NFT: NBA Draft Lottery Tuesday, May 19, 2015 7:30pm

In comment 12293753 MookGiants said:

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will take Mudiay. We'll be stuck with Al Jefferson

I actually think Minnesota is going to take Okafor and Lakers will end up with Towns...

In comment 12293757 nygiants16 said:

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but i think Mudiay is more Mature and ready for the NBA than any other prospect... Guy left his home to go to China to provide for his family...He could of easily went to College and dominate but he chose not to... And people saying he cant shoot...he shot 49% and 35% from 3...not horrible at all..

Seems like the only thing Russell has over him is the shot. Mudiay, from what I've read about him, is superior in every other category.

And Okafor is much better in the paint and is a big bigger, but KAT is better essentially everywhere else

settling with Okafor. If another team is enamored with Okafor and offers a bunch of picks for him, I'd do that too.

In comment 12293759 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12293753 MookGiants said: Quote: will take Mudiay. We'll be stuck with Al Jefferson I actually think Minnesota is going to take Okafor and Lakers will end up with Towns...

I can't see Minny taking Okafor when they have Pekovic who plays a similar below the rim game. But who knows? Maybe they will and then the Lakers will pounce on KAT.

Mudiay was going to have the choice of going to college.

In comment 12293757 nygiants16 said:

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but i think Mudiay is more Mature and ready for the NBA than any other prospect... Guy left his home to go to China to provide for his family...He could of easily went to College and dominate but he chose not to... And people saying he cant shoot...he shot 49% and 35% from 3...not horrible at all..

He also shoots 57% from the FT line. That's only slightly better than Okafor and Okafor is a huge guy with huge hands, so he has the whole Shaq/Dwight Howard excuse. What's Mudiay's? And Mudiay is turnover prone, which I don't need to tell you is a big no-no for PGs.

who think the Knicks #4 pick is available in trade. All of the rest that I have read say Jackson hinted about trading the #5, not the #4.

Which makes perfect sense. All of the top 4 have something special about them, they are all very young, and there isn't any way in the world to say right now which of the 4 has the most upside.

I would be really excited if Mudiay falls to the 4, even with his shooting shortcomings. Lots of big, athletic 19-year-olds learn to shoot later on. He could be a terrific pick at the 4th spot. If we get Russell instead, so what? Or Okafor?

Mudiay has made it clear that he likes the idea of playing for the Knicks. Maybe he curtails his individual workouts a bit and hopes to make it through. There are things I have read about him that sound exciting, including his maturity as a player at 19 playing overseas. Marbury loves his ass. (link)
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over thinking this and focusing too much on the triangle. It would not shock me to see him trade down and take Kamisky and pick up a couple of second round picks while doing it. He has been overmatched in trades so far. He needs to stick with the pick and pick the best remaining between the big 4. This team needs so much I just cannot see how they can be a contender anytime soon. I think Mudiay would be the perfect start for a rebuild. All of the players that are worth maxes are restricted this year If we end up with Greg Monroe and no center then we are in trouble, it would have to lead to a Melo trade mid season for the rebuild. They have to find a way to pick up a 1st rd pick for next year.

Than Mudiay IMO. I don't know where this assumption that we have Mudiay locked up at 4 came from.

All the buzz last year was that the Sixers wanted Exum. I have no idea why we're taking this Philly targeting D'Lo as gospel.

so I'm cool if we get him at four. But it would be nice to have a choice of a couple of guys.

In comment 12293771 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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Than Mudiay IMO. I don't know where this assumption that we have Mudiay locked up at 4 came from. All the buzz last year was that the Sixers wanted Exum. I have no idea why we're taking this Philly targeting D'Lo as gospel.

I think Philly (if they don't trade out, which they probably won't given how many draft picks they have) are a lock to take either Russell or Mudiay. No one else seems to make sense given their roster. With Embiid, Noel and Saric, they need guards badly.

In comment 12293768 Anakim said:

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He also shoots 57% from the FT line. That's only slightly better than Okafor and Okafor is a huge guy with huge hands, so he has the whole Shaq/Dwight Howard excuse. What's Mudiay's? And Mudiay is turnover prone, which I don't need to tell you is a big no-no for PGs.

47 attempts is a terribly small sample size.

Westbrook shot 54.8% as a freshman (31 FTA). Then 71% as a Soph, and 81.5% as an NBA rookie.

In comment 12293767 MookGiants said:

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Mudiay was going to have the choice of going to college.

That is not true he was all set to go to SMU and chose to go to China instead

He may have the "it" factor that being limited somewhat athletically doesn't matter.

He had to go to China.

shooting, of course, but also passing skills that aren't based upon penetration. Word is that he sees the floor incredibly well.

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Not so sure how quickly we should be penciling in Towns at #1, Okafor at #2. Word has itt Flip really likes Okafor. Will be some drama there

In comment 12293781 Jim in Hoboken said:

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He had to go to China.

That is not true...he chose to go to China

In comment 12293761 Jim in Hoboken said:

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settling with Okafor. If another team is enamored with Okafor and offers a bunch of picks for him, I'd do that too.

This has to be the most ridiculous comment on this thread. Holy hell...

In comment 12293779 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12293767 MookGiants said: Quote: Mudiay was going to have the choice of going to college. That is not true he was all set to go to SMU and chose to go to China instead

You can be admitted to school without meeting NCAA eligibility requirements. Larry Brown was cagey in saying he was "admitted". He was also at Deion's school which was a shit show. He might have had benefits received concerns.

In comment 12293784 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12293781 Jim in Hoboken said: Quote: He had to go to China. That is not true...he chose to go to China

He can put whatever spin on it he wants, there was a very real chance he wasn't going to be cleared to play. And he knew that.

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over thinking this and focusing too much on the triangle

He isn't stupid or egotistical enough to think that the triangle was the key to his success in LA and Chi is he? God I hope not.

In comment 12293782 manh george said:

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shooting, of course, but also passing skills that aren't based upon penetration. Word is that he sees the floor incredibly well.

The difference between Mudiay and Russell is Russell has excellent court vision and BBIQ since he doesnt have the athleticism he uses that to find the open man...

Mudiay will drive by people and use that to draw the defense in and find the open man...he is not going to make the incredible pass...

That'll guarantee Russell or Mudiay for us.

Isn't that crazy of a thought. Excellent shooter and a plus athlete. Has the size and speed to possibly guard 3 positions. He's the present and future of the NBA.

Mudiay is never going to admit it, but I think he went to China because he wasn't going to be eligible.

We'll never know for sure, but there were rumors he wasn't going to be eligible for a while before he ever announced he was going to China
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In comment 12293782 manh george said:

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shooting, of course, but also passing skills that aren't based upon penetration. Word is that he sees the floor incredibly well.

Russell's passing is unreal. He probably comes into the league as a top 5 passer of the basketball.

In comment 12293787 MookGiants said:

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In comment 12293784 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293781 Jim in Hoboken said: Quote: He had to go to China. That is not true...he chose to go to China He can put whatever spin on it he wants, there was a very real chance he wasn't going to be cleared to play. And he knew that.

From everything i read Mook, he knew he was a 1 and done and wanted to start making money right away...he already had sponsership from Under Armor...

What makes you so sure about Okafor?

In comment 12293788 bluepepper said:

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Quote: over thinking this and focusing too much on the triangle He isn't stupid or egotistical enough to think that the triangle was the key to his success in LA and Chi is he? God I hope not.

the real reason and we will never know

In comment 12293795 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12293787 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 12293784 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293781 Jim in Hoboken said: Quote: He had to go to China. That is not true...he chose to go to China He can put whatever spin on it he wants, there was a very real chance he wasn't going to be cleared to play. And he knew that. From everything i read Mook, he knew he was a 1 and done and wanted to start making money right away...he already had sponsership from Under Armor...

You must have just started reading. There has been a ton of talk about him not qualifying. Read the Parrish article.

You know that ain't easy. I wouldn't belittle Mudiay's basketball IQ and passing ability.

I think in high school he was too dominant with the ball instead of playing the role of a traditional PG, as any hot shot young kid would, but in China from what I've read he opened some eyes with his willingness to get others involved.

Only has me thinking how far away the knicks are. These guys are playing at such a higher level it's scary.

In comment 12293773 bceagle05 said:

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so I'm cool if we get him at four. But it would be nice to have a choice of a couple of guys.

They will... everyone except the top 3 picks.

In comment 12293800 MookGiants said:

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In comment 12293795 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293787 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 12293784 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293781 Jim in Hoboken said: Quote: He had to go to China. That is not true...he chose to go to China He can put whatever spin on it he wants, there was a very real chance he wasn't going to be cleared to play. And he knew that. From everything i read Mook, he knew he was a 1 and done and wanted to start making money right away...he already had sponsership from Under Armor... You must have just started reading. There has been a ton of talk about him not qualifying. Read the Parrish article.

Mook is right about this. He probably wasn't going to be eligible.

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In comment 12293807 EricNY33 said:

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In comment 12293800 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 12293795 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293787 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 12293784 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293781 Jim in Hoboken said: Quote: He had to go to China. That is not true...he chose to go to China He can put whatever spin on it he wants, there was a very real chance he wasn't going to be cleared to play. And he knew that. From everything i read Mook, he knew he was a 1 and done and wanted to start making money right away...he already had sponsership from Under Armor... You must have just started reading. There has been a ton of talk about him not qualifying. Read the Parrish article. Mook is right about this. He probably wasn't going to be eligible.

So are we just going to quote entire pages now

In comment 12293813 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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In comment 12293807 EricNY33 said: Quote: In comment 12293800 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 12293795 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293787 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 12293784 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293781 Jim in Hoboken said: Quote: He had to go to China. That is not true...he chose to go to China He can put whatever spin on it he wants, there was a very real chance he wasn't going to be cleared to play. And he knew that. From everything i read Mook, he knew he was a 1 and done and wanted to start making money right away...he already had sponsership from Under Armor... You must have just started reading. There has been a ton of talk about him not qualifying. Read the Parrish article. Mook is right about this. He probably wasn't going to be eligible. So are we just going to quote entire pages now

Yes

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In comment 12293814 EricNY33 said:

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In comment 12293813 AnotherGiantsFan said: Quote: In comment 12293807 EricNY33 said: Quote: In comment 12293800 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 12293795 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293787 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 12293784 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12293781 Jim in Hoboken said: Quote: He had to go to China. That is not true...he chose to go to China He can put whatever spin on it he wants, there was a very real chance he wasn't going to be cleared to play. And he knew that. From everything i read Mook, he knew he was a 1 and done and wanted to start making money right away...he already had sponsership from Under Armor... You must have just started reading. There has been a ton of talk about him not qualifying. Read the Parrish article. Mook is right about this. He probably wasn't going to be eligible. So are we just going to quote entire pages now Yes

Just making sure

but that was ridiculous.

I can't listen to any of the people talking shit about them not "tanking right" like SAS just did on SportsCenter. The Knicks beat Atlanta, who was playing all of their best players except Millsap, with this collection of anal leakage:

Langston Galloway
Tim Hardaway
Jason Smith
Lance Thomas
Lou Amundson
Quincy Acy
Shane Larkin
Cole Aldrich

Just those players showing up to the arena indicates tanking is occurring. Yet they somehow won the damn game IN Atlanta.

The 2 bigs aren't dropping past 2 and we'll have to be content with Russell (who I apparently like more than most of BBI) or Mudiay. If the Knicks tried to draft one of the Europeans, someone would burn the Garden down with the Rangers still in it.

In comment 12293821 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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but that was ridiculous. I can't listen to any of the people talking shit about them not "tanking right" like SAS just did on SportsCenter. The Knicks beat Atlanta, who was playing all of their best players except Millsap, with this collection of anal leakage: Langston Galloway Tim Hardaway Jason Smith Lance Thomas Lou Amundson Quincy Acy Shane Larkin Cole Aldrich Just those players showing up to the arena indicates tanking is occurring. Yet they somehow won the damn game IN Atlanta. The 2 bigs aren't dropping past 2 and we'll have to be content with Russell (who I apparently like more than most of BBI) or Mudiay. If the Knicks tried to draft one of the Europeans, someone would burn the Garden down with the Rangers still in it.

Disaster? Dude... settle down.

that the team with the worst record has gotten the 1st pick and only the 5th time in 31 years...so stop with the not tanking right...

Even if the Knicks finished with the worst record it did not mean they were getting the top pick so stop...

said heis hearing 4 teams have already called the Knicks asking about their pick...all teams outside the lottery...

This was said before the lottery tonight...

There is no Duncan, LeBron, Curry, Durant type player in this draft.

but worst record made the fourth pick a remote possibility - top three would've been all but guaranteed and a few more lottery balls would've gone towards an even higher pick. Those last two wins hurt, no question about it, but it's water under the bridge now.

In comment 12293828 charlito said:

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There is no Duncan, LeBron, Curry, Durant type player in this draft.

Curry wasn't a Curry type player going into his draft either.

In comment 12293827 nygiants16 said:

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said heis hearing 4 teams have already called the Knicks asking about their pick...all teams outside the lottery... This was said before the lottery tonight...

I am sure now there is just 1 team... LOL