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Ross Tucker: NYG players fear JPP will dog it once he's paid

FranknWeezer : 5/18/2015 1:39 pm
Tough to fit it all in the subject line, but the gist of what I'm saying is that Ross Tucker is hearing from NYG players that they are concerned that JPP will get lazy and lay it down once he hits that next big contract. Ross played 7 years in the NFL and spent some time in the NFCE with the Skins and Cowboys, so I'm sure he's got some good connections to our team. Plus, he and Bob Papa do 4 hours together on Sirius NFL Radio several mornings a week.

But anyhow, this should not come as a huge surprise to BBI, b/c many of us have speculated to as much in the past...i.e. maybe this is one reason he's playing this year on the franchise tag as opposed to Reese extending him.

I've embedded a clip from his podcast from last Thursday onto SoundCloud (posted below the threadstarter) so you can hear it for yourself.

As an aside, most of you BBI'ers would really the RT Football Podcast, which is free on iTunes, etc.

http://www.rosstucker.com/wp/podcasts/ross-tucker-football-podcast/

My favorite regular guests are Andrew Brandt (former agent/team executive slant) and Greg Cosell (NFL Films; great at breaking down players/schemes, etc.). Lots of good content and fodder for BBI discussion there, especially during the slow offseason.
Clip on JPP from Ross Tucker Football Podcast feat. Andrew Brandt (5-14-15) - ( New Window )
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Heard about this years  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/18/2015 8:56 pm : link
ago from a player on the team. Said he's the last one to show up, first to leave type of player.
I really hope they don't give him insane  
Ned In Atlanta : 5/18/2015 10:28 pm : link
big money. I hate the justification "he's the best player we have on D, we can't let him leave!" If he's going to mail it in once he's paid it doesn't matter how good he is. Last year he turned it on and racked up some garbage stats at the end of the season. I hope they let him walk.
Jpp is no more injury prone than everyone else  
djm : 5/18/2015 11:18 pm : link
Everyone gets hurt. Jpp has missed s handful of games his entire career. When you say he's injury prone who are you comparing him to? Jim Marshall?

He played every game last season. His worst season he played what 14 games? Injury prone? What does that make a guy like prince? He missed more games than jpp but we can wait to sign this guy long term.

If the money is right you re-sign jpp. You're in this business to win and jpp is a winning player. Again the money has to be right.
Which players are saying this? These are anonymous quotes.  
David in LA : 5/19/2015 3:11 am : link
I'd bet this was put out by the organization as a negotiating ploy to drive his price down.
Ross Tucker is a tool  
Glover : 5/19/2015 7:50 am : link
he has filled a vacuum on sirius by doing any and every show that needed an opinion, I hate listening to him. He has even infiltrated the fantasy football channel on sirius where he is even more worthless. I won't deny he knows football, but some of his takes are just unbearable. I don't know if he actually has heard these kind of things from actual Giants players, or he heard someone heard them, it doesnt really matter, he remains a tool.

I am not worried JPP will tank after getting a big contract with guaranteed money. I think the Giants did the right thing by franchising him, and hopefully they didn't do it to buy time to negotiate a contract. His injury history and lack of production related to it are just too risky to know that he is the guy to pay big money to. In their current situation they can not do without him, so they franchised him. Now drafting OO and D Moore with another season, perhaps they can move on after 2015 and let him go in FA. 20 million for a second franchise tag season is a bitch to pay, and for them to give him the big money contract he would have to have a season like his second year in the league, staying healthy all year. They would have moved on from him this season if they had anyone they had confidence in to take his place. So to me its more about his injury history than him potentially slacking once receiving a big money deal.
TTH  
JonC : 5/19/2015 8:16 am : link
This is isn't a figment of the imagination, this has followed him since his second pro season. Anyone knowledgeable enough could sit and break down game video and see where effort isn't where it should be.
RE: TTH  
dorgan : 5/19/2015 8:30 am : link
In comment 12292272 JonC said:
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This is isn't a figment of the imagination, this has followed him since his second pro season. Anyone knowledgeable enough could sit and break down game video and see where effort isn't where it should be.


His effort is uneven. I've seen him bust his ass for 3 plays and take two off.
Drives me nuts. He'd be in the top 3 league wide if he'd show up in shape AND give a great effort on every play.

Tough to measure JPP because he is often  
nicky43 : 5/19/2015 8:36 am : link
fighting injuries. That said, I don't put much value on a player who is injured 50% of the time he's been with us. I don't know how accurate that 50% figure is but it seems to me to be at least that. And if not than why has his play been subpar so often?

In my mind he's a good player but far from great. And as inconsistent that he is, I think it's sad that we had to put a franchise tag on him and mostly because we don't have anything better in that key position. This is why I'm excited to see what Odigiddy can do.

RE: RE: TTH  
JonC : 5/19/2015 8:41 am : link
In comment 12292280 dorgan said:
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In comment 12292272 JonC said:


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This is isn't a figment of the imagination, this has followed him since his second pro season. Anyone knowledgeable enough could sit and break down game video and see where effort isn't where it should be.



His effort is uneven. I've seen him bust his ass for 3 plays and take two off.
Drives me nuts. He'd be in the top 3 league wide if he'd show up in shape AND give a great effort on every play.


Agreed, and it's that very thing that prevents him from being the player the fans believe he is.
lots of homer-ism going on here  
ThatLimerickGuy : 5/19/2015 9:05 am : link
Look jpp is a good pass rusher but he is much closer to Osi against the run than Strahan. There is this strange BBI myth that jpp is a good run defender but other teams run RIGHT at him a lot. He also still has trouble diagnosing screens and misdirections. This isn't conjecture or opinion just watch the tqpe.

I've been vocal on this for a while but the good news is that imo Reese is playing this perfect.

linmerick  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 9:45 am : link
that is 100% false.

JPP is one of the best 4-3 DE run defenders in the NFL.

not sure what games you're watching if you compare him to Osi. He may not be Strahan in terms of technique and consistency, but I've seen him do things Strahan didn't have the physical ability to do.

I think JPP's "problems" are instincts, he just doesn't have the best instincts to read plays properly - and he'll crash down the line inappropriately and usage. I'd move him around more.

I'm interesting in seeing how he plays this year. though this has the potential to be the least talent DL of his career unless Owa can get on the field early.

RE: TTH  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/19/2015 9:49 am : link
In comment 12292272 JonC said:
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This is isn't a figment of the imagination, this has followed him since his second pro season. Anyone knowledgeable enough could sit and break down game video and see where effort isn't where it should be.


More than willing to accept new information where there is some, and I don't count eye-test as such. We've been through this before where the groupthink comes up with a certain perception of a guy and that sticks to him.

If someone wants to point me to some proof, I'm certainly openminded enough. I'm just not taking "well I've seen him take plays off" as gospel.
RE: RE: One player rarely makes a defense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/19/2015 9:57 am : link
In comment 12291297 Go Terps said:
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In comment 12291288 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Charles Woodson is going to the Hall of Fame and he's played on some terrible defenses. JJ Watt led the Texans to the 24th ranked scoring defense in 2013.

You can't apply the Reggie White type of standards to everyone.



Yes I can, if we're going to pay him like he's Reggie White.

By this logic, you wouldn't have extended Strahan in 2001.
Suit yourself, dude  
JonC : 5/19/2015 10:00 am : link
I know what I've seen, and Joey, Eric, Dorgan, Anish, KWALL and others also recognize it. That's not Groupthink, that's pretty solid track record of accuracy.
RE: Which players are saying this? These are anonymous quotes.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/19/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12292234 David in LA said:
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I'd bet this was put out by the organization as a negotiating ploy to drive his price down.


Nothing would surprise me..Good point..I think..:)
TTH  
Go Terps : 5/19/2015 10:06 am : link
I may be wrong, but I can't ever recall effort being an issue for Strahan. And while I personally found Strahan annoying, I don't think JPP is close to where he was as a player. Strahan was a technical master at the position, where JPP has thus far gotten by on a physical skill set which while impressive will erode with time as it does for all players.

As for taking the word of anyone here, you don't have to. The questions about his effort now appear to be coming from his teammates, if you believe the article. And if you don't believe the article, the fact that the front office hasn't seen fit to give him a contract already must give you pause.
RE: TTH  
Big Blue '56 : 5/19/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12292416 Go Terps said:
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I may be wrong, but I can't ever recall effort being an issue for Strahan. And while I personally found Strahan annoying, I don't think JPP is close to where he was as a player. Strahan was a technical master at the position, where JPP has thus far gotten by on a physical skill set which while impressive will erode with time as it does for all players.

As for taking the word of anyone here, you don't have to. The questions about his effort now appear to be coming from his teammates, if you believe the article. And if you don't believe the article, the fact that the front office hasn't seen fit to give him a contract already must give you pause.


Can't disagree all that much, but not having a contract could also arise from JPP's much inflated worth
Does anyone remember the Chicago game,  
Doomster : 5/19/2015 10:10 am : link
where JPP had the guy tackled, but released him, and went to tackle someone else? The guy he released had the ball and scored....

Does anyone remember all the qb runs around his end last year?

But by the same token, does everyone remember the play he made on RGIII at the goal line last year?

The guy makes plays.....but he is not a force, week to week, on defense......he had a good statistical year by feasting on the weak end of the schedule....

We have no idea, what numbers he is asking......but he is not the kind of guy you sell the farm on on either....

If he doesn't take the Giant offer, he plays for 15M this year, and that will be it.....there is no way the Giants pay him 15M, and then franchise him again next year for 18M....If he plays under the tag this year, he will play cautiously, to avoid injury, and he will accumulate sacks, rather than create them...
It's not the taking plays  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 10:11 am : link
off or dogging it comments that don't make sense. I watch s ton of NFL games, like most of us, I think it's probably common.

is JPP worse than others, who knows and not saying that makes it right.

My contention with this article and line of thinking is the cash will be the reason. That premise i believe is silly. as I mentioned he's made almost $35M in his 6 years (after this year). I could buy that rationale if JPP were a UDFA or even 3rd/4th round pick who was destitute.

this doesn't make sense to me. how long does he think they'll keep him motivated with $15M checks+ on the line each year?
RE: Suit yourself, dude  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/19/2015 10:11 am : link
In comment 12292396 JonC said:
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I know what I've seen, and Joey, Eric, Dorgan, Anish, KWALL and others also recognize it. That's not Groupthink, that's pretty solid track record of accuracy.


Totally entitled to share opinions.

Eye test vs metrics is always going to be a hot button.
RE: RE: TTH  
djm : 5/19/2015 10:20 am : link
In comment 12292371 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12292272 JonC said:


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This is isn't a figment of the imagination, this has followed him since his second pro season. Anyone knowledgeable enough could sit and break down game video and see where effort isn't where it should be.



More than willing to accept new information where there is some, and I don't count eye-test as such. We've been through this before where the groupthink comes up with a certain perception of a guy and that sticks to him.

If someone wants to point me to some proof, I'm certainly openminded enough. I'm just not taking "well I've seen him take plays off" as gospel.


Thank you. I 'd like to see any shred of proof as well. I know the Giants and JPP not agreeing to a long term deal says something, but it doesn't say everything. JPP takes plays off now? Where is this stuff coming from? JPP is a top 3 DE in the NFL. All this talk of could be if he tried harder...I don't necessarily disagree with all the supposed negatives but I don't agree with them either.

I keep seeing JPP labeled here as lazy and not that great....name me 3 better 4-3 DEs in the NFL.

Again...someone name me three 4-3 DEs in all of football. I have asked this over and over and no one ever lists 1 let alone 3. Why is that?

Anyone?
He could be the best 4-3 DE in football,  
Go Terps : 5/19/2015 10:22 am : link
That's still a different thing than being worth the contract his agent will command.
if someone told you right now  
djm : 5/19/2015 10:24 am : link
that JPP over the next 5 seasons JPP would put up 3 more seasons just like 2014, 1 more like 2011 and 1 more like 2012 or even 2013...we'd be nuts to pass that up. And you'd be hard pressed to find 2 DEs that will better that kind of production.

So if I could guarantee you 3 "good" seasons and 1 meh season along with 1 DPOY caliber season, would you take that? I know I would. You aren't finding any better than that.

I'm so sick of the argument that JPP  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 10:25 am : link
had a good year by feasting on the weak.

For one thing who is the player who has great stats against the great players? Who is the WR that went off against Revis? Strahan had probably half his career sacks against Jon Runyan, who counts that against him?

JPP had sacks against (and I'm assuming they were against the LT, but gauging responsibility doesn't always work this way):

1.5 vs Jered Veldheer 4th best LT per PFF in the NFC (Veldheer's 2nd worst game of the year)

2 vs Tryon Smith 3rd best LT per PFF in the NFC

1.5 vs Luke Joeckel (struggled)

2 vs Will Svitek (backup)

2.5 vs Trent Williams (one of the best)

1 vs Greg Robinson (rookie #2 overall pick)


2 vs Jason Peters (his only PFF negative pass blocking grade OF THE SEASON)

so of his 12.5 sacks 8 came against top tier left tackles.


RE: if someone told you right now  
Go Terps : 5/19/2015 10:27 am : link
In comment 12292455 djm said:
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that JPP over the next 5 seasons JPP would put up 3 more seasons just like 2014, 1 more like 2011 and 1 more like 2012 or even 2013...we'd be nuts to pass that up. And you'd be hard pressed to find 2 DEs that will better that kind of production.

So if I could guarantee you 3 "good" seasons and 1 meh season along with 1 DPOY caliber season, would you take that? I know I would. You aren't finding any better than that.


Why would I believe that we'd get anything approaching that?
if NY can sign him  
djm : 5/19/2015 10:28 am : link
to something close to crazy but not completely crazy, they have to strongly consider it. Great players cost money but they can help you win games more than 2 pretty good players would.

It's a fine line between being careful and being too careful. Do you not want to spend elite money along the DL? We did it before with Strahan, Osi and Tuck--if we can get JPP signed to a pumped up Tuck type deal you'd have to consider it. Why is JPP more dangerous to sign that Tuck was? Tuck missed time in 06. A lot of time --more than JPP missed..

I guess it's the back injury but from all accounts he's fine now. I just hope that if they let this guy walk they know for damn sure he's a dog and not worth the money. Losing JPP would be a big blow.
His back is certainly a concern and perhaps  
Big Blue '56 : 5/19/2015 10:32 am : link
that's an issue with the Giants preventing contract closure..

As for plays off, who besides J.J. Watt and Frank Ferraro doesn't do that?
RE: RE: if someone told you right now  
djm : 5/19/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12292462 Go Terps said:
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In comment 12292455 djm said:


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that JPP over the next 5 seasons JPP would put up 3 more seasons just like 2014, 1 more like 2011 and 1 more like 2012 or even 2013...we'd be nuts to pass that up. And you'd be hard pressed to find 2 DEs that will better that kind of production.

So if I could guarantee you 3 "good" seasons and 1 meh season along with 1 DPOY caliber season, would you take that? I know I would. You aren't finding any better than that.




Why would I believe that we'd get anything approaching that?


BEcause he just did it!!!

You guys act like JPP isn't a plus player at DE. You also act like Tuck and Strahan never got beat to the edge. Strahan was a great player but he got beat and he got beat badly at times. WTF happened in those 1997 and 2003 playoff games? Strahan never missed a tackle? JPP isn't Strahan but Strahan wasn't JPP through 5 seasons...

Revisionist history and for whatever reason, a witch hunt against JPP's play. Fine tooth that shit all you want, the guy is a top THREE DE 4-3 DE right now. IF you are scared he won't play after getting paid that's fine, but his play on the field sure as fuck hasn't proven this theory. The guy has played very well more often than not and brilliantly at times. If he's lazy, it's not manifesting on the field.
Cap league  
JonC : 5/19/2015 10:38 am : link
If you tell me you think JPP's worth what the team has reportedly offered ($11-12M AAV plus incentives), then I'd lean towards agreeing with you.

His agent is reportedly seeking $16M AAV, which couches the debate entirely differently, imv.
RE: Cap league  
Big Blue '56 : 5/19/2015 10:41 am : link
In comment 12292504 JonC said:
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If you tell me you think JPP's worth what the team has reportedly offered ($11-12M AAV plus incentives), then I'd lean towards agreeing with you.

His agent is reportedly seeking $16M AAV, which couches the debate entirely differently, imv.


13 mill plus some kind of injury protection clause sounds like a decent compromise, imo
RE: Cap league  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12292504 JonC said:
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If you tell me you think JPP's worth what the team has reportedly offered ($11-12M AAV plus incentives), then I'd lean towards agreeing with you.

His agent is reportedly seeking $16M AAV, which couches the debate entirely differently, imv.


I don't disagree on his worth, my only disagreements with this whole premise are:

1. I don't believe money will cause him to "dog it", if he dogs it now or takes plays off now, why would money make him dog it more? It's silly.

2. I believe he's (JPP) underrated on here a little, when you view things from the lens of replacing him. not saying $$$ per say, but on field production I don't think people give him enough credit because he had a HOF 2011
pj  
JonC : 5/19/2015 10:54 am : link
I think the leaked concerns reinforce some concerns he'll dog it once paid. It's been talked about since 2012, I find it hard to believe there's nothing at the root of it.

I understand the view through the lens of replacing him, but reality is I'd rather try to replace him and not make a costly 5-6 year mistake. There's an inherent gamble involved, one the team is being cautious about, which should tell us all something.
djm  
Go Terps : 5/19/2015 10:55 am : link
Why would I think he'd do that again? The comments in the linked article come from his teammates, not from anyone here. There is no witch hunt.

I'm not interested in paying for what a player has done. I'd rather get my money's worth during the life of the contract... Especially if the contract is big. We're talking about a cornerstone contract here... For that kind of money the player should be nearly beyond reproach, but:

- came back after Super Bowl win out of shape
- has had his fair share of injuries whether or not he's played through them
- has had a back surgery on a herniated disc
- team has been willing to put franchise tag on him rather than give him a new contract
- rumors of laziness are coming from his teammates
- the defense has been poor every year since 2010 despite his presence

That is too many red flags for a cornerstone contract type of player.
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 11:06 am : link
In comment 12292530 JonC said:
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I think the leaked concerns reinforce some concerns he'll dog it once paid. It's been talked about since 2012, I find it hard to believe there's nothing at the root of it.

I understand the view through the lens of replacing him, but reality is I'd rather try to replace him and not make a costly 5-6 year mistake. There's an inherent gamble involved, one the team is being cautious about, which should tell us all something.


Then why franchise him instead of letting him go as a UFA? that would have freed up cap space and been a lot less risky.

at $15M per JPP is 2nd to JJ Watt is cap money and $$ for a 4-3DE.

think about it this way, if he plays on the tag that's probably half the guaranteed money they could have given him on a longer team deal.

I'm obviously not as well versed in the cap as some, but if JPP signed for 35M guaranteed, and the Giants front-loaded the guarantees, after three years he could be cut relatively pain free and 2015 is one of the three.

JJ Watt only got 21M guaranteed (though he had two years remaining on his deal when he signed), so I think $35M would get it done for JPP and not hamstring the team.

Something like 6 years 66M 35M guaranteed, with that $35M basically paid in years 1 - 3, so the final three years are just pro-rated bonus and mostly salary making him a painless cut.
Sorry  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 11:07 am : link
2nd to Mario Williams in $$$, Watt is a 3-4 DE
PJ  
Go Terps : 5/19/2015 11:11 am : link
I do agree about your question on the franchise tag. Not what I would have done.
RE: RE: pj  
Big Blue '56 : 5/19/2015 11:14 am : link
In comment 12292560 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12292530 JonC said:


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I think the leaked concerns reinforce some concerns he'll dog it once paid. It's been talked about since 2012, I find it hard to believe there's nothing at the root of it.

I understand the view through the lens of replacing him, but reality is I'd rather try to replace him and not make a costly 5-6 year mistake. There's an inherent gamble involved, one the team is being cautious about, which should tell us all something.



Then why franchise him instead of letting him go as a UFA? that would have freed up cap space and been a lot less risky.

at $15M per JPP is 2nd to JJ Watt is cap money and $$ for a 4-3DE.

think about it this way, if he plays on the tag that's probably half the guaranteed money they could have given him on a longer team deal.

I'm obviously not as well versed in the cap as some, but if JPP signed for 35M guaranteed, and the Giants front-loaded the guarantees, after three years he could be cut relatively pain free and 2015 is one of the three.

JJ Watt only got 21M guaranteed (though he had two years remaining on his deal when he signed), so I think $35M would get it done for JPP and not hamstring the team.

Something like 6 years 66M 35M guaranteed, with that $35M basically paid in years 1 - 3, so the final three years are just pro-rated bonus and mostly salary making him a painless cut.


I wasn't happy about the Tag, but can live with it given our cap this year..There weren't all that many enticing FAs for us this year, so we could afford the tag..
Guess the Giants aren't as impressed with JPP's recent play  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/19/2015 11:17 am : link
as some others are. Stay strong, Giants.
if the Giants weren't impressed with JPP's play  
djm : 5/19/2015 11:20 am : link
they wouldn't have slapped the FT on him and paid the guy a small fortune this season.

The Giants aren't exactly ushering JPP out the door.
I also believe  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 11:24 am : link
it to be true that in almost no case does a team want a player to play on the franchise tag.

I think it's a tool to use while negotiating a long-term contract.

There are so many cases of acrimony between players (which I don't get b/c it's a ton of money) and the teams when they tag someone and cannot come to agreement.

See Wes Welker for one.

When is the last Giants player to actually play a season on the FT?

not get tagged, but actually play out the year on it? Jumbo Elliott (I know he was tagged, not sure if he played on it) and that was like 25 years ago.

RE: if the Giants weren't impressed with JPP's play  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/19/2015 11:26 am : link
In comment 12292603 djm said:
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they wouldn't have slapped the FT on him and paid the guy a small fortune this season.

The Giants aren't exactly ushering JPP out the door.


I didn't say they weren't impressed at all, but clearly not enough to sign him to a longterm deal more to his liking.
RE: Tag  
JonC : 5/19/2015 11:26 am : link
From the get go it appears clear they're trying to retain JPP at their price. Ultimately, JPP could simply hold his ground and continue to force the team to Tag him or let him go.

But, for now they appear content to use the leverage tool that's available to them to continue to try and create the compromise.

djm  
Go Terps : 5/19/2015 11:28 am : link
They aren't exactly rolling out the red carpet either. None of the points I listed in my 10:55am post are false, and I'm guessing they reflect what the Giants have been thinking for a while now.

Again, if the Giants felt great about JPP, why hasn't he been given the contract? Why risk angering a cornerstone player and potentially mess up his whole season?

Personally I think the franchise tag was a half measure, and like most half measures I don't expect it to go well. The smart money seems to be on JPP missing all or part of camp and the preseason.
I think  
dorgan : 5/19/2015 11:44 am : link
they'll eventually find some common ground and get a contract done.

DEs that can rush the passer and play the run are as rare as hen's teeth and the FO knows that.
They also have had several years to have gauged his talent, work ethic and dedication.
If they don't get it done, it will be because they find him lacking in one of the latter two.
They know the talent is there.
Who are these players speaking up?  
Chris684 : 5/19/2015 11:56 am : link
Why are we to believe this article? Where are the other examples of him slacking off?

Again, injury concerns, more specifically about his back are valid. Clearly the Giants arent willing to give him a blank check, but when he is healthy he is arguably the best 2-way DE in the league.

Sounds to me like this article is intended to drive his price down.

Here are some random quotes from the past few years.


This is from Tuck in 2012.

"I think I said something to him about his hand placement and there he was by the end of practice, fixing it," defensive lineman Justin Tuck said. "I think we said something to him about his stance a month ago and he fixed it.

"He's not just trying to get by on his athletic ability. He's trying to go way beyond that."

After dealing with his injuries the previous 2 years. Fewell had this to say last August.

"That's the old JPP," Fewell said. "His attitude is good, his work ethic has been very good . . . He's having fun again in football."


This is from this current offseason.

But that doesn’t mean that Pierre-Paul will relax during this phase of offseason workouts. Just after midnight early Monday, the defensive end, who had 12.5 sacks in a resurgent 2014, stressed in an Instagram post that he is training and readying for 2015. He’s been training with Michael Alessi, a Florida-based trainer.

“Back to work tomorrow, I’m laughing right now,” he said, adding three smiley faces. “I’ve been WORKING! Tomorrow lets get it with @malessi2 Let’sGetBetter #90PowerCircle.”

Finally TC, also from this year.

“We are convinced that we want him back, without a doubt,” Coughlin said, via the New York Post. “There’s been a lot of different discussions. Hopefully, he’s going to remain a Giant. The goal is for him to be a Giant and play as a Giant forever and retire as a Giant. How that works out is another issue.”
Pjacs  
ThatLimerickGuy : 5/19/2015 3:18 pm : link
You are wrong but I understand why you are beating the drum of JPP being a plus run defender- it's because it is repeated over and over here as some mantra. Where that came from I have no idea.

I have seen every single snap the man has played as a professional and reviewed his play on the all 22. He is OK as a run defender but teams specifically use his lack of discipline against him over and over and over again.

Top players in the league don't get by on physical talent alone, and without the ability (or desire?) to learn the necessary nuances to become great JPP will always just be what he is. A player who will flash but lacks polish and consistency. You don't give those guys max long term contracts unless your name is Dan Snyder or you work for the Jets. The right move is to use the rookie contract to get what you can for your initial investment and then put a value on the total package. That's what Reese is doing, and the x factor in this is the franchise tag, which is dangled in front of JPP as his ticket to a huge payday.

It's the same thing they did with Nicks (without the tag)and that worked out amazingly. "Go ahead and do your thing and we have the checkbook right here". If a guy doesn't respond to that he is a dog. We'll see how JPP treats it.
TLG  
JonC : 5/19/2015 3:23 pm : link
Excellent post.
RE: Pjacs  
mfsd : 5/19/2015 4:59 pm : link
In comment 12293119 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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You are wrong but I understand why you are beating the drum of JPP being a plus run defender- it's because it is repeated over and over here as some mantra. Where that came from I have no idea.

I have seen every single snap the man has played as a professional and reviewed his play on the all 22. He is OK as a run defender but teams specifically use his lack of discipline against him over and over and over again.

Top players in the league don't get by on physical talent alone, and without the ability (or desire?) to learn the necessary nuances to become great JPP will always just be what he is. A player who will flash but lacks polish and consistency. You don't give those guys max long term contracts unless your name is Dan Snyder or you work for the Jets. The right move is to use the rookie contract to get what you can for your initial investment and then put a value on the total package. That's what Reese is doing, and the x factor in this is the franchise tag, which is dangled in front of JPP as his ticket to a huge payday.

It's the same thing they did with Nicks (without the tag)and that worked out amazingly. "Go ahead and do your thing and we have the checkbook right here". If a guy doesn't respond to that he is a dog. We'll see how JPP treats it.


Agreed, very on point. JPP does hustle downfield to make a lot of tackles on running plays 5-10 yards past the LOS...but how many times have we seen him rush too far upfield (assisted by a well-coached offensive tackle), leaving a gaping hole for a RB to exploit? Osi was guilty of this his whole career, which is why, despite being a top pass rusher, he was no Strahan
Nicks  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 5:02 pm : link
had a debilitating injury. He never got paid, other than his rookie deal, if money was his motivator wouldn't he have gotten better approaching free agency, not worse?

Don't get the Nicks comparison at all.
JPP  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 5:13 pm : link
PFF: 6th 4-3 DE in the NFL against the run
BR: 12th rated DE in the NFL

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Known best for his ability to get to the quarterback, Jason Pierre-Paul (6’5”, 278 lbs, four seasons) is also a strong run defender. He is a strong edge-setter who has the speed to chase down runners and make plays in pursuit. Though he doesn’t do it consistently, he can utilize his length and hands to disengage from blocks and track down runners in the backfield.


Ranaan article:

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"At the end of the day, it's just numbers," Pierre-Paul said after one his better all-around performances of the season in a win over the Redskins. "If you look at the statistics and all-around stats though, I'm having a great season. It doesn't matter about the sacks."

What Pierre-Paul is referring to is his play against the run. He's far and away Pro Football Focus' No. 1 4-3 defensive end against the run (+17.6). Opposing teams are averaging 4.02 yards when running over the left tackle, where Pierre-Paul is most often lined up. In comparison, they're averaging 5.06 yards up the middle and 4.30 yards at the right tackle.

Pierre-Paul's play against the run has been there all year.


Quote from Nunn

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“[Pierre-Paul] has always been an outstanding run player,” Giants defensive line coach Robert Nunn told the media during the bye week. “He has been as good as there has been in the league. When he is healthy, he is as good of a run player that I have been around.”

Bill Kostroun/Associated Press

Still, if you’re wondering how Pierre-Paul can be so good against the run despite not having the numbers to show for it, just look at last week’s game against the 49ers" target="_blank">San Francisco 49ers.

Per PFF, of running back Frank Gore’s 19 runs, 10 went to the right side of the formation, which is manned on defense by Mathias Kiwanuka. Gore ended up recording 74 of his 95 yards by running away from Pierre-Paul.

That’s why when looking at the final stat sheet, Pierre-Paul had one tackle.



I'm sure you're an expert, but I'll go with my eyes and the majority of the other experts out there.
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