@TomRock_Newsday: Am told Will Beatty just went in for surgery on torn pec at HSS. Recovery said to be 5 months. That's back on the field around November.
in June 1 cuts?
Only 11 days away; yet another countdown.
You're kidding, right? who do you think would be realeased that could help this team at LT? Even at Guard? If there's no confidence in the guys we have, they might just have to bite the bullet and make a deal with some team possibly willing to part with some solid depth.
this might be a blessing in disguise if they had real intentions to replace Beatty.
But short-term, our depth is very shaky again.
My guess is that this very likely ends Beatty's career w the Giants unless he restructures and takes a big pay cut. He will be 31 coming off a year off of football. His bonus hit if he refuses is much less of a factor. He's never been more than a JAG at best even before this.
Better. Every year he's been the starting LT the running game sucked. Including the last SuperBowl run when he got injured. The minute DD went to LT that year was when Run game improved. Not a coincidence IMO
Good thing we signed insurance in Joe Barksdale...
he will never be back. He gave us a few good years and we over paid him for those. Another Poor pick by Reese, who is untouchable, and the beat goes on and on. Sorry if I offended anyone but the record speaks for itself. This GM and his staff have buried us these last 10 years with their personnel selections
There's one record that certainly does speak for itself - yours.
RE: Jake Long is still rehabbing, but he's apparently close
I would absolutely kick the tires on him. 1000%, even if he plays RT.
I don't see how they don't, to be honest. These are the types of moves you hate but really, what else can they do? They can't roll with what they've got. I mean, I guess they can, but there's not even a word in the English language that can illustrate the uneasiness that would bring...
RE: RE: Jake Long is still rehabbing, but he's apparently close
I would absolutely kick the tires on him. 1000%, even if he plays RT.
I don't see how they don't, to be honest. These are the types of moves you hate but really, what else can they do? They can't roll with what they've got. I mean, I guess they can, but there's not even a word in the English language that can illustrate the uneasiness that would bring...
I think the word you're looking for is "bleh"
RE: RE: RE: Jake Long is still rehabbing, but he's apparently close
I would absolutely kick the tires on him. 1000%, even if he plays RT.
I don't see how they don't, to be honest. These are the types of moves you hate but really, what else can they do? They can't roll with what they've got. I mean, I guess they can, but there's not even a word in the English language that can illustrate the uneasiness that would bring...
I think the word you're looking for is "bleh"
Yeah, I don't even think that does it. Add a few more H's, maybe a dry heave or two. Then we're getting close.
Football player injured while lifting.................NO but a
he will never be back. He gave us a few good years and we over paid him for those. Another Poor pick by Reese, who is untouchable, and the beat goes on and on. Sorry if I offended anyone but the record speaks for itself. This GM and his staff have buried us these last 10 years with their personnel selections
Says the moron who thinks Reese was a "Rooney Rule" hire.
this might be a blessing in disguise if they had real intentions to replace Beatty.
But short-term, our depth is very shaky again.
Depth? Our starters are shaky. No proven LT. A C who was shaky at G last year. At one G we have a guy who missed all of last season and at the other we probably have John Jerry.
No way anyone can feel confident about this line going into the season. Maybe it will come together but you'd be crazy to put money on it and that's before any more injuries.
belief bad. His season may already be over. And it's not even Memorial Day. Is any of this on the S&C coaches? After what we the projected five starters, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, and Flowers, we have a bunch of JAGs.
Until proven otherwise, I have zero confidence in Newhouse, Jerry, Mosley, or Herman. Hart is a rookie seventh round pick that everyone admits needs to play guard in the NFL.
RE: Football player injured while lifting.................NO but a
Jumbo was drafted to play LT. Flowers was drafted to be our RT for the next decade.
No Flowers was drafted to be our LT of the future. It is true that he is going to start out at RT but in a year or two he will likely shift over to LT.
Jumbo was drafted to play LT. Flowers was drafted to be our RT for the next decade.
actually Eric Moore was drafted in the first to play LT and Elliott in the second to play RT. Turned out Moore wasn't a good tackle and Roberts was better at Guard also so Elliott ended up at LT and the rest is history.
One of Pugh or Flowers will be on the left, while the other more than likely mans the right side next to Schwartz. One of Jerry, Mosley, Jones, or Hart need to step up big time and earn the job opposite Schwartz.
hurt us in run blocking. Pass blocking I am not worried about. This new system we will get the ball out fast. We can also move the pocket with spring out right, or roll out right. So I am not worried about the pass blocking aspect. Run blocking is where i hope the OL would improve as a unit and do some things.
with half of their oline injured? They must have had better depth. I just do not have any confidence in the candidates due to all the uncertainty. I just hope somebody can step up and fill that void. It's a canyon right now!
Did the Tear happen at the beginning of lifting a set or at the end?
was beatty lifting free weights or did he do this with a bench press?
where was the weight coach. If the tear happened at the end of the set..the conditioning coach has to answer some questions here.
I used to be able to bench 305 (2 sets of 10) with free weights, I am wondering if his hands were properly spaced on the lift, if he was doing free weights.
Picking up right where we left off last year with these fucking injuries. Let's see if we can lead the NFL with the most injuries for the third season in a row.. Whose next????
Another soft tissue injury. Another torn pec for the Giants
I think this happens way too often for our team. Once again, it makes me wonder WTF is going on with our strength and conditioning program.
Heard an interview with Bill Cowher last year. He said that he gave strict instructions to the trainers that under no circumstances would he accept injuries that occur during the training process.
"We spent so much time last off-season addressing that and talking about how we are going to fix that going forward. We made adjustments to what was being done in the weight room. We had the GPS tracking system," Mara said. "For some reason, here we are again leading the league in that category.
"We cut down the number of soft-tissue injuries and then, all of a sudden, we get all these broken bones and torn tendons and torn biceps. I just don't have an answer for that right now. Obviously we will spend a lot of time on it this off-season, talking about that and looking at ways that we can improve upon that."
That is the statement I took from that entire press conference. Same S&C guys around the team though.
How can you be so heartless? If the Giants fire those guys, where will there children go to school next year? You have to worry about those things when subscribing to the Wellington Mara philosophy.
We were never going to win with Will Beatty at LT. Beatty has no grit. I saw him abused in Carolina in 2013. I mean ABUSED. You can't have a player with no toughness in such a premium position. Our coaches have a terrible weakness of going with mediocre to awful experience over mistakes and upside. I will take the latter any day. Put Flowers in there. That is what he is supposed to be! If not him, finally give Pugh a chance to play his natural position. Bring in another young talent to compete. Give the kid from GB a shot. Once again, we weren't going to win with Beatty. He still can serve as depth when he gets off PUP. Let's go for it. This team is trying to win a championship.
The guy started a full season for GB when they went 15-1, and played 13 games the previous one. Does anyone know why he lost his job and also what happened with the Bengals? At least we know he's held up against some top DE's over the years.
RE: Forget Beatty
BillT : 6:01 pm : link : reply
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he will never be back. He gave us a few good years and we over paid him for those. Another Poor pick by Reese, who is untouchable, and the beat goes on and on. Sorry if I offended anyone but the record speaks for itself. This GM and his staff have buried us these last 10 years with their personnel selections
Yeah, we should give those two Super Bowl trophies back .
Unfortunately for Beatty, this season could have saved him for next season......depending on how he played, would determine if the status quo remained, or he would have to accept a restructure, or he would be outright cut...
This OL had to remain injury free, or maybe have minor injuries where they miss a game or two.....to lose Beatty before the season starts, is a huge blow......and it shows you how fragile this line is......While not a great LT, he was the one, for lack of a better term, "constant" in this line......with him out now, there is a possibility of 5 new starters in the positions of the line, compared to last year......how in the world do you gel a line like that, quickly?
Reese is not responsible for injuries.....he is responsible for creating a good OL and having adequate backups .....the fact is, it could be Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz or Flowers that could go down, and there is not presently, an adequate backup to replace either one of those guys......and this goes back to 2011, when the OL was ignored or not stressed as a huge problem....you have a franchise qb....you protect him first, and give him time to hit good, not great receivers.........you create a line that can open holes, that an average back can run through......instead, Reese put the cart before the horse many times......
Yes, this team, won two SB's....with the right players and moves, it could possibly have won more, and not have missed the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years....
It's a shame we have not concentrated on putting a line in front of Eli.....things could have been a lot different....
Flowers is the RT and we're still weak inside at Guard. We all better hope the CFL kid is the goods or our running game is fucked yet again. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They sure as hell didn't waste any time getting him into the OR.
Only 11 days away; yet another countdown.
You're kidding, right? who do you think would be realeased that could help this team at LT? Even at Guard? If there's no confidence in the guys we have, they might just have to bite the bullet and make a deal with some team possibly willing to part with some solid depth.
Probably not much, but they could make it if they really want to though. There's a guy named Eli who could benefit be a new contract and the team too.
If Harrison, ever becomes a good guard for the Jets, I will absolutely flip out....
I believe that's how Dan Blackburn injured himself with the Rangers. Can't think of another athlete.
But short-term, our depth is very shaky again.
My guess is that this very likely ends Beatty's career w the Giants unless he restructures and takes a big pay cut. He will be 31 coming off a year off of football. His bonus hit if he refuses is much less of a factor. He's never been more than a JAG at best even before this.
I guess Pugh is staying at OT
There's one record that certainly does speak for itself - yours.
I don't see how they don't, to be honest. These are the types of moves you hate but really, what else can they do? They can't roll with what they've got. I mean, I guess they can, but there's not even a word in the English language that can illustrate the uneasiness that would bring...
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I would absolutely kick the tires on him. 1000%, even if he plays RT.
I don't see how they don't, to be honest. These are the types of moves you hate but really, what else can they do? They can't roll with what they've got. I mean, I guess they can, but there's not even a word in the English language that can illustrate the uneasiness that would bring...
I think the word you're looking for is "bleh"
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I would absolutely kick the tires on him. 1000%, even if he plays RT.
I don't see how they don't, to be honest. These are the types of moves you hate but really, what else can they do? They can't roll with what they've got. I mean, I guess they can, but there's not even a word in the English language that can illustrate the uneasiness that would bring...
I think the word you're looking for is "bleh"
Yeah, I don't even think that does it. Add a few more H's, maybe a dry heave or two. Then we're getting close.
Says the moron who thinks Reese was a "Rooney Rule" hire.
this might be a blessing in disguise if they had real intentions to replace Beatty.
But short-term, our depth is very shaky again.
Depth? Our starters are shaky. No proven LT. A C who was shaky at G last year. At one G we have a guy who missed all of last season and at the other we probably have John Jerry.
No way anyone can feel confident about this line going into the season. Maybe it will come together but you'd be crazy to put money on it and that's before any more injuries.
Until proven otherwise, I have zero confidence in Newhouse, Jerry, Mosley, or Herman. Hart is a rookie seventh round pick that everyone admits needs to play guard in the NFL.
Mattingly didn't hurt himself lifting weights.
Also thinking this gives Schwartz and Flowers a shot at ROT. Loser moves to guard.
Wow. Blows. Hopefully we'll hear Tyron Smith is out for the year due to personal reasons.
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Elliott start at left tackle in his rookie year?
Jumbo was drafted to play LT. Flowers was drafted to be our RT for the next decade.
No Flowers was drafted to be our LT of the future. It is true that he is going to start out at RT but in a year or two he will likely shift over to LT.
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Elliott start at left tackle in his rookie year?
Jumbo was drafted to play LT. Flowers was drafted to be our RT for the next decade.
...Fu**ing great!
not too shabby, not too old, only schwartz being old, and he REALLY owes the league a respectable year.
was beatty lifting free weights or did he do this with a bench press?
where was the weight coach. If the tear happened at the end of the set..the conditioning coach has to answer some questions here.
I used to be able to bench 305 (2 sets of 10) with free weights, I am wondering if his hands were properly spaced on the lift, if he was doing free weights.
Heard an interview with Bill Cowher last year. He said that he gave strict instructions to the trainers that under no circumstances would he accept injuries that occur during the training process.
Brian Stork played very well last season
Added two more this year including huge Tre Jackson from Fla State
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In comment 12294748 Les in TO said:
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"We spent so much time last off-season addressing that and talking about how we are going to fix that going forward. We made adjustments to what was being done in the weight room. We had the GPS tracking system," Mara said. "For some reason, here we are again leading the league in that category.
"We cut down the number of soft-tissue injuries and then, all of a sudden, we get all these broken bones and torn tendons and torn biceps. I just don't have an answer for that right now. Obviously we will spend a lot of time on it this off-season, talking about that and looking at ways that we can improve upon that."
That is the statement I took from that entire press conference. Same S&C guys around the team though.
How can you be so heartless? If the Giants fire those guys, where will there children go to school next year? You have to worry about those things when subscribing to the Wellington Mara philosophy.
lol. True.
not too shabby, not too old, only schwartz being old, and he REALLY owes the league a respectable year.
This is our best starting line. I would rather put FLowers at LT day 1 and leave Pugh at RT though. I hope we sign Jake Long now.
BillT : 6:01 pm : link : reply
In comment 12295060 TMS said:
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he will never be back. He gave us a few good years and we over paid him for those. Another Poor pick by Reese, who is untouchable, and the beat goes on and on. Sorry if I offended anyone but the record speaks for itself. This GM and his staff have buried us these last 10 years with their personnel selections
Yeah, we should give those two Super Bowl trophies back .
Unfortunately for Beatty, this season could have saved him for next season......depending on how he played, would determine if the status quo remained, or he would have to accept a restructure, or he would be outright cut...
This OL had to remain injury free, or maybe have minor injuries where they miss a game or two.....to lose Beatty before the season starts, is a huge blow......and it shows you how fragile this line is......While not a great LT, he was the one, for lack of a better term, "constant" in this line......with him out now, there is a possibility of 5 new starters in the positions of the line, compared to last year......how in the world do you gel a line like that, quickly?
Reese is not responsible for injuries.....he is responsible for creating a good OL and having adequate backups .....the fact is, it could be Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz or Flowers that could go down, and there is not presently, an adequate backup to replace either one of those guys......and this goes back to 2011, when the OL was ignored or not stressed as a huge problem....you have a franchise qb....you protect him first, and give him time to hit good, not great receivers.........you create a line that can open holes, that an average back can run through......instead, Reese put the cart before the horse many times......
Yes, this team, won two SB's....with the right players and moves, it could possibly have won more, and not have missed the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years....
It's a shame we have not concentrated on putting a line in front of Eli.....things could have been a lot different....