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UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 1:28 pm
is tonight at 10, looks like it's 75 minutes according to my DVR. I've watched this season later in the week but will stay up so there are no spoilers.

I'm thinking The entire episode will be Don centric with a few 3-5 minute scenes to wrap up Roger, Peggy, and Joan. The big question for me is whether Don returns home or not; no idea what route they will take. I'm in the camp the camp that thinks he's trying to shed Don Draper but will ultimately get sucked back in once he reaches some semblance of happiness as DW.
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suicide  
data_stata : 5/17/2015 1:42 pm : link
Rumours for him too. Marathon on all day ive been watching. Got game of thrones right before too.

I see what your saying but you dont see any big splash?
UConn  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 1:51 pm : link
I usually watch it Monday night, but I'll be up for it live tonight because odds are I'll here/see something about it tomorrow & I don't want to take the chance.

My guess is that Don ends up back in NYC, Peggy continues her ascent, & Roger moves on.
I used to think don would kill himself  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 1:57 pm : link
but I honestly don't expect a big splash. After loving it out west only to have that halted by the death of his ex wife, forcing him back to NYC as Don Draper seems the most likely outcome for me. He will arrive with Sally not needing him, and his two sons already being cared for. Something will keep him in NYC to continue his misery (another waitress, perhaps).

I can't see Weiner doing a heel turn and making it a happy ending. At this point, I don't think I want to see that either.
RE: I used to think don would kill himself  
data_stata : 5/17/2015 2:05 pm : link
In comment 12289999 UConn4523 said:
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but I honestly don't expect a big splash. After loving it out west only to have that halted by the death of his ex wife, forcing him back to NYC as Don Draper seems the most likely outcome for me. He will arrive with Sally not needing him, and his two sons already being cared for. Something will keep him in NYC to continue his misery (another waitress, perhaps). Hour n a half you said? Wow

I can't see Weiner doing a heel turn and making it a happy ending. At this point, I don't think I want to see that either.
Roger has heart problems for years  
tommy boy : 5/17/2015 2:18 pm : link
so I think his demise tonight will greatly hurt Don
Also I don't know if Betty will pass in tonights episode
but that's possible also

Joan and Don will realize they are good together

and Peggy and Stan will get together
Don has evolved  
Alan in Toledo : 5/17/2015 2:50 pm : link
and it could be said his personal growth is at the heart of the series. He seems ready to move towards a career of his own choosing (as opposed to his haphazardly obtained position in advertising).
I hope that Don Drap dies in the metaphorical sense  
JerryNYG : 5/17/2015 2:51 pm : link
That he continues the process of shedding the trappings of his life built on lies and that he finds some form of peace out on the West Coast.

I think that Betty is already dead...  
BMac : 5/17/2015 3:10 pm : link
...by her own hand. Peggy, Joan, and Pete are done. Roger dies, one way or another. Sally makes a last appearance, probably via telephone.

The last shot will be Don at Big Sur, staring out at the ocean. Perhaps someone comes along and says hello. Don greets them with his name, but it isn't Draper or Whitman.

Fade to black. End music is Carole King, "It's Too Late."
RE: I think that Betty is already dead...  
data_stata : 5/17/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12290053 BMac said:
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...by her own hand. Peggy, Joan, and Pete are done. Roger dies, one way or another. Sally makes a last appearance, probably via telephone.

The last shot will be Don at Big Sur, staring out at the ocean. Perhaps someone comes along and says hello. Don greets them with his name, but it isn't Draper or Whitman.

Fade to black. End music is Carole King, "It's Too Late."

If that happens your a prophet
Yeah, I think they're going to do a time jump for the last episode...  
Crispino : 5/17/2015 3:50 pm : link
6 months, maybe a year after the last episode. Betty my be dead already. Joan is married. I don't think they'll kill off Roger. He'll just move on to something else because he's one of those people who always lands on his feet. The final focus will be on Don, Peggy, and Sally.
My bet  
ThreePoints : 5/17/2015 6:06 pm : link
Peggy creates the famous "It's the real thing" Coke ad.

Don returns to NYC and work after Betty dies. Don steps up as a father, but the kids remain with Henry. Don goes back to work.
Agree that it will jump ahead  
bluepepper : 5/17/2015 7:01 pm : link
a few years. The last scene will be a homage to the final scene of S1E1 when Don took the train home after a day of womanizing and carousing. That one was a shocker since he seemed anything but the family man. Now, we'll see the same basic sequence but think he's a typical suburban dad. Working a boring (non-ad) job in the city and coming home to his kids and maybe a new unglamorous 3rd wife.
Not sure about it jumping ahead  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 7:43 pm : link
atleast not far enough for significant life changes that we don't already know about. I can see it picking up at Betty's funeral, but no further than that.
Don't forget Pete's plane  
mikeygiants : 5/17/2015 7:45 pm : link
crash, I banked it last week. I'd hope that it's mostly about Draper, but there are a lot of loose ends to tie up. It'll be 75 minutes of bouncing around and then a final 10 minutes of wrapping up Don. I don't see suicide as his final act, but I agree that it could involve an identity change. He could burn the bridge to his life and start anew with the waitress.
Don hooks up with  
B in ALB : 5/17/2015 7:55 pm : link
Conrad Hilton again. Piggy becomes the first female Creative Director. Roger retires with his cash only to die alone from liver failure. Pete and the hotness that is Trudy live happily ever after. Other than when she met me and I took her ass to town. IM goin to Wichita!

Doesn't matter as long as Dons busted ex wife and her junk mouth tic tacs don't make another appearance.

Sadly, Birdie dies. But Don steps up to be a dad.
RE: RE: I think that Betty is already dead...  
BMac : 5/17/2015 8:07 pm : link
In comment 12290060 data_stata said:
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In comment 12290053 BMac said:


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...by her own hand. Peggy, Joan, and Pete are done. Roger dies, one way or another. Sally makes a last appearance, probably via telephone.

The last shot will be Don at Big Sur, staring out at the ocean. Perhaps someone comes along and says hello. Don greets them with his name, but it isn't Draper or Whitman.

Fade to black. End music is Carole King, "It's Too Late."


If that happens your a prophet


If that happens, I'll be the luckiest guesser on the face of the Earth.
I got the feeling he is going to go back  
Essex : 5/17/2015 8:50 pm : link
And take care of kids. The conversation with the guy who stole the money last week convinced me of it. Don put himself over his family in the first couple of episodes, when his brother came. I don't think he will abandon his kids. With that said, it would be totally out of character for him to do put his family first, because it was never important to him.
Maybe they all become the  
mikeygiants : 5/17/2015 8:52 pm : link
Whitman family.
Every story but dons is compelling right now  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 10:56 pm : link
really hope the last 20 minutes delivers.
is Don in a coma or something  
B in ALB : 5/17/2015 11:09 pm : link
from the war? This sucks so far.
That sucked until the last minute  
Essex : 5/17/2015 11:16 pm : link
When it turned brilliant on a dime
Not a fan of that ending...  
jcn56 : 5/17/2015 11:17 pm : link
.
Wow  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 11:18 pm : link
epically corny. Brilliant is not the word I would use.
Pointless  
HomerJones45 : 5/17/2015 11:19 pm : link
Brilliantly pointless. It's like they had no idea how to tie up Draper. He abandons his kids, maintains his stolen identity, and goes out with a smirk.
Bad last show...  
Jimmy Googs : 5/17/2015 11:20 pm : link
but good ending of the last show.
No  
Essex : 5/17/2015 11:21 pm : link
He went back and used his journey to create an iconic commercial
Wish I just watched it tomorrow  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 11:22 pm : link
I didn't miss anything and stayed up for nothing.
Ugh.  
ThreePoints : 5/17/2015 11:23 pm : link
Disappointing. The best relationship in this show -- Don and Sally -- ends with her hanging up on Don. Joan gets more air time than needed in this last episode, and for what?

This season should have flipped -- Don starting in California, ending in NYC. But nope.

Never missed an episode  
steviej : 5/17/2015 11:23 pm : link
This one I should've MISSED
Even worse  
HomerJones45 : 5/17/2015 11:24 pm : link
so, all that stuff at the end about new identity and this catharsis with hugging that sad sack had nothing to do with growth- it was just grist for another ad?
Did Weiner also write  
steviej : 5/17/2015 11:26 pm : link
That brilliant Sopranos last episode also
Wasn't Don kind of a user  
Essex : 5/17/2015 11:26 pm : link
He didn't need to grow; he started the series on top and by the end it appears he remains on top.
The retreat  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 11:26 pm : link
was the laziest way imaginable to show Don hit rock bottom and stumble on an ad, of all things.
well it couldn't have ended any worse than that for the don story  
GMenLTS : 5/17/2015 11:27 pm : link
Like the way they tied things up for everyone else but that's one lame ass ending for don.
The sopranos sucked  
Essex : 5/17/2015 11:27 pm : link
For the exact opposite reason this didn't. You know he is going back to being don draper. The sopranos had no ending
Honestly, I thought he might throw himself off the cliff  
ThreePoints : 5/17/2015 11:28 pm : link
And I might have preferred that.
Along with whoever  
HomerJones45 : 5/17/2015 11:29 pm : link
told Weiner this was a good way to end it.
Again, it's incredibly sad  
ThreePoints : 5/17/2015 11:33 pm : link
that the best relationship on the show, Don and Sally who had perhaps the highest moment (Valentine's Day) and one of the lowest moments (the bus stop) was reduced to a phone call in the last episode.

Joan and Mr. Rich Guy had more screen time than Don and Sally in Season 7B, and that's criminal.
what  
giantfan2000 : 5/17/2015 11:33 pm : link
thought it was amazing

Don used his spiritual journey to create one of the most iconic advertising campaigns of all time

the only false note was stan and peggy it was very rom com
RE: what  
ThreePoints : 5/17/2015 11:36 pm : link
In comment 12290399 giantfan2000 said:
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thought it was amazing

Don used his spiritual journey to create one of the most iconic advertising campaigns of all time

the only false note was stan and peggy it was very rom com


Yeah, but Peggy deserved creating it. Or, it would have been nice to see Don actually, ya know, work.
well the timing is correct  
HomerJones45 : 5/17/2015 11:37 pm : link
that ad had its debut in 1971. I can't believe they had episode on episode of tortured Don and this catharsis - to produce a fucking commercial iconic or not.
RE: what  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/17/2015 11:39 pm : link
In comment 12290399 giantfan2000 said:
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thought it was amazing

Don used his spiritual journey to create one of the most iconic advertising campaigns of all time

the only false note was stan and peggy it was very rom com


Is the implication that he wrote it?
McCann Erickson  
HomerJones45 : 5/17/2015 11:45 pm : link
was the ad agency that produced the commercial and the ad came out in July, 1971. We know the show ends in November, 1970 because Joan had a calendar in back of her.

I just don't believe all the hysterics with Don brought out something as banal as a Coke ad.
I think the ending moral is  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/17/2015 11:52 pm : link
You can't run from yourself and be what you're not. Pete realized that being a husband and father was who he should be, and he had to grasp it. Joan realized that she had to stop letting men get in the way of her dreams. Roger finally found a kindred spirt with whom he could be his real self, warts and all. Peggy realized she needed someone to share her life and passions with in order to achieve true fulfillment. And Don realized that he IS Don Draper -- that's what he made himself into, and that's who he is. He stops feeling guilty about leaving Dick Whitman behind, because that's not who he really was. You're what you make yourself, not what you're born as.

That doesn't necessarily mean he has to be a cad. Really that's part of the Dick Whitman that he's leaving behind anyway. Well never know exactly how his personal life worked out, but owning who you are probably puts him on good ground to straighten it out.

Night all!
well the hints  
giantfan2000 : 5/17/2015 11:53 pm : link
peggy goes
"come back .. people missed you
and there is coke "

so the implication is he did come back
and that is the results
I liked it  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/17/2015 11:53 pm : link
...it was compelling, and you know what happens in his future without getting hit over the head with a club.
more proof  
giantfan2000 : 5/18/2015 12:01 am : link


left girl at desk
right girl in coke commercial
RE: I think the ending moral is  
HomerJones45 : 5/18/2015 12:13 am : link
In comment 12290412 Jim in Fairfax said:
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You can't run from yourself and be what you're not. Pete realized that being a husband and father was who he should be, and he had to grasp it. Joan realized that she had to stop letting men get in the way of her dreams. Roger finally found a kindred spirt with whom he could be his real self, warts and all. Peggy realized she needed someone to share her life and passions with in order to achieve true fulfillment. And Don realized that he IS Don Draper -- that's what he made himself into, and that's who he is. He stops feeling guilty about leaving Dick Whitman behind, because that's not who he really was. You're what you make yourself, not what you're born as.

That doesn't necessarily mean he has to be a cad. Really that's part of the Dick Whitman that he's leaving behind anyway. Well never know exactly how his personal life worked out, but owning who you are probably puts him on good ground to straighten it out.

Night all!
Eh, I can see some of that. Pete tried to be his father and it didn't work out as it is not really him. Roger stops trying to bang younger women and settles down with someone his own age. I think you got Joan right. Peggy has wanted a man since day one and she got one-you could see that story line coming a million miles away.

The only one who did something different was DD. He was able to run away from his identity and re-invent himself. For all his preaching to the kid about not running away from yourself, that is exactly what he did.
agreed  
giantfan2000 : 5/18/2015 12:19 am : link
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He stops feeling guilty about leaving Dick Whitman behind, because that's not who he really was. You're what you make yourself, not what you're born as.


Exactly this last season He left his job , family , car ,kids
the implication that Don Draper was going to disappear
in fact it is Dick Whitman who is the one that disappears

The guru at the retreat had the last words in the episode "Embrace the New You" . the new you is not Dick Whitman but Don Draper.
not a big fan  
bluepepper : 5/18/2015 12:36 am : link
of that ending. Too corny. And everyone lives happily ever after (save Betty). Joan gets her business going. Pete living large and back with Trudy. Peggy flourishing at McCann and in love. Roger with a woman his own age and a real match for him. And Don I suppose creating the best commercial of all time.

Maybe it will grow on me but first impression is it was not consistent with what we've been watching for seven years.
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