@TomRock_Newsday: Am told Will Beatty just went in for surgery on torn pec at HSS. Recovery said to be 5 months. That's back on the field around November.
And maybe, just maybe, we'll be pleasantly surprised by some of our other young O-Linemen - Donnelly, Bamiro, Hart, Jones - or maybe even someone like Mosley will finally live up to his potential. Who knows?
Nothing is over...certainly not on May 20.
And fuck all you whiny bastards getting off on this shit.
"We spent so much time last off-season addressing that and talking about how we are going to fix that going forward. We made adjustments to what was being done in the weight room. We had the GPS tracking system," Mara said. "For some reason, here we are again leading the league in that category.
"We cut down the number of soft-tissue injuries and then, all of a sudden, we get all these broken bones and torn tendons and torn biceps. I just don't have an answer for that right now. Obviously we will spend a lot of time on it this off-season, talking about that and looking at ways that we can improve upon that."
Wild animal attacks. While Nolan Ryan was playing for the Astros in 1985, a coyote bit him on the hand and forced him to miss a start; no word on whether any Acme products were involved. Former Norwegian soccer star Svein Grondalen was absent from an international match in the late-1970s because an angry moose ran into him while he was jogging. We suspect the moose was a fan of Brazil and vuvuzelas.
Eating. The Homer Simpson Award for injuries sustained while eating donuts goes to former National League MVP Kevin Mitchell, who chipped a tooth on a frozen donut in 1990 (dude, that's what microwaves are for). He had to have a root canal and ended up on the DL. Montreal Expo infielder Bret Barberie got chili pepper juice in his eye and missed a game. Hockey player Dustin Penner of the Los Angeles Kings takes the (pan)cake, though, wrenching his back last year while leaning over to eat a stack of flapjacks. His back spasm caused him to miss one game.
Sneezing. Cubs outfielder Sammy Sosa got back spasms from sneezing in 2004 and was never the same player again (he even turned white after he retired). Pitcher Mat Latos tried to learn from Sosa's example on the dangers of the sneeze, attempting to suppress the one he felt coming in July 2010. Latos strained muscles in his left side and wound up on the DL anyway.
Vomiting. Most of us feel better after we throw up, but not baseball’s Kevin Mitchell (yes, the same Mitchell from the earlier item) and Josh Outman. Both strained rib muscles while puking and had to be placed on the DL. Mitchell’s injury occurred in 1992, while Outman’s happened in April 2012.
Playing video games. NBA star Lionel Simmons missed several games of the 1991 season from tendonitis suffered while playing his Nintendo GameBoy. Detroit pitcher Joel Zumaya may have been a Guitar Hero, which cost him a chance to be a baseball hero in the 2006 ALCS. He missed three games due to injuries to his elbow and forearm due to aggressive strumming on his PlayStation 2. Apparently he was attempting to play Buckethead on advanced.
Chopping wood – in the locker room. When the Jacksonville Jaguars started 0-3 in 2003, coach Jack Del Rio put an axe and a stump of wood in the locker room and implored his team to “keep chopping wood.” It turns out that his players were still better at football than lumberjacking. Punter Chris Hanson took aim at the stump, but whacked his non-kicking foot instead and missed the rest of the season. Del Rio finally got the axe himself, a few years too late for Hanson.
Participating in the coin toss. Call this one the Anton Chigurh Award for career-ending coin toss. Offensive tackle Turk Edwards’ career was good enough to make the Hall of Fame, but it might have been better if he hadn’t been the Washington Redskins’ captain in 1940. Edwards called the coin toss and shook hands with Giants’ captain Mel Hein, but when he turned toward the sideline, his cleat caught in the turf and his knee buckled. He never played again.
Yelling at teammates. Words hurt, especially when you scream them with such force that you dislocate your jaw, as Manchester United goalie Alex Stepney did in 1975. If you're a python swallowing a deer, a dislocated jaw is an advantage. Otherwise, not so much.
Sleeping. All sorts of potential dangers await the slumbering athlete. Former baseball player Glenallen Hill, an arachnophobe, had a nightmare in 1990 involving spiders and consequently tumbled down the stars and slammed into a glass table. He sustained multiple cuts and required a stay on the disabled list. Thank God he steered clear of the bed pillows, or it might have been worse: former MLB pitcher Terry Mulholland scratched his eye on a loose feather in 2005, and Detroit catcher Brandon Inge went on the DL a few years later (2008) when he pulled an oblique while adjusting a pillow. Former Tigers pitcher Denny McLain once awoke from his slumber with two dislocated toes in 1967. Then, there’s "sleeping." Milan AC midfielder Kevin Prince Boateng earlier this year had a muscular lesion on his left thigh. His model girlfriend attributed it to “too much sex.”
Ironing shirts. This possible injury is shrouded in mystery. As legend has it, former Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz burned himself back in 1990 while ironing his shirt. But that’s not the weird part. The story goes that Smoltz was wearing the shirt when he decided to iron it and not surprisingly burnt himself. Smoltz, of course, denies that it ever happened. And he’s probably telling the truth. Probably.
Phone book attack. In 1994, 28-year-old knuckleballer Steve Sparks missed out on a chance to make his first big-league roster when he dislocated his left (non-throwing) shoulder during spring training in Chandler, Ariz., with the Milwaukee Brewers. He tried to rip a phone book while imitating a group of motivational speakers named "Radical Reality" who had visited the team.
A team that constantly cries about needing to get back to running the ball, that stuck with the run despite it being a mess most of last year, depending on him as first back-up up and now likely an entrenched starter remains completely nonsensical.
"We spent so much time last off-season addressing that and talking about how we are going to fix that going forward. We made adjustments to what was being done in the weight room. We had the GPS tracking system," Mara said. "For some reason, here we are again leading the league in that category.
"We cut down the number of soft-tissue injuries and then, all of a sudden, we get all these broken bones and torn tendons and torn biceps. I just don't have an answer for that right now. Obviously we will spend a lot of time on it this off-season, talking about that and looking at ways that we can improve upon that."
That is the statement I took from that entire press conference. Same S&C guys around the team though.
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Will Beatty isn't even in the top half of NFL starters at his position. It's not like they lost a star player. In the meantime, the Giants will probably move Pugh to left tackle. Forget his short arms, he is the better choice at because at least he's athletic enough to play the position with his feet and has at taken a snap in the NFL. Flowers at this point is a right tackle and he needs a ton of work in pass protection. Bad feet and poor technique are FAR worse than short arms. This makes Jerry the swing tackle and opens a roster spot for Hart.
"We spent so much time last off-season addressing that and talking about how we are going to fix that going forward. We made adjustments to what was being done in the weight room. We had the GPS tracking system," Mara said. "For some reason, here we are again leading the league in that category.
"We cut down the number of soft-tissue injuries and then, all of a sudden, we get all these broken bones and torn tendons and torn biceps. I just don't have an answer for that right now. Obviously we will spend a lot of time on it this off-season, talking about that and looking at ways that we can improve upon that."
That is the statement I took from that entire press conference. Same S&C guys around the team though.
How can you be so heartless? If the Giants fire those guys, where will there children go to school next year? You have to worry about those things when subscribing to the Wellington Mara philosophy.
i differ from most of these posts i'm reading here are I think Flowers will be OK at LT right away. he's the #9 overall pick: he will not have to be "groomed" as much as people think. he's a ball player
happens it is a crazy world. But to lose the starting LT on a line that is not setting the world on fire to begin with sucks.
Not to mention it is in the off season in the weight room. Ridiculous. Obviously nothing is over, and his replacement may prove to be even better. But regarding injuries this team seems to be snakebit
That people go to the default blame the strength and conditioning coaches for EVERY injury this team has had over the past few years. Sure they deserve blame for SOME of the injuries but sometimes things just happen whether we like it or not. Was it the S&C coaches fault for Beason, Schwartz, ODB, Thurmond, Prince, etc etc. I mean this injury sucks but c'mon now. Are we just gonna put everyone in bubble wrap until September. Before we jump to conclusions, do we even know what he was doing was any different than how he has worked out since he was drafted. Maybe this was just a freak accident, healthy people injure themselves working out from time to time.
the league in injuries again, before training camp EVEN STARTS.
Five months? That's October folks. He also won't be in any shape to do anything until December at the earliest. He won't help us unless we make the playoffs IMO.
As far as replacements are concerned, it's probably Pugh. Flowers isn't ready to start at LT, and the only other options are Newhouse and Jerry.
Wow.
Jerry is not a tackle. Newhouse is the guy there. Â
And Beatty, last year, absolutely was top half of the league. He had a generally good year and bounced back hugely from his dreadful 2013. Decent in run blocking, solid in pass pro.
The team basically lost their easily best (in terms of proven ability) OL today. There's no way around how much it stinks, especially now when either shit like Jerry or Newhouse is definitely going to be starting.
Many of you couldn't wait to run Will Beatty out of town...probably the same ones bemoaning the fact that he's now on the shelf for five or six months.
You got your wish, Beatty's done, now choke on it.
Flowers is going to get a long look at LT, he's the franchise talent, give him every chance to earn the gig. If Pugh is better, so be it, it figures to be temporary.
Many of you couldn't wait to run Will Beatty out of town...probably the same ones bemoaning the fact that he's now on the shelf for five or six months.
You got your wish, Beatty's done, now choke on it.
You're a Giants fan, too. So, you're choking on it just as much as anyone else.
with a Q-tip, when Ken Griffey Sr. accidently bumped into his arm while he was cleaning his ear.
Jeremy Affeldt sustained a season-ending injury when he accidently sliced his hand open while using a knife to separate frozen hamburgers. He also sprained his MCL once while picking up his son.
Wade Boggs seriously bruised his ribs when he lost his balance and fell while taking off his cowboy boots.
Sammy Sosa hurt his back while sneezing.
Not saying that Newhouse is the long term answer…. Â
The Giants have a history of having to force young players to learn on the fly on the offensive line. We saw it with Pugh when he was forced in to play right tackle when Diehl got hurt. Richberg was forced into action when Schwartz got hurt. Part of me thinks the Giants might want to go the safe route and shift Pugh over there. But I wouldn't at all be shocked to see the Giants coach him up and get him over at left tackle now and see how he does in the pre-season. If he is struggling by around Game 3 and in practice, the Giants might decide to pull the plug on the experiment and put a veteran there and not risk exposing Eli. For all the weapons that Eli will have this year, and a year experience in the McAdoo system, nothing works if he's getting rushed and hit every play.
Many of you couldn't wait to run Will Beatty out of town...probably the same ones bemoaning the fact that he's now on the shelf for five or six months.
You got your wish, Beatty's done, now choke on it.
You're a Giants fan, too. So, you're choking on it just as much as anyone else.
No, I'm not. I see every kick as a boost, just as I did in 2011.
way this is a long term blow is if Tom and Jerry trot out Newhouse or Jerry, which is exactly what I expect them to do. Of course this kills our oline depth.
Eli all the Giants need to do is put a functioning line in front of him with NFL caliber players that can do the job in each position. There is no need for a world beating line, just a competent one.
Beatty was certainly no All-pro, but he displayed the ability to hold the the fort at LT and do his job at the NFL level. Now there is almost no one on this line who has done that.
Schwartz has the most experience but he played barely two games last year and who knows what will happen going forward. Pugh would be the veteran now with a whopping two years under his belt and sucked last year. Richburg looks good to me so far but has zero pro-starting experience at Center and Flowers is a rookie.
Then there is Jerry, who sucks, and a guy from the CFL, who knows what the deal will be with him. To lose Beatty means there is not one spot on the line locked in with a legitimate pro starter with experience.
way this is a long term blow is if Tom and Jerry trot out Newhouse or Jerry, which is exactly what I expect them to do. Of course this kills our oline depth.
Does nothing to the OL depth. If you don't have a single back-up you can trust as a starter, you have no depth. The Giants had no depth before this injury and still have none after it. So the depth is left unaffected by this.
Nothing is over...certainly not on May 20.
And fuck all you whiny bastards getting off on this shit.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
"We cut down the number of soft-tissue injuries and then, all of a sudden, we get all these broken bones and torn tendons and torn biceps. I just don't have an answer for that right now. Obviously we will spend a lot of time on it this off-season, talking about that and looking at ways that we can improve upon that."
Its a sad indictment of Reese if that the meager salary they offered Jerry is indicative of their views of his talent.
Eating. The Homer Simpson Award for injuries sustained while eating donuts goes to former National League MVP Kevin Mitchell, who chipped a tooth on a frozen donut in 1990 (dude, that's what microwaves are for). He had to have a root canal and ended up on the DL. Montreal Expo infielder Bret Barberie got chili pepper juice in his eye and missed a game. Hockey player Dustin Penner of the Los Angeles Kings takes the (pan)cake, though, wrenching his back last year while leaning over to eat a stack of flapjacks. His back spasm caused him to miss one game.
Sneezing. Cubs outfielder Sammy Sosa got back spasms from sneezing in 2004 and was never the same player again (he even turned white after he retired). Pitcher Mat Latos tried to learn from Sosa's example on the dangers of the sneeze, attempting to suppress the one he felt coming in July 2010. Latos strained muscles in his left side and wound up on the DL anyway.
Vomiting. Most of us feel better after we throw up, but not baseball’s Kevin Mitchell (yes, the same Mitchell from the earlier item) and Josh Outman. Both strained rib muscles while puking and had to be placed on the DL. Mitchell’s injury occurred in 1992, while Outman’s happened in April 2012.
Playing video games. NBA star Lionel Simmons missed several games of the 1991 season from tendonitis suffered while playing his Nintendo GameBoy. Detroit pitcher Joel Zumaya may have been a Guitar Hero, which cost him a chance to be a baseball hero in the 2006 ALCS. He missed three games due to injuries to his elbow and forearm due to aggressive strumming on his PlayStation 2. Apparently he was attempting to play Buckethead on advanced.
Chopping wood – in the locker room. When the Jacksonville Jaguars started 0-3 in 2003, coach Jack Del Rio put an axe and a stump of wood in the locker room and implored his team to “keep chopping wood.” It turns out that his players were still better at football than lumberjacking. Punter Chris Hanson took aim at the stump, but whacked his non-kicking foot instead and missed the rest of the season. Del Rio finally got the axe himself, a few years too late for Hanson.
Participating in the coin toss. Call this one the Anton Chigurh Award for career-ending coin toss. Offensive tackle Turk Edwards’ career was good enough to make the Hall of Fame, but it might have been better if he hadn’t been the Washington Redskins’ captain in 1940. Edwards called the coin toss and shook hands with Giants’ captain Mel Hein, but when he turned toward the sideline, his cleat caught in the turf and his knee buckled. He never played again.
Yelling at teammates. Words hurt, especially when you scream them with such force that you dislocate your jaw, as Manchester United goalie Alex Stepney did in 1975. If you're a python swallowing a deer, a dislocated jaw is an advantage. Otherwise, not so much.
Sleeping. All sorts of potential dangers await the slumbering athlete. Former baseball player Glenallen Hill, an arachnophobe, had a nightmare in 1990 involving spiders and consequently tumbled down the stars and slammed into a glass table. He sustained multiple cuts and required a stay on the disabled list. Thank God he steered clear of the bed pillows, or it might have been worse: former MLB pitcher Terry Mulholland scratched his eye on a loose feather in 2005, and Detroit catcher Brandon Inge went on the DL a few years later (2008) when he pulled an oblique while adjusting a pillow. Former Tigers pitcher Denny McLain once awoke from his slumber with two dislocated toes in 1967. Then, there’s "sleeping." Milan AC midfielder Kevin Prince Boateng earlier this year had a muscular lesion on his left thigh. His model girlfriend attributed it to “too much sex.”
Ironing shirts. This possible injury is shrouded in mystery. As legend has it, former Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz burned himself back in 1990 while ironing his shirt. But that’s not the weird part. The story goes that Smoltz was wearing the shirt when he decided to iron it and not surprisingly burnt himself. Smoltz, of course, denies that it ever happened. And he’s probably telling the truth. Probably.
Phone book attack. In 1994, 28-year-old knuckleballer Steve Sparks missed out on a chance to make his first big-league roster when he dislocated his left (non-throwing) shoulder during spring training in Chandler, Ariz., with the Milwaukee Brewers. He tried to rip a phone book while imitating a group of motivational speakers named "Radical Reality" who had visited the team.
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"We cut down the number of soft-tissue injuries and then, all of a sudden, we get all these broken bones and torn tendons and torn biceps. I just don't have an answer for that right now. Obviously we will spend a lot of time on it this off-season, talking about that and looking at ways that we can improve upon that."
That is the statement I took from that entire press conference. Same S&C guys around the team though.
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"We spent so much time last off-season addressing that and talking about how we are going to fix that going forward. We made adjustments to what was being done in the weight room. We had the GPS tracking system," Mara said. "For some reason, here we are again leading the league in that category.
"We cut down the number of soft-tissue injuries and then, all of a sudden, we get all these broken bones and torn tendons and torn biceps. I just don't have an answer for that right now. Obviously we will spend a lot of time on it this off-season, talking about that and looking at ways that we can improve upon that."
That is the statement I took from that entire press conference. Same S&C guys around the team though.
How can you be so heartless? If the Giants fire those guys, where will there children go to school next year? You have to worry about those things when subscribing to the Wellington Mara philosophy.
Not to mention it is in the off season in the weight room. Ridiculous. Obviously nothing is over, and his replacement may prove to be even better. But regarding injuries this team seems to be snakebit
Five months? That's October folks. He also won't be in any shape to do anything until December at the earliest. He won't help us unless we make the playoffs IMO.
As far as replacements are concerned, it's probably Pugh. Flowers isn't ready to start at LT, and the only other options are Newhouse and Jerry.
Wow.
The team basically lost their easily best (in terms of proven ability) OL today. There's no way around how much it stinks, especially now when either shit like Jerry or Newhouse is definitely going to be starting.
You got your wish, Beatty's done, now choke on it.
LG - Pugh
C- Richburg
RG - Schwartz
RT- Flowers
Peace out BBI.
You got your wish, Beatty's done, now choke on it.
You're a Giants fan, too. So, you're choking on it just as much as anyone else.
Hopefully Flowers is the real deal and can lock down a starting job at RT as a rookie
Jeremy Affeldt sustained a season-ending injury when he accidently sliced his hand open while using a knife to separate frozen hamburgers. He also sprained his MCL once while picking up his son.
Wade Boggs seriously bruised his ribs when he lost his balance and fell while taking off his cowboy boots.
Sammy Sosa hurt his back while sneezing.
LG - Pugh
C- Richburg
RG - Schwartz
RT- Flowers
Now does Pugh stay at RT with Flowers move to LT is the question? With a hole still at Guard.
LG - Pugh
C- Richburg
RG - Schwartz
RT- Flowers
Just because someone started some games at one point does not mean he's not terrible and possibly not even NFL quality.
We just learned this with Brown last year and all his vaunted Saints starts.
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Many of you couldn't wait to run Will Beatty out of town...probably the same ones bemoaning the fact that he's now on the shelf for five or six months.
You got your wish, Beatty's done, now choke on it.
You're a Giants fan, too. So, you're choking on it just as much as anyone else.
No, I'm not. I see every kick as a boost, just as I did in 2011.
Beatty was certainly no All-pro, but he displayed the ability to hold the the fort at LT and do his job at the NFL level. Now there is almost no one on this line who has done that.
Schwartz has the most experience but he played barely two games last year and who knows what will happen going forward. Pugh would be the veteran now with a whopping two years under his belt and sucked last year. Richburg looks good to me so far but has zero pro-starting experience at Center and Flowers is a rookie.
Then there is Jerry, who sucks, and a guy from the CFL, who knows what the deal will be with him. To lose Beatty means there is not one spot on the line locked in with a legitimate pro starter with experience.
So many question marks. Not good at all.