Tough to fit it all in the subject line, but the gist of what I'm saying is that Ross Tucker is hearing from NYG players that they are concerned that JPP will get lazy and lay it down once he hits that next big contract. Ross played 7 years in the NFL and spent some time in the NFCE with the Skins and Cowboys, so I'm sure he's got some good connections to our team. Plus, he and Bob Papa do 4 hours together on Sirius NFL Radio several mornings a week.
But anyhow, this should not come as a huge surprise to BBI, b/c many of us have speculated to as much in the past...i.e. maybe this is one reason he's playing this year on the franchise tag as opposed to Reese extending him.
I've embedded a clip from his podcast from last Thursday onto SoundCloud (posted below the threadstarter) so you can hear it for yourself.
As an aside, most of you BBI'ers would really the RT Football Podcast, which is free on iTunes, etc.
http://www.rosstucker.com/wp/podcasts/ross-tucker-football-podcast/
My favorite regular guests are Andrew Brandt (former agent/team executive slant) and Greg Cosell (NFL Films; great at breaking down players/schemes, etc.). Lots of good content and fodder for BBI discussion there, especially during the slow offseason.
Clip on JPP from Ross Tucker Football Podcast feat. Andrew Brandt (5-14-15) - (
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I'd go year to year with him, and franchise him for a couple years then let him walk.
I'm starting to think this is JPP's last season in blue. I hate losing this kind of player but I have to trust the Giants here. They rarely let a player walk too soon...
Whatever goes down, I will ride with the Giants here. It's a tough spot to be in. Having to fork over insane money for any player is scary let alone one that you might be just a little leery of. Even if it's the slightest feeling...it's scary.
So the Giants are holding the line in their negotiations, which they should do.....you can't overpay this guy, with the possibility of his health in question.....
If he signs the Tag, who knows when he will show up, and in what kind of shape....there is shape and there is football shape....
He could have another statistical year, choosing his time and place where he can put up some pretty good stats, but not be a force in the game...
So if he has the same season as last year, where he accumulated his stats against weaker teams, let QB's run by him for big gains, and was not the week to week defensive leader he had to be, would the Giants fork over 18M next year for that?
It's looking like we get one year out of JPP at 15M.....
If the Giants cave, they better cross their fingers for the length of the contract....
And never get any information again? Good plan.
it's not like he's a UDFA who has earned 2M spread out over 4 years.
In the past, the Giants always locked down the star DE. Be it Strahan, Tuck, Osi even Kiwi. They just don't let these guys get into their last year. YEt here we are with JPP...
What's the saying? Believe half of what you hear and none of what you read? Whatever the hell it is...believe what you see...and that's JPP in his final year getting the tag. It's apparent that this has reached near critical mass. If JPP has another big year that doesn't necessarily mean that the two get married and live happily ever after. The Giants know JPP can play. What's gonna change their mind one year from now? They will still be leery of dishing out the long term deal.
IN my view, if you loved JPP now you'd sign him already. Something is up..
I'd go year to year with him, and franchise him for a couple years then let him walk.
that would be bad football, wouldn't it? if they franchise him again next year it will be like 18M, that's 33M guaranteed in 2 years. they could have paid him 33M guaranteed for 5 years and cut him pain free after 2 if that's the approach they wanted to take.
If JPP didn't do squat in 2010 and slowly came on in 2011--then peaked in 2013-2014 everyone's perception of him would be different right now. Instead, we have a guy that played great down the stretch 2010 and played like a mad man in 2011...then slowed down but still produced 2012, bad year in 2013...then rebounds last season.
JPP has been a flat out better player than Strahan through their first 5 seasons yet by this time in Strahan's career, 1997, Strahan was locked down long term and fully entrenched as the face of the NYG defense.
UNless these rumors are true and the Giants simply know with certainty that JPP is a dog, the guy has been victimized by his own success, early on. He had a damn good season last year but it's dwarfed by his 2011 and overshadowed by 2013. Kinda weird...which leads me to believe something is up here.
It's a shame if true. Imagine being paid all that money to play a game you supposedly love, only to dog it and not put in the effort to be the best you can be. I KNOW that I never wanted to be beaten by the guy across from me whether in organized sports or a pickup game. Where's a guy's pride?!
What could JPP possibly be doing or saying that leads one to believe he's gonna dog it once he'd paid? He hasn't dogged it yet and if he dogs it after signing the deal he's gonna lose about half of his contract.
Who knows...
I've pointed these things out, tried to counter the "no-brainer" perspective on spending big moolah on JPP.
The potential for him losing his job for making shit up is a consequence. And who takes these things as gospel?
Looks like Banks has to call out Tucker again for this same crap.
Parcells or Belichick wouldn't stand for it, I doubt even the new Tom Coughlin would. Maybe Fewell did and that's going to change.
If I had to guess I'd say it's mostly a media creation with a shred of truth probably when he was coming back from injury.
the way he rushed back from his back injury - not even in a contract year or anything doesn't say lazy to me.
especially as it's being attributed by Ross Tucker - to cash - when JPP has probably already made more money than 99.9% of the population.
JPP works incredibly hard on the field. I don't recall him taking plays off even when he looked a bit heavy.
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at times in the past, and while it seems like he is working hard this off-season, he might be doing it just to get his big payday.
I'd go year to year with him, and franchise him for a couple years then let him walk.
that would be bad football, wouldn't it? if they franchise him again next year it will be like 18M, that's 33M guaranteed in 2 years. they could have paid him 33M guaranteed for 5 years and cut him pain free after 2 if that's the approach they wanted to take.
I don't think you can franchise and UFA, no? After this season won't he be unrestricted?
Wonder if he could've more specifically meant ex-players? Many of those guys are in media now- O'Hara, Toomer, Strahan, Diehl, etc. and probably run in same/similar circles as RT. Just throwing that out there...who knows.
they can franchise him again at a 20% increase over this year $15M tag amount.
So pay him $18M, that's $33M over two years.
It's possible, but I think it's a bad idea.
Like I've said before, the JPP Version 2011 was a market-rate All Pro DE. There's not been a sign of him since, just some strong moments here and there.
they can franchise him again at a 20% increase over this year $15M tag amount.
So pay him $18M, that's $33M over two years.
It's possible, but I think it's a bad idea.
I honestly did not know they could do that. Thanks, pjcas.
well the posts on her make him sound lazy. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone dogged it for a play or two. I just don't know the characterization is true.
especially the assigned motivation. JPP has earned after this year $33M. I don't see a long-term contract being the straw that makes him say F-it, I'm dogging it now, I got paid.
Sure, he has not duplicated his early success, that's not really debatable.
however, he's a top 10 DE. that too is not really debatable.
I'm not talking PFF or FO, or anywhere else besides what you see with your eyes.
And based on history this is likely "as bad as it will get" with JPP - not to mention the boost I think he'll get from Spags.
So to me it might not be a no-brainer to sign him, but I'd think long and hard about who you will be replacing him with.
if accurate, this may be a blessing for him to know what his peers think of him.
Now, if we are being totally objective here, Victor Cruz hasn't played like his 2011-12 version since he's been paid too. Extenuating circumstances? Yes. But he hasn't lived up to his contract either.
Antrel Rolle didn't live up to the last year of his contract. There are many examples.
Victor Cruz strikes me as that. OBJ strikes me as that. Not so much JPP.
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In fact, I have a raised eyebrow of any player on this team making that statement and taking them serious while checking their own stats while they are speaking with me if I am Tucker?
Wonder if he could've more specifically meant ex-players? Many of those guys are in media now- O'Hara, Toomer, Strahan, Diehl, etc. and probably run in same/similar circles as RT. Just throwing that out there...who knows.
So it could be some of the players that thought throwing big money at Eli would not be a smart move. Jealousy is a hell of a thing.
He aint gonna dog it this year or next year, he wants that 100 million dollar contract and in order for him to have any shot in hell at that he needs to kill it this season and next season. Unless he bites on the first huge contract offer from NYG that comes his way next year. But as of now he's playing his cards just fine, who cares about practice if he performs well on Sunday's
If JPP signed for what the team was rumored to be offering ($11-12M AAV) instead of the agent pushing for $16M+, I think we'd be more willing to sign off on it.
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Well, considering he got fat and lazy after a Super Bowl.. I can't fault anyone for assuming it would happen once he got paid.
JPP works incredibly hard on the field. I don't recall him taking plays off even when he looked a bit heavy.
Working hard on the field isn't even half the battle IMO. It's a 60 minute game. You have to work hard off the field so it pays off when you work hard on it.
There are plenty of players that put it all out their on the field/court but could have been so much more if they put that same effort into the gym/diet.
He was slowed down by a bad back, tried to play through it and then had surgery the following offseason. He wasnt himself again until around midseason of 2013 following his recovery.
He declared himself fully healthy right around the time they played Oakland, was all over the place, and then messed up his shoulder, which basically put him on the shelf, even though again he played through injury.
He constantly occupies multiple blockers, disrupts the run game and always seems to be around the ball.
I can see some concerns about his back more than I can he's a dog. When he's healthy he is an impact player.
Like I've said before, the JPP Version 2011 was a market-rate All Pro DE. There's not been a sign of him since, just some strong moments here and there.
NYG would love all their contracts to be incentive driven. This organization excels at dumpster diving. Hell they have made it an artform.