I would have understood it his first year when we were still a Torts team and we went into the playoffs basically expecting him to carry the team offensively. It was a lot to ask of the guy regardless.
But last year and this year when we're a team with more scoring depth and he doesn't have to be THE GUY every night for us to win? It's not even like a monumental amount of pressure is on him to score every night.
Just give us.. something. More than a goal per SERIES isn't asking a whole lot..
not sure who you could possibly move him for? One of the bums on Toronto? Its not like elite scorers are made available.
And only reason we're a #1 seed is because of his regular season efforts.
These are the players Sather bet on -- better or worse -- hopefully he can get it going, and Hank can steal us a few more games in the meanwhile.
Besides, if they dealt him in the offseason we all know he's just going to pull a Gaborik for his new team and pot 15 next postseason elsewhere. Guys like this just need to get going... get their confidence going.... then... you ride guys like this to a Cup.
But man, can we just get this guy the fuck going please.
And how many teams can take on the $7.8 million cap hit?
that Nash is admittedly a streaky player. He's always said he's a streaky player. He's unfortunately fallen into a slump starting at the end of the regular season. Hopefully he can get on a scoring streak again because that would go a long way for the Rangers.
It's never going to be the full $7.8 million b/c something will come back in return.
Edmonton is potentially a good trading partner. Send them Nash and Talbot for Taylor Hall. Hall makes $6 million per year and they're going to draft McDavid. Think the Oilers have better shot at the playoffs with
McDavid & Hall
or
McDavid, Nash & Talbot
It would cost the Oilers approx. $2.9 million for that deal and save the Rangers $2.9 million and they get younger.
Also, Nash's contract expires two years before Hall's which may or may not appeal to Edmonton (or NY).
I'm sure I could find more potential deals. Everybody is tradable in the NHL.
that Nash is admittedly a streaky player. He's always said he's a streaky player. He's unfortunately fallen into a slump starting at the end of the regular season. Hopefully he can get on a scoring streak again because that would go a long way for the Rangers.
A 33 game slump? That's almost half a season. Since March 1, 7 goals 33 games including playoffs. Which is far ahead of his lifetime playoff pace of 7 goals in 55 games.
RE: RE: And how many teams can take on the $7.8 million cap hit?
It's never going to be the full $7.8 million b/c something will come back in return.
Edmonton is potentially a good trading partner. Send them Nash and Talbot for Taylor Hall. Hall makes $6 million per year and they're going to draft McDavid. Think the Oilers have better shot at the playoffs with
McDavid & Hall
or
McDavid, Nash & Talbot
It would cost the Oilers approx. $2.9 million for that deal and save the Rangers $2.9 million and they get younger.
Also, Nash's contract expires two years before Hall's which may or may not appeal to Edmonton (or NY).
I'm sure I could find more potential deals. Everybody is tradable in the NHL.
I nominate you as Slats heir apparent! :-)
Look you guys have had a ridiculious number of 2-1 games
It is not just Nash who is not scoring. Kreider has been very good and so has Brassard and Stepan. To me you need to get Hagelin and Hayes going. The Lightning is going to key on your best players like Nash, so you can live he does put it into the net so long as others pick up the slack. It is easier if Nash can put a few in the back of the net, but some of the pressure comes off him if a couple of your other guys come through. I think if others start scoring Nash's drought will end. Predicting St. Louis gets his 1st 2015 playoff goal tonight.
It is not just Nash who is not scoring. Kreider has been very good and so has Brassard and Stepan. To me you need to get Hagelin and Hayes going. The Lightning is going to key on your best players like Nash, so you can live he does put it into the net so long as others pick up the slack. It is easier if Nash can put a few in the back of the net, but some of the pressure comes off him if a couple of your other guys come through. I think if others start scoring Nash's drought will end. Predicting St. Louis gets his 1st 2015 playoff goal tonight.
We know Hagelin is not a great goal scorer and it's not his role. Hayes is a rookie who they have gotten more out of than any of us could have expected. Don't blame a kid and a guy whose job is to skate, hound and agitate. Blame the veteran guy whose job it is to score.
being a "streaky" player would indicate scoring streaks and droughts are more mental than anything. A scoring drought in the playoffs compounds the mental factor. A scoring drought in the playoffs in NY magnifies the effect even more.
Bottom line though, if he can't get anything going in this series then it's not going to happen. The ice is wide open and nobody is going to make him pay the price for going to those tough areas.
RE: Look you guys have had a ridiculious number of 2-1 games
saying if you can get those guys going it will help. This is like basketball once the playoffs start the scoring becomes tougher. If you can pick up goals from Hayes, Hagelin, or Miller it takes some of the pressure off. Rangers need a game like Tampa had last game 6-2 and get a lot of these guys on the scoring sheet. This time of year is about confidence, Rangers offense needs a little of it.
when teams starting pressing for the playoffs and took the middle from him.
Nash likes to float freely into the middle, take his time, use his reach and score.
When teams take away the middle he's lost. He doesn't drive to the net, he can't skate freely, his reach loses the puck in traffic, he can't his time and he doesn't score.
It's not a streak or streaky. The guy doesn't adapt.
I'd just like to see Nash play with some edge. Mix it up with someone a little bit. Hit someone harder rather than just finishing a check like you're obligated to do it and force your way into the crease and in front of the net. Make Bishop know you're there.
I'm not saying play reckless or take bad penalties but play like you give a damn and are determined to make something happen.
in Edmonton as GM, from Boston, how do you know they're potentially a good trading partner?
Well I didn't have him on the phone nor did the same source that shared the Zucs info at the flying puck contract me but I though we have a debate being the topic came up. Kinda like having a debate about Flores at SS without the emotional tampons chiming in and tripping over their strings.
saying if you can get those guys going it will help. This is like basketball once the playoffs start the scoring becomes tougher. If you can pick up goals from Hayes, Hagelin, or Miller it takes some of the pressure off. Rangers need a game like Tampa had last game 6-2 and get a lot of these guys on the scoring sheet. This time of year is about confidence, Rangers offense needs a little of it.
Miller's had so many chances - it's unbelievable he hasn't netted one.
Miller certainly has had a lot of chances. He's actually creating chances which is great. He's also made a some Daniel Murphy type mistakes which make you shake your head (one step from an icing, throw the puck in the middle of your own end, etc).
He could be the difference. I like the kid.
2 of the Rangers top three goal scorers this year are Nash and MSL
And three of the top five in points are those two and Zuccarello. So....yeah, scoring's been difficult. Outside of Stepan, Kreider and Brassard, no one has more than two goals.
I'd just like to see Nash play with some edge. Mix it up with someone a little bit. Hit someone harder rather than just finishing a check like you're obligated to do it and force your way into the crease and in front of the net. Make Bishop know you're there.
I'm not saying play reckless or take bad penalties but play like you give a damn and are determined to make something happen.
Not sure if it translated on TV Monday night, but he was flying, hitting, and finishing checks.
I do understand people's pent up frustration with the stats, but it has seems odd to me that the Nash-bashing from many fans peaked after game 2. He was not among our top 5 problems in the game.
The reason why the Nash criticism is peaking is because he missed a prime opportunity that could have tied the game and changed its complexion. It wasn't uncontested, but he had a nice opportunity.
because it is the Conference Finals and he's done squat from a scoring standpoint for three rounds.
His +/-, his checking, his board work and his ability to create chances ahs been impressive, but when you are the leading scorer on the team, it is expected you will score. Look at all the heat Gaborik took here, and then he leaves the Rangers and was very effective in the playoffs last year.
Nash isn't useless like MSL has been, but he is getting heat for not doing putting the puck in the net - at an alarmingly low rate.
I'd just like to see Nash play with some edge. Mix it up with someone a little bit. Hit someone harder rather than just finishing a check like you're obligated to do it and force your way into the crease and in front of the net. Make Bishop know you're there.
I'm not saying play reckless or take bad penalties but play like you give a damn and are determined to make something happen.
Not sure if it translated on TV Monday night, but he was flying, hitting, and finishing checks.
I do understand people's pent up frustration with the stats, but it has seems odd to me that the Nash-bashing from many fans peaked after game 2. He was not among our top 5 problems in the game.
But how long do we keep giving him a pass for just doing the other stuff. We can pay a player 2M per year to do what he's doing right now. Love that he's trying and I know he wants to score more than anyone here even realizes but we are firmly in "put up or shut up" territory now and the longer he fails to make an impact on the scoreboard, the louder the criticism is going to get.
It's past the point of excuses. Guy has to get it going already or else we're going to get eliminated. I don't think we can win 7 more playoff games without him having any impact in the way of point production. I just don't.
Rick Nash makes a ton of money because he scores goals
His nice two-way play isn't what gets him that paycheck. I'm sympathetic to his plight, I know effort isn't the problem, but enough is enough - his team needs some production from him ASAP.
There were certainly bigger issues, would just be nice to see him convert on the type of chance he had when it was still a 1 goal game for once in these playoffs. We saw him do it all year long.
Playing with better discipline tonight is obviously priority #1.
RE: Rick Nash makes a ton of money because he scores goals
His nice two-way play isn't what gets him that paycheck. I'm sympathetic to his plight, I know effort isn't the problem, but enough is enough - his team needs some production from him ASAP.
on the beautiful feed from Hagelin 90 seconds into the game monday ... only to have it redirected ... back towards Hagelin in the corner... on the low-light reel.
It's sad to see. Richards was never this bad here.
Didn't do anything particularly badly, didn't really contribute anything positive.
Marty's actively hurting the team with the constant turnovers, the falling down whenever anyone brushes up against him, the missing wide open nets. Has he won a single scrum for the puck on the boards in the postseason? If he has, I must have missed it.
I definitely remember Richards being absolutely terrible.
Richards was brutal in the 2013 playoffs. Especially against Boston. The guy was absolutely lost. He was missing the net by 5 feet and struggling to make routine passes.
For Torts to bench his buddy, you knew he had to be pitiful.
He wasn't as bad last year, he was pretty good in the first couple rounds but after the goal he scored in Game 1 vs MTL he totally fell off.
I at least partially get it right now given what the alternatives are but if MSL is still playing this poorly and Zuccarello makes it back, he's really the one who should sit.
I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. I'd imagine AV regrets not going with Miller over Richards last year and doesn't want to repeat the mistake of holding out hope on an old fuck again.
But I really don't see what they possibly lose by replacing him with Lindberg or Bourque. It's not like they'll lose any offensive production. And I'm pretty sure Lindberg would play solid defense and manage to stay on his skates most of the time.
are our prospects good in the sense that we still have decent 3rd and 4th line options and good D- in the system.... or is this a product of just having more career "AAAA" types than other teams?
Skapski played well for Hartford this season but it's Yann Denis (who is in his 30s) who's played in the playoffs. Their leading scorers are mostly AHL lifers - Chris Bourque, Chris Mueller, Joey Crabb.
RE: I definitely remember Richards being absolutely terrible.
Could barely handle the puck in the last two rounds.
+1
Richards couldn't keep up with anybody and the puck jumped all over his stick. He was a mess. St Louis is demonstrating better wheels than Richards but his decisions with the puck are awful.
But last year and this year when we're a team with more scoring depth and he doesn't have to be THE GUY every night for us to win? It's not even like a monumental amount of pressure is on him to score every night.
Just give us.. something. More than a goal per SERIES isn't asking a whole lot..
Sure will be a nice cap savings and at least one good player should come n return.
Hope Nash figures out how to score. No way this organization or fans forgive him if the Rangers lose and he fails to score more.
And only reason we're a #1 seed is because of his regular season efforts.
These are the players Sather bet on -- better or worse -- hopefully he can get it going, and Hank can steal us a few more games in the meanwhile.
Besides, if they dealt him in the offseason we all know he's just going to pull a Gaborik for his new team and pot 15 next postseason elsewhere. Guys like this just need to get going... get their confidence going.... then... you ride guys like this to a Cup.
But man, can we just get this guy the fuck going please.
Seems like the only streaks we've seen from him during Spring time hockey are ice cold.
It's never going to be the full $7.8 million b/c something will come back in return.
Edmonton is potentially a good trading partner. Send them Nash and Talbot for Taylor Hall. Hall makes $6 million per year and they're going to draft McDavid. Think the Oilers have better shot at the playoffs with
McDavid & Hall
or
McDavid, Nash & Talbot
It would cost the Oilers approx. $2.9 million for that deal and save the Rangers $2.9 million and they get younger.
Also, Nash's contract expires two years before Hall's which may or may not appeal to Edmonton (or NY).
I'm sure I could find more potential deals. Everybody is tradable in the NHL.
A 33 game slump? That's almost half a season. Since March 1, 7 goals 33 games including playoffs. Which is far ahead of his lifetime playoff pace of 7 goals in 55 games.
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Nash will be near impossible to move.
It's never going to be the full $7.8 million b/c something will come back in return.
Edmonton is potentially a good trading partner. Send them Nash and Talbot for Taylor Hall. Hall makes $6 million per year and they're going to draft McDavid. Think the Oilers have better shot at the playoffs with
McDavid & Hall
or
McDavid, Nash & Talbot
It would cost the Oilers approx. $2.9 million for that deal and save the Rangers $2.9 million and they get younger.
Also, Nash's contract expires two years before Hall's which may or may not appeal to Edmonton (or NY).
I'm sure I could find more potential deals. Everybody is tradable in the NHL.
I nominate you as Slats heir apparent! :-)
We know Hagelin is not a great goal scorer and it's not his role. Hayes is a rookie who they have gotten more out of than any of us could have expected. Don't blame a kid and a guy whose job is to skate, hound and agitate. Blame the veteran guy whose job it is to score.
Bottom line though, if he can't get anything going in this series then it's not going to happen. The ice is wide open and nobody is going to make him pay the price for going to those tough areas.
Hagelin and Haynes have given us more than we expected.
Both have driven to the net (unlike Nash)
Both have played very hard on the boards (shocked Hagelin has but he's been very tough on the board)
Both have back checked well
Hagelin has used his speed and forced himself in position to get a shot and sometimes we get a rebound.
Those two may not be lighting the lamp but they're working their tails off and creating more opportunities than one Rick Nash IMO.
Chiarelli fleeced Toronto in the Kessell trade and did well to acquire Seidenberg, but has been awful trading otherwise (IMO).
I like him as a GM, but trading is not his forte.
Nash likes to float freely into the middle, take his time, use his reach and score.
When teams take away the middle he's lost. He doesn't drive to the net, he can't skate freely, his reach loses the puck in traffic, he can't his time and he doesn't score.
It's not a streak or streaky. The guy doesn't adapt.
I'm not saying play reckless or take bad penalties but play like you give a damn and are determined to make something happen.
Well I didn't have him on the phone nor did the same source that shared the Zucs info at the flying puck contract me but I though we have a debate being the topic came up. Kinda like having a debate about Flores at SS without the emotional tampons chiming in and tripping over their strings.
Miller's had so many chances - it's unbelievable he hasn't netted one.
He could be the difference. I like the kid.
I'm not saying play reckless or take bad penalties but play like you give a damn and are determined to make something happen.
Not sure if it translated on TV Monday night, but he was flying, hitting, and finishing checks.
I do understand people's pent up frustration with the stats, but it has seems odd to me that the Nash-bashing from many fans peaked after game 2. He was not among our top 5 problems in the game.
His +/-, his checking, his board work and his ability to create chances ahs been impressive, but when you are the leading scorer on the team, it is expected you will score. Look at all the heat Gaborik took here, and then he leaves the Rangers and was very effective in the playoffs last year.
Nash isn't useless like MSL has been, but he is getting heat for not doing putting the puck in the net - at an alarmingly low rate.
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I'd just like to see Nash play with some edge. Mix it up with someone a little bit. Hit someone harder rather than just finishing a check like you're obligated to do it and force your way into the crease and in front of the net. Make Bishop know you're there.
I'm not saying play reckless or take bad penalties but play like you give a damn and are determined to make something happen.
Not sure if it translated on TV Monday night, but he was flying, hitting, and finishing checks.
I do understand people's pent up frustration with the stats, but it has seems odd to me that the Nash-bashing from many fans peaked after game 2. He was not among our top 5 problems in the game.
But how long do we keep giving him a pass for just doing the other stuff. We can pay a player 2M per year to do what he's doing right now. Love that he's trying and I know he wants to score more than anyone here even realizes but we are firmly in "put up or shut up" territory now and the longer he fails to make an impact on the scoreboard, the louder the criticism is going to get.
It's past the point of excuses. Guy has to get it going already or else we're going to get eliminated. I don't think we can win 7 more playoff games without him having any impact in the way of point production. I just don't.
All of the things people are saying w/r/t Nash are deserved.
My frustration with Brassard's penalties and MSLs utter suckitude were greater in the aftermath of that game.
Playing with better discipline tonight is obviously priority #1.
BINGO!
Playing with better discipline and not tripping over our own feet... repeatedly... is obviously priority #1 tonight....
It's sad to see. Richards was never this bad here.
Marty's actively hurting the team with the constant turnovers, the falling down whenever anyone brushes up against him, the missing wide open nets. Has he won a single scrum for the puck on the boards in the postseason? If he has, I must have missed it.
For Torts to bench his buddy, you knew he had to be pitiful.
He wasn't as bad last year, he was pretty good in the first couple rounds but after the goal he scored in Game 1 vs MTL he totally fell off.
I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. I'd imagine AV regrets not going with Miller over Richards last year and doesn't want to repeat the mistake of holding out hope on an old fuck again.
+1
Richards couldn't keep up with anybody and the puck jumped all over his stick. He was a mess. St Louis is demonstrating better wheels than Richards but his decisions with the puck are awful.