but the numbers are not pretty for Hank against TB. Game one was an outlier. Two and three are, unfortunately, typical. I'm wondering if it's in his head at this point.
There is no way to sugar coat or spin that. He deserves as much criticism as Nash, MSL, or McD. All of them having been getting smaller as the stakes have gotten higher.
He just can't let in that many goals in two games. Felt like we were coming on in OT and then an awful goal ends it before we really got a chance. Those are the facts of it.
Nearly everybody played poorly tonight, so we probably got what we deserved. But it was still right there to steal and our best player let us down. That goal was brutal. Damn
If you had said Hanlon, Healy, Weekes, Cloutier, or fuckin Vally it would have made more sense. But the Beez?
Terrible. Must be the only guy's name you could remember.
Yeah, the Beez you f'ing moron. Your head must have been up your tail in the 80's as Johnny made saves standing on his and the let in goals that made fans shake their heads. Lundy just did the same. Now f-off
Say what you want about Nash, but his lack of offense didn't lose us the game tonight.
Henrik hasn't been good enough. 12 goals allowed in two games should get you yanked.
McDonagh was an abomination tonight apart from his goal. Seemingly afraid to do anything remotely physical in the defensive end.
Didn't think Staal had a particularly great night either. Only Ranger at -2 on the night. Made two horrible plays in the offensive zone that led to goals. Missed the net all alone out front, puck comes flying out of the zone, Rangers scramble, Tampa Scores. On the 4 on 4 he threw a wild pass coming from behind the net, same result.
but the cap is supposed to be $70mm next year and go up rapidly from there.
Hank is a guy I gladly will live and die with.
Watching him suck this round is incredibly painful - especially since we know Tampa, NYI and a few other East teams are going to get better and better in coming years and will close the gap or accelerate past us shortly. The window is closing rapidly.
But he's still the guy i'll bet this franchise on the next few years. And in a strange way the way this series has gone is easier closure than last round, where you feel like Hank was personally robbed.
If we lose in the playoffs because of Hank - so be it. We lose because MSL sucks my asshole because shockingly Sather- he's old-- or Nash can't score or assist to save his life even in a 6-5 shootout... that's a lot tougher to stomach than this.
and when 99% of BBI knew it the day the assenine announcements were made... that's a fucking problem.
But to defend McD... its not like last year was his first good pro year. Stralman didn't make him ... cmon now.
For the love of me I cant understand why this team can't slow down TB or NYI. Those styles just drive us nuts and hemorrhage goals - even with Hank in net. Don't forget our wins against NYI came with Talbot in net. Hank just gets exposed big time as do our defenders by this style. So odd.
None of these defensive pairs are playing consistent
If you had said Hanlon, Healy, Weekes, Cloutier, or fuckin Vally it would have made more sense. But the Beez?
Terrible. Must be the only guy's name you could remember.
Yeah, the Beez you f'ing moron. Your head must have been up your tail in the 80's as Johnny made saves standing on his and the let in goals that made fans shake their heads. Lundy just did the same. Now f-off
Your posts no matter what topic are awful. You're like a standing joke around here. Just disappear. No one will miss you.
If you had said Hanlon, Healy, Weekes, Cloutier, or fuckin Vally it would have made more sense. But the Beez?
Terrible. Must be the only guy's name you could remember.
Yeah, the Beez you f'ing moron. Your head must have been up your tail in the 80's as Johnny made saves standing on his and the let in goals that made fans shake their heads. Lundy just did the same. Now f-off
Your posts no matter what topic are awful. You're like a standing joke around here. Just disappear. No one will miss you.
You're just a tampon with zero intelligence that need to be handheld, like a few, in any and messages. Hanlon, Weeks, etc, never reached the heights of Johnny or Lundy. Johnny made amazing saves and then coughed up so e laughers
Right to the achieve (not that you're head has any recall)
>>>Vanbiesbrouck was spectacular at times, fortunate at others. He fanned on a slap shot by Valery Zelepukin in the second period that hit the top of the left post and bounced up and away. He was rescued by a nifty defensive play from Mark Hardy, off a semi-breakaway. He made dramatic saves off Tom Chorske, Laurie Boschman, Stephane Richer and Randy McKay.<<<
but if Henrik has a rough start to game 4 i would pull him.
100% agree withthis.
Hank is our goalie. He will be our goalie while we have him. But this team his his number, they're in his head, and if we need Cam to come in against them, that's gotta be what we do.
What's the matter wise ass? Just gave you a quote from the achives regarding Johnny being brilliant and then giving up a laugher just like Lundy has. Couldn't connect the dots Einstein?
It's not a foregone conclusion it won't happen again. If he gives up a couple early on Friday night I think it's something you have to seriously consider.
We cannot lose Friday night. This isn't a team we'll win 3 straight against.
but it's still his team. If he sucks the next two games and we get bounced in 5 ... then yeah, you have to make a decision about this team's path moving forward - Hank at $8.5mm/year for 6 years into his 40s or Cam at 1 yr and then ??
Personally I don't think this team has the talent up front to compete with NYI, Tampa and Pittsburgh (healthy) near-term, or Florida and some other teams longer-term, with Talbot in net and 1-2 forwards capable of 35-40 goals (one of whom is easily shut down come playoff time) over a full season where all tendencies are exposed - nor do I have the same confidence in a game 7... but with the cap as ridiculously low as it is, I guess it should be explored.
Just absolutely sucks that Hank is playing his worst playoff hockey now in a series when we needed him most (strange to say I know coming off 7 one-goal games in the Washington series). Tampa is our toughest test of the entire postseason, including Finals, and we needed him now more than ever. He's not only been less than elite, he's flat out sucked.
RE: Hank got pulled against MTL last year in the ECF.
It's not a foregone conclusion it won't happen again. If he gives up a couple early on Friday night I think it's something you have to seriously consider.
We cannot lose Friday night. This isn't a team we'll win 3 straight against.
He got pulled in Philly game 6 last year too. The difference is we led 3-1 and 3-2 in those respective series. Now you pull him trailing 1-2 in a series, that could very well be it.
I personally think tonight's overtime was something we absolutely had to have. Hope i'm wrong, but I don't see this group coming back from this. There's always hope -- but we're playing a more talented team and on top of it our best players are playing awful hockey.
Allowing any goal at all? The first goal he's given up in the past 2 games followed massive clusterfucks at the blue line by MSL and Boyle. Would they yank him after something similar to that?
It just seems to me too many people in front of him are playing like dogshit to make it all about the goaltender.
RE: Hank got pulled against MTL last year in the ECF.
It's not a foregone conclusion it won't happen again. If he gives up a couple early on Friday night I think it's something you have to seriously consider.
We cannot lose Friday night. This isn't a team we'll win 3 straight against.
He let in a couple he should have and usually does stop. It's that simple. He needs to play better and I'm confident he will. This game is on him tonight. If he wants his Cup and his ring to cement his legacy he has to earn them night in and night out. I watched many goalies from Roy to Brodeur win Cups their teams had no business winning. Our team is good enough but Hank needs to lead the way for it to happen. This is his chance. He is the best goalie left in these playoffs if he doesn't bring home the Cup it's on him.
RE: RE: Hank got pulled against MTL last year in the ECF.
It's not a foregone conclusion it won't happen again. If he gives up a couple early on Friday night I think it's something you have to seriously consider.
We cannot lose Friday night. This isn't a team we'll win 3 straight against.
Allowing any goal at all? The first goal he's given up in the past 2 games followed massive clusterfucks at the blue line by MSL and Boyle. Would they yank him after something similar to that?
It just seems to me too many people in front of him are playing like dogshit to make it all about the goaltender.
I'm not saying you yank him if he gives up one goal. But if he gives up 2-3 early and they're pucks he should be stopping I think you at least consider making the change.
I wouldn't want to be in AV's shoes in that situation but we can't give another game away now.
Anyway. The Rangers are resilient. A lot of people turned this game off at 4-2 and we wound up in OT. Wish we stole it but we didn't. Now we have to take Game 4.
It's a 2-1 series right now. We're not quite in red alert territory just yet.
Terrible. Must be the only guy's name you could remember.
This makes game 3 a must win. We cannot expect to come back from 3-1 twice in a row.
What a disaster. Hank lost us this game.
He immaturely reacted to the big hit he took late. Gotta be smarter than that.
Nearly everybody played poorly tonight, so we probably got what we deserved. But it was still right there to steal and our best player let us down. That goal was brutal. Damn
Terrible. Must be the only guy's name you could remember.
Yeah, the Beez you f'ing moron. Your head must have been up your tail in the 80's as Johnny made saves standing on his and the let in goals that made fans shake their heads. Lundy just did the same. Now f-off
Say what you want about Nash, but his lack of offense didn't lose us the game tonight.
Henrik hasn't been good enough. 12 goals allowed in two games should get you yanked.
McDonagh was an abomination tonight apart from his goal. Seemingly afraid to do anything remotely physical in the defensive end.
Didn't think Staal had a particularly great night either. Only Ranger at -2 on the night. Made two horrible plays in the offensive zone that led to goals. Missed the net all alone out front, puck comes flying out of the zone, Rangers scramble, Tampa Scores. On the 4 on 4 he threw a wild pass coming from behind the net, same result.
Sieve?? Oh my god shut the fuck up.
Maybe this team has our number, the way the Vikings had Eli's but sieve? Please, go fuck yourself or go root for another team.
Tonight isn't the night to be all butterflies and roses to Hank, but to call him a sieve is just fucking bullshit, regardless of your disclaimer.
My friends give me a lot of shit for being a negative Rangers fan, but calling Hank a sieve and implying we're "stuck" with him is fucking bullshit.
I am literally sick to my fucking stomach. We should have had this game.
Am I overreacting, or does this seem like a pivotal game that will cost us the series?
Are they in our head? Particularly Hanks? 12 goals in 6 games? I mean WTF.
This really really really sucks.
Hank is a guy I gladly will live and die with.
Watching him suck this round is incredibly painful - especially since we know Tampa, NYI and a few other East teams are going to get better and better in coming years and will close the gap or accelerate past us shortly. The window is closing rapidly.
But he's still the guy i'll bet this franchise on the next few years. And in a strange way the way this series has gone is easier closure than last round, where you feel like Hank was personally robbed.
If we lose in the playoffs because of Hank - so be it. We lose because MSL sucks my asshole because shockingly Sather- he's old-- or Nash can't score or assist to save his life even in a 6-5 shootout... that's a lot tougher to stomach than this.
Just win, baby.
What a shitty 28 hours for New York teams. Rangers lose a heartbreaker. Knicks get the 4th pick and the Giants lose their starting Left Tackle.
Not crazy at all. I agree
But to defend McD... its not like last year was his first good pro year. Stralman didn't make him ... cmon now.
For the love of me I cant understand why this team can't slow down TB or NYI. Those styles just drive us nuts and hemorrhage goals - even with Hank in net. Don't forget our wins against NYI came with Talbot in net. Hank just gets exposed big time as do our defenders by this style. So odd.
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If you had said Hanlon, Healy, Weekes, Cloutier, or fuckin Vally it would have made more sense. But the Beez?
Terrible. Must be the only guy's name you could remember.
Yeah, the Beez you f'ing moron. Your head must have been up your tail in the 80's as Johnny made saves standing on his and the let in goals that made fans shake their heads. Lundy just did the same. Now f-off
Your posts no matter what topic are awful. You're like a standing joke around here. Just disappear. No one will miss you.
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If you had said Hanlon, Healy, Weekes, Cloutier, or fuckin Vally it would have made more sense. But the Beez?
Terrible. Must be the only guy's name you could remember.
Yeah, the Beez you f'ing moron. Your head must have been up your tail in the 80's as Johnny made saves standing on his and the let in goals that made fans shake their heads. Lundy just did the same. Now f-off
Your posts no matter what topic are awful. You're like a standing joke around here. Just disappear. No one will miss you.
You're just a tampon with zero intelligence that need to be handheld, like a few, in any and messages. Hanlon, Weeks, etc, never reached the heights of Johnny or Lundy. Johnny made amazing saves and then coughed up so e laughers
Right to the achieve (not that you're head has any recall)
>>>Vanbiesbrouck was spectacular at times, fortunate at others. He fanned on a slap shot by Valery Zelepukin in the second period that hit the top of the left post and bounced up and away. He was rescued by a nifty defensive play from Mark Hardy, off a semi-breakaway. He made dramatic saves off Tom Chorske, Laurie Boschman, Stephane Richer and Randy McKay.<<<
Next thing we hear is that the Giant FO should have anticipated Beatty's injury. And you're the next Giants GM.
You're a fucking clownshow. Get lost.
Absolutely pathetic by Hank. He really shit the bed.
Horrific.
Your version of great posting and you call out others lol. F'ing moron
Again. Get lost.
100% agree withthis.
Hank is our goalie. He will be our goalie while we have him. But this team his his number, they're in his head, and if we need Cam to come in against them, that's gotta be what we do.
Then again, it took Cam a while to get rolling...
We cannot lose Friday night. This isn't a team we'll win 3 straight against.
but it's still his team. If he sucks the next two games and we get bounced in 5 ... then yeah, you have to make a decision about this team's path moving forward - Hank at $8.5mm/year for 6 years into his 40s or Cam at 1 yr and then ??
Personally I don't think this team has the talent up front to compete with NYI, Tampa and Pittsburgh (healthy) near-term, or Florida and some other teams longer-term, with Talbot in net and 1-2 forwards capable of 35-40 goals (one of whom is easily shut down come playoff time) over a full season where all tendencies are exposed - nor do I have the same confidence in a game 7... but with the cap as ridiculously low as it is, I guess it should be explored.
Just absolutely sucks that Hank is playing his worst playoff hockey now in a series when we needed him most (strange to say I know coming off 7 one-goal games in the Washington series). Tampa is our toughest test of the entire postseason, including Finals, and we needed him now more than ever. He's not only been less than elite, he's flat out sucked.
We cannot lose Friday night. This isn't a team we'll win 3 straight against.
He got pulled in Philly game 6 last year too. The difference is we led 3-1 and 3-2 in those respective series. Now you pull him trailing 1-2 in a series, that could very well be it.
I personally think tonight's overtime was something we absolutely had to have. Hope i'm wrong, but I don't see this group coming back from this. There's always hope -- but we're playing a more talented team and on top of it our best players are playing awful hockey.
It just seems to me too many people in front of him are playing like dogshit to make it all about the goaltender.
We cannot lose Friday night. This isn't a team we'll win 3 straight against.
Rangers in 7?
Nice 1-2 playoff performance this year asshole.
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It's not a foregone conclusion it won't happen again. If he gives up a couple early on Friday night I think it's something you have to seriously consider.
We cannot lose Friday night. This isn't a team we'll win 3 straight against.
Rangers in 7?
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It just seems to me too many people in front of him are playing like dogshit to make it all about the goaltender.
I'm not saying you yank him if he gives up one goal. But if he gives up 2-3 early and they're pucks he should be stopping I think you at least consider making the change.
I wouldn't want to be in AV's shoes in that situation but we can't give another game away now.
Anyway. The Rangers are resilient. A lot of people turned this game off at 4-2 and we wound up in OT. Wish we stole it but we didn't. Now we have to take Game 4.
It's a 2-1 series right now. We're not quite in red alert territory just yet.