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NFT: Game 2: Tampa Bay Lightning @ NY Rangers

yankeeslover : 5/18/2015 10:05 am
lets get over the game 2 hump and put the pressure on the bolts... LGR!!!!!!!!!
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RE: I still bitch about trading Zubov  
Victor in CT : 5/19/2015 2:01 pm : link
In comment 12292898 Greg from LI said:
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And that was 20 years ago, so.....yes, absolutely.


Me too. You get Ulf Samuelsson to play WITH Zubov, not in stead of Zubov. Fucking stupid.
Tarasenko would've been a nice addition  
Anakim : 5/19/2015 2:01 pm : link
But whatever, I said I wouldn't speak about it again
I hate guys like Zherdev  
Deej : 5/19/2015 2:09 pm : link
fucking Russian danglers
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 2:09 pm : link
I mean, all teams have these glaring oversights. They're just more pronounced since we're Rangers fans.

I don't recall why Tarasenko slid.

And I've heard great things about McIlrath. I imagine he'd be our 7th defenseman next year - unless he's traded.
RE: ....  
Anakim : 5/19/2015 2:13 pm : link
In comment 12292968 BrettNYG10 said:
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I mean, all teams have these glaring oversights. They're just more pronounced since we're Rangers fans.

I don't recall why Tarasenko slid.

And I've heard great things about McIlrath. I imagine he'd be our 7th defenseman next year - unless he's traded.


It was the Russian transferability issue. Tarasenko was playing for his dad in Russia at the time and there were doubts as to whether or not he'd ever come to North America to play.
eh  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:13 pm : link
what good things about Dylan?
Wouldn't surprise me if Skjei beat him out in TC  
Anakim : 5/19/2015 2:14 pm : link
I also hope they bring back Hunwick
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 2:15 pm : link
I think McIlrath would make it over him just because we risk losing him if we send him down, IIRC.
RE: eh  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12292974 Giants2012 said:
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what good things about Dylan?


Apparently their best penalty killer, skating has improved, been much more disciplined. Beukeboom referenced his game turning around in December.
RE: ....  
Anakim : 5/19/2015 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12292981 BrettNYG10 said:
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I think McIlrath would make it over him just because we risk losing him if we send him down, IIRC.


Like the Kristo thing?
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 2:18 pm : link
Yeah, both McIlrath and Allen will have to go through waivers next year if sent down.
McIlrath  
Deej : 5/19/2015 2:19 pm : link
would have to pass thru waivers to get down to Hartford. From what I've read, I have to believe that there are teams that would claim him for a 6/7 role at worst. His problem is probably our absurd NHL D depth and the fact we were on a #1 seed run. He probably would have come up when Klein got hurt except we had no cap space for any promotions this year (bizarre).

Conor Allen is in the same boat -- NHL or waivers. And I think Kristo can declare himself a Group 6 UFA this summer (25 years old, >80 NHL games). I thought Sather made a mistake not moving some of these contracts at the deadline.
McIlraith I'm assuming  
MetsAreBack : 5/19/2015 2:19 pm : link
is the reason we went with Boyle over Stralman. Boyle seen as a bridge to get to McI.... but who the fuck knows, its not like we ever stand pat during offseasons for whatever reason.

The reason Stralman/Boyle and Brian Boyle/Glass come up *yet* again... is as it will always be for Rangers fans, an otherwise great season comes down to having to beat these guys and our former Captain to get the ultimate prize.

It would be very Rangers to have Callahan end our season in overtime or something.
RE: RE: eh  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12292984 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12292974 Giants2012 said:


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what good things about Dylan?



Apparently their best penalty killer, skating has improved, been much more disciplined. Beukeboom referenced his game turning around in December.


I've seen him play 3 times. He's extremely stay at home so it's kinda tough for him to be undisciplined. Guessing it's b/c his skating speed is still slow. He'll nail somebody though. He does hit everything and has really good leverage. His fighting, well, he's not equal to the hype IMO.

Lindberg is the kid I like b/c skates a bit like Brassard although I think Kristo has the better hands but he doesn't skate as well. Haggerty shows flashes. Overall, the Wolf Pack isn't that good offensively.
He had 165 penalty minutes...  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 2:25 pm : link
That's pretty undisciplined.
At what point does the "fighting" (talent) discussion stop  
MetsAreBack : 5/19/2015 2:26 pm : link
Isnt it clear the NHL has moved away from that crap by now? Who cares.

Sure, playing big and physical can help - see Caps - but speed wins in this league now. All 4 lines need to be able to score.
RE: McIlraith I'm assuming  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:27 pm : link
In comment 12292992 MetsAreBack said:
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is the reason we went with Boyle over Stralman. Boyle seen as a bridge to get to McI....


Besides skates, they're nothing alike. It's not a bridge. They Rangers wanted a QB for the PP with Boyle while McIlrath won't ever see the ice on the PP.
RE: He had 165 penalty minutes...  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12293003 BrettNYG10 said:
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That's pretty undisciplined.


I mean defensively. He was undisciplined defensively. He used to get caught up ice and couldn't get back. Now he's so far back nobody gets by him. He's overly disciplined IMO.

Penalties, yeah, every team has a nut job down there and McIlrath and he usually find each other.
Deej  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2015 2:31 pm : link
The only point in his career when Luc was not an elite goal scorer was, of course, when he was in NY.
RE: At what point does the  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12293004 MetsAreBack said:
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Isnt it clear the NHL has moved away from that crap by now? Who cares.

Sure, playing big and physical can help - see Caps - but speed wins in this league now. All 4 lines need to be able to score.


How about reading the whole post and not just bitching about one line? Give it a try.
well somebody called you out on the disciplined part  
MetsAreBack : 5/19/2015 2:35 pm : link
and I took issue with your love affair for somebody's boxing capabilities.

But besides that... 50% of the post... great job?
I clarified it for him  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:36 pm : link
yet you're hopeless. Boyle is Bridge to McILrath? Good Lord
RE: RE: McIlraith I'm assuming  
schabadoo : 5/19/2015 2:37 pm : link
In comment 12293005 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12292992 MetsAreBack said:


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is the reason we went with Boyle over Stralman. Boyle seen as a bridge to get to McI....



Besides skates, they're nothing alike. It's not a bridge. They Rangers wanted a QB for the PP with Boyle while McIlrath won't ever see the ice on the PP.


Not the point. The timing was the bridge. Give Boyle two years and then go with the kid.
scha  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:39 pm : link
if he knew the depth down in the minors he wouldn't be using the analogy let alone all his other assumptions.
schabadoo  
MetsAreBack : 5/19/2015 2:44 pm : link
its over his head, but thanks.

I actually heard the players fathers talking about it at Flying Puck the other night though, so I'm confident i'm right.
Got it - thanks, 2012.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 2:45 pm : link
MAB: 2010 was the year the Gaborik incident occurred, which makes me think the team perceived a weakness and went after it - ignoring value (such as Fowler - whom I assume they deemed unnecessary because of Del Zotto at the time).
.  
arcarsenal : 5/19/2015 2:45 pm : link
My assumption is that Skjei is going to get the spot that Boyle vacates before McIlrath or Allen do. So it's going to be a numbers thing. Yandle will open up another spot after next year. The other 4 guys are locked in for a bit. I could see Klein sticking around after his deal is up.
Skjei and Graves  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:48 pm : link
are on deck.

Would love to see McIlrath yet I just don't know. He reminds me a bit of Eric Cairns.
IF Yandle is healthy right now (and who knows on that)  
MetsAreBack : 5/19/2015 2:48 pm : link
then i'm not sure I'd wait until next year.

He wasnt even on the ice on the 5-on-3 yesterday. The trade has been borderline disaster -- still has time to prove us nay-sayers wrong but holy shit this one is looking like its going to sting for years.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 2:49 pm : link
If they win the Cup this year, Sather can trade all of our top prospects, Lundqvist, Kreider, and Stepan for some loathsome piece of shit (like Callahan).

Fuck next year.
RE: IF Yandle is healthy right now (and who knows on that)  
Victor in CT : 5/19/2015 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12293060 MetsAreBack said:
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then i'm not sure I'd wait until next year.

He wasnt even on the ice on the 5-on-3 yesterday. The trade has been borderline disaster -- still has time to prove us nay-sayers wrong but holy shit this one is looking like its going to sting for years.


Back to back years with the St. Louis trade. Not so much for Callahan but for the future picks.

The Hayes signing takes some of the sting out of that at least.
ugh, hated moving DuClair  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 2:53 pm : link
Can't teach that type of explosiveness.

Thought he was the closest thing the Rangers have had since Bure for a few weeks (speed, hard accurate shot, etc).
sure, just like Bure  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2015 3:04 pm : link
Except for the goals.
19 yrs old with little ice time  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 3:08 pm : link
what did you expect?
Bure was 20 in his rookie season  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2015 3:10 pm : link
and put up 34 goals in 65 games. I like Duclair, but comparing him to Bure is crazy.
RE: Bure was 20 in his rookie season  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12293101 Greg from LI said:
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and put up 34 goals in 65 games. I like Duclair, but comparing him to Bure is crazy.


let's try to clarify this

"Thought he was the closest thing the Rangers have had since Bure for a few weeks (speed, hard accurate shot, etc).":

The Rangers had Bure for a weeks (months) as a Ranger. Not comparing him to a 20 yr old Bure yet the kid does have Bure like speed and a great shot.
RE: sure, just like Bure  
Deej : 5/19/2015 3:19 pm : link
In comment 12293092 Greg from LI said:
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Except for the goals.


Josef Balej
ah, the crown jewel of Sather's rebuilding fire sale in 2003!  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2015 3:52 pm : link
Kovalev went on to score another 352 points after the trade, while Balej posted a sparkling 1-4-5 in 13 games as a Ranger.
Brian Boyle wasn't re signed  
hudson : 5/19/2015 8:26 pm : link
Because he wanted to be more than a 4th liner.
It was him or Dominic Moore. Let's be fair, Boyle playing 3C not Hayes makes us worse.
why are people still spinning it that way?  
MetsAreBack : 5/19/2015 9:25 pm : link
Before the season started Tampa made him...... wait for it... their 4th line C. It's bullshit spin from the Rangers.

By the way, was Boyle always an "A" for them this year? They made him one Monday.
Lol, fucking Brad Richards.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 9:28 pm : link
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RE: why are people still spinning it that way?  
MookGiants : 5/19/2015 9:29 pm : link
In comment 12293660 MetsAreBack said:
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Before the season started Tampa made him...... wait for it... their 4th line C. It's bullshit spin from the Rangers.

By the way, was Boyle always an "A" for them this year? They made him one Monday.


He was last round at least, never bothered to look before that. Odd to say the least.
Boyle himself said he wanted a more expansive role.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2015 9:31 pm : link
That's where it came from.
Boyle was wearing an "A" back when they played us in the reg season.  
arcarsenal : 5/19/2015 9:32 pm : link
I think he's had it all year. Or most.
RE: why are people still spinning it that way?  
schabadoo : 5/19/2015 9:53 pm : link
In comment 12293660 MetsAreBack said:
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Before the season started Tampa made him...... wait for it... their 4th line C. It's bullshit spin from the Rangers.

By the way, was Boyle always an "A" for them this year? They made him one Monday.


He got almost $7 million from Tampa, a no income tax state. Not sure how NY was matching that.

And this was the popular thought when he left:

'On breakup day, Brian Boyle also expressed his desire to do more for the Rangers then just kill penalties. Alain Vigneault felt Boyle’s role was right and maybe this deal signifies his desire to be more than just a 4th line guy.'
He got 3 years, $6MM  
MetsAreBack : 5/20/2015 7:49 am : link
not $7. Same day or week we signed Tanner Glass to 3 yrs, $5MM. Awful.

Facts are what they are - he was signed by Tampa to be their 4th line C. Before the season even started they announced that and he had to know going in he was a longshot to pass Fillipa on the depth chart for 3rd line.

Don't get me started on the state income tax stuff. I really hate the NHL's decision making authority - its an obvious fix but they do nothing.

Is what it is - only reason the offseason deems such a big spotlight now is because we're on center stage against these 3 guys. This series is as much about Yzerman vs Sather as it is on the ice.
$6 million with no income tax is almost $7 elsewhere  
Giants2012 : 5/20/2015 8:23 am : link
is his point.
My bad, I thought he got $6.9, not $6  
schabadoo : 5/20/2015 8:59 am : link
I don't think they could've matched with the cap problems they had anyway.
McKenzie originally reported $2.3 - that's what stuck in my head  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 9:09 am : link
As well.
Well regardless....  
MetsAreBack : 5/20/2015 9:50 am : link
we all agree Stralman was 85% of the fuck-up, not Boyle (Glass was a separate screw up, we could have filled in house). Moore has done a nice job in the 4C role, and up until this series, we'd replaced Boyle on the PK. Hopefully the first two games were an anomoly on PK - but man is TB on fire right now on their PP. It's white hot.

How did Detroit hold them to 2-for-30? I know Babcock is busy getting himself a huge mega-deal, but sure would be nice to get some tips from him about how his thoroughly outclassed talent wise team was able to take Tampa a full 7.
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