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NFT: Mets/Brewers rubber game - Thor comes to Queens!

spike : 5/17/2015 9:42 am
Syndergaard is making his Flushing debut at 1 pm!!

Nice day for baseball  
Giants2012 : 5/17/2015 10:46 am : link
Cut the lawn
Fire up the grill
Open the beer
Yell at the TV

:)
mets lineup  
CGiants07 : 5/17/2015 11:17 am : link
Mets

Curtis Granderson, RF

Eric Campbell, 3B

Lucas Duda, 1B

Michael Cuddyer, LF

Daniel Murphy, 2B

Wilmer Flores, SS

Johnny Monell, C

Noah Syndergaard, RHP

Juan Lagares, CF
Hopefully they still have some hits left  
speedywheels : 5/17/2015 11:44 am : link
After yesterday...
I'd really love to see Thor dominate this Brewers lineup  
PhiPsi125 : 5/17/2015 11:47 am : link
..
I hope he cements his spot in the rotation today  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 11:52 am : link
The sooner he and Matz are out there every 5th day, the better. Neither has anything left to prove at AAA. No point in wasting any more innings.
Interesting report from Rosenthal re: INF when Wright is healthy  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 12:17 pm : link
Supposedly Mets considering moving Flores to 2B and calling up Reynolds when Wright gets healthy (and theoretically trading Murphy). Personally I think that's an excellent idea because it improves the defense around the entire IF and as much as we all put Murphy on a pedestal, Flores has a much higher upside both offensively and defensively. I wanted him to get a fair shot at 2B the entire offseason, at this point I don't if it makes a difference with his throwing issues but I don't want to give up on his bat.
Mets weigh Reynolds callup, Murphy trade, Flores move - ( New Window )
But what do you do with Herrera then?  
arcarsenal : 5/17/2015 12:19 pm : link
I think he's a better prospect than Reynolds is.
Herrera's next man up if Flores flubs for any reason  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 12:33 pm : link
But I think it's a long term decision that's best left until the offseason after seeing what Flores does with the bat over a full season. Herrera still seems to need some seasoning before he's ready to have a meaningful role with the big club anyways.
Murphy  
steve in ky : 5/17/2015 12:54 pm : link
I don't think it is as much as we Murphy on a pedestal but that the guy can flat out hit. Granted he is off to a slower start this season, the whole teams seems to be. But the big question is on a team that has so much trouble hitting if you trade Murphy does Flores or whomever adequately replace him. Trading him before having found out the answer there is a risk. Not saying it shouldn't happen but on a team full of anemic hitters they would be giving up one of their better hitters.

Murphy is one of the few Mets that does well in clutch situations. Here are his clutch stats.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=murphda08&year=Career&t=b#clutc
I totally get the thought process behind keeping Murphy  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 1:07 pm : link
and he's absolutely one of the guys on the roster I'd trust most to put the bat on the ball in a big spot. But at some point they need to start solving long term problems. For a while now we've known that Murphy isn't getting resigned. IMO it's always been debatable as to how much his defense/baserunning balance out anything he does with the bat. Flores at SS will never be an ideal long term solution, even if it's workable.

At this point Flores has shown a knack for getting hits in big spots and I don't think it's far fetched to see him hitting 20 HRs this year. That's the stock I would be looking to invest in over the rest of the season and I think the best investment in him is at the less demanding defensive position (2B) with a stronger defensive player next to him.
It's just tough..  
arcarsenal : 5/17/2015 1:10 pm : link
Because Flores isn't going to be able to stay at 2B long-term. So even if you put him there and he's more natural there defensively, there's nowhere to put Herrera. Then we'd either have to trade Flores or put him back at SS anyway. And then there's Reynolds as well.

Someone's just going to have to get moved or be the odd man out. Even if Murphy isn't back next year, we are going to have 3 players and only to Middle IF positions to fill. Better to have this problem than the alternative, but...
I wish someone would do so well that it makes the choice obvious  
steve in ky : 5/17/2015 1:16 pm : link
nobody has ceased the opportunity that is clearly there for them, and that's troubling as well. What you want is for someone to just take the job.
Wow  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 1:18 pm : link
pitching inside, I like it
Nice start for the rookie  
steve in ky : 5/17/2015 1:18 pm : link
I hope they give him some run support today.
Like to see the change off the heat  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 1:21 pm : link
if he can spot it in the zone

And Curtis is heating up!
Someone will definitely have to get moved  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 1:21 pm : link
but I don't see any reason Flores can't stick at 2B long term. Certainly far less concerns with that prospect than with his present situation. I like Herrera's athleticism better long term, but who knows how high Flores' upside is with the bat? I'm not ready to say Flores can't play his best position because Herrera is that good. Let's see where Flores' season ends up. We've seen that Herrera isn't quite ready yet, Reynolds deserves the next shot at the ML level.
There we go  
steve in ky : 5/17/2015 1:21 pm : link
Looks like Grandy is heating up
Curtis crushed that one,.  
arcarsenal : 5/17/2015 1:21 pm : link
Even further than last night
Granderson heating up is nice  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 1:24 pm : link
Duda waking up again is even better. If Cuddyer can keep things going as Wright slides back in this could be the start of another streak.
Duda has been a double machine this season  
steve in ky : 5/17/2015 1:24 pm : link
Maybe he is coming out of his funk
And that's why you always run it out  
steve in ky : 5/17/2015 1:25 pm : link
Nice hustle
Thor is nasty  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 1:32 pm : link
I don't know how you can take him out of the rotation for Gee.
He will be fun to watch  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 1:34 pm : link
grow and mature as a pitcher with hellacious stuff
It would be borderline criminal to put Gee back in this rotation spot.  
arcarsenal : 5/17/2015 1:35 pm : link
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RE: Thor is nasty  
steve in ky : 5/17/2015 1:35 pm : link
In comment 12289969 Eric on Li said:
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I don't know how you can take him out of the rotation for Gee.


Yeah, that's what I was talking about earlier. If we could just have one of the infielders do that.
All of these guys will be - it's insane  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 1:36 pm : link
Thor, Matz, JdG, Harvey, Wheeler, Montero. I don't know how you begin to parse whose stuff is better between the first 5.
You don't trade this kind of pitcher  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 1:38 pm : link
you just don't see this kind of stuff everyday. Imagine ifMatz is as advertised?
The pitching is unreal  
steve in ky : 5/17/2015 1:41 pm : link
As I watch them it makes me want a defensive ss even more. Give these young pitchers that and with Legaras in CF and sit back and watch the magic.

These guys are going to be fun to watch in the coming years.
I don't see Alderson trading Thor, Matz or any player w/ elite upside  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 1:42 pm : link
Those guys are too rare. I could see him packaging Montero with a position player who loses as a spot (like Plawecki or Herrera), but that's about the max I see him dealing. Sidenote - I want to make that trade for Carlos Gomez.
That truly is a  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 1:49 pm : link
hook from hell. He can throw just his curveball
I think Gomez just missed that one  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 1:49 pm : link
but those first 2 breaking balls were damn impressive.
He did just miss it  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 1:54 pm : link
but he did miss it

Duda doubles
Duda  
spike : 5/17/2015 1:55 pm : link
another double.

Big AB for Flores here  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 1:57 pm : link
Needs to produce good ABs in situations like this.
thor is really, really good  
GMenLTS : 5/17/2015 2:09 pm : link
.
Yes he  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 2:09 pm : link
is indeed
.  
spike : 5/17/2015 2:20 pm : link
Come on cuddy  
GMenLTS : 5/17/2015 2:24 pm : link
break it open
Good time to keep the good vibes going  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 2:24 pm : link
Cuddyer has been a little overaggressive so far at the plate today. I like that he's looking to get a hit but he if he waits for a pitch here, he'll get something good.
perfectly executed Cuddyer!  
GMenLTS : 5/17/2015 2:25 pm : link
well done, sir!
nice time  
spike : 5/17/2015 2:26 pm : link
to get the offense back on track because the Cards are coming next
Random thought  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 2:28 pm : link
Lagares + Montero + solid 3rd piece (obviously not Thor/Matz) for Gomez - do you do it?
That was big for Cuddyer  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 2:28 pm : link
if he popped it up, bad things would of been in his head. He hit in a hitters count and produced
That was strike three  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 2:32 pm : link
he fooled the ump
You want to trade this for a  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 2:34 pm : link
Jim Fergosi type? I've lived through that once and still am not over it
RE: Random thought  
spike : 5/17/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12290014 Eric on Li said:
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Lagares + Montero + solid 3rd piece (obviously not Thor/Matz) for Gomez - do you do it?


No. Lagares is untouchable
Is it fair to say Thor's first 2 starts  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 2:40 pm : link
have been as good or better than the other recent debuts? JdG might have been slightly more impressive given the situation, but he also benefited from being far more under the radar. Thor's control looks better than Wheeler's did early. Harvey had a different energy from day 1 and knowing what he is makes it hard to compare.
Again if Matz is what the scouts say he is  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 2:41 pm : link
Wheeler comes back and is Wheeler, it is an almost unimaginable rotation that I've never seen in my lifetime as a Met fan
This rotation  
spike : 5/17/2015 2:45 pm : link
has the potential to be better than the Nats.

Now the bats need to wake up.

Harvey, DeGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler/Matz, Niese netx season. Gee is the long man.

IF he stays healthy, Niese gets traded mid season 2016 for Matz' Super TWO arrival
shite  
spike : 5/17/2015 2:45 pm : link
Syndergaarad just threw the hammer down on Gomez
Glad Gomez appears to be ok  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 2:49 pm : link
this is a good test to see how Thor controls the emotions here. Hopefully he can settle down and move past it.
freckin  
spike : 5/17/2015 2:56 pm : link
Ryan juicer Braun
Noah  
spike : 5/17/2015 2:59 pm : link
is hitting a wall here. time to start up the pen
I am sorry that Gomez got hit  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 3:02 pm : link
I hope he is OK. It just got away from him. But, for Syndergaard working out of it giving up just a run on not too bad of a pitch to Braun should pay dividends for Thor
Thor did his job.  
Ira : 5/17/2015 3:02 pm : link
He had a very good first home outing.
Robles throwing serious  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 3:48 pm : link
gas
Marlins fired  
CMicks3110 : 5/17/2015 3:50 pm : link
Mike Redmond
.  
CMicks3110 : 5/17/2015 3:50 pm : link
Rising Apple @RisingAppleBlog
RT @MarlinManiac: Breaking: Mike Redmond out as #Marlins manager
RE: I am sorry that Gomez got hit  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 4:28 pm : link
In comment 12290046 Headhunter said:
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I hope he is OK. It just got away from him. But, for Syndergaard working out of it giving up just a run on not too bad of a pitch to Braun should pay dividends for Thor


Only correction he needs to make going forward is continuing to attack the inside part of the plate. Keith said it during the AB with Braun that he was away with everything, and I just saw some post-game comments from Thor that he was initially rattled and hesitant to go back inside. I actually think it's great he freely admitted that, realized it, and can hopefully learn from it in the future.
They are going to talk about  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 4:29 pm : link
the rotation going forward. That has to be a very short conversation I would think
No way can they send Thor down  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2015 4:32 pm : link
Learning from experiences like today is the exact thing that his development needs that he just can't get in AAA. Working through the psychological stuff that happens when it's Carlos Gomez and Ryan Braun that are up at bat.
I would think that the decision has been  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 4:48 pm : link
made that the Thor era has begun. His next start is next Friday against the Pirates, Gee is rehabbing so there is no need to do anything for a few days. Encouraging that Wright will begin baseball activities on Monday
Is this the 3rd week in a row now...  
arcarsenal : 5/17/2015 5:15 pm : link
...that Wright was supposed to resume baseball activities on Monday?

At this point, I guess I'll believe it when I see it because apparently it did not happen last Monday or the one before.

Excellent outing for Thor today and a solid W overall. Hopefully we're getting back on track a bit here.
What this team needs is a couple of great trades for hitters  
81_Great_Dane : 5/17/2015 6:43 pm : link
in the class of Neil Allen and Rick Ownby for Keith Hernandez, or Hubie Brooks and some decent prospects for Gary Carter. They need to consolidate their talent, flip some surplus good-to-very-good prospects into a couple of elite players while keeping their own top prospects. Hard to pull off nowadays but not impossible.

It'd be even better if they turned up an elite position player or three from their farm system.
RE: Is this the 3rd week in a row now...  
Johnny Boy : 5/17/2015 7:09 pm : link
In comment 12290117 arcarsenal said:
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...that Wright was supposed to resume baseball activities on Monday?

At this point, I guess I'll believe it when I see it because apparently it did not happen last Monday or the one before.

Excellent outing for Thor today and a solid W overall. Hopefully we're getting back on track a bit here.

It's time to realize that David Wright is the second coming of Big Pussy.
I'm paraphrasing cause I can't link from phone  
Headhunter : 5/17/2015 7:15 pm : link
Carlos Gomez asks " how could the Blue Jays trade him to the Mets?" "He is going to be so good I can't wait to face him again"
I like Gomez and was glad to hear  
Ira : 5/17/2015 8:48 pm : link
that the early word is that he didn't have a concussion - just facial bruising.
RE: What this team needs is a couple of great trades for hitters  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/17/2015 8:59 pm : link
In comment 12290155 81_Great_Dane said:
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in the class of Neil Allen and Rick Ownby for Keith Hernandez, or Hubie Brooks and some decent prospects for Gary Carter. They need to consolidate their talent, flip some surplus good-to-very-good prospects into a couple of elite players while keeping their own top prospects. Hard to pull off nowadays but not impossible.

It'd be even better if they turned up an elite position player or three from their farm system.


I don't disagree with your point, but trouble is what are you comfortable giving up?

If you want a great hitter in this era, (and if anyone has noticed, we're absolutely in a pitching-dominatined era) you have to give up a great pitcher. You're just not getting good hitters for free anymore. And if you want a power hitter? Good luck. Feels like taking roids and other meds out of the game has had a far-reaching effect.
were are 1 great hitter from being a really good team  
CGiants07 : 5/17/2015 9:27 pm : link
...giving up 1 stud pitcher wouldn't kill us if come june to july we want to add something
RE: No way can they send Thor down  
CGiants07 : 5/17/2015 9:31 pm : link
In comment 12290095 Eric on Li said:
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Learning from experiences like today is the exact thing that his development needs that he just can't get in AAA. Working through the psychological stuff that happens when it's Carlos Gomez and Ryan Braun that are up at bat.


if he pitches like he has the first 2 times out tell gee to get his bp game in gear
What would the return on Thor be  
Giants2012 : 5/17/2015 9:39 pm : link
on the market?
The only top prospect  
spike : 5/17/2015 9:50 pm : link
tradeable is Montero. Top five stays.

All position players are expendable except Lagares. Im open to trading DW

I don't see Wilpon trading Wright  
Ira : 5/18/2015 6:13 am : link
and with constant minor injuries and his high contract, I don't see anyone else willing to take him.
I'm not trading our top 5 young arms  
Headhunter : 5/18/2015 6:48 am : link
It is freaky that they all seem to be working out. Next up Matz. They could plug a Tovar or Gullorme at SS and put Flores at 2nd and I'd take my chances winning 2-1 or 3-2.
RE: I don't see Wilpon trading Wright  
Shecky : 5/18/2015 7:12 am : link
In comment 12290453 Ira said:
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and with constant minor injuries and his high contract, I don't see anyone else willing to take him.


Serious question. How come us fans never view our own players as worth anything, but comparable players on other teams we debate how big of a package to offer. Then say the other team would laugh at our offers as being too little?
RE: The only top prospect  
Giants2012 : 5/18/2015 7:22 am : link
In comment 12290306 spike said:
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tradeable is Montero. Top five stays.

All position players are expendable except Lagares. Im open to trading DW


In other words, just another day as a Mets fan. We don't want to even disucss trading anything but lesser talent and get blindsided by losses.

Now that DW's wheels are falling off lol.
Craig Counsell  
Headhunter : 5/18/2015 7:28 am : link
"He is one of the hardest throwers we've seen this year" considering that Chapman, Wacka, Coles in the Central Division alone, that is saying something
RE: RE: I don't see Wilpon trading Wright  
PhiPsi125 : 5/18/2015 7:36 am : link
In comment 12290460 Shecky said:
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In comment 12290453 Ira said:


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and with constant minor injuries and his high contract, I don't see anyone else willing to take him.



Serious question. How come us fans never view our own players as worth anything, but comparable players on other teams we debate how big of a package to offer. Then say the other team would laugh at our offers as being too little?


Fair point and good question.

Another thing...take Tulo out of Colorado and DW is the better offensive player. And it's probably not close. Can't wait for the captain to come back.
Any speculation on the new Marlins manager?  
Shecky : 5/18/2015 7:58 am : link
I haven't personally heard anything, but was wondering about who they plan to bring in. It won't be a no name, and it won't be a big money signing - so I am lost as to even make a guess at who it could be. Has anyone heard anything?
They are naming Dan Jennings their GM with 0  
Headhunter : 5/18/2015 8:02 am : link
Managerial experience as their new Manager. That banging sound you hear is Giancarlo Stanton banging his head against the wall
RE: They are naming Dan Jennings their GM with 0  
Shecky : 5/18/2015 8:09 am : link
In comment 12290479 Headhunter said:
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Managerial experience as their new Manager. That banging sound you hear is Giancarlo Stanton banging his head against the wall


You serious or joking? Sad, with the Marlins you never can tell...
It's all over  
Headhunter : 5/18/2015 8:10 am : link
serious as a heart attack
RE: It's all over  
Shecky : 5/18/2015 8:14 am : link
In comment 12290485 Headhunter said:
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serious as a heart attack


Wow!!! Hiring a scout as your manager?? Even for the Marlins, that's a new low...
The Marlins are terribly run.  
arcarsenal : 5/18/2015 8:31 am : link
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really how low is it?  
pjcas18 : 5/18/2015 8:35 am : link
scouts becomes GM's if they're good an their careers ascend, and let's face it, baseball manager is not exactly rocket science. there have been some pretty poor managers with managerial experience, I find this approach outside the box and refreshing instead of hiring retread after retread (yes you art howe and terry collins).

honestly I can't say I'd prefer Terry Collins over their manager - and I know zero about him.
Marlins are a VERY young locker room  
Shecky : 5/18/2015 9:00 am : link
EXTREMELY dangerous without a strong leader, especially if he doesn't grab them by the throat and get the respect. Media will have a field day with this regardless of how Loria and Samson try to spin this. The worst thing Marlins need to deal with is their league low payroll and how they cheated out on a manager. This doesn't work and they face the horrible choice of blowing it all up. Again. Goodbye TV contract, hello new owner...
Gomez is a class act. Two tweets to Thor -  
Ira : 5/18/2015 9:17 am : link
Carlos Gomez ✔@C_Gomez27
@Noahsyndergaard Thx for the concern bro, it's part of the game. Thank God I'm ok. Keep up the good work, ur going to be a great pitcher!
9:12 PM - 17 May 2015



Carlos GomezVerified account
‏@C_Gomez27
@Noahsyndergaard Put that behind you brother, continue to work hard. Good luck and God bless!!
Gomez  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2015 9:25 am : link
is considered an A+ teammate as well. He showboats so "he must be a dick".
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