@MikeGarafolo: The Giants selected OT Ereck Flowers at No. 9. He and Justin Pugh would be candidates at left tackle if Beatty is out to start the season.
@Patricia_Traina: Unbelievable. Nicks, Hynoski, Beason and now Beatty all injured in offseason. When does it stop?
@Patricia_Traina: If this is indeed serious, looks like Flowers to left tackle, Pugh to RT. figure John Jerry will start at one of the guards. ...
@art_stapleton: Source confirms Giants LT Will Beatty sustained pectoral injury lifting weights, as @MikeGarafolo reported. Being evaluated this afternoon.
months Giants will be putting him on IR. That's minimum half the season with everything going well. Could be that we have now already seen Beatty's last game in Blue. John Jerry, welcome back to the starting line. This Blows.
@Patricia_Traina: If this is indeed serious, looks like Flowers to left tackle, Pugh to RT. figure John Jerry will start at one of the guards. ...
@art_stapleton: Source confirms Giants LT Will Beatty sustained pectoral injury lifting weights, as @MikeGarafolo reported. Being evaluated this afternoon.
@Patricia_Traina: If Beatty needs surgery...a big IF at this point...you wonder if maybe they bring back ...
@Patricia_Traina: Kevin Boothe to play 1 of the guards since, you know their depth at OT just took a hit & Jerry & Newhouse were supposed to be the OT depth.
Yes the organization was involved in this injury. Will must have said something about a new contract and they send somebody on the payroll in there to make sure that didn't happen.
there needs to be some evaluation of why this keeps happening
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
OK, what do you think is going on? Do you think guys are trying to get hurt? Or that guys aren't stretching properly? Maybe there's something in the cafeteria meat loaf or friday's Pizza...
Nothing is going on. Guys are just getting hurt. There's a fine line between the good teams and bad teams and it's defined in part by luck. No one wants to say that though. The GM is either brilliant or fucking stupid if you believe the masses.
same old training staff. Keep everything the same. Keep suffering bad injuries every year. O-Line and Secondary can't stay healthy past September. Let alone May/offseason. Every. Single. Season.
there needs to be some evaluation of why this keeps happening
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
Well go ahead. Tell us what is happening.
I have no idea, but the percentage at which the Giants suffer injuries should be something that's looked into....This can't all just be bad luck...is it the workout regimen....are they doing any supplements that could be the cause? Is the water at the training facility laced with some unknown chemical that makes tendons and muscle structures weak? Crazy, I know, but I'd hate to find something out 5 years from now that explains what the Giants led the NFL in injuries for 7 years straight?
Am I being reasonable??? Hell no...Right now I feel like Clark Griswold freaking out on his way to Wally World when he swears his family will have so much fuc king fun that they'll be whistling zippety-doo-dah outta their assholes.....NO NO NO, not another injury to a key pleayer...NONONONONONOoooooooooooooooooo.........
Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
That was beautiful...hahaha...all you can do is laugh man....
but they always add multiple offensive linemen each offseason. I wanted them to draft more than one with the top four picks (of course, they traded one). You know talented depth is different than multiple, mediocre bodies and considering it depth.
Did they sign anyone who would realistically start over Jerry? Also, how likely is it that we can sign someone else now that the draft comp phase is done?
but they always add multiple offensive linemen each offseason. I wanted them to draft more than one with the top four picks (of course, they traded one). You know talented depth is different than multiple, mediocre bodies and considering it depth.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Great, all I would do is replace "entertainment" with "protection" and you have the creative contribution of the day.
RE: RE: Joe Barksdale just signed with the Chargers
Barksdale is a terrible pass protector. You guys make him out to be Kareem McKenzie.
I'm just saying, our LT just went down and the first name I thought of was Barksdale yet the guy literally just signed with the Chargers. 24 hours could have been the difference.
Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Great, all I would do is replace "entertainment" with "protection" and you have the creative contribution of the day.
I disagree, they aren't providing protection to the fans questioning this, they are providing entertainment.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
of injuries can be skewed by two very important things:
1) Sample Size
2) Calibre of player injured
When it all boils down, it is a very small sample size to take 2-3 years worth of injury data and try to draw conclusions.
Have the Giants been on the bad side of the amount of injuries? YES
Have the Giants often had "cluster" injuries to one or two positions? YES
But this cannot indicate where the problems lie. If the type of injury was consistent, like multiple knee injuries unlike other teams or multiple head injuries vs. other teams, you might be able to pinpoint something to equipment, field surface, or even training and conditioning. But when the injuries seem to have no correlation to one another, one conclusion could be bad luck.
I spent many years in the area of the training room and have seen many studies discussing injuries and the prevention of them, but the general consensus is that injuries are more of a matter of luck than negligence. We also tend to look at things in a vacuum. There are teams that also have injury issues. The Jags had the WR corp nearly wiped out for a portion of the past two years and their first round pick is done for the year. Hard to say that is anything but poor luck.
The giants spent most of the 80's and 90's as one of the healthiest teams in the league (while having a pretty shitty playing surface) and have spent the majority of the past 20 years below average with an improved playing surface.
I hate to cop out and say it is bad luck, but that's probably closer to the truth than negligence or poor strength and conditioning.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
Yes, I'd take Guy Whimper over the guys they're going to trot out there now. Whimper's a journeyman but he's been in the league for a while and done an adequate job.
Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
How did Boothe fill in when called upon and how did the starters play the past few years? This team had so little depth that Diehl was playing two years beyond his retirement date. You can't see the difference? You don't think drafting more OL would have helped? I mean, it's only the QB to protect and culprit one as to why the team has been disaster according to just about everybody.
and, whatever his faults, Whimper filled in nicely in the 2007 playoff
Hmmm
Sarasota-Phil : 4:00 pm : link : reply
Now if JR had only burned a 7th round pick on a certain former LSU OT......
The bottom line is that this stuff happens year in and year out, a simple 7th round pick could have provided amazing insurance. So frustrating.
But where it happens changes. Using the logic above, we probably should have taken a flyer on a DB or WR since we've had those positions in a MASH camp often.
The bottom line is that injuries are a crap shoot - but a crap shoot with tough results because over the past 25 years, the amount of injuries a team has is the top indicator of how they will perform.
No matter what you think of them now, nobody was killing Reese & Co. for drafting James Brewer or Brandon Mosley. They were considered very good value picks and they were both expected to contribute. The fact that they haven't is another story entirely.
You can use a 2nd Round pick on an OT and end up with Charles Brown. You can use a 5th Round pick on an OG and end up with Carl Nicks. It's all a crapshoot.
No matter what you think of them now, nobody was killing Reese & Co. for drafting James Brewer or Brandon Mosley. They were considered very good value picks and they were both expected to contribute.
Speak for yourself. I wanted Marcus Cannon (who did have a cancer bout) rather than a soft Brewer and wanted Osemele rather than David Wilson. Never heard of Mosley.
This is BBI where being evaluated means out 6 months
In comment 12294719 Hades07 said:
[quote] Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. [/qu
Verrrry interesting! Why take this criticism so personally?
Are you a member of the NY Giants Strength and Conditioning
group that has been taking so much abuse on
BBI over the last few years?
but thankfully time is somewhat on our side. I'd sign Boothe, maybe even someone like Barksdale or Jake Long. Just bring in bodies. Beatty will almost certainly be a contender for IR-designee to return, but in the interim you need to fill in competent players wherever you can.
Told ya we were one injury away from a weak oline and some said blah blah blah blah. So here we go again. I'm going to pray we can pick up a Tackle worth his weight before the season starts but I'm really not expecting any teams to cut the goods ones.
RE: Told ya we needed more than one upgrade to the OL
Told ya we were one injury away from a weak oline and some said blah blah blah blah. So here we go again. I'm going to pray we can pick up a Tackle worth his weight before the season starts but I'm really not expecting any teams to cut the goods ones.
Any team that loses their starting LT is going to have a problem. You aren't exactly breaking new ground with this prediction. Every team is always one injury to a key player away.
And you don't just take a trip to the Starting Left Tackle store. They simply aren't readily available. Nobody has starting quality left tackles on standby in case of injury, and nor can a draft pick be expected to handle that responsibility either. Better prospects than Ereck Flowers or La'el Collins have been drafted and not started at Left Tackle simply because it's just that difficult to do.
Jake Matthews had to do it last year because of injury and he struggled mightily, and that's just one of many examples.
RE: Told ya we needed more than one upgrade to the OL
Told ya we were one injury away from a weak oline and some said blah blah blah blah. So here we go again.
Some claimed we didn't need any. I've been hoping for two of our top three picks were the OL for two years straight while wanted Osemele, Marcus Cannon and a few others for years.
I just don't understand this front office banking on so few bodies. Look at the Pats. Their OL is pretty solid yet they drafted four offensive linemen over the past two years (Huge Tre Jackson and powerful Shaq Mason this past draft and last year went with Brian Stork (who started) and huge Cameron Flemming).
The Giants just continue leaving themselves with so few options in the event of an injury.
@Patricia_Traina: Unbelievable. Nicks, Hynoski, Beason and now Beatty all injured in offseason. When does it stop?
@art_stapleton: Source confirms Giants LT Will Beatty sustained pectoral injury lifting weights, as @MikeGarafolo reported. Being evaluated this afternoon.
Are we ever going to field a good OL again?
*No, actually not, but this is some bullshit.
Hindsight is a b*tch!
@Patricia_Traina: Unbelievable. Nicks, Hynoski, Beason and now Beatty all injured in offseason. When does it stop?
Seemingly, never.
Oh wait.
He thought Flowers was coming up right behind him.
@art_stapleton: Source confirms Giants LT Will Beatty sustained pectoral injury lifting weights, as @MikeGarafolo reported. Being evaluated this afternoon.
Screw that.. Hello Brett Jones
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
@Patricia_Traina: Kevin Boothe to play 1 of the guards since, you know their depth at OT just took a hit & Jerry & Newhouse were supposed to be the OT depth.
Oh wait.
Sure, rub it in.
@RossTuckerNFL: Good thing they drafted Flowers but I think he'll be a liability in pass pro.
Hanging out with Herman Moore and Dorsey Levins
I want answers....
Should a player, once they turn 30, go to more of a maintenance/conditioning regimen?
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
Well go ahead. Tell us what is happening.
I want the truth!
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
OK, what do you think is going on? Do you think guys are trying to get hurt? Or that guys aren't stretching properly? Maybe there's something in the cafeteria meat loaf or friday's Pizza...
Nothing is going on. Guys are just getting hurt. There's a fine line between the good teams and bad teams and it's defined in part by luck. No one wants to say that though. The GM is either brilliant or fucking stupid if you believe the masses.
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there needs to be some evaluation of why this keeps happening
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
Well go ahead. Tell us what is happening.
I have no idea, but the percentage at which the Giants suffer injuries should be something that's looked into....This can't all just be bad luck...is it the workout regimen....are they doing any supplements that could be the cause? Is the water at the training facility laced with some unknown chemical that makes tendons and muscle structures weak? Crazy, I know, but I'd hate to find something out 5 years from now that explains what the Giants led the NFL in injuries for 7 years straight?
Am I being reasonable??? Hell no...Right now I feel like Clark Griswold freaking out on his way to Wally World when he swears his family will have so much fuc king fun that they'll be whistling zippety-doo-dah outta their assholes.....NO NO NO, not another injury to a key pleayer...NONONONONONOoooooooooooooooooo.........
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Only we have players go down with serious injuries in late May
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
That was beautiful...hahaha...all you can do is laugh man....
It's May and the error has already appeared. Now they're one mishap from a disaster on the OL.
This front office lol. What a joke.
but they always add multiple offensive linemen each offseason. I wanted them to draft more than one with the top four picks (of course, they traded one). You know talented depth is different than multiple, mediocre bodies and considering it depth.
Did they sign anyone who would realistically start over Jerry? Also, how likely is it that we can sign someone else now that the draft comp phase is done?
But one of them is Marshall Newhouse, sooooooo.....
It is an allocation of resources. You fill needs through free agency and the draft
Flowers, LT
?, LG
Richman, C
Schwarz, RG
Pugh, RT
Can Bobby Hart step in right away?
I think Newhouse will start out as the LT but I think Pugh will be starting week one unless Flowers really surprises.
Flowers, LT
?, LG
Richman, C
Schwarz, RG
Pugh, RT
Can Bobby Hart step in right away?
Harry Richman...and probably dead - ( New Window )
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they actually added four OLs this offseason.
but they always add multiple offensive linemen each offseason. I wanted them to draft more than one with the top four picks (of course, they traded one). You know talented depth is different than multiple, mediocre bodies and considering it depth.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
This front office lol. What a joke.
Barksdale is a terrible pass protector. You guys make him out to be Kareem McKenzie.
It is an allocation of resources. You fill needs through free agency and the draft
So make sense for us. Who is the LT?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Great, all I would do is replace "entertainment" with "protection" and you have the creative contribution of the day.
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awesome.
This front office lol. What a joke.
Barksdale is a terrible pass protector. You guys make him out to be Kareem McKenzie.
I'm just saying, our LT just went down and the first name I thought of was Barksdale yet the guy literally just signed with the Chargers. 24 hours could have been the difference.
Jesus Richburg - ( New Window )
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Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Great, all I would do is replace "entertainment" with "protection" and you have the creative contribution of the day.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
1) Sample Size
2) Calibre of player injured
When it all boils down, it is a very small sample size to take 2-3 years worth of injury data and try to draw conclusions.
Have the Giants been on the bad side of the amount of injuries? YES
Have the Giants often had "cluster" injuries to one or two positions? YES
But this cannot indicate where the problems lie. If the type of injury was consistent, like multiple knee injuries unlike other teams or multiple head injuries vs. other teams, you might be able to pinpoint something to equipment, field surface, or even training and conditioning. But when the injuries seem to have no correlation to one another, one conclusion could be bad luck.
I spent many years in the area of the training room and have seen many studies discussing injuries and the prevention of them, but the general consensus is that injuries are more of a matter of luck than negligence. We also tend to look at things in a vacuum. There are teams that also have injury issues. The Jags had the WR corp nearly wiped out for a portion of the past two years and their first round pick is done for the year. Hard to say that is anything but poor luck.
The giants spent most of the 80's and 90's as one of the healthiest teams in the league (while having a pretty shitty playing surface) and have spent the majority of the past 20 years below average with an improved playing surface.
I hate to cop out and say it is bad luck, but that's probably closer to the truth than negligence or poor strength and conditioning.
Charles Brown 2.0, here we come.
Right, and that's the problem. Marshall Newhouse is awful, just like Charles Brown was awful and John Jerry is awful.
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In comment 12294760 Giants2012 said:
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
The bottom line is that this stuff happens year in and year out, a simple 7th round pick could have provided amazing insurance. So frustrating.
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In comment 12294789 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12294760 Giants2012 said:
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
Yes, I'd take Guy Whimper over the guys they're going to trot out there now. Whimper's a journeyman but he's been in the league for a while and done an adequate job.
Grey Ruegamer was a solid veteran depth guy too.
Blasphemy! Unnecessary, unfeeling, uncouth, undesirable,
etc., etc., etc.
PISS OFF!
Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
How did Boothe fill in when called upon and how did the starters play the past few years? This team had so little depth that Diehl was playing two years beyond his retirement date. You can't see the difference? You don't think drafting more OL would have helped? I mean, it's only the QB to protect and culprit one as to why the team has been disaster according to just about everybody.
I would have preferred another offensive lineman by Round 3 being they didn't get two in the first three rounds last year.
I think the talent is just too thin and the risk for injury is too great.
Sarasota-Phil : 4:00 pm : link : reply
Now if JR had only burned a 7th round pick on a certain former LSU OT......
The bottom line is that this stuff happens year in and year out, a simple 7th round pick could have provided amazing insurance. So frustrating.
But where it happens changes. Using the logic above, we probably should have taken a flyer on a DB or WR since we've had those positions in a MASH camp often.
The bottom line is that injuries are a crap shoot - but a crap shoot with tough results because over the past 25 years, the amount of injuries a team has is the top indicator of how they will perform.
....I don't get invited to funerals since the ventriloquist thing....I thought I'd knock em dead with that
No matter what you think of them now, nobody was killing Reese & Co. for drafting James Brewer or Brandon Mosley. They were considered very good value picks and they were both expected to contribute. The fact that they haven't is another story entirely.
You can use a 2nd Round pick on an OT and end up with Charles Brown. You can use a 5th Round pick on an OG and end up with Carl Nicks. It's all a crapshoot.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
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No matter what you think of them now, nobody was killing Reese & Co. for drafting James Brewer or Brandon Mosley. They were considered very good value picks and they were both expected to contribute.
Speak for yourself. I wanted Marcus Cannon (who did have a cancer bout) rather than a soft Brewer and wanted Osemele rather than David Wilson. Never heard of Mosley.
Why don't we wait and see before we go completely accusatory...
I always love the critics who act as if there's no such thing as a cap. They want Hall of famers starting and All pros as back-ups.
[quote] Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. [/qu
Verrrry interesting! Why take this criticism so personally?
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group that has been taking so much abuse on
BBI over the last few years?
Newhouse remains a backup. You heard it here first.
Wonder how BBI would handle an off season injury to OBJ while snowboarding in Utah?
Told ya we were one injury away from a weak oline and some said blah blah blah blah. So here we go again. I'm going to pray we can pick up a Tackle worth his weight before the season starts but I'm really not expecting any teams to cut the goods ones.
Told ya we were one injury away from a weak oline and some said blah blah blah blah. So here we go again. I'm going to pray we can pick up a Tackle worth his weight before the season starts but I'm really not expecting any teams to cut the goods ones.
Any team that loses their starting LT is going to have a problem. You aren't exactly breaking new ground with this prediction. Every team is always one injury to a key player away.
And you don't just take a trip to the Starting Left Tackle store. They simply aren't readily available. Nobody has starting quality left tackles on standby in case of injury, and nor can a draft pick be expected to handle that responsibility either. Better prospects than Ereck Flowers or La'el Collins have been drafted and not started at Left Tackle simply because it's just that difficult to do.
Jake Matthews had to do it last year because of injury and he struggled mightily, and that's just one of many examples.
Told ya we were one injury away from a weak oline and some said blah blah blah blah. So here we go again.
Some claimed we didn't need any. I've been hoping for two of our top three picks were the OL for two years straight while wanted Osemele, Marcus Cannon and a few others for years.
I just don't understand this front office banking on so few bodies. Look at the Pats. Their OL is pretty solid yet they drafted four offensive linemen over the past two years (Huge Tre Jackson and powerful Shaq Mason this past draft and last year went with Brian Stork (who started) and huge Cameron Flemming).
The Giants just continue leaving themselves with so few options in the event of an injury.
It is pure 20/20. Frankly, as much as the injury sucks, I'd rather have it on the OL than other positions where we are thin.
It is pure 20/20. Frankly, as much as the injury sucks, I'd rather have it on the OL than other positions where we are thin.
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