As of now, there are really only 4 prospects I think the Knicks are choosing between: Mudiay, Russell, Winslow, and Kristaps Porwhateveritis. And in reality we will only get to choose between 3 because the sixers will take one of those off the board. If there is someone I am neglecting, please let me know, but it seems that there is a huge drop off after those. I know that Mario guy in Spain looks like a freak of nature but I am not sure if he is someone you gamble on with the 3rd pick.
But one thing seems to be certain: we won't be getting a center through the draft. I am hoping we land Monroe but I hope he plays the 4 because we will desperately need a rim protector if we are rolling out Monroe and Melo together.
I think the chances on Aldridge, Gasol, and Jordan are slim because even in the slim chance they do leave their current teams, those guys are at the point in their respective careers where they are going for a contending team rather than the Knicks.
So here is a list of guys I think we are going to go after in the offseason (some will get ruled out based on who we draft). I think all of the big name restricted FAs will get matched, so I am not including any of those:
1. Monroe (offense/rebounding, probably receives a max)
2. Wes Matthews (could be a high risk/reward option. Might not end up spending that much in FA, if he can be 75% of what he was on defense he'd be an improvement)
3. Kyle O'Quinn (not many will agree with me I'm sure but he is a rim protector and can hit 3's; he is restricted so it might cost a lot to pull him away but I think it may be worth it)
4. Asik/Rob Lopez/Koufos (Sort of the Mozgov-type bigs, defense and rebounding)
5. Brandan Wright (was a 20 and 10 guy on a per 36 basis in Dallas, doesn't bring much rim protection but his efficiency is ridiculous)
6. Thad Young/Brandon Bass (if we can't get Monroe)
7. Afflalo/Gerald Green (guard market is barren, might be the most appealing if they don't take the player option)
8. Aaron Brooks/Mo williams (if we don't get Mudiay, if we get Russel we can move him to the 2 in this case)
9. Big Al/Brook Lopez (if we don't get Monroe and they both opt out)
Who do you think we go for?
You do know that his max is only 15 million first year so by next year his deal is going to look like a mid level deal..
Also after signing him Knicks would have another 13 million to add more pieces..
We can't give Monroe a max and then give a max to any of those 3 guys this year, especially with Calderon still under contract.
Yeah I mentioned that. He also doesn't provide spacing so I think bringing in O'quinn can add rim protection and shooting.
The only real stars out there are Aldridge/Gasol and we arent getting them. Thing is Monroe is still young enough that he could easily still improve. Not saying he will be a superstar but he is already a pretty damn good player. We also already have a superstar and you have to really hope that whoever we draft shows star potential.
You sign him you still have 13 million to play with maybe more if you can trade Calderon and THJR or cut Calderon and stretch provision his contract...
Mudiay
Melo
Monroe
then add a defensive center and some depth with money you have left you definitely have a playoff team in the east...
then another 20 million or so the following year...
you NEED a defensive center though if you sign Monroe...
Mudiay
Mathews
Melo
Monroe
Asik
Although maybe we can find a center whose name could start with an M?!?
The only real stars out there are Aldridge/Gasol and we arent getting them. Thing is Monroe is still young enough that he could easily still improve. Not saying he will be a superstar but he is already a pretty damn good player. We also already have a superstar and you have to really hope that whoever we draft shows star potential.
Good points. While Monroe isn't a rim protector he isn't too shabby of a post defender. My worry with R Lopez is that he is going to have many options so I don't know how reliable it is to bank on him coming.
depth just doesn't show up--- it costs money and willingness to go there.
the roster was VERY bare.
Knicks stink, lose draft choices and clear up cap issues
Knicks bank on a player or draft position and miss out
Knicks buy old players, lose more draft picks and wreck their cap
Just keep repeating history.
Knicks stink, lose draft choices and clear up cap issues
Knicks bank on a player or draft position and miss out
Knicks buy old players, lose more draft picks and wreck their cap
Just keep repeating history.
new regime new leadership...have faith...stop freaking out over things that have not even happened yet...
Mudiay
Mathews
Melo
Monroe
Asik
Although maybe we can find a center whose name could start with an M?!?
NO gave up a 1st round pick to get Asik for 1 year and their defensive ratings were really good when they put Davis and Asik together. I can see them easily giving him $12 M a year at the least to retain him.
But that does bring up Alexis Ajinca, Asik's backup. He is a better offensive player. His per 36 #s were 16.7 PPG, 12 RPG and 2 blocks per game as well as a 20 PER. He is 7'1 and 26. I wouldn't mind giving him a $10M a year offer.
depth just doesn't show up--- it costs money and willingness to go there.
the roster was VERY bare.
Your right i should of said IF they get the right pieces for depth they should be a playoff team...
Mudiay Melo and Monroe is a good start though...
Just have to wait and see...
Is Isiah Thomas in the future plans? You bet when Mr. Important realizes he can't win without Super Stars and can't find any.
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The problem I have with Mudiay, Monroe, and Asik is the lack of shooting. We are relying on Melo and Matthews in that case for all the shooting period, not just 3 pointers. That type of spacing would be worse than Pistons with JSmoove. I'm kinda hoping we get Russel or Winslow so Monroe would be a better fit.
Is Isiah Thomas in the future plans? You bet when Mr. Important realizes he can't win without Super Stars and can't find any.
Maybe? maybe Dolan hired him to test out things for the Knicks on the liberty to see if it works...
you know like how the NFL had the NHL delay a game to see if fans will stay in the cold weather becuase of the super bowl?
i guess you just never know
I sure hope so. A quick look around the league and I don't see any team that has success with a PG that can't shoot. John Wall couldn't shoot 3s but he had a workable mid-range shot coming into the league that Mudiay does not have in the least. And its been what, 4 or 5 years and Wall still doesn't have an average 3 point shot? We can't wait that long on Mudiay, who doesn't even have Wall's vision or high level defense. He looks like a poor man's Wall to me. He will be good but that can still be 5-6 years from now.
It just doesn't seem the league is built for PG's like Rubio, MCW or Rondo anymore.
If NO wants to pay asik anywhere near 12 mill then there is no chance we get him. I was thinking something like 8 max.
Go read one of Woj's articles all of them are biased, whether it is towards players, agents or teams....he only writes good things about the the peole that leak him information, so if your a team that doesnt leak info to him he hates you...
look at what he wrote about Donnie Walsh
Ummm there are players who said they talked to Phil in Chicago...
I really like Winslow. He has some stuff to clean up but I can see him becoming a Jimmy Butler type player and his defense already translates to the league. He gets trashed by analysts for his 3 point shot but he shot 41% in college so idk how terrible he can be beyond the arc.
This Kristaps guy is also extremely intriguing but he is a project to the extreme. His ceiling is Dirk but can block shots. Yikes.
I really like Winslow. He has some stuff to clean up but I can see him becoming a Jimmy Butler type player and his defense already translates to the league. He gets trashed by analysts for his 3 point shot but he shot 41% in college so idk how terrible he can be beyond the arc.
This Kristaps guy is also extremely intriguing but he is a project to the extreme. His ceiling is Dirk but can block shots. Yikes.
The problem with Russell is he is going to have a lot of trouble creating his own shot and getting into the lane, he is not quick enough to get by people...
Also he is not quick enough to stay in front of the quicker guards in the NBA...
Yeah I'm not saying Russel is an athlete. That's why I compared him to Lowry. He doesn't burn by people but he just knows how to ball. His height gives him an advantage when his speed doesn't. I'm not worried about him creating his own shot while we have Melo and especially if we get Monroe. His shooting and instincts will be more important.
Maybe Lowry isn't the best comparison, more like a James Harden-ish player but more of a PG?
I dont want to draft a PG that you need to create shots for that should be his job...
Yeah I'm not saying Russel is an athlete. That's why I compared him to Lowry. He doesn't burn by people but he just knows how to ball. His height gives him an advantage when his speed doesn't. I'm not worried about him creating his own shot while we have Melo and especially if we get Monroe. His shooting and instincts will be more important.
Maybe Lowry isn't the best comparison, more like a James Harden-ish player but more of a PG?
Porzingis is less physically developed than Anthony Davis
He might be the least physically developed draft eligible player I've ever seen.
and obviously not the same caliber of athlete
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Bingo.
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Woj would say its a 2 player draft and that Russell and Mudiay are out of shape. If the knicks were picking second Woj would say its really just Towns and all the other guys are out of shape.
Bingo.
Yeah pretty much. The narrative of this draft was going to change this morning depending on where the Knicks ended up. If they got the top choice, all of a sudden it would be a shitty class from top to bottom.
And Davis lost a lot of that athleticism when he hurt his knee....
I loved prime Davis, i wanted him so bad on the Knicks when he was a free agent and there were rumors that he wanted to come to the Knicks...
Davis was just fun to watch and had that competitive edge...
Solid 6th-7th man type. Not a starter on a good team but a legit NBA contributer. Tweener but has skills.
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good is Langston Galloway? I saw he made All-Rookie second team. He put up some decent numbers for a rookie. What is his ceiling?
Solid 6th-7th man type. Not a starter on a good team but a legit NBA contributer. Tweener but has skills.
He's a good two way player too.
Option 2 Trade for the 16th this year and the number one that they own from brooklyn for next year. And they take Calderon
I love Devon booker's upside reminds me of klay Thompson a little bit. I think upshaw could be worth the risk as a late first and I think rakeem Christmas could come in right away and give solid minutes at PF.
I would be happy with either one of these trades assuming Calderon included
I'd still consider taking him. I know that he's probably two years away but some are saying he's the best overall prospect in the entire draft.