let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
if I let that happen I'd only be listening to country music and watching old westerns.
because of Letterman's longevity, and the significance of his show back in the 80s, but how many people still watch his show regularly? I guess what I am getting at is whether this is a big deal because it is semi-historic, or will people actually miss have Letterman's show to watch?
I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention anything funny or relevant they saw on the show. It seems many who watch it do so out of routine more than anything else. Granted I am not a fan - of his or any of the late night shows. I am just trying to figure out why his last show is particularly significant.
FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
Spot on analysis. Allowing the conservative viewpoint to be expressed at all is what has gotten Fox labeled as a radical and far right network.
reminded me of how much I enjoyed Dave back in the early 90s. But then the whole thing got stale.
Of course, nothing was as good as Late Night. Being on an hour earlier just removed some of the best, most bizarre stuff. Same thing happened to Conan, and he's only now getting over it (because no one ever sees him on TBS).
Still, can't wait for Colbert!!!
RE: I understand the significance of the last show Â
because of Letterman's longevity, and the significance of his show back in the 80s, but how many people still watch his show regularly? I guess what I am getting at is whether this is a big deal because it is semi-historic, or will people actually miss have Letterman's show to watch?
I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention anything funny or relevant they saw on the show. It seems many who watch it do so out of routine more than anything else. Granted I am not a fan - of his or any of the late night shows. I am just trying to figure out why his last show is particularly significant.
I dont think it has much cultural relevance. I dont know who still watched his show. There were probably two times I talked about Letterman in the last decade -- his legal stuff, and the Joaquin Phoenix appearance.
The significance is the end of an era/great career. And nostalgia; his Late Show stuff was very relevant to a lot of us.
FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
As far as pure news goes they are not bad until they start slanting it to whatever talking point they were told to hit on that day. No one network just reports the news (Except maybe BBC and Al Jezeera, but even they lately have gotten caught up slanting the news), but to claim they do not filter it in such a way as to get their political angle out is wrong.
Their news ticker on the bottom is hilarious to watch at times with how they use it to nudge viewers
But, right to the end of Leno's era, if I was watching at 11:30, it would still be Letterman because I thought he was still the better option. Since, I would sometimes watch Fallon, sometimes, Letterman. Was he as funny as his NBC show in the 80s? No. But, how much of that was simply both he and his audience getting older?
I never considered her very much to look at to begin with. She certainly got better looking with age, but I would never have called her hot or sexy. She is now an attractive woman for her age. But, some of the other women mentioned in the same age bracket were always better looking and continue to be (Lane and Pfeiffer, for example).
but watched him religiously all through the 80's. This morning feels like losing a father that I had a falling out with a long time ago. As minute as it was there was always hope for reconciliation until last night.
thought the best part of Letterman was that he didn't suffer fools. The way he would mock some of his Hollywood guests was more enjoyable than the saccharine interviews that his counterpart conducted on NBC.
His (very good) NBC show was more niche comedy. When he moved to CBS, the show was intended for a broader audience, but Letterman never really seemed comfortable or very good at it.
The production of the CBS show became terrible, too. The audience wouldn't laugh at jokes -- they would clap for them. It slowed down the pace of the show and was pretty annoying. And the excessive commercial breaks made an NFL game broadcast seem like it had flow, in comparison.
And on top of all that, I happen to believe that this style of show is dead. I can't believe how many of them still exist. B-rate and C-rate hosts doing scripted interviews with B-rate and C-rate entertainers, with a desk, a chair, and a house band. Is there really a young audience for this stuff anymore? I had no idea who followed Letterman on CBS until Tuesday night. I watched the first 10 minutes. Oh my God...spectacularly unfunny show.
Pretty good take on the whole late talk world. I do think Craig Ferguson tried to do something unconventional and did.
Wow, you must have been some big fan or never very close with your dad.
This is exactly what I am not getting. Some in the media are portraying this as the end of an era, losing a friend, etc. What is funny is the media seemed to be the only ones talking about it. I don't recall one person I know mentioning his show ending. It seems like this is the media taking themselves more seriously than the rest of the world does.
Except for this guy, who seems to have developed a deep and lasting bond with a guy on TV.
but watched him religiously all through the 80's. This morning feels like losing a father that I had a falling out with a long time ago. As minute as it was there was always hope for reconciliation until last night.
FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
You clearly don't watch enough of the other channels. They go after the Clintons and Obama on reasonable issues. The big difference is that they won't indulge the lunatic issues that FOX tries to bring up over and over and over again that have all been discredited. Not wanting to discuss Benghazi anymore after several different committees has discredited it is not giving Obama a pass. Its refusing to beat a dead horse.
FOX is so ridiculously right leaning its a joke to call them a news station.
Their own claim of "Fair and Balanced" is utter bullshit. Just come out and say: "The Rights news channel" and be done with it. They would catch much less grief, and actually eliminate a talking point against them.
There is nothing wrong with picking a side, there is a wrong though to do so and claim your not.
ugh! How did this devolve into talk of Politics ... Â
Why come on a thread about a Late Show legend retiring and bash him? If you don't care for him, why click on this thread and start spewing BS about David being too political — holy shit! What crap! If making fun of the Bush family's endless problems with speaking the English language is political, then yes, you got him! And Dave is Independent btw.
For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!
And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!
FOX catches so much sh*t is because as someone pointed out a recent study done by Bruce Bartlett a republican - that
shows that Fox News Watchers are less informed than people who do not watch ANY news shows
There is a difference between tilting conservative to flat out misinformation and propaganda
The great thing about biases is nobody can see their own Â
The leadership at FOX can't see their own bias to the right just as NBC can't see it's own bias to the left. I think the FOX slogan is more intended as a counterweight to what they perceive to be a left tilt in most main stream media (i.e. we overcompensate to the right to bring balance). Again, not saying I agree with that, but that has always been my perception.
Most media outlets are a product of bias. Not always actively and not always intentionally. New directors give weight and attention to the stories they believe are the most relevant, and that is done based on their own biases of which they typically remain blissfully unaware.
of one of the most fun editing projects I ever worked on 'Chris Elliott: A Television Miracle' David Letterman's 2nd Annual Holiday Film Festival 1986 - ( New Window )
FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
Spot on analysis. Allowing the conservative viewpoint to be expressed at all is what has gotten Fox labeled as a radical and far right network.
Joe, you need to study up on Roger Ailes and his stated intent when he created Fox News Network. It has not deviated from that intent since its inception. It ain't what you're stating at all.
let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
if I let that happen I'd only be listening to country music and watching old westerns.
hey, at least I'd have sports!
Yeah, like in baseball where the networks always concentrate on left field and ignore right field.
is a victim of his own ego. The next person who tells me that I just don't "get it" is going to get punched in the face. I got what he was trying to do, it just hasn't been funny or entertaining for a very long time. What's really funny is how everyone ignores that he was trying (and often succeeding) to screw every intern that walked into the building.
And how the fuck was Paul Shaffer allowed to be on tv for this long?!
We ran into technical problems the last night we had to deliver, things were getting tense that we couldn't get the video done in time. Chris comes in and is like everyone relax, have a drink, a smoke, its only TV. It broke the tension and we got it done.
RE: ugh! How did this devolve into talk of Politics ... Â
Why come on a thread about a Late Show legend retiring and bash him? If you don't care for him, why click on this thread and start spewing BS about David being too political — holy shit! What crap! If making fun of the Bush family's endless problems with speaking the English language is political, then yes, you got him! And Dave is Independent btw.
For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!
And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!
I know, right! It totally sucks when other people have opinions and express them - especially when they are different from your own. I wish all people that didn't think like me would just go away!!!
let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
Because people have fragile egos and take it as a personal insult when someone doesn't agree with them, criticizes them, or challenges their ideas IMO.
It seems to come out most often with religion, politics, sport team preference, phone manufacturer, console manufacturer, and console vs PC.
The latter of course is PC and if you don't agree, you're an idiotic peasant.
the way they clapped after all of his little quips was infuriating. Really, you're gonna clap at that unfunny comment and pretend like it was genius?
He was a lot better than Leno. Leno was as generic and lame as it gets. Atleast Letterman had a unique identity and brought intelligence to the table. He's a legend and although his retirement doesn't matter to me personally, it still sucks to see it end.
for me was at least 5 years ago. What a hateful guy if you had different politics.
Why is he a hateful guy? I know a bunch of people who worked for him at one time or another, and each one of them said he was a great guy - quick to give praise to others when things went well, and just as quick to take blame when things went wrong.
Yeah, what a dick. Unless you have different politics.
I know, right! It totally sucks when other people have opinions and express them - especially when they are different from your own. I wish all people that didn't think like me would just go away!!!
which was: keep politics out of it. Eric has even banned such talk from this site many times because it is so polarizing. People aren't clicking on this thread to talk politics. You are entitled to your opinion, and in doing so I think you revealed how ignorant you are on the topic of this thread. Your earlier post on here wondering why everyone is making such a bid deal about Letterman retiring is Evidence A ... Regardless of political affiliation, or whether or not you liked him or not, your questioning the significance of him retiring and why it is getting this kind of coverage reflects poorly on you. That much is true.
Time to put your Asshat back on!!
RE: RE: ugh! How did this devolve into talk of Politics ... Â
Why come on a thread about a Late Show legend retiring and bash him? If you don't care for him, why click on this thread and start spewing BS about David being too political — holy shit! What crap! If making fun of the Bush family's endless problems with speaking the English language is political, then yes, you got him! And Dave is Independent btw.
For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!
And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!
I know, right! It totally sucks when other people have opinions and express them - especially when they are different from your own. I wish all people that didn't think like me would just go away!!!
you totally missed my point, which was: keep politics out of it. Eric has even banned such talk from this site many times because it is so polarizing. People aren't clicking on this thread to talk politics. You are entitled to your opinion, and in doing so I think you revealed how ignorant you are on the topic of this thread. Your earlier post on here wondering why everyone is making such a big deal about Letterman retiring is Evidence A ... Regardless of political affiliation, or whether or not you liked him or not, your questioning the significance of him retiring and why it is getting this kind of coverage reflects poorly on you. That much is true.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
if I let that happen I'd only be listening to country music and watching old westerns.
hey, at least I'd have sports!
I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention anything funny or relevant they saw on the show. It seems many who watch it do so out of routine more than anything else. Granted I am not a fan - of his or any of the late night shows. I am just trying to figure out why his last show is particularly significant.
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
Spot on analysis. Allowing the conservative viewpoint to be expressed at all is what has gotten Fox labeled as a radical and far right network.
Of course, nothing was as good as Late Night. Being on an hour earlier just removed some of the best, most bizarre stuff. Same thing happened to Conan, and he's only now getting over it (because no one ever sees him on TBS).
Still, can't wait for Colbert!!!
I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention anything funny or relevant they saw on the show. It seems many who watch it do so out of routine more than anything else. Granted I am not a fan - of his or any of the late night shows. I am just trying to figure out why his last show is particularly significant.
I dont think it has much cultural relevance. I dont know who still watched his show. There were probably two times I talked about Letterman in the last decade -- his legal stuff, and the Joaquin Phoenix appearance.
The significance is the end of an era/great career. And nostalgia; his Late Show stuff was very relevant to a lot of us.
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
As far as pure news goes they are not bad until they start slanting it to whatever talking point they were told to hit on that day. No one network just reports the news (Except maybe BBC and Al Jezeera, but even they lately have gotten caught up slanting the news), but to claim they do not filter it in such a way as to get their political angle out is wrong.
Their news ticker on the bottom is hilarious to watch at times with how they use it to nudge viewers
The production of the CBS show became terrible, too. The audience wouldn't laugh at jokes -- they would clap for them. It slowed down the pace of the show and was pretty annoying. And the excessive commercial breaks made an NFL game broadcast seem like it had flow, in comparison.
And on top of all that, I happen to believe that this style of show is dead. I can't believe how many of them still exist. B-rate and C-rate hosts doing scripted interviews with B-rate and C-rate entertainers, with a desk, a chair, and a house band. Is there really a young audience for this stuff anymore? I had no idea who followed Letterman on CBS until Tuesday night. I watched the first 10 minutes. Oh my God...spectacularly unfunny show.
Pretty good take on the whole late talk world. I do think Craig Ferguson tried to do something unconventional and did.
This is exactly what I am not getting. Some in the media are portraying this as the end of an era, losing a friend, etc. What is funny is the media seemed to be the only ones talking about it. I don't recall one person I know mentioning his show ending. It seems like this is the media taking themselves more seriously than the rest of the world does.
Except for this guy, who seems to have developed a deep and lasting bond with a guy on TV.
I feel the same.
The 80's were all about Letterman and my bong!
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
You clearly don't watch enough of the other channels. They go after the Clintons and Obama on reasonable issues. The big difference is that they won't indulge the lunatic issues that FOX tries to bring up over and over and over again that have all been discredited. Not wanting to discuss Benghazi anymore after several different committees has discredited it is not giving Obama a pass. Its refusing to beat a dead horse.
FOX is so ridiculously right leaning its a joke to call them a news station.
There is nothing wrong with picking a side, there is a wrong though to do so and claim your not.
For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!
And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!
shows that Fox News Watchers are less informed than people who do not watch ANY news shows
There is a difference between tilting conservative to flat out misinformation and propaganda
Most media outlets are a product of bias. Not always actively and not always intentionally. New directors give weight and attention to the stories they believe are the most relevant, and that is done based on their own biases of which they typically remain blissfully unaware.
Did real investigative reports on The Saddam Hussein/ Bin Laden relationship.
Did real human interest stories on the Koch brothers and the tea party.
Were first to scoop on McGreevy's boyfriend.
Give equal time to both the White and Sarah Palin on trending poltical issues.
Call out John Stewart for who he is - a comedian
The other network are pure partisians - only out there to promote their agenda and make a buck
Seinfeld's expression was great.
'Chris Elliott: A Television Miracle' David Letterman's 2nd Annual Holiday Film Festival 1986 - ( New Window )
Very cool, Rich!
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FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
Spot on analysis. Allowing the conservative viewpoint to be expressed at all is what has gotten Fox labeled as a radical and far right network.
Joe, you need to study up on Roger Ailes and his stated intent when he created Fox News Network. It has not deviated from that intent since its inception. It ain't what you're stating at all.
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let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
if I let that happen I'd only be listening to country music and watching old westerns.
hey, at least I'd have sports!
Yeah, like in baseball where the networks always concentrate on left field and ignore right field.
My brother and I always had a soft spot for Elliot and his humor, from Get a Life and Letterman. Such a fun, stupid, hilarious sensibility.
And how the fuck was Paul Shaffer allowed to be on tv for this long?!
For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!
And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!
I know, right! It totally sucks when other people have opinions and express them - especially when they are different from your own. I wish all people that didn't think like me would just go away!!!
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
Because people have fragile egos and take it as a personal insult when someone doesn't agree with them, criticizes them, or challenges their ideas IMO.
It seems to come out most often with religion, politics, sport team preference, phone manufacturer, console manufacturer, and console vs PC.
The latter of course is PC and if you don't agree, you're an idiotic peasant.
Please explain.
Did real investigative reports on The Saddam Hussein/ Bin Laden relationship.
Did real human interest stories on the Koch brothers and the tea party.
Were first to scoop on McGreevy's boyfriend.
Give equal time to both the White and Sarah Palin on trending poltical issues.
Call out John Stewart for who he is - a comedian
The other network are pure partisians - only out there to promote their agenda and make a buck
Really nailed the user name
He was a lot better than Leno. Leno was as generic and lame as it gets. Atleast Letterman had a unique identity and brought intelligence to the table. He's a legend and although his retirement doesn't matter to me personally, it still sucks to see it end.
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Gave Trump's birthers fair and balanced coverage.
Please explain.
I have a really dry sense of humor. I get equal pleasure out of the joke and that others don't always get it.
correction
Gave equal time to the White House and Sarah Palin on trending political issues.
His early shows on NBC were comic gold.
Not having Chris Elliot on was a mistake, like not giving the ball to Walter Payton, inside the 5, in the Superbowl.
Why is he a hateful guy? I know a bunch of people who worked for him at one time or another, and each one of them said he was a great guy - quick to give praise to others when things went well, and just as quick to take blame when things went wrong.
Yeah, what a dick. Unless you have different politics.
Link - ( New Window )
which was: keep politics out of it. Eric has even banned such talk from this site many times because it is so polarizing. People aren't clicking on this thread to talk politics. You are entitled to your opinion, and in doing so I think you revealed how ignorant you are on the topic of this thread. Your earlier post on here wondering why everyone is making such a bid deal about Letterman retiring is Evidence A ... Regardless of political affiliation, or whether or not you liked him or not, your questioning the significance of him retiring and why it is getting this kind of coverage reflects poorly on you. That much is true.
Time to put your Asshat back on!!
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Why come on a thread about a Late Show legend retiring and bash him? If you don't care for him, why click on this thread and start spewing BS about David being too political — holy shit! What crap! If making fun of the Bush family's endless problems with speaking the English language is political, then yes, you got him! And Dave is Independent btw.
For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!
And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!
I know, right! It totally sucks when other people have opinions and express them - especially when they are different from your own. I wish all people that didn't think like me would just go away!!!
you totally missed my point, which was: keep politics out of it. Eric has even banned such talk from this site many times because it is so polarizing. People aren't clicking on this thread to talk politics. You are entitled to your opinion, and in doing so I think you revealed how ignorant you are on the topic of this thread. Your earlier post on here wondering why everyone is making such a big deal about Letterman retiring is Evidence A ... Regardless of political affiliation, or whether or not you liked him or not, your questioning the significance of him retiring and why it is getting this kind of coverage reflects poorly on you. That much is true.
Time to put your Asshat back on!!