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NFT: Mets Minors 5/19/2015

DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 9:30 am
@AdamRubinESPN
Brandon Nimmo has been diagnosed with a sprained ACL in his left knee. Can resume baseball activity when pain free. #mets


Non-prospect/minor league depth

NEW YORK -- The New York Mets have signed Cuban catcher Lednier Ricardo, who was an international free agent.

Ricardo, 27, participated on the Cuban national team in 2012 and '13. He had been holding showcases for teams since last summer.

He played in the Cuban National Series with Camaguey and Cienfuegos from 2007 through '12. In 1,190 at-bats, he batted .256 with with 26 homers and 136 RBIs.



AAA-
Ceciliani 1-4, 3b, 2K (called up after the game)
Rivera 1-4, K
Reynolds 0-4, 2 k's (struggling pretty bad right now)
Muno 0-2, BB
Gorski 5 innings 5 hits 5 runs 2 walks 4 k's
Thornton 1 perfect 1 k


A+
Stuart 0-4 1 BB, 2 k's (he's been truly horrendous)
Conforto 1-3, K
Smith 2-4, 2b
Rosario 0-4, K
Urena 2-4
Gsellman 7 innings 6 hits 1 run 2 walks 5 k's (likely headed to AA soon, maybe a swap with struggling Gant?)
Morris 1 innings 0 hits 0 runs 2 walks 2 k's


A
Becerra 1-4, K
Garcia 1-2, 2 bb
Roseboom 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 2 k's

How did Tyler Moore get such a good bonus? Good lord has he been horrible. 4/50 with 18 k's

Lupo 38 k's in 87 ab's lol

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perfect for all the complaining  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2015 9:37 am : link
(it was really just one person) about the Red Sox being proactive signing a 28 year old 2b to play in A ball, the mets signed a 27-year old catcher to play in A ball (or wherever).

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arcarsenal : 5/19/2015 9:39 am : link
LOL, I was going to say.. hopefully this placates the outraged party of 1 who just couldn't believe the Mets missed out on a 28 year old project A-ball player.

Now we have our own! AND he's a year younger! Woooooo
Really  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 9:39 am : link
looking forward to reading this. RAVE reviews so far.
Link - ( New Window )
Given  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 9:41 am : link
the level of pitching in Cuba, that is an ATROCIOUS batting line. He's minor league depth at catcher which is fine.
Crosby and company lol  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 9:47 am : link
missing more points the Natural does at SS.

Shave
Nats  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 9:52 am : link
call up their Wilmer, Wilmer Difo
RE: Really  
Shecky : 5/19/2015 10:21 am : link
In comment 12292353 DanMetroMan said:
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looking forward to reading this. RAVE reviews so far. Link - ( New Window )


Thanks Dan - didn't k is its available. Should be a good read. Pirates franchise has quietly done things so well and unique over the past several years. Could be the modern day blueprint the way the Indians once were and Rays more recently.
How good is Ceciliani compared to Kirk -  
Ira : 5/19/2015 10:23 am : link
offensively and defensively?
RE: How good is Ceciliani compared to Kirk -  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 10:29 am : link
In comment 12292452 Ira said:
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offensively and defensively?


Worse defensively, offensively remains to be seen (Vegas is basically worthless in judging bats). DC did lead the NYPENN in hitting
I read Wally  
CMicks3110 : 5/19/2015 11:02 am : link
said that Cecliani was in Lagares' league defensively. Kirk is a good defensive outfielder, but nothing really special.
RE: I read Wally  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 11:03 am : link
In comment 12292546 CMicks3110 said:
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said that Cecliani was in Lagares' league defensively. Kirk is a good defensive outfielder, but nothing really special.


That's very silly if Wally said that. Ceciliani is barely a CF
Jeff P  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 11:04 am : link
The long of it: It feels like we have been waiting on a Ceciliani breakout forever, but after sitting on him for 10+ games, I don't see it coming. He plays hard, but the speed isn't there anymore (could be due to injuries or just speed peaking early). I clocked him as a below-average runner, and he combined that with some bad/late reads in the outfield, and could be indecisive on his throws. Played mostly left field in with Alonzo Harris in center. Arm will not play in right. My bigger concerns are on the offensive end. Ceciliani was a non-entity at the plate. He struggles with lefty breaking stuff, can be overly aggressive, and his swing has a lot of moving parts (see Alex's concerns below). He also got tossed in the middle of an at-bat for arguing balls and strikes (granted it was freezing, so I can't really blame him) and generally seemed frustrated during my looks.
Totally  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 11:08 am : link
missed this but Molina shut down with an elbow issue ugh
From Metsblog  
CMicks3110 : 5/19/2015 11:11 am : link
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He is well known around the team for his strong defensive skills, with Triple-A manager Wally Backman recently telling SNY.TVs Robert Brender that Ceciliani has a similar read to Juan Lagares.
Marcos Molina?  
CMicks3110 : 5/19/2015 11:12 am : link
That sucks, I didn't have terribly high hopes for him because of his delivery. I am still very high on Fulmer, i know DMM, you say he's a reliever, but I think he has a fairly high upside. I watched him pitch at binghamton recently on Milb TV, and he's throwing 94-95 with a really nasty slider. His fastball command needs work, but he's got potential. Needs to lose weight though. What ever happened to Luis Mateo?
#1  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 11:13 am : link
"similar reads" doesn't equate to being the same level of defender. You need the athletiscm to get to those balls #2 Lagares arm is a MAJOR part of his defensive value #3 Backman has managed Ceciliani more than once and is known as one of "his guys". #4 Backman is known as an over the top promoter of guys he's managed. His comments in his documentary series are absolutely ridiculous. He compared Mejia to Gooden...
RE: Marcos Molina?  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12292581 CMicks3110 said:
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That sucks, I didn't have terribly high hopes for him because of his delivery. I am still very high on Fulmer, i know DMM, you say he's a reliever, but I think he has a fairly high upside. I watched him pitch at binghamton recently on Milb TV, and he's throwing 94-95 with a really nasty slider. His fastball command needs work, but he's got potential. Needs to lose weight though. What ever happened to Luis Mateo?


Mateo "disappeared". Rubin said he hasn't heard anything about him which leads me to believe they have given up on him. He reportedly was shut down last year after not taking rehab seriously with sub par velocity. Fulmer has a live arm but yeah, most think he's a reliever. Never can stay healthy and has 2 pitches. Can't say I've seen him pitch this year but he's heavy FB/slider with a changeup that pretty much isn't there. First step will be staying healthy. I like the arm, just not betting on the health to start.
i just looked this up  
sshin05 : 5/19/2015 11:47 am : link
but Aaron harang has the same fwar as Matt Harvey at 1.6. Lol.
RE: i just looked this up  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12292681 sshin05 said:
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but Aaron harang has the same fwar as Matt Harvey at 1.6. Lol.


I think this is where the saber maniacs use the "sample size" card.

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arcarsenal : 5/19/2015 12:28 pm : link
Harang will level out. 4.21 xFIP, unsustainable walk rate, unsustainable BABIP.. his HR/9 will go up a bit, etc.

nah  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 12:45 pm : link
if his numbers rise he's just nervous.
What's the latest  
CMicks3110 : 5/19/2015 1:33 pm : link
with Montero?
RE: nah  
arcarsenal : 5/19/2015 1:39 pm : link
In comment 12292794 Giants2012 said:
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if his numbers rise he's just nervous.


I appreciate the multiple attempts at humor but you're really just so bad at it that I'd give it up. You're like 0 for 1,000 at this point.

Stick to relaying bad info from the Flying Puck. You're good at being wrong about everything. Being clever or witty? Just.. nah.
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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 1:49 pm : link
The Mets are debating whether to trade Daniel Murphy, move Wilmer Flores to second base and promote Triple-A infielder Matt Reynolds to play shortstop, after activating David Wright from the disabled list, according to FOXSports.coms Ken Rosenthal (May 16, 4:08 pm).



Would be an extremely strange time to make this move. Reynolds is really struggling and Murphy is hitting well. If this were a throwaway season then sure but "trading Murphy" just to make room for Reynolds seem strange (and I'm a trade Murphy vs. lose Murphy for nothing advocate).

RE: RE: nah  
Giants2012 : 5/19/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12292901 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12292794 Giants2012 said:


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if his numbers rise he's just nervous.



I appreciate the multiple attempts at humor but you're really just so bad at it that I'd give it up. You're like 0 for 1,000 at this point.

Stick to relaying bad info from the Flying Puck. You're good at being wrong about everything. Being clever or witty? Just.. nah.


So long as I know you can dish it out yet can't take it I'll continue smiling Crosby. Shave today? nah
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arcarsenal : 5/19/2015 1:57 pm : link
Painfully unfunny.
kirk dfa'd  
sshin05 : 5/19/2015 1:59 pm : link
Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 4m4 minutes ago
Source tells http://ESPN.com that Kirk Nieuwenhuis has been designated for assignment by the #Mets.
RE: .  
Metnut : 5/19/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12292923 DanMetroMan said:
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The Mets are debating whether to trade Daniel Murphy, move Wilmer Flores to second base and promote Triple-A infielder Matt Reynolds to play shortstop, after activating David Wright from the disabled list, according to FOXSports.coms Ken Rosenthal (May 16, 4:08 pm).



Would be an extremely strange time to make this move. Reynolds is really struggling and Murphy is hitting well. If this were a throwaway season then sure but "trading Murphy" just to make room for Reynolds seem strange (and I'm a trade Murphy vs. lose Murphy for nothing advocate).


I suspect that information is dated. Like you said, Reynolds is slumping in AAA and Murphy is hitting well lately.
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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 2:15 pm : link
With Ryu facing shoulder surgery a potential landing spot for Gee or Niese is possibly on the table #mets
Im betting Sandy is working the phones  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:30 pm : link
Syndergaard can't go back down and I don't really want to see Gee in the pen again as the longman. It likely takes the place of one of the youngins Goedell, Robles, or Leathersich which would be counterproductive.
Parnell rocked again today  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 2:34 pm : link
Sandy has acknowledged he isn't progressing as they have liked (said this after his previous outing)


Very curious to see if Harvey's success after long rehab vs. Parnell's lack-of with short has any impact on Wheeler time table #mets
Im obviously in the minority  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:35 pm : link
but I hope Kirk clears waivers and re-finds his swing in Vegas. He's been brutal so I agree a move needed to be made, but I still think he offers some nice backup depth with MDD gone that we might be able to use at some point.

Speaking of that, whatever happened to Puello? I heard weeks ago he was healthy and would have to clear waivers again?? Haven't heard a peep since.
Puello  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 2:36 pm : link
is on the 60 day DL.
If I had to guess  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:39 pm : link
We aren't ever even going to need Parnell and Black this year. If Robles, Goedell, and Leathersich keep progressing they should eventually fill the back portion of the pen, if they haven't already. Plus I highly doubt we dump Mejia. Plus you have Blevens coming back at some point. Plus you have the deadline. We should have more than enough options.

Parnell and Black aren't even on my radar anymore.
RE: Puello  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:40 pm : link
In comment 12293028 DanMetroMan said:
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is on the 60 day DL.


Wasn't there a bunch of news about him having recovered and him having to pass through waivers again? Im confused. Must have missed that one.
RE: Puello  
Shecky : 5/19/2015 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12293028 DanMetroMan said:
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is on the 60 day DL.

I hope he rots, completely fucked the Mets
RE: RE: Puello  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 2:42 pm : link
In comment 12293037 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 12293028 DanMetroMan said:


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is on the 60 day DL.



Wasn't there a bunch of news about him having recovered and him having to pass through waivers again? Im confused. Must have missed that one.



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The Mets moved outfielder Cesar Puello to the 60-day disabled list, per ESPN.

Puello was on the 15-day disabled list with a back injury. He hasn't played yet this season. The move opens up a spot on the 40-man roster for Johnny Monell, called up by the team on Tuesday."
RE: RE: Puello  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12293039 Shecky said:
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is on the 60 day DL.


I hope he rots, completely fucked the Mets


I think it had more to do with his agent but I agree, that was a shitty move.
RE: RE: RE: Puello  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12293043 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12293037 ZGiants98 said:


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In comment 12293028 DanMetroMan said:


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is on the 60 day DL.



Wasn't there a bunch of news about him having recovered and him having to pass through waivers again? Im confused. Must have missed that one.




"

The Mets moved outfielder Cesar Puello to the 60-day disabled list, per ESPN.

Puello was on the 15-day disabled list with a back injury. He hasn't played yet this season. The move opens up a spot on the 40-man roster for Johnny Monell, called up by the team on Tuesday."


Thanks Dan. I guess that's how they got Monell on the roster. I must have missed that. Kind of strange since weeks ago they said he had recovered but oh well.
Dan - regarding trading Neise or Gee to LA  
debo_GIANTS : 5/19/2015 2:44 pm : link
that actually makes a ton of sense. Do you see them going after Van Slyke or Andre Either?
FYi  
Shecky : 5/19/2015 2:46 pm : link
The Puello injury is typically of an out of shape player who starts doing too much too soon. So this "injury" is on him to begin with...
according to fangraphs  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:47 pm : link
Leathersich is "John" Leathersich. lol
RE: Dan - regarding trading Neise or Gee to LA  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12293049 debo_GIANTS said:
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that actually makes a ton of sense. Do you see them going after Van Slyke or Andre Either?


Van Slyke would be a nice guy. Even Guerrero but doesn't seem like the money would really work. Ethier would really only make sense if the Dodgers ate a ton because Gee is making roughly 5 while Ethier is due over 40 million. Van Slyke would be a solid get though. I'd take a decent prospect though. Unrealistic but I'm digging this De Leon kid. Video game numbers.
Pulled from NYFS  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 2:49 pm : link
"348 players have 40 plate appearances or more this season. Kirk is dead last in both wOBA and wRC+. Only Drew Stubbs has a higher K%."
Yeah  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:51 pm : link
having 3 hits in 30 whatever abates will do that.

The equivalent of a regular going 3 for a whole week.
RE: Yeah  
Metnut : 5/19/2015 2:54 pm : link
In comment 12293066 ZGiants98 said:
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having 3 hits in 30 whatever abates will do that.

The equivalent of a regular going 3 for a whole week.


Except a regular could run into something like Kershaw/Greinke/Scherzer etc. all in the same week. Much less likely to happen for a part time player over the course of 40+ games.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2015 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12292923 DanMetroMan said:
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The Mets are debating whether to trade Daniel Murphy, move Wilmer Flores to second base and promote Triple-A infielder Matt Reynolds to play shortstop, after activating David Wright from the disabled list, according to FOXSports.coms Ken Rosenthal (May 16, 4:08 pm).



Would be an extremely strange time to make this move. Reynolds is really struggling and Murphy is hitting well. If this were a throwaway season then sure but "trading Murphy" just to make room for Reynolds seem strange (and I'm a trade Murphy vs. lose Murphy for nothing advocate).


I think it only makes sense under 1 scenario (which is plausible IMO):

a) They determine Flores has to move off SS
b) They don't want to give up on his bat

If they believe those 2 things, it makes sense to see what they have in Reynolds for a month or 2 before feeling compelled to make an external move. I'd want to see Wright come back strong before dealing Murphy, and in all honesty I'd even consider moving Murphy to the bench as an insurance policy if I wasn't getting a good return.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 2:57 pm : link
I don't see the upside of gambling on this right now. Matt Reynolds is currently 46th in both wRC+ and wOBA in his own league. We just saw Plawecki and Herrera come up despite HUGE PCL numbers and struggle. It's a near lock that Reynolds would be a 2015 downgrade from Daniel Murphy even ignoring his terrible May (Reynolds).
RE: RE: Yeah  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2015 2:58 pm : link
In comment 12293071 Metnut said:
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In comment 12293066 ZGiants98 said:


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having 3 hits in 30 whatever abates will do that.

The equivalent of a regular going 3 for a whole week.



Except a regular could run into something like Kershaw/Greinke/Scherzer etc. all in the same week. Much less likely to happen for a part time player over the course of 40+ games.


Kind of a weird point. Nobody's saying Kirk hasn't struggled. I think everyone has had a cold week before is my point, regardless of who they are facing. We've seen just about every player in our lineup have exactly that this year already including Duda.

All good. I concede something should have been done. Everyone needs to produce and he isn't important enough to carry based on merit. Its still an absurdly small sample however.
If  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2015 2:58 pm : link
the story were that the Mets were getting strong offers on Murphy and this was why they were considering it I would feel otherwise but that's not at all how the story reads.
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