Cardinals
1. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
2. Matt Carpenter (L) 3B
3. Matt Holliday (R) LF
4. Matt Adams (L) 1B
5.Jhonny Peralta (R) SS
6.Yadier Molina (R) C
7. Jason Heyward (L) RF
8. Randal Grichuk (R) CF
9. Carlos Martinez (R) P
Mets
1. Curtis Granderson (L) RF
2. Eric Campbell (R) 3B
3. Lucas Duda (L) 1B
4. Michael Cuddyer (R) LF
5. Daniel Murphy (L) 2B
6. Wilmer Flores (R) SS
7. Juan Lagares (R) CF
8. Kevin Plawecki (R) C
9. Bartolo Colon (R) P
Sounds fair
Sounds like you are a hypocrite. You seriously have mental issues.
Frat boy, good one. Original too.
I'll show up where ever I want. Lol, who you do you think you are. I swear, you claim to be an elder adult yet you have the mental maturity of an 8 year old girl.
Why don't you just take your ball and go home.
And you can continue to tell people to fuck off, call them cunts, wish they get shot in the face, tell them to die...whatever your normal response is for people having a different opinion than yours. Because that's what grownups do, right? Sound good?
Eh, don't really care anyway.
Because they are mets threads and you don't control things. If I want to take part in a mets thread and have a different opinion than someone else, than that is my right. I should have to deal with some grown man's childish outburst because I feel differently. I think it's you that needs the timeout because, clearly, you add nothing but playground bullying to these threads. But go on.
Textbook narcissism
If Matz rolls again tonight, and either Niese or Colon get rocked again next time, I'd think long and hard about getting him into the rotation. The organization's best pitchers should be pitching for the Mets, period.
If Matz rolls again tonight, and either Niese or Colon get rocked again next time, I'd think long and hard about getting him into the rotation. The organization's best pitchers should be pitching for the Mets, period.
Yeah it gets hard to handle and you're right that it's almost as annoying when they're winning as losing (obviously those times are better overall though since winning is more fun). I think everyone's just overly amped up on all sides of the argument because the team has been comatose for so long and there's so much hope in the talent. It's almost like getting a friend a back after they'd moved away years earlier and everyone's having their own emotional reactions, mixed with abnormal expectations - some overly excited thinking everything is perfect, some overly angry at the recent past. The emotion seems to be getting in the way of the reality that baseball is just a long season, no team is perfect (plenty of 100 win teams have not won WS), and this team is pacing to end up exactly where we thought it would - taking a step a forward. Not the leap some hoped for, but progress. Who knows? Maybe there will be more of a leap as the team gets healthy over the season.
To me, what really ruins these threads are the person (people) who feel the need to make obscene, juvenile, personal attacks because they have a different opinion, or a different outlook. Especially when that person makes the comment 8 hours after the thread is dead. That's just someone looking for a fight. I made 5 comments during the game...none of which I thought were bad.
Personally, I like that we have differing views on these discussions. It provokes thoughtful conversation. Calling someone a c*nt because they are frustrated about the team isn't thought provoking at all. Plus, this place would be pretty boring if everyone agreed with each other all the time, lol. Moving on.
Matz needs to be in NY, Syndergaard needs to stay. What we're missing is that big bat, and I can't think of where to get it. We have a lot of role players.
What's frustrating right now - and baffling - is that we're scoring at the same level as the last 3 years despite not having any black holes in our lineup. We've had terrible players (sub .200 hitters) in the lineup for months at a time. The likes of i.davis, tejada, c.young, e.young, d'arnaud (early 2014), quintinilla, duda (before he got good), j.thole, j.bay.
Both Granderson and especially Cuddyer are underperforming but they're not performing nearly as badly as those players did for quite some time. Looking back, our bench players actually performed decently for a number of years, players like justin turner, scott hairston, andrew brown, neiwenhuis, satin, bobby abreu all were decent off the bench options. Right now, our bench is just not doing a damn thing. Kirk this year was a black hole, mayberry has been non-existent, monnell and recker have offered not much, tejada has been ok.
So maybe the answer is trading the gee's and niese's or colon's for serviceable back-ups, role players, bullpen pieces. I really would like someone like Gerardo Parra from the Brewers, or David DeJesus from Tampa Bay.
We don't have a logical representation of what we may be getting once the pitchers/hitters get to the majors. More so with the hitters.
Any chance of moving out of Vegas in the near future?
We don't have a logical representation of what we may be getting once the pitchers/hitters get to the majors. More so with the hitters.
Any chance of moving out of Vegas in the near future?
I hate the fact they are in vegas. Hard to quantify exactly how much it hurts but I think it does impact your ability to judge how ready a guy is (professional scouts or not). There is more guesswork involved when a regular line drive suddenly is a 420 foot homer. They are signed with Vegas through 2016. I wish the Wilpons would just buy an existing team and move them into a solid market but I find it hard to believe they will. Being in the PCL at all is a joke but in LV? Silly.
Randolph had good teams so it's hard to compare, but if you go back to the Bobby V. era I remember many times when the lineup had some real crappy players in key spots, and every one of those teams had terrible outfielders. Jay Payton, Shinjo, Agbayani, Timo, etc. Some of those teams also sucked offensively but they also always won 82+ games.
Randolph had good teams so it's hard to compare, but if you go back to the Bobby V. era I remember many times when the lineup had some real crappy players in key spots, and every one of those teams had terrible outfielders. Jay Payton, Shinjo, Agbayani, Timo, etc. Some of those teams also sucked offensively but they also always won 82+ games.
I know that I am in the minority on this, but I truly believe that this is due to poor coaching. Not that Collins is the worst thing to happen to baseball, but his (or maybe the FO) mentality is soft and non-aggressive...and I think that has a trickle down effect to all facets of the game.
Sure, an average manager won't have much impact on wins/losses. But conversely, a great manager can vault a team to success while a bad manager can suck the life out of a team. The cardinals are a great recent example. They are aggressive. They do the little things. They create their own luck and success. In fact, a lot of the teams that have beaten us have been very aggressive.
The Mets are the opposite of this and it's no surprise. Like I said, maybe it's the FO mentality, but I believe that there needs to be a severe shift in coaching and philosophy. If this IS a FO philosophy...then I'm fearful for the future. It's Baseball 101. Moneyball never worked...at least not in the long run.
Randolph had good teams so it's hard to compare, but if you go back to the Bobby V. era I remember many times when the lineup had some real crappy players in key spots, and every one of those teams had terrible outfielders. Jay Payton, Shinjo, Agbayani, Timo, etc. Some of those teams also sucked offensively but they also always won 82+ games.
All the OFs you mentioned were significantly more productive than Eric Young. I don't care who the manager is, you're not going to score runs with a lineup featuring Eric Young, Chris Young, Tejada, first half TDA, best hitter injured, etc.
Randolph had good teams so it's hard to compare, but if you go back to the Bobby V. era I remember many times when the lineup had some real crappy players in key spots, and every one of those teams had terrible outfielders. Jay Payton, Shinjo, Agbayani, Timo, etc. Some of those teams also sucked offensively but they also always won 82+ games.
think about the OF bobby V went to the WS with.. it's crazy how bad it is lol
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23rd in runs scored (and that's with 15 the other day, without which they would be 29th)
28th in OPS
26th in OBP
22nd in HRs
26th in BA
I hope Z meant bottom five O, not top five, when he touted the great offense this spring.
Speaking of "I told you so's" I never said top 5 in the NL without two of our top hitters, but I always love your snark.
think about the OF bobby V went to the WS with.. it's crazy how bad it is lol
And still: the OF with the worst OPS in 2000 - Derek Bell - had a higher OPS than anybody in this year's OF.
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23rd in runs scored (and that's with 15 the other day, without which they would be 29th)
28th in OPS
26th in OBP
22nd in HRs
26th in BA
I hope Z meant bottom five O, not top five, when he touted the great offense this spring.
Speaking of "I told you so's" I never said top 5 in the NL without two of our top hitters, but I always love your snark.
Lol, fair point.
But we should expect nothing less from Class of 2012 unfortunately.
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I hope Z meant bottom five O, not top five, when he touted the great offense this spring.
Few take Spring training scrimmages seriously. Makes ya wonder
Granderson
Murphy
Wright
Cruz
Duda
d'Arnaud
Flores
Lagares
Pitcher
That's a pretty legit lineup. I'd have a hard time finding many better than that. Especially in the NL.
Everything SA does is a broken bridge to a prospect he hopes will develop.
I'll give the front office a pass on Cruz. I wanted Melky Cabrera instead of Cuddyer, but it looks like he's an even bigger bust than Cuddyer. This stuff isn't easy.
Cruz has actually played the field more often than he's DH'd this year and he's already a 2 WAR player (Cuddyer is barely above 0 at 0.3)
And Cruz isn't playing in a small park, either. Look at his offensive numbers right now. They're ridiculous.
Granderson
Murphy
Wright
Cruz
Duda
d'Arnaud
Flores
Lagares
Pitcher
That's a pretty legit lineup. I'd have a hard time finding many better than that. Especially in the NL.
let it go! I'm with you, and have been since winter 2013 on this one, but it's not worth thinking about..
what the brass needs to figure out is how to bring younger offensive players into the fold who aren't oft-injured.
Cruz has actually played the field more often than he's DH'd this year and he's already a 2 WAR player (Cuddyer is barely above 0 at 0.3)
And Cruz isn't playing in a small park, either. Look at his offensive numbers right now. They're ridiculous.
The FO's MO has been to take pragmatic risks that are mitigated by intangible factors and more reasonable contracts. Often times that's been at the expense of higher upside boom/bust type players. Cuddyer and Granderson are safer "professionals" compared boom/bust bigger contracts like Ellsbury/Ramirez/Cruz/Choo. They can't outspend any mistakes they make so they are being overly cautious trying to not make any. I believe for this team to take the next step they will need to make their "Beltran/Piazza" move and put their chips in on a true all star level guy, whether it's a FA this offseason like Upton or a trade for Gomez, they need 1 every day 5 WAR impact player, either in the OF or middle IF.
Reyes
Lo Duca
Beltran
Delgado
Wright
Floyd
Green
Valentin
Respectfully, it's not a huge mismatch yet b/c they're still throwing Niese and Colon out there on the heels of Gee.
It will be mismatch while the offense, yikes. It's not even close.
Cruz may not be as great a hitter but he would be our Delgado now. Duda IMO, is kinda like Floyd was. A young Wright, Beltran hits, Lo Duca put the ball in play and Reyes flies.
Even defensively it's not close.