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JimNY56 : 5/18/2015 10:48 am
Walter Football - Look at what he did in his final six games: 60 receptions, 842 yards, nine touchdowns. Extrapolate that over a full 16-game slate, and you'd get 160 catches, 2,245 yards and 24 scores.

King MMQB - In the last two months of the 2014 season, Beckham played nine football games for the Giants. His average game: nine catches, 133.2 receiving yards, one touchdown.

Few questions:

What can other teams defensive coordinators do to stop/slow down Beckham?

Is he as good as the numbers above suggest?

The 'Dynamic Duo' of Manning/Beckham: What kind of numbers [catches, yards, tds] will they deliver over the next 5 years?
As much as I like him  
Scyber : 5/18/2015 10:51 am : link
Giants fans need to be prepared for a Sophomore slump. Teams are gonna focus on removing him from the game and some of them are gonna be successful. His level of production was incredible last year, but he isn't likely to maintain it.
You dont think that the DC's were trying to do that  
gmen9892 : 5/18/2015 10:53 am : link
In the final 6 games of the season, when Beckham was the ONLY legit threat on the field?
Cruz and Randle are the biggest x-factors this year  
GMenLTS : 5/18/2015 10:55 am : link
As long as they produce, odell will be able to pick up right where he left off.
I too think there will be a little bit of regression  
gmen9892 : 5/18/2015 10:57 am : link
But only in his numbers, not his play. The team "should" have a better running game due to an improved OL and a healthy Cruz could take targets away.

All in all, its exciting to think about this offenses potential.
There is no way he matches that production for a full year  
ron mexico : 5/18/2015 10:59 am : link
And that is not a knock on him

We should have a more well rounded O with Cruz back, an improved O line and some running and receiving threats out of the back field
or what 9892  
ron mexico : 5/18/2015 10:59 am : link
said
Sigh...  
Bramton1 : 5/18/2015 11:02 am : link
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The 'Dynamic Duo' of Manning/Beckham: What kind of numbers [catches, yards, tds] will they deliver over the next 5 years?


Whatever they deliver, here will still be some morons out there who will say, "Imagine what he could have done with a real quarterback?"
look at Victor Cruz - 2012  
mattlawson : 5/18/2015 11:03 am : link
in some ways all Eli had, ok numbers, not 2011 obviously. he came up huge in some games... obviously wasn't enough.

we need atleast 2 WRs that are competing for career years, and a third WR that comes up huge once or twice a game. that's the only way we're going to get back to winning.


3rd WR  
JimNY56 : 5/18/2015 11:05 am : link
Can Randle be that guy?
RE: You dont think that the DC's were trying to do that  
Mason : 5/18/2015 11:05 am : link
In comment 12290676 gmen9892 said:
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In the final 6 games of the season, when Beckham was the ONLY legit threat on the field?


With a healthy Cruz both Beckham and RR numbers could go down. But that bullshit about now they got tape on him is such a weak and lazy argument. Rams double and tripled team him and he scorched them. Seattle put their best corner and probably the 2nd best corner in the NFL on him and he made plays on him which led to said corner singing his praises. It is insulting to think some guy on the sideline who isn't playing somehow has the answer to take away his physical gifts, instincts and route running.
Stats wise  
MotownGIANTS : 5/18/2015 11:30 am : link
I hope he is not there ... that would mean the O is better a a unit on the whole....If RR steps up and the Run game (OL and RBs) is on-track then we have a better 3rd and X situation which means more 1st converted via the ground game....lets passes etc ....
he's as good as it gets.  
area junc : 5/18/2015 11:33 am : link
look what he did to richard sherman.no QB/WR does that to sherman. not peyton to d.thomas, nobody. eli and beckham torched him while the rest of our offense was getting its ass kicked
agree mason + motown  
area junc : 5/18/2015 11:36 am : link
we dont want 160 catches but hopefully our offense will set up a few back-breaking plays that win the game for us every week. he is the guy who can deliver that KnockOut blow week in, week out like Plax used to
NFL trend  
JimNY56 : 5/18/2015 11:40 am : link
This is a passing league and I think the Giants are following that trend now. It would be nice to have a ground game when needed, more options usually means more 1st downs.
Hopefully the addition  
Fred-in-Florida : 5/18/2015 11:43 am : link
of Harris will keep him from returning punts.
Too much risk  
JimNY56 : 5/18/2015 11:53 am : link
I don't think the Giants would risk putting Beckham back there. Beckham is going to be the face of the Giants really soon. He is very talented and an exciting player for both the Giants and the NFL.

Too much risk for Giant in wins and in selling Giant merchandise.
RE: Sigh...  
mrvax : 5/18/2015 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12290689 Bramton1 said:
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Quote:


The 'Dynamic Duo' of Manning/Beckham: What kind of numbers [catches, yards, tds] will they deliver over the next 5 years?



Whatever they deliver, here will still be some morons out there who will say, "Imagine what he could have done with a real quarterback?"


WTH? Anyone who says that isn't a Giants fan. With Eli and the new offense, Beckham and anyone else will be in a great position to succeed.
Gmen: Our x factor is our OL  
idinkido : 5/18/2015 12:30 pm : link
I expect our OL will be Flowers at RT, Schwartz at RG, Richburg at C, Pugh LG, and Beatty LT. If it can protect Eli and we can run the ball, our passing game will be very effective. It really comes down to our OL.
RE: You dont think that the DC's were trying to do that  
Scyber : 5/18/2015 12:42 pm : link
In comment 12290676 gmen9892 said:
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In the final 6 games of the season, when Beckham was the ONLY legit threat on the field?


Yes I do think they were trying, but failing. Which is why I qualified my statement that "some are gonna be successful". Obviously they weren't last year, but eventually some team is going to shut down Beckham. I'm not sure how, but it will happen at some point. It is far more realistic to expect his play to regress a bit then to expect him to continue the pace he had at the end of last year for a full season.

I'd be happy to be wrong, I just don't expect to be.
Whether he repeats last years performance or not  
JerseyCityJoe : 5/18/2015 12:57 pm : link
its about time we have someone who requires game-planing from the opposition.
One thing for certain  
BillT : 5/18/2015 1:06 pm : link
He's not getting 160 catches, 2,245 yards and 24 scores. He could be an all-pro though quite a bit short of that.
Inevitably, some people are going to be disappointed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/18/2015 1:25 pm : link
and start to pick at Beckham when his numbers normalize.


You can't just extrapolate this season out to 16 games and expect that every year.

Strahan didn't get 22.5 every season. In fact, he never got to 20 again.
No, I don't...  
Doomster : 5/18/2015 1:41 pm : link
You dont think that the DC's were trying to do that
gmen9892 : 10:53 am : link : reply
In the final 6 games of the season, when Beckham was the ONLY legit threat on the field?

Who did they play? Dallas was the only team that had something to play for....

First of all, those 6 teams were not the best defenses against the pass, did not have the personnel to stop him, and he had a lot of single coverage.....

Next year, he will be their main focus, unless Vereen, Donnell, Randle, etc., step up....add a healthy Cruz, and then you create all kinds of problems for the opposing defense....

But give the kid his kudos....not his fault who he played against.....he played in 6 meaningless games.....next year, he gets to show what he can do when it counts....and I think he will do well, especially if the other receivers are threats and this OL can stay healthy...
RE: You dont think that the DC's were trying to do that  
Joe in Knoxville : 5/18/2015 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12290676 gmen9892 said:
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In the final 6 games of the season, when Beckham was the ONLY legit threat on the field?


Something to be said when you have a whole offseason to review tape and gameplan rather then 2 or 3 days in a week before a game
RE: No, I don't...  
gmen9892 : 5/18/2015 2:29 pm : link
In comment 12290971 Doomster said:
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You dont think that the DC's were trying to do that
gmen9892 : 10:53 am : link : reply
In the final 6 games of the season, when Beckham was the ONLY legit threat on the field?

Who did they play? Dallas was the only team that had something to play for....

First of all, those 6 teams were not the best defenses against the pass, did not have the personnel to stop him, and he had a lot of single coverage.....

Next year, he will be their main focus, unless Vereen, Donnell, Randle, etc., step up....add a healthy Cruz, and then you create all kinds of problems for the opposing defense....

But give the kid his kudos....not his fault who he played against.....he played in 6 meaningless games.....next year, he gets to show what he can do when it counts....and I think he will do well, especially if the other receivers are threats and this OL can stay healthy...


OBJ was the only threat on the offensive side of the ball for the whole second half of the season. From the Indy game on, he was getting double digit targets every game and was wrecking everyone in his path. This included Seattle (with Sherman on him), SF (good defense), and STL (at the time hadnt a ridiculous shut out streak and were playing great defense). If the DC's on every team from the Seattle game on werent gameplanning on stopping him as their #1 focus, im not really sure who they saw as a bigger threat.
As Giants fans we tend to temper our excitement with our stars...  
Damon : 5/18/2015 2:40 pm : link
And over value our sleepers...

This guy is the best player to come into the league in a while. He is special. We are lucky to have him. Bless him to stay healthy...

He will only get better. His numbers might not sustain.. But with additional weapons.. He will make the players around him better. And he will still come up big when the lights are on. Because Eli trusts him... And Eli has been making lesser players look like stars for a long time.
RE: As Giants fans we tend to temper our excitement with our stars...  
BlueLou : 5/19/2015 12:46 am : link
In comment 12291133 Damon said:
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And over value our sleepers...

This guy is the best player to come into the league in a while. He is special. We are lucky to have him. Bless him to stay healthy...

He will only get better. His numbers might not sustain.. But with additional weapons.. He will make the players around him better. And he will still come up big when the lights are on. Because Eli trusts him... And Eli has been making lesser players look like stars for a long time.


I don't know how "lesser" players like Nicks, Cruz, Plax, Manningham were, but Eli being Eli, he's a gunslinger and sure as hell doesn't play to maximize his own stat line, is the perfect QB to "feed" a guy like Beckham. OBJ will get targeted plenty, with or without a healthy Cruz and a cognizant Randle and a developing Donnell out there with him.

Anyone see that video wherein Eli was asked about OBJ, about "the catch" I suppose, and Eli replied: "I have to keep throwing the ball to him just badly enough for him to continue like that..."

LOL that's Eli.
More specifically what I mean is,  
BlueLou : 5/19/2015 12:51 am : link
when there are reads and adjustments to make, to intentionally put OBJ into certain matchups by motioning him before the snap, changing whether OBJ is lined up at x, y, or z, Eli will make those reads and put OBJ in the matchup the team is looking for. So he'll get plenty of targets no matter how he is game planned against. I think...
Antonio Brown has a streak of 33 straight 5+ catch games  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/19/2015 1:16 am : link
Beckham is basically a turbocharged Antonio Brown in terms of style. Guys who win on route running and quickness, guys who can line up anywhere and make plays all over the field. The fact that Beckham can combine the Antonio Brown skill-set with Larry Fitz hands/catch radius is what makes him unlike anything else we've seen.

I look at those Rams and Eagles games. At that point every HC and DC knew what kind of monster Beckham was. It didn't matter if he was a rookie, he received Superstar treatment in that game from the opposing team.

The Rams literally wanted to kill him. The Eagles claimed that stopping him was "their Super Bowl".

33 targets for 20 catches, 333 yards, and 3 TD

It was a great season but those two games were just on a different level. You could tell those two teams/defenses did everything in their power to stop him, and this rookie just made them look like fools.

My one concern is physicality. He actually impressed me with his strength so I'm not calling him some softie but if there is a hole in his repertoire I think that's it. He even admitted that improving against press coverage was the #1 thing he wanted to train on this off-season. If he can become a little stronger, it's game over.
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