Injection Due to Shipping Carton Mislabeling
09/11/2014 Hospira Issues a Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of Heparin Sodium, 1,000 USP Heparin Units/500 mL (2 USP Heparin Units/mL), In 0.9 percent Sodium Chloride Injection, 500 Ml, Due to Particulate Matter
09/06/2014 Pharmacy Creations Issues Voluntary Recall of Four Product Lots With Limited Distribution in Florida, New Jersey, New York, and Puerto Rico Due to Potential Non-Sterility
08/27/2014 Martin Avenue Pharmacy, Inc. Issues a Voluntary Multi-State Recall of All Compounded Sterile Preparations Due to a Lack of Assurance of Sterility
08/14/2014 Baxter Voluntarily Initiates U.S. Recall of Two Lots of Peritoneal Dialysis Solution Due to Presence of Particulate Matter
08/13/2014 Amgen Issues Voluntary Recall of Aranesp (darbepoetin alfa) (500 mcg) Prefilled Syringes in Several Countries Outside of the United States Due to the Presence of Visible Particulates
06/24/2014 Baxter Initiates Voluntary Recall of One Lot of 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP Intravenous (IV) Solution
08/08/2014 Cubist Pharmaceuticals Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Nine Lots of CUBICIN (daptomycin for injection) 500 mg in 10 mL single use vials Following Complaints of Foreign Particulate Matter in Reconstituted Vials
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07/29/2014 Hospira Announces Voluntary Nationwide Recall Of One Lot Of Lidocaine HCI Injection, USP, 2 percent, 20 mg per mL Single-dose Vial, Preservative-free, Due To Particulate Matter
07/21/2014 American Health Packaging Announces the Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Ibuprofen Tablets, USP, 600 mg, 100 Hospital Unit Dose and Oxcarbazepine Tablets, 300 mg, 100 Hospital Unit Dose
07/14/2014 Baxter Initiates Voluntary Worldwide Recall Of Four Lots Of IV Solutions Due To The Presence Of Particulate Matter
07/10/2014 Hospira Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall Of One Lot Of Lactated Ringers And 5% Dextrose Injection, Usp, 1000 Ml, Flexible Containers Due To Mold Contamination
06/30/2014 Bristol-Myers Squibb Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of COUMADIN (Warfarin Sodium) for Injection Due to Presence of Particulate Matter
06/17/2014 Hospira Announces Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of 0.5% Marcaine™ (Bupivacaine HCI Injection, USP), 30 ML, Single-Dose, Preservative-Free Vial Due to Visible Particulates
06/02/2014 Alexion Initiates Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Certain Lots of Soliris® (eculizumab) Concentrated Solution for Intravenous Infusion Due to the Presence of Visible Particulate Matter in a Single Lot
05/28/2014 Fresenius NaturaLyte Liquid Bicarbonate Concentrate (Part Number: 08-4000-LB) - Bacterial Contamination
05/21/2014 Voluntary Nationwide and Canada Recall of NaturaLyte® Liquid Bicarbonate Concentrate Due to Potential Health Risk
05/16/2014 Labetalol Hydrochloride Injection 100 MG/20 ML (5MG/ML), 20 ML, Multidose Vial by Hospira: Recall - Visible Particulates
05/15/2014 Dobutamine Injection (250mg/20mL)/Hospira: Recall - Visible Particulates
05/14/2014 Hospira Announces Voluntary Nationwide Recall Of One Lot Of Dobutamine Injection, USP, 250 MG, 20 ML, Single-Dose Fliptop Vial, Due To Visible Particulates
04/21/2014 Hospira Announces Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of 0.25% Marcaine™ (Bupivacaine HCI Injection, USP), 10 ml, Single-Dose, Preservative-Free Vial Due to Visible Particulates
04/18/2014 Hospira Announces Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of 1% Lidocaine HCI INjection, USP, Due To Visible Particulates
04/18/2014 Cubist Pharmaceuticals Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of One Lot of CUBICIN (daptomycin for injection) 500 mg in 10 mL single use vials Due to Presence of Particulate Matter
04/17/2014 Hospira Announces Nationwide Voluntary Recall of Seven Lots of Propofol Injectable Emulsion, USP, Due to Visible Particulates
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03/12/2014 Pain Free by Nature is Voluntarily Recalling Reumofan Plus Tablets Due to Undeclared Drug Ingredients
03/06/2014 Pfizer Initiates Nationwide Voluntary Recall of Two Lots of Pfizer’s Effexor XR® 150 Mg Extended-Release Capsules and One Lot of Greenstone’s Venlafaxine HCl 150 Mg Extended-Release Capsules Due to the Possible Presence of Tikosyn® Capsules
03/05/2014 Baxter Initiates U.S. Voluntary Recall of One Lot of Peritoneal Dialysis Solution Due to Container-Closure Non-Integrity
02/14/2014 Ben Venue Laboratories, Inc. Issues A Voluntary Nationwide Patient Level Recall Of Acetylcysteine Solution 10%, Usp, Lot 2005479
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01/16/2014 The Mentholatum Company Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Rohto® Eye Drops Made in Vietnam
By the way, did you know that any ingestible substance can kill? Not just vaccines? And that the rate of severe side effects for all these "killers" is very low? Science...
Hoo boy. You got like 15 examples on there, out of how many billions of vials? Smoking gun...
My children, boys and girls, have either gotten it or will get it. The only drawback is the expense. Why is costs ten times more than all the other vaccines is the real issue.
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Someone who is more qualified than I.
From mercola? It's safe to say that whatever is posted by that quack is the exact opposite of the truth. I have to look at ISIS before I find someone I have more contempt for than Mercola.
Actually, the article is from Discover, not Mercola.
The cancer stats are from Cancer.org. Are they quacks and fearmongers, too? The info from their site is from the Amercian Cancer Society.
Google it yourself. Anal cancer in men is about as prevalent as a winning lottery ticket. Not an acceptable risk to inject my son with a vaccine for something that is extremely rare to get.
Again, do the math.
even if the risk cancer were to be low, the risk of vaccine-induced injury is much lower still. So, you do the math.
Look, I truly believe everyone is entitled to do what they want, but Ben dumb stuff. It's a little more dicey when you're talking about impairing the health of children but still..
But, others were asking for advice and it's simply not right to provide misinformation and mislead them.
"even if the risk cancer were to be low, the risk of vaccine-induced injury is much lower still. So, you do the math."
And where are your stats to support your POV? Well, I'm waiting.
"But, others were asking for advice and it's simply not right to provide misinformation and mislead them."
Riiiight, because the CDC and FDA are the absolute final word.
Would you like a list of all the bad drugs that ABSOLUTELY killing people in this country? All you have to do is turn on the TV to see that everything from Redux to Male Hormone Replacement is a galactic pigfuck from hell.
But, hey, the FDA and CDC said so, so you know........
Is this your manifesto on how terrible you are at analyzing statistics and evaluating scientific studies? All the proof you're "waiting" for has been posted multiple times in this thread. There is no more discussion. When someone argues the sky is green and you show them a blue crayon then show them the sky and they STILL tell you it's green. There's nothing left to do but walk away.