The showrunners have Brienne at Winterfell for a reason. But since it's Brienne, I don't expect an unambiguous triumph of good over evil. More likely a bloody, inconclusive standoff that won't improve Sansa's situation much. That's the running joke with poor Brienne, ever since Renly's encounter with the shadow: always close enough to the action to be nobly ineffective.
wall like 3 seasons ago? And hasn't he been back for a long time after he saw them? Unless their GPS is busted, shouldn't they have made it to the wall a long time ago already?
wall like 3 seasons ago? And hasn't he been back for a long time after he saw them? Unless their GPS is busted, shouldn't they have made it to the wall a long time ago already?
I believe that was the final scene in Season 2. (2!!!)
And don't forget last year that a white walker touched the baby's face and turned the baby into a white walker. But by all means, let's have more scenes of women in King's Landing being catty with each other.
RE: Didn't a herd of white walkers walk past somebody from the
wall like 3 seasons ago? And hasn't he been back for a long time after he saw them? Unless their GPS is busted, shouldn't they have made it to the wall a long time ago already?
The biggest threat to the kingdom walked by Sam seasons ago. It's like they needed eye candy and ignored the logistics.
RE: RE: Didn't a herd of white walkers walk past somebody from the
wall like 3 seasons ago? And hasn't he been back for a long time after he saw them? Unless their GPS is busted, shouldn't they have made it to the wall a long time ago already?
The biggest threat to the kingdom walked by Sam seasons ago. It's like they needed eye candy and ignored the logistics.
You're making a big assumption that the walkers were headed to the wall at that point. I'm not sure that was the case.
He folded when confronted. That's why Tyrion outlived him.
I'm not at all sure he would have stood up to the High Sparrow, especially when stuck between Margaery and Cersei.
I get what you're saying. I just think his disdain for the poor and them taking his wife (likely with the hound in the room) I think you have some dead religious types at the end of that scene.
Remember the first scene of season 3 with Sam running trying to find the Watch where Ghost saves him from the Wight. The White Walkers fought and killed a bunch of the Watch at the Fist of the First Men. That was their goal and where they were headed at the end of season 2. It's what led to the survivors of that attack turning on and killing Mormont in revolt. There was never any intention to reach the Wall and attempt an invasion at that point.
that Tommen is still a child. he may be the King, but he's a boy king. And many boys are scared and nervous, especially when a controlling mother is exerting a sense of authority.
Also, can people please stop talking about the fucking books in here? What is it with so many people who read the books that they just can't stop from telling non-readers about the books, even if peripherally? The whole point of a non-book thread is so that people who don't read the books can discuss the HBO television show Game of Thrones.
I remember there were some fan site maps that helped keep track of the timeline, history and families in relationship to where the show was currently at.
Is there a similar map right now for this season? Not interested in spoilers or what the White Walkers are planning to do later on in the storyline. I just wanted to know where exactly are the White Walkers currently at on the map and how far are they from the Wall.
RE: Where EXACTLY are the White Walkers right now in the storyline?
I remember there were some fan site maps that helped keep track of the timeline, history and families in relationship to where the show was currently at.
Is there a similar map right now for this season? Not interested in spoilers or what the White Walkers are planning to do later on in the storyline. I just wanted to know where exactly are the White Walkers currently at on the map and how far are they from the Wall.
Nobody knows. I think the last time we saw them they are at the alter where they turned the baby. That location is unknown. My guess is far north of the wall.
Not surprised to hear people are disappointed with this season,
A Feast for Crows (the title of the book covered this season...sorta/mostly) is, by Martin's own admission, the weakest in the series. He had a lot of difficulty writing it and it became so bloated that he basically had to chop it in half, leaving out several well known and loved central characters and introducing even more new key characters. Compared to the rest of the series it was hard to get through.
The White Walkers mostly hang out in the Land of Always Winter.
It's literally uncharted. No human has set foot up there for thousands of years, and nobody knows what the White Walkers have been doing in the meantime: Sleeping? Plotting? Watching porn? It's all a mystery. And nobody knows why they're making themselves visible now.
The White Walkers do seem to be wandering aimlessly.
Yes they're from the Land of Always Winter, but they must've marched a considerable distance south by this time. Sam and the rest of the ranging party encountered them near the Fist of the First Men. You can use a map and estimate...the distance between The Fist and Crasters Keep looks to be very close if not identical to the distance between Castle Black (located at the center of The Wall) and the Shadow Tower (The Walls westernmost point). Given that The Wall is 300 miles, that would obviously be 150. Sounds like a lot but you'd think they'd have covered that ground by now. Unless they're busy doing something to be revealed later, it kinda feels like they're just wandering around until events play out south of The Wall and the humans are ready for battle.
If that's even where it's headed. A showdown between Ice Zombies and fire breathing dragons seems obvious and inevitable, hell, even the title hints at that, but who knows at this point.
j_rud: The simplest explanation is that they are building their forces
The White Walkers don't seem to reproduce the fun, old-fashioned way. They can raise the dead to create wights, and they can apparently convert living humans (at least really young ones) into White Walkers under certain circumstances. But these are slow processes. If they are planning to strike south of the Wall as winter comes, it makes sense for them to convert as many dead Wildlings and other assorted corpses to their cause as possible before invading. Besides, the climate of the Seven Kingdoms might be unhealthy for their pale complexions until winter descends in earnest.
As for the inevitable clash of Ice and Fire, we don't really know the sides yet. Frosties and Wights vs. Dragons and Smoking Hot Blondes and Redheads? Sure. R'hllor vs. the Great Other in an epochal rematch? Absolutely. But is there room in the Red Team's dugout for both Dany and Melisandre? Does Jon Snow join his maybe-aunt to save the world, or does his name foretell his destiny? Does Sunspear follow the sun, or do the post-Oberyn Martells just waste more of our time as fantasy literature's most anticlimactic red herring? Does the cynicism of the Lannisters, Boltons, Tyrells, and/or Freys extend to selling out all of humanity and aligning with the Abominable Snowmen? And what does any of this have to do with Ninja Arya and Three-Eyed Bran?
While the White Walkers have been biding their time for 4,000 pages, Martin has set a rich narrative stage for their arrival. The challenge for him now is making it worth the wait.
The White Walkers don't seem to reproduce the fun, old-fashioned way. They can raise the dead to create wights, and they can apparently convert living humans (at least really young ones) into White Walkers under certain circumstances. But these are slow processes. If they are planning to strike south of the Wall as winter comes, it makes sense for them to convert as many dead Wildlings and other assorted corpses to their cause as possible before invading. Besides, the climate of the Seven Kingdoms might be unhealthy for their pale complexions until winter descends in earnest.
As for the inevitable clash of Ice and Fire, we don't really know the sides yet. Frosties and Wights vs. Dragons and Smoking Hot Blondes and Redheads? Sure. R'hllor vs. the Great Other in an epochal rematch? Absolutely. But is there room in the Red Team's dugout for both Dany and Melisandre? Does Jon Snow join his maybe-aunt to save the world, or does his name foretell his destiny? Does Sunspear follow the sun, or do the post-Oberyn Martells just waste more of our time as fantasy literature's most anticlimactic red herring? Does the cynicism of the Lannisters, Boltons, Tyrells, and/or Freys extend to selling out all of humanity and aligning with the Abominable Snowmen? And what does any of this have to do with Ninja Arya and Three-Eyed Bran?
While the White Walkers have been biding their time for 4,000 pages, Martin has set a rich narrative stage for their arrival. The challenge for him now is making it worth the wait.
Great stuff BBB, dan I can't wait for Winds of Winter. Apparently Martin is on a writing binge, he's even cancelled a bunch of appearances. Sounds like he's down to the home stretch and it may even be released late this year.
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That's Adebisi from Oz right thar!
I believe that was the final scene in Season 2. (2!!!)
And don't forget last year that a white walker touched the baby's face and turned the baby into a white walker. But by all means, let's have more scenes of women in King's Landing being catty with each other.
The biggest threat to the kingdom walked by Sam seasons ago. It's like they needed eye candy and ignored the logistics.
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wall like 3 seasons ago? And hasn't he been back for a long time after he saw them? Unless their GPS is busted, shouldn't they have made it to the wall a long time ago already?
The biggest threat to the kingdom walked by Sam seasons ago. It's like they needed eye candy and ignored the logistics.
You're making a big assumption that the walkers were headed to the wall at that point. I'm not sure that was the case.
I'm not at all sure he would have stood up to the High Sparrow, especially when stuck between Margaery and Cersei.
I get what you're saying. I just think his disdain for the poor and them taking his wife (likely with the hound in the room) I think you have some dead religious types at the end of that scene.
Also, can people please stop talking about the fucking books in here? What is it with so many people who read the books that they just can't stop from telling non-readers about the books, even if peripherally? The whole point of a non-book thread is so that people who don't read the books can discuss the HBO television show Game of Thrones.
Yes. It's named "The Gift".
Is there a similar map right now for this season? Not interested in spoilers or what the White Walkers are planning to do later on in the storyline. I just wanted to know where exactly are the White Walkers currently at on the map and how far are they from the Wall.
Is there a similar map right now for this season? Not interested in spoilers or what the White Walkers are planning to do later on in the storyline. I just wanted to know where exactly are the White Walkers currently at on the map and how far are they from the Wall.
Nobody knows. I think the last time we saw them they are at the alter where they turned the baby. That location is unknown. My guess is far north of the wall.
If that's even where it's headed. A showdown between Ice Zombies and fire breathing dragons seems obvious and inevitable, hell, even the title hints at that, but who knows at this point.
As for the inevitable clash of Ice and Fire, we don't really know the sides yet. Frosties and Wights vs. Dragons and Smoking Hot Blondes and Redheads? Sure. R'hllor vs. the Great Other in an epochal rematch? Absolutely. But is there room in the Red Team's dugout for both Dany and Melisandre? Does Jon Snow join his maybe-aunt to save the world, or does his name foretell his destiny? Does Sunspear follow the sun, or do the post-Oberyn Martells just waste more of our time as fantasy literature's most anticlimactic red herring? Does the cynicism of the Lannisters, Boltons, Tyrells, and/or Freys extend to selling out all of humanity and aligning with the Abominable Snowmen? And what does any of this have to do with Ninja Arya and Three-Eyed Bran?
While the White Walkers have been biding their time for 4,000 pages, Martin has set a rich narrative stage for their arrival. The challenge for him now is making it worth the wait.
I wouldn't say "disaster" but certainly very sub-par. I'm hardly stoked for each episode the way I was every other season.
As for the inevitable clash of Ice and Fire, we don't really know the sides yet. Frosties and Wights vs. Dragons and Smoking Hot Blondes and Redheads? Sure. R'hllor vs. the Great Other in an epochal rematch? Absolutely. But is there room in the Red Team's dugout for both Dany and Melisandre? Does Jon Snow join his maybe-aunt to save the world, or does his name foretell his destiny? Does Sunspear follow the sun, or do the post-Oberyn Martells just waste more of our time as fantasy literature's most anticlimactic red herring? Does the cynicism of the Lannisters, Boltons, Tyrells, and/or Freys extend to selling out all of humanity and aligning with the Abominable Snowmen? And what does any of this have to do with Ninja Arya and Three-Eyed Bran?
While the White Walkers have been biding their time for 4,000 pages, Martin has set a rich narrative stage for their arrival. The challenge for him now is making it worth the wait.
Great stuff BBB, dan I can't wait for Winds of Winter. Apparently Martin is on a writing binge, he's even cancelled a bunch of appearances. Sounds like he's down to the home stretch and it may even be released late this year.