there needs to be some evaluation of why this keeps happening
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
OK, what do you think is going on? Do you think guys are trying to get hurt? Or that guys aren't stretching properly? Maybe there's something in the cafeteria meat loaf or friday's Pizza...
Nothing is going on. Guys are just getting hurt. There's a fine line between the good teams and bad teams and it's defined in part by luck. No one wants to say that though. The GM is either brilliant or fucking stupid if you believe the masses.
same old training staff. Keep everything the same. Keep suffering bad injuries every year. O-Line and Secondary can't stay healthy past September. Let alone May/offseason. Every. Single. Season.
there needs to be some evaluation of why this keeps happening
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
Well go ahead. Tell us what is happening.
I have no idea, but the percentage at which the Giants suffer injuries should be something that's looked into....This can't all just be bad luck...is it the workout regimen....are they doing any supplements that could be the cause? Is the water at the training facility laced with some unknown chemical that makes tendons and muscle structures weak? Crazy, I know, but I'd hate to find something out 5 years from now that explains what the Giants led the NFL in injuries for 7 years straight?
Am I being reasonable??? Hell no...Right now I feel like Clark Griswold freaking out on his way to Wally World when he swears his family will have so much fuc king fun that they'll be whistling zippety-doo-dah outta their assholes.....NO NO NO, not another injury to a key pleayer...NONONONONONOoooooooooooooooooo.........
Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
That was beautiful...hahaha...all you can do is laugh man....
but they always add multiple offensive linemen each offseason. I wanted them to draft more than one with the top four picks (of course, they traded one). You know talented depth is different than multiple, mediocre bodies and considering it depth.
Did they sign anyone who would realistically start over Jerry? Also, how likely is it that we can sign someone else now that the draft comp phase is done?
but they always add multiple offensive linemen each offseason. I wanted them to draft more than one with the top four picks (of course, they traded one). You know talented depth is different than multiple, mediocre bodies and considering it depth.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Great, all I would do is replace "entertainment" with "protection" and you have the creative contribution of the day.
RE: RE: Joe Barksdale just signed with the Chargers
Barksdale is a terrible pass protector. You guys make him out to be Kareem McKenzie.
I'm just saying, our LT just went down and the first name I thought of was Barksdale yet the guy literally just signed with the Chargers. 24 hours could have been the difference.
Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Great, all I would do is replace "entertainment" with "protection" and you have the creative contribution of the day.
I disagree, they aren't providing protection to the fans questioning this, they are providing entertainment.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
of injuries can be skewed by two very important things:
1) Sample Size
2) Calibre of player injured
When it all boils down, it is a very small sample size to take 2-3 years worth of injury data and try to draw conclusions.
Have the Giants been on the bad side of the amount of injuries? YES
Have the Giants often had "cluster" injuries to one or two positions? YES
But this cannot indicate where the problems lie. If the type of injury was consistent, like multiple knee injuries unlike other teams or multiple head injuries vs. other teams, you might be able to pinpoint something to equipment, field surface, or even training and conditioning. But when the injuries seem to have no correlation to one another, one conclusion could be bad luck.
I spent many years in the area of the training room and have seen many studies discussing injuries and the prevention of them, but the general consensus is that injuries are more of a matter of luck than negligence. We also tend to look at things in a vacuum. There are teams that also have injury issues. The Jags had the WR corp nearly wiped out for a portion of the past two years and their first round pick is done for the year. Hard to say that is anything but poor luck.
The giants spent most of the 80's and 90's as one of the healthiest teams in the league (while having a pretty shitty playing surface) and have spent the majority of the past 20 years below average with an improved playing surface.
I hate to cop out and say it is bad luck, but that's probably closer to the truth than negligence or poor strength and conditioning.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
Yes, I'd take Guy Whimper over the guys they're going to trot out there now. Whimper's a journeyman but he's been in the league for a while and done an adequate job.
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
Well go ahead. Tell us what is happening.
I want the truth!
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
OK, what do you think is going on? Do you think guys are trying to get hurt? Or that guys aren't stretching properly? Maybe there's something in the cafeteria meat loaf or friday's Pizza...
Nothing is going on. Guys are just getting hurt. There's a fine line between the good teams and bad teams and it's defined in part by luck. No one wants to say that though. The GM is either brilliant or fucking stupid if you believe the masses.
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there needs to be some evaluation of why this keeps happening
I am so sick of
"it just happens, it's just bad luck, you can't prevent it"
BULLSHIT....there's something going on here....something needs to change
Well go ahead. Tell us what is happening.
I have no idea, but the percentage at which the Giants suffer injuries should be something that's looked into....This can't all just be bad luck...is it the workout regimen....are they doing any supplements that could be the cause? Is the water at the training facility laced with some unknown chemical that makes tendons and muscle structures weak? Crazy, I know, but I'd hate to find something out 5 years from now that explains what the Giants led the NFL in injuries for 7 years straight?
Am I being reasonable??? Hell no...Right now I feel like Clark Griswold freaking out on his way to Wally World when he swears his family will have so much fuc king fun that they'll be whistling zippety-doo-dah outta their assholes.....NO NO NO, not another injury to a key pleayer...NONONONONONOoooooooooooooooooo.........
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Only we have players go down with serious injuries in late May
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
That was beautiful...hahaha...all you can do is laugh man....
It's May and the error has already appeared. Now they're one mishap from a disaster on the OL.
This front office lol. What a joke.
but they always add multiple offensive linemen each offseason. I wanted them to draft more than one with the top four picks (of course, they traded one). You know talented depth is different than multiple, mediocre bodies and considering it depth.
Did they sign anyone who would realistically start over Jerry? Also, how likely is it that we can sign someone else now that the draft comp phase is done?
But one of them is Marshall Newhouse, sooooooo.....
It is an allocation of resources. You fill needs through free agency and the draft
Flowers, LT
?, LG
Richman, C
Schwarz, RG
Pugh, RT
Can Bobby Hart step in right away?
I think Newhouse will start out as the LT but I think Pugh will be starting week one unless Flowers really surprises.
Flowers, LT
?, LG
Richman, C
Schwarz, RG
Pugh, RT
Can Bobby Hart step in right away?
Harry Richman...and probably dead - ( New Window )
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they actually added four OLs this offseason.
but they always add multiple offensive linemen each offseason. I wanted them to draft more than one with the top four picks (of course, they traded one). You know talented depth is different than multiple, mediocre bodies and considering it depth.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
This front office lol. What a joke.
Barksdale is a terrible pass protector. You guys make him out to be Kareem McKenzie.
It is an allocation of resources. You fill needs through free agency and the draft
So make sense for us. Who is the LT?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Great, all I would do is replace "entertainment" with "protection" and you have the creative contribution of the day.
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awesome.
This front office lol. What a joke.
Barksdale is a terrible pass protector. You guys make him out to be Kareem McKenzie.
I'm just saying, our LT just went down and the first name I thought of was Barksdale yet the guy literally just signed with the Chargers. 24 hours could have been the difference.
Jesus Richburg - ( New Window )
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Son, we live in a world that has QBs, and those QBs have to be guarded by men with buns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Richburg?
I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Beatty, and you curse the weight room. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Beatty's injury, while tragic, probably saved Eli.
And Jerry's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Eli. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Jerry on that line, you need Jerry on that line.
We use words like holding, sack, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent blocking something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very entertainment that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Great, all I would do is replace "entertainment" with "protection" and you have the creative contribution of the day.
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
1) Sample Size
2) Calibre of player injured
When it all boils down, it is a very small sample size to take 2-3 years worth of injury data and try to draw conclusions.
Have the Giants been on the bad side of the amount of injuries? YES
Have the Giants often had "cluster" injuries to one or two positions? YES
But this cannot indicate where the problems lie. If the type of injury was consistent, like multiple knee injuries unlike other teams or multiple head injuries vs. other teams, you might be able to pinpoint something to equipment, field surface, or even training and conditioning. But when the injuries seem to have no correlation to one another, one conclusion could be bad luck.
I spent many years in the area of the training room and have seen many studies discussing injuries and the prevention of them, but the general consensus is that injuries are more of a matter of luck than negligence. We also tend to look at things in a vacuum. There are teams that also have injury issues. The Jags had the WR corp nearly wiped out for a portion of the past two years and their first round pick is done for the year. Hard to say that is anything but poor luck.
The giants spent most of the 80's and 90's as one of the healthiest teams in the league (while having a pretty shitty playing surface) and have spent the majority of the past 20 years below average with an improved playing surface.
I hate to cop out and say it is bad luck, but that's probably closer to the truth than negligence or poor strength and conditioning.
Charles Brown 2.0, here we come.
Right, and that's the problem. Marshall Newhouse is awful, just like Charles Brown was awful and John Jerry is awful.
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"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
The bottom line is that this stuff happens year in and year out, a simple 7th round pick could have provided amazing insurance. So frustrating.
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In comment 12294789 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12294760 Giants2012 said:
"Talented depth" is something of an oxymoron. Depth players are usually less talented than starters - that's why they're sitting on the bench and not starting.
When your OL has been a disaster for years and everybody is begging you to improve it, drafting one player at the position doesn't qualify as an oxymoron as much as it qualifies for moronic. This team used to have depth of much better quality than today.
Besides Kevin Boothe, name the quality depth O-Linemen we used to have? Guy Whimper? Adam Koets? Jim Cordle?
Yes, I'd take Guy Whimper over the guys they're going to trot out there now. Whimper's a journeyman but he's been in the league for a while and done an adequate job.
Grey Ruegamer was a solid veteran depth guy too.
Blasphemy! Unnecessary, unfeeling, uncouth, undesirable,
etc., etc., etc.
PISS OFF!