that I don't think readers could spoil anything. The readers are almost as much in the dark as the non-readers. I disagree about Theon though. Since Sansa returned I think "Reak" is remembering who he was and feeling more guilt than ever. He was also allowed to refer to himself as Theon, Ward of Eddard Stark. Stating that aloud, remembering his place in Winterfell, and seeing Sansa raped just might be enough to spur him into some kind of action.
Anyone else notice Lost's Mr. Ego as the slave trader?
where I just want to know how the "Game" ends. Who is sitting the Iron Throne when the screen goes black on the final episode? Does Danaerys come to Westeros to battle the Army of the Dead? What's Jon Snow's role in this? I can do without all the other stuff. The Bolton/Stannis showdown interests me, but I feel like neither side plays a big role in whatever the conclusion of the story is anyway. I feel like we're all just in limbo now.
I think about 10% if even that of the source material is now being adapted. Books 4 and 5 were not the greatest but neither is this. Both versions of this story are dying at the exact same point. And the ironic thing is neither can be blamed on the other. They're adapting such little from the books you can't blame George and the fact that books 4 and 5 were rather weak, for the decline in the show.
I thought this was the worst episode Bryan Cogman who is a good writer has written to date. The Sand Snakes are something you'd see on a comedy sketch show that satirizes the series. They're that awful. I can't for the life of me figure out why the omit so many amazing characters and decide to keep the freaking Sand Snakes of all people.
That episode was so offensive on so many levels, this season has been so disappointing. But then books 4 & 5 sucked too.
Love the non-book threads. I learn so much about the books.
GoT threads have gotta contain the most self righteous whining on BBI. And there's a ,ethic ton of that garbage spewed here daily. Nothing was spoiled or ruined. Have a coke and a smile Francis.
and Jamie and Bronn's attempted capture of Myrcella was so anticlimactic. It was almost as bad as when Theon's sister attempted to rescue him from jail, but then just said, "Ah, fuck it" and left.
And, suddenly, from out of nowhere, this Sparrows religious cult we never heard of before has an awful lot of power, huh? They can imprison the sitting queen? Umm, OK.
The show is still worth watching for a lot of reasons, but it hasn't been great for some time.
where I just want to know how the "Game" ends. Who is sitting the Iron Throne when the screen goes black on the final episode? Does Danaerys come to Westeros to battle the Army of the Dead? What's Jon Snow's role in this? I can do without all the other stuff. The Bolton/Stannis showdown interests me, but I feel like neither side plays a big role in whatever the conclusion of the story is anyway. I feel like we're all just in limbo now.
I'm kind of back to feeling that way a little bit myself. Okay fine, Mr. Martin, I get it -- sometimes the bad guys win, sometimes evil deeds go unpunished, sometimes there is no justice. But are we just being taken for a sadistic ride through a land where the protagonists never win by a madly cackling nihilist? Sometimes it seems that way.
Ayra need story needs to pick up, I do like everything with Cersie and Margory though. Sea Snake fight scene sucked although Bronn is always entertaining.
I love Bronn and I'm glad the show created more storyline for him. However, is anyone else concerned that Bronn is going to die? He did get cut in that fight and it's already been established that the Sand Snakes' father was partial to a poisoned blade...
but by watching this snooze-fest of a season I am worried about Jon Snow. In the coming attractions they seemed to be setting up his down fall.. I get a bad feeling about his character.
Disappointed that Theon didn't do something to save Sansa from that dip-shit. Maybe he still will next episode..? who knows? They might pick up where it ended.
The whole faceless assassin and Arya storyline is boring. I am growing really tired of that.
Tyrion is my favorite and I cannot wait till he gets to Dany but that seems like it is going to take all of this season and then some.. painful
Ayra need story needs to pick up, I do like everything with Cersie and Margory though. Sea Snake fight scene sucked although Bronn is always entertaining.
I agree.. I wasn't too impressed with those girls fighting..Bronn is awesome and is always entertaining.
Ayra need story needs to pick up, I do like everything with Cersie and Margory though. Sea Snake fight scene sucked although Bronn is always entertaining.
I agree.. I wasn't too impressed with those girls fighting..Bronn is awesome and is always entertaining.
This.
It was reminiscent of the Theone rescue as someone stated above. And to be completely honest it was almost comical. These two clowns just roll right into the middle of the enemies quarters dressed like clowns and just approach the girl while she's with the prince. It had a Monty Python feel to it.
In the past seasons I thought HBO usually took a break on Memorial Day weekend setting up the last 3 or 4 episodes. Looks like we will have an episode on Sunday.
Ayra need story needs to pick up, I do like everything with Cersie and Margory though. Sea Snake fight scene sucked although Bronn is always entertaining.
I agree.. I wasn't too impressed with those girls fighting..Bronn is awesome and is always entertaining.
This.
It was reminiscent of the Theone rescue as someone stated above. And to be completely honest it was almost comical. These two clowns just roll right into the middle of the enemies quarters dressed like clowns and just approach the girl while she's with the prince. It had a Monty Python feel to it.
I could do without the Sand Snakes altogether. Jaime's whole Dornish adventure is very ill-conceived. But I got the sense that these guys were all allowed into the Gardens so that they could be captured in the act. Doctor Bashir now has the Sand Snakes out of the way and massive leverage over Cersi if need be.
And I guess Im the only one who likes the Arya story line. Then again, I've been tired of Dany forever, and she's the most popular story on the show it seems.
but I think it's been a very good season. Only storyline that's struggling a bit is Arya.
ITA. In fact, the most interested I've been in Arya's storyline was yesterday when Haqar was hitting her for lying about her feelings for The Hound. Otherwise, I've really enjoyed the rest of the storylines.
However, I'm in total agreement that the Jamie/Bronn/Sand Snakes/Dorne scene from yesterday's ep was poorly done.
When Tyrion tells Jorah about his father's death. Really good scene for both.
The House of Faces was awesome, way better then what I had imagined while reading the book.
Not so thrilled with the entire Ramsey/Sansa story line at all for many reasons, mostly because the result is so predictable. Let's hope Sansa manages to flay Ramsey at some point, as long as the show writers think their fan fiction version of Sansa's story is an improvement on the original.
And the entire Dorne story is a mess, only to be capped by the awful Sand Snake fight scene. Try comparing that mess to Oberyn's awesome fight against the Mountain last season.
What a shame and a waste of what really should be a good and compelling Dorne story line. Alexander Siddig playing Doran is mostly ignored while they focus on the cartoon like Sand Snakes.
that last nights episode was lacking. IMO, the whole religious angle where they're basically running the city is just not interesting and doesn't make much sense at all. I don't know if that's in the books or not but it's completely out of left field and seems like something the writers just threw in there.
IIRC from earlier in the season, the religious uprising is in
large part a response to the wars of the kingdom and the fact that harvesting season was almost completely eliminated, leading to a lot of poverty and starvation.
I think Cersei created the Faith Militant as a way to shore up her power after her Uncle Kevan left back to Casterly Rock, essentially taking much of the Lannister force with him.
Or, in other words, Cersei thinks she's 3 steps quicker than everyone, cementing her place with a religious organization that has largely been subservient to the crown in the past, and a way to rid herself of her reliance on family she doesn't trust.
The Loras trial is essentially a dry run for her own trial for banging Lancel. She doesn't even realize she's setting herself up while at the same time alienating the only people who could help her (the Tyrells). Easily the dumbest person in KL right now.
As I told my wife, Cersei thinks she's the smartest person in the
Yeah, Cersei never thinks beyond the next move. Tywin was a very strategic thinker, but Cersei lacks the wits to compete with Olenna, Littlefinger, etc.
The Loras trial is essentially a dry run for her own trial for banging Lancel. She doesn't even realize she's setting herself up while at the same time alienating the only people who could help her (the Tyrells). Easily the dumbest person in KL right now.
In addition, when Tommen visited the Sept, people were shouting "bastard" and "abomination" at him.
The Loras trial is essentially a dry run for her own trial for banging Lancel. She doesn't even realize she's setting herself up while at the same time alienating the only people who could help her (the Tyrells). Easily the dumbest person in KL right now.
In addition, when Tommen visited the Sept, people were shouting "bastard" and "abomination" at him.
The Loras trial is essentially a dry run for her own trial for banging Lancel. She doesn't even realize she's setting herself up while at the same time alienating the only people who could help her (the Tyrells). Easily the dumbest person in KL right now.
In addition, when Tommen visited the Sept, people were shouting "bastard" and "abomination" at him.
Lots of people yell that at me too. #bros
I was going to say the exact same thing.
One of the open questions coming out of Season 4...
...was where the show would get its gravitas and macho swagger after skewering Charles Dance, squishing Pedro Pascal and exiling Iain Glenn. Not to mention the earlier, symbolic emasculation of Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and the nearly forgotten - though the North remembers - decapitation of Sean Bean. With so many big, brass testicles already gone, shivving Ian McElhinney in an alley seemed an odd choice. Jacob Anderson's Grey Worm is sweet and all, but there's something missing from that character...
The showrunners have developed new options - Jonathan Pryce in particular, with Alexander Siddig showing some potential even as he dithers on his balcony - and breathed life into old ones. Diana Rigg is back, with possibly the biggest balls around. Glenn will have a chance to fight his way back into Dany's good graces (if he doesn't turn to stone first), and Stephen Dillane is looking almost fatherly, by Stannis's standards.
Michael McElhatton's Roose replaces Dance as the hiss-worthy master of the game, with an even creepier family. McElhatton is a far better actor than Aidan Gillen, with much clearer diction; but I think Littlefinger will get the better of that chess match, speech impediment and all. The question is how much more damage the Boltons will inflict before Stannis (and possibly Jon) dispense justice.
The Loras trial is essentially a dry run for her own trial for banging Lancel. She doesn't even realize she's setting herself up while at the same time alienating the only people who could help her (the Tyrells). Easily the dumbest person in KL right now.
In addition, when Tommen visited the Sept, people were shouting "bastard" and "abomination" at him.
And he didnt say anything while his wife was getting dragged away. Sorry you are the king and ruler of Westeros
It is frustrating but he is being played by his mother, so he's torn. If it were Jof, he would have killed all the religious men in that room. No questions asked.
Joffrey, Ramsey, Littlefinger, and Tywin most of all... These guys dominated every scene they are in.
But even bigger than that used to be the overarching idea of the coming winter and what is to come with it. In the beginning it felt like the danger of the White Walkers was on everyone's minds, and it impacted decisions and attitudes. Now, not so much.
... was never taken seriously in King's Landing. Even the "smart" Lannisters - Tywin and Tyrion in particular - belittled talk of wights and giants as nursemaids' fables.
Where the focus did shift was at the Wall itself. After Lord Commander Mormont's death, the Night's Watch became consumed with internal struggles and the incursions by the Free Folk. That's changing, or at least it might change if Jon survives. If he can forge an awkward alliance of Wildlings and Crows to join Stannis's royalists and mercenaries, the North can turn its attention to the Coming of Winter (perhaps after cleansing itself of Boltons and Freys).
In any case, the main event is Ice vs. Fire. Only GRRM and the show runners know exactly what that means, but it does suggest that the petty intrigues of Highgarden and King's Landing will eventually be relegated to their deserved sideshow status.
did not countenance any challenge to his absolute power and control (save gramps knocking him down a peg). I dont think he would have encouraged a Saudi-style police force operating in parallel to the Gold Cloaks. And I struggle to picture him in a room being told that he is answerable to some higher law.
Makes me think of the good Joff scene in season 2 (I think) where he was telling Cersi how dumb the feudal system is re lords providing amries to the sovereign. Joff wanted a professional military answerable to the king.
Anyone else notice Lost's Mr. Ego as the slave trader?
I wanna see what crazy shit arya is about to get into.
Ramsey was D & D.
Sansa was the book.
And Theon was the book readers.
That episode was so offensive on so many levels, this season has been so disappointing. But then books 4 & 5 sucked too.
Ramsey was D & D.
Sansa was the book.
And Theon was the book readers.
That episode was so offensive on so many levels, this season has been so disappointing. But then books 4 & 5 sucked too.
Love the non-book threads. I learn so much about the books.
The show is still good, but the series takes too big of a turn in the books that I can't say I'm surprised about the backlash.
I thought this was the worst episode Bryan Cogman who is a good writer has written to date. The Sand Snakes are something you'd see on a comedy sketch show that satirizes the series. They're that awful. I can't for the life of me figure out why the omit so many amazing characters and decide to keep the freaking Sand Snakes of all people.
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Ramsey was D & D.
Sansa was the book.
And Theon was the book readers.
That episode was so offensive on so many levels, this season has been so disappointing. But then books 4 & 5 sucked too.
Love the non-book threads. I learn so much about the books.
GoT threads have gotta contain the most self righteous whining on BBI. And there's a ,ethic ton of that garbage spewed here daily. Nothing was spoiled or ruined. Have a coke and a smile Francis.
And, suddenly, from out of nowhere, this Sparrows religious cult we never heard of before has an awful lot of power, huh? They can imprison the sitting queen? Umm, OK.
The show is still worth watching for a lot of reasons, but it hasn't been great for some time.
I'm kind of back to feeling that way a little bit myself. Okay fine, Mr. Martin, I get it -- sometimes the bad guys win, sometimes evil deeds go unpunished, sometimes there is no justice. But are we just being taken for a sadistic ride through a land where the protagonists never win by a madly cackling nihilist? Sometimes it seems that way.
I'm enjoying the season, but I get some of the complaints.
But imagine not being as far along as the show as a reader after 5 800 page books :)
Disappointed that Theon didn't do something to save Sansa from that dip-shit. Maybe he still will next episode..? who knows? They might pick up where it ended.
The whole faceless assassin and Arya storyline is boring. I am growing really tired of that.
Tyrion is my favorite and I cannot wait till he gets to Dany but that seems like it is going to take all of this season and then some.. painful
I agree.. I wasn't too impressed with those girls fighting..Bronn is awesome and is always entertaining.
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Ayra need story needs to pick up, I do like everything with Cersie and Margory though. Sea Snake fight scene sucked although Bronn is always entertaining.
I agree.. I wasn't too impressed with those girls fighting..Bronn is awesome and is always entertaining.
This.
It was reminiscent of the Theone rescue as someone stated above. And to be completely honest it was almost comical. These two clowns just roll right into the middle of the enemies quarters dressed like clowns and just approach the girl while she's with the prince. It had a Monty Python feel to it.
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Ayra need story needs to pick up, I do like everything with Cersie and Margory though. Sea Snake fight scene sucked although Bronn is always entertaining.
I agree.. I wasn't too impressed with those girls fighting..Bronn is awesome and is always entertaining.
This.
It was reminiscent of the Theone rescue as someone stated above. And to be completely honest it was almost comical. These two clowns just roll right into the middle of the enemies quarters dressed like clowns and just approach the girl while she's with the prince. It had a Monty Python feel to it.
I could do without the Sand Snakes altogether. Jaime's whole Dornish adventure is very ill-conceived. But I got the sense that these guys were all allowed into the Gardens so that they could be captured in the act. Doctor Bashir now has the Sand Snakes out of the way and massive leverage over Cersi if need be.
And I guess Im the only one who likes the Arya story line. Then again, I've been tired of Dany forever, and she's the most popular story on the show it seems.
ITA. In fact, the most interested I've been in Arya's storyline was yesterday when Haqar was hitting her for lying about her feelings for The Hound. Otherwise, I've really enjoyed the rest of the storylines.
However, I'm in total agreement that the Jamie/Bronn/Sand Snakes/Dorne scene from yesterday's ep was poorly done.
The House of Faces was awesome, way better then what I had imagined while reading the book.
Not so thrilled with the entire Ramsey/Sansa story line at all for many reasons, mostly because the result is so predictable. Let's hope Sansa manages to flay Ramsey at some point, as long as the show writers think their fan fiction version of Sansa's story is an improvement on the original.
And the entire Dorne story is a mess, only to be capped by the awful Sand Snake fight scene. Try comparing that mess to Oberyn's awesome fight against the Mountain last season.
What a shame and a waste of what really should be a good and compelling Dorne story line. Alexander Siddig playing Doran is mostly ignored while they focus on the cartoon like Sand Snakes.
I think Cersei created the Faith Militant as a way to shore up her power after her Uncle Kevan left back to Casterly Rock, essentially taking much of the Lannister force with him.
Or, in other words, Cersei thinks she's 3 steps quicker than everyone, cementing her place with a religious organization that has largely been subservient to the crown in the past, and a way to rid herself of her reliance on family she doesn't trust.
Foreshadowing was set up yesterday, with the Queen of Thorns stating that the Lannisters would be fucked without the wheat provided by the Tyrell's.
I wonder if Lady Oleanna, when meeting with the High Septon next week, asks about brother-fucking and its place in the pantheon of sins...
In addition, when Tommen visited the Sept, people were shouting "bastard" and "abomination" at him.
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The Loras trial is essentially a dry run for her own trial for banging Lancel. She doesn't even realize she's setting herself up while at the same time alienating the only people who could help her (the Tyrells). Easily the dumbest person in KL right now.
In addition, when Tommen visited the Sept, people were shouting "bastard" and "abomination" at him.
Lots of people yell that at me too. #bros
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The Loras trial is essentially a dry run for her own trial for banging Lancel. She doesn't even realize she's setting herself up while at the same time alienating the only people who could help her (the Tyrells). Easily the dumbest person in KL right now.
In addition, when Tommen visited the Sept, people were shouting "bastard" and "abomination" at him.
Lots of people yell that at me too. #bros
I was going to say the exact same thing.
The showrunners have developed new options - Jonathan Pryce in particular, with Alexander Siddig showing some potential even as he dithers on his balcony - and breathed life into old ones. Diana Rigg is back, with possibly the biggest balls around. Glenn will have a chance to fight his way back into Dany's good graces (if he doesn't turn to stone first), and Stephen Dillane is looking almost fatherly, by Stannis's standards.
Michael McElhatton's Roose replaces Dance as the hiss-worthy master of the game, with an even creepier family. McElhatton is a far better actor than Aidan Gillen, with much clearer diction; but I think Littlefinger will get the better of that chess match, speech impediment and all. The question is how much more damage the Boltons will inflict before Stannis (and possibly Jon) dispense justice.
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The Loras trial is essentially a dry run for her own trial for banging Lancel. She doesn't even realize she's setting herself up while at the same time alienating the only people who could help her (the Tyrells). Easily the dumbest person in KL right now.
In addition, when Tommen visited the Sept, people were shouting "bastard" and "abomination" at him.
Lots of people yell that at me too. #bros
I was going to say the exact same thing.
Great minds...
It is frustrating but he is being played by his mother, so he's torn. If it were Jof, he would have killed all the religious men in that room. No questions asked.
I'm not at all sure he would have stood up to the High Sparrow, especially when stuck between Margaery and Cersei.
But even bigger than that used to be the overarching idea of the coming winter and what is to come with it. In the beginning it felt like the danger of the White Walkers was on everyone's minds, and it impacted decisions and attitudes. Now, not so much.
Where the focus did shift was at the Wall itself. After Lord Commander Mormont's death, the Night's Watch became consumed with internal struggles and the incursions by the Free Folk. That's changing, or at least it might change if Jon survives. If he can forge an awkward alliance of Wildlings and Crows to join Stannis's royalists and mercenaries, the North can turn its attention to the Coming of Winter (perhaps after cleansing itself of Boltons and Freys).
In any case, the main event is Ice vs. Fire. Only GRRM and the show runners know exactly what that means, but it does suggest that the petty intrigues of Highgarden and King's Landing will eventually be relegated to their deserved sideshow status.
Makes me think of the good Joff scene in season 2 (I think) where he was telling Cersi how dumb the feudal system is re lords providing amries to the sovereign. Joff wanted a professional military answerable to the king.