NFT: NBA Draft Lottery Tuesday, May 19, 2015 7:30pm

I'm really hoping two 5-14 teams jump into the top 3 so the Lakers lose their pick to Phoenix.

But who am I kidding. You know damn well the Lakers are getting one of those top 3 guys. I'd kind of like to see New York, Orlando and Phoenix go 1, 2, 3 and I'm not even a Knicks fan. Phoenix would be very interesting with the 3 and 6 picks.

That's what I'd like to see. What I really think it will be: Minnesota, LA, NY. But we'll see.

Top 2 or bust

or league help on the side of the Lakers nowadays, because they don't have either.

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illmatic : 8:45 am : link : reply I'm really hoping two 5-14 teams jump into the top 3 so the Lakers lose their pick to Phoenix. But who am I kidding. You know damn well the Lakers are getting one of those top 3 guys.

It's not top 2 or bust it's Okafor or bust for NY

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could have one of the worst years ever and wind falling outside of the top three picks..

Knicks
Wolves
Phoenix
Phi
Phi (via LA)

Knicks trade #1 for #4 and #5 and grab 2 studs!

goes to the 76ers top 5 protected this year, or top 3 protected next year.

Pretty sure that 76ers get Miami's pick top 10 protected this year.

But honestly it's so hard to figure out who will have the better career out of towns and okafor.

If we get the number one they will really have to do their homework.

As much as I am hoping for a top 4 pick (well, actually first pick in the draft but don't want to be greedy) as a Knick fan, I am fully expecting that the team falls to the fifth spot.

as long as the knicks end up top 2. And i wouldnt even be all that pissed if we ended up with 3. At least at 3 you get your choice of the guards (with a small chance okafor could still be there).

for the Knicks in 15 years. We have the ingredients to re-build- superstar in place, top pick and tons of cap room. After this nightmare of a stretch it would be such a shit burger to get #5. I'd be fine with a top 3 pick and could even live begrudgingly with #4 because we'd still be in position to get an elite guard. I am annoyed at the talk that we might pass on Mudiay because of the triangle. Seriously? If he's as good as many talk about you take him at 4 and worry about the triangle fit later. Phil won titles with Chicago and their Centers being anything but true Centers, and then won a handful of titles in LA with one of the classic NBA Centers of all time. Clearly there is more than one way to win with the triangle.

In comment 12292326 Stu11 said:

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for the Knicks in 15 years. We have the ingredients to re-build- superstar in place, top pick and tons of cap room. After this nightmare of a stretch it would be such a shit burger to get #5. I'd be fine with a top 3 pick and could even live begrudgingly with #4 because we'd still be in position to get an elite guard. I am annoyed at the talk that we might pass on Mudiay because of the triangle. Seriously? If he's as good as many talk about you take him at 4 and worry about the triangle fit later. Phil won titles with Chicago and their Centers being anything but true Centers, and then won a handful of titles in LA with one of the classic NBA Centers of all time. Clearly there is more than one way to win with the triangle.

agree make this pick based of the triangle would be the stupidest thing the knicks could do. Pick who you think will have the best NBA career. Phil could be gone nxt year, who knows

I would hate for them to end up with the #1 pick and for some reason the #2 guy ends up being "the pick" and as fans we spend the next ten plus seasons knowing what could have been.

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just hope we pick top 3. Obviously I want Towns but I wouldn't cry over Mudiay

as the reason why they didn't win a random bingo hall lottery drawing.

In comment 12292343 GiantFilthy said:

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kidding aside where would you rank Kaminsky? You really would take him #2 overall?

curious to see if Phil is willing to try and go the RFA route knowing the money gets tied up. Middleton would be a pretty sweet get but unlikely.

In comment 12292356 DanMetroMan said:

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kidding aside where would you rank Kaminsky? You really would take him #2 overall?

Nahhh definitely not. I think early teens is a good place for him. He needs to put on weight to handle good offensive centers down low, but he's extremely skilled and fluid. A lot of people call him Brad Miller redux, but that's really lazy. He's a tough guy to make a comparison to. I think a less crazy Rasheed is probably his best case scenario.

In comment 12292362 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 12292356 DanMetroMan said: Quote: kidding aside where would you rank Kaminsky? You really would take him #2 overall? Nahhh definitely not. I think early teens is a good place for him. He needs to put on weight to handle good offensive centers down low, but he's extremely skilled and fluid. A lot of people call him Brad Miller redux, but that's really lazy. He's a tough guy to make a comparison to. I think a less crazy Rasheed is probably his best case scenario.

Thanks. Was just curious. I actually like him but he looks like a nice complimentary player on a team with more talent than the Knicks. If our "big 2" after the draft were Melo/Kaminsky... yikes. I will say people are shitting on Brad Miller like the guy was some turd. Brad Miller made more all-star games than MOST players that will be picked this year. Would I love the Knicks drafting Brad Miller at 2 or 3? No obviously not but if you told me the Knicks signed Brad Miller 2.0 in the off-season I'd be really happy.

In comment 12292370 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12292362 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 12292356 DanMetroMan said: Quote: kidding aside where would you rank Kaminsky? You really would take him #2 overall? Nahhh definitely not. I think early teens is a good place for him. He needs to put on weight to handle good offensive centers down low, but he's extremely skilled and fluid. A lot of people call him Brad Miller redux, but that's really lazy. He's a tough guy to make a comparison to. I think a less crazy Rasheed is probably his best case scenario. Thanks. Was just curious. I actually like him but he looks like a nice complimentary player on a team with more talent than the Knicks. If our "big 2" after the draft were Melo/Kaminsky... yikes. I will say people are shitting on Brad Miller like the guy was some turd. Brad Miller made more all-star games than MOST players that will be picked this year. Would I love the Knicks drafting Brad Miller at 2 or 3? No obviously not but if you told me the Knicks signed Brad Miller 2.0 in the off-season I'd be really happy.

The Brad Miller comparison is lazy not because Brad is a bad player, but because they're just both white so everyone defaults to him. Frank is far more fluid and skilled offensively.

but I think the top tier is 5 deep. Winslow will be a great pro.

really isn't a Winslow believer. Ranks him 7th overall and thinks he did his best work at the 4 in college a position he won't play in the NBA.

What are the concerns about Russell? I see a top shooter, a great passer, and an unselfish player. Can't claim he's a good defensive guy, but his offensive skills certainly fit the triangle.

know about any of the Euro guys, but I think Winslow can be a good pro. Probably not a superstar, but he has decent enough upside.

is a borderline HOF.

In comment 12292393 yatqb said:

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What are the concerns about Russell? I see a top shooter, a great passer, and an unselfish player. Can't claim he's a good defensive guy, but his offensive skills certainly fit the triangle.

I just don't think he has the athleticism to guard the one or penetrate against other point guards. He's more James Harden than Chris Paul. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing of course...

In comment 12292399 giants#1 said:

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is a borderline HOF.

looked severely exposed in the tourney to the point I think he really hurt his stock barring amazing workouts. I expect Mudiay to go ahead of Russell based on workouts as well.

upside is seemingly maybe the most in the entire draft or close to it but I just can't see the Knicks taking a guy who at minimum is 2 years from helping.

Okafor's crappy FT shooting makes him a massive liability. He's useless in close games because he doesn't play defense.

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In comment 12292413 RB^2 said:

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Okafor's crappy FT shooting makes him a massive liability. He's useless in close games because he doesn't play defense.

Towns is a lock #1 overall barring something truly shocking. SOME question if Okafor is a lock at #2, guess it depends on the team. Knicks reportedly very high on Mudiay.

In comment 12292413 RB^2 said:

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Okafor's crappy FT shooting makes him a massive liability. He's useless in close games because he doesn't play defense.

Less of a liability if they make a rule change this year (which I'm against, hit your effing FTs!).

In comment 12292419 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12292413 RB^2 said: Quote: Okafor's crappy FT shooting makes him a massive liability. He's useless in close games because he doesn't play defense. Towns is a lock #1 overall barring something truly shocking. SOME question if Okafor is a lock at #2, guess it depends on the team. Knicks reportedly very high on Mudiay.

I like a lot of what I hear about Mudiay. You can teach him to shoot, but you can't teach athleticism and BBIQ.

All we need is a top 3 pick and I'm happy.

Okafor - Rich man's Carlos Boozer. Note: a Boozer comparison isn't generally a compliment and for good reason. But to Boozer's good attributes (great hands, polished low post moves, excellent footwork and strength to gain and maintain low post position, ability to finish at the rim w either hand despite not being a dunker), Okafor has these attributes and better than Boozer. Low post passer in the mold of Brad Daugherty. Whether he'll defend and rebound adequately remains to be seen.

Kaminski - slightly bigger, slightly less athletic Gallinari.

Mundiay - Haven't seen anything other than what's available online, but to me he's a lot like Baron Davis.

Russell - you most often hear James Harden, but I don't think he'll ever be that good. I see more of a left handed Carter Williams.

Winslow - a better version of Kahwi Leonard which is a great compliment. Love the kid's strength, competitiveness, defensive ability and transition game. I think he'll be the best player in the draft when all is said and done.

Towns - I struggle with this one in terms of a comparison. Poor man's Garnett? Probably not. Thoughts?

In comment 12292458 Pep22 said:

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Okafor - Rich man's Carlos Boozer. Note: a Boozer comparison isn't generally a compliment and for good reason. But to Boozer's good attributes (great hands, polished low post moves, excellent footwork and strength to gain and maintain low post position, ability to finish at the rim w either hand despite not being a dunker), Okafor has these attributes and better than Boozer. Low post passer in the mold of Brad Daugherty. Whether he'll defend and rebound adequately remains to be seen. Kaminski - slightly bigger, slightly less athletic Gallinari. Mundiay - Haven't seen anything other than what's available online, but to me he's a lot like Baron Davis. Russell - you most often hear James Harden, but I don't think he'll ever be that good. I see more of a left handed Carter Williams. Winslow - a better version of Kahwi Leonard which is a great compliment. Love the kid's strength, competitiveness, defensive ability and transition game. I think he'll be the best player in the draft when all is said and done. Towns - I struggle with this one in terms of a comparison. Poor man's Garnett? Probably not. Thoughts?

If teams thought Winslow would be a better Leonard he'd be 100% in the discussion for #1 overall and I haven't seen ANYONE saying he's on that level.

he'd be THE #1 overall pick.

Kaminsky to Rasheed Wallace is absolutely insane. Not the first time he's done it, but it's an awful comparison

In comment 12292458 Pep22 said:

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Okafor - Rich man's Carlos Boozer. Note: a Boozer comparison isn't generally a compliment and for good reason. But to Boozer's good attributes (great hands, polished low post moves, excellent footwork and strength to gain and maintain low post position, ability to finish at the rim w either hand despite not being a dunker), Okafor has these attributes and better than Boozer. Low post passer in the mold of Brad Daugherty. Whether he'll defend and rebound adequately remains to be seen. Kaminski - slightly bigger, slightly less athletic Gallinari. Mundiay - Haven't seen anything other than what's available online, but to me he's a lot like Baron Davis. Russell - you most often hear James Harden, but I don't think he'll ever be that good. I see more of a left handed Carter Williams. Winslow - a better version of Kahwi Leonard which is a great compliment. Love the kid's strength, competitiveness, defensive ability and transition game. I think he'll be the best player in the draft when all is said and done. Towns - I struggle with this one in terms of a comparison. Poor man's Garnett? Probably not. Thoughts?

No chance on the Gallo comparison. Gallinari is a 3. Frank is a 5. He doesnt have the footspeed to be a 4, nevermind a 3.

In comment 12292468 MookGiants said:

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Kaminsky to Rasheed Wallace is absolutely insane. Not the first time he's done it, but it's an awful comparison

Nah. It's pretty great.

In comment 12292458 Pep22 said:

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Okafor - Rich man's Carlos Boozer. Note: a Boozer comparison isn't generally a compliment and for good reason. But to Boozer's good attributes (great hands, polished low post moves, excellent footwork and strength to gain and maintain low post position, ability to finish at the rim w either hand despite not being a dunker), Okafor has these attributes and better than Boozer. Low post passer in the mold of Brad Daugherty. Whether he'll defend and rebound adequately remains to be seen. Kaminski - slightly bigger, slightly less athletic Gallinari. Mundiay - Haven't seen anything other than what's available online, but to me he's a lot like Baron Davis. Russell - you most often hear James Harden, but I don't think he'll ever be that good. I see more of a left handed Carter Williams. Winslow - a better version of Kahwi Leonard which is a great compliment. Love the kid's strength, competitiveness, defensive ability and transition game. I think he'll be the best player in the draft when all is said and done. Towns - I struggle with this one in terms of a comparison. Poor man's Garnett? Probably not. Thoughts?

Towns seems like his ceiling is a "less crazy Sheed".

goes 1st in this draft. A less crazy Rasheed Wallace is a hall of fame player

notice how well Gallo played down the stretch? Bring back Gallo!!!!

of college/euro to the NBA. I feel like he is wrong most of the time.

As for WInslow ive been saying for weeks that if he can play the 2 he could be a great pro. He would def be 5 for me and maybe 4 depending on workouts. Its a shame that Russell finished so poorly, I was much more excited about him in FEB then i am now.

In comment 12292484 MookGiants said:

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goes 1st in this draft. A less crazy Rasheed Wallace is a hall of fame player

I said that's his best case scenario. It's more about skillset.

In comment 12292497 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 12292484 MookGiants said: Quote: goes 1st in this draft. A less crazy Rasheed Wallace is a hall of fame player I said that's his best case scenario. It's more about skillset.

I also said he's a very difficult player to compare. So bottomline is you need to chill the fuck out.