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NFT: David Letterman's Last Show

Anakim : 5/20/2015 11:35 pm
Starts right now on CBS
End on a Wed?  
schabadoo : 5/20/2015 11:47 pm : link
Odd.
Damn  
Sonic Youth : 5/21/2015 12:08 am : link
is there a hotter 50+ year old woman as Julie Louis-Dreyfus? Fuck man, she can still get it. Sexy as hell.
RE: Damn  
j_rud : 5/21/2015 12:48 am : link
In comment 12295846 Sonic Youth said:
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is there a hotter 50+ year old woman as Julie Louis-Dreyfus? Fuck man, she can still get it. Sexy as hell.

Diane Lane
very good send off,  
Jints in Carolina : 5/21/2015 12:57 am : link
Thanks Dave.
His last show  
Bill in UT : 5/21/2015 1:02 am : link
for me was at least 5 years ago. What a hateful guy if you had different politics.
RE: His last show  
Zepp : 5/21/2015 5:56 am : link
In comment 12295864 Bill in UT said:
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for me was at least 5 years ago. What a hateful guy if you had different politics.


Or maybe just the politics was too crazy for any sane man to support.
RE: RE: Damn  
Matt M. : 5/21/2015 8:26 am : link
In comment 12295861 j_rud said:
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In comment 12295846 Sonic Youth said:


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is there a hotter 50+ year old woman as Julie Louis-Dreyfus? Fuck man, she can still get it. Sexy as hell.


Diane Lane
I'd also throw Michele Pfeiffer in the mix.
Bill in UT  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 8:31 am : link
It jumped the shark back in the late '80s when it went to CBS and became politicized.
I may be in the minority  
Gman11 : 5/21/2015 8:33 am : link
but I never did understand why he was such a big deal. I watched some in the early 90s and never thought his monologues were very funny and that he was OK at interviewing celebrities, but nothing special.
Gee a late night host who has thoughts and political ideas.  
jjgmrg901 : 5/21/2015 8:35 am : link
Hey guys why not just set your TVs to that non political and non factual network. FOX.

Pfeiffer, Stone  
NoPeanutz : 5/21/2015 8:41 am : link
the difference of course, is that those actresses were sex-symbols since the 80s.

JLD's career went from this


to the famous cover of Rolling Stone from last year.

It feels like a significant, and somewhat historic career arc for women in comedy. Or really, I guess, for comedians in general.
RE: I may be in the minority  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/21/2015 8:44 am : link
In comment 12295978 Gman11 said:
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but I never did understand why he was such a big deal. I watched some in the early 90s and never thought his monologues were very funny and that he was OK at interviewing celebrities, but nothing special.


Watch the 80s stuff - that's the really excellent material. His wit and comedic timing were just on another level.
Read a good point somewhere  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2015 8:50 am : link
If you think about it, all of his really funny bits date back to the 80s. He's been on cruise control for decades.
RE: Gee a late night host who has thoughts and political ideas.  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 8:52 am : link
In comment 12295982 jjgmrg901 said:
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Hey guys why not just set your TVs to that non political and non factual network. FOX.


I love Dave, but Carson and Leno made a point not to pick sides. Dave did, and it turned many people off.

I am nostalgic for his retirement, though. He was part of my youth.
RE: Read a good point somewhere  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 8:53 am : link
In comment 12296011 Greg from LI said:
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If you think about it, all of his really funny bits date back to the 80s. He's been on cruise control for decades.


He himself admits that he became a "regular" talk show host.

Did Chris Eliot appear at all the last two weeks? Love that knucklehead.
Moondawg - Carson was political  
jjgmrg901 : 5/21/2015 8:58 am : link
I never watched Leno, just couldn't stand him. I disagree with you about Carson. I stopped watching him when he seemed to on have the Duke, Hope and Heston on. He was more to the right than I like.
But hey we are all Giant fans!!
RE: Bill in UT  
schabadoo : 5/21/2015 9:04 am : link
In comment 12295973 Eric from BBI said:
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It jumped the shark back in the late '80s when it went to CBS and became politicized.


It moved in the 90s, and he wasn't very political.

Other than that, nailed it.

RE: Moondawg - Carson was political  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 9:07 am : link
In comment 12296021 jjgmrg901 said:
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I never watched Leno, just couldn't stand him. I disagree with you about Carson. I stopped watching him when he seemed to on have the Duke, Hope and Heston on. He was more to the right than I like.
But hey we are all Giant fans!!


The three men you mention were giants in the entertainment industry. Chould Carson have not had them on? One of them marched with MLK. Another spent many hours of his life trying to bring relief and joy to men who were in very difficult situations overseas in wartime. And they were such an affront that you stopped watching? I say this with frankness, not anger: maybe your own stridency is part of the problem.

I'm too young to remember Carson, but Leno said that Carson told him that once you choose sides, you've lost half your audience.
I always found him funny  
Stu11 : 5/21/2015 9:08 am : link
haven't watched in years, but I don't watch those late night talk shows unless it was a great interview or bit and then I just you tube it the next day or so. Like a couple of you, I loved watching him in college in the mid to late 80's. He was always the favorite of our generation. I still remember a monologue back then: he was in Vegas doing a week of shows and he tells this joke where this guy outside a casino is begging with this whole story about his wife being sick and he desperately needed money for an operation or she would die. Dave says "How do i know you won't use this money to gamble? and the guy says "Oh I got gambling money!"

It was one of those lines that made us laugh our ass off. He used it randomly for months. We must have said it to each other 1000 times.
Norm Macdonald  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 9:12 am : link
said that he was working on a joke for a year, and when he told it on Letterman's show, Dave made a spontaneous riff on it that improved it greatly, and he realized what a comedic mind Dave had.
Rickles' appearances  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 9:26 am : link
were always awesome. He constantly destroys Dave.
Here's one of my favorites, with Denzel Washington - ( New Window )
Letterman was political??  
Strip-Sack : 5/21/2015 9:26 am : link
I honestly never thought about that let alone noticed anything to turn me off from the show. I remember when Dave used to guest host the Tonight Show back in the day and I'd always make it a point to check it out as I was a fan of his comedy. When he moved to that brief morning show on NBC I would try to check it out when I could but when they moved him to late, late night...I went to College and it became a staple with bongs at midnight, ha!! Believe it or not, when Dave first came on the scene, he was the closest thing to SNL (good SNL, that is) there was at the time and it was a very refreshing, edgy humor for a younger generation vs. the buttoned up Tonight Show.
Here's a non-partisan (I think)  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 9:28 am : link
talking about Dave's political legacy.
Link - ( New Window )
watch daves post 9/11 show...  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/21/2015 9:38 am : link
it was memorable
Letterman was never a broad comedy guy.  
Mr. Bungle : 5/21/2015 9:41 am : link
His (very good) NBC show was more niche comedy. When he moved to CBS, the show was intended for a broader audience, but Letterman never really seemed comfortable or very good at it.

The production of the CBS show became terrible, too. The audience wouldn't laugh at jokes -- they would clap for them. It slowed down the pace of the show and was pretty annoying. And the excessive commercial breaks made an NFL game broadcast seem like it had flow, in comparison.

And on top of all that, I happen to believe that this style of show is dead. I can't believe how many of them still exist. B-rate and C-rate hosts doing scripted interviews with B-rate and C-rate entertainers, with a desk, a chair, and a house band. Is there really a young audience for this stuff anymore? I had no idea who followed Letterman on CBS until Tuesday night. I watched the first 10 minutes. Oh my God...spectacularly unfunny show.
jjgmrg901  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 9:58 am : link
I can't believe anyone actually thinks ABC, CBS, and NBC is actual news anymore.

I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.

Those who criticize FOX never watch it.
RE: jjgmrg901  
Randy in CT : 5/21/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12296155 Eric from BBI said:
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I can't believe anyone actually thinks ABC, CBS, and NBC is actual news anymore.

I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.

Those who criticize FOX never watch it.
Nonsense.There is possibly a slight lean to the left given the tendencies of folks that get into broadcasting in general.

Fox pleads fair and balanced and are pretty far right by design.

That is worse than the fact that a news story might have a subjective take given the commentator's personal inclinations.

Fox is purposely slanted and then lies about fair coverage.
Randy in CT  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 10:13 am : link
FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).

But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.

I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).

My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.

Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
RE: jjgmrg901  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12296155 Eric from BBI said:
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I can't believe anyone actually thinks ABC, CBS, and NBC is actual news anymore.

I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.

Those who criticize FOX never watch it.


I agree.

I actually tend to watch BBC more than anything here, because it tends to just tell the news.

The problem is, the people who complain about Fox are usually complaining about the opinion shows like Hannity or O'Reilly.

Although I am a former Journalism major, I am far from an expert (as I have not worked in the industry). That being said, I DO turn on Fox for Bret Baier, as I think he is the most straight forward and factual news person on television.



Obama and Clinton?  
Randy in CT : 5/21/2015 10:19 am : link
Holy crap? Yeah, BO's healthcare ideas have been rallied around with enthusiasm (for example). And did you mean Bill Clinton? His worst offense was the lewinsky affair which was covered instead of real news for about 6 months.

Hillary Clinton? The emails? I think all news outfits are covering it when there's info available and her office hasn't been disclosing much. if you think there's news to be had there and a news agency isn't covering it due to their leanings as opposed to wanting ratings then I don't think you know how TV works. Ratings rule.
RE: jjgmrg901  
schabadoo : 5/21/2015 10:22 am : link
In comment 12296155 Eric from BBI said:
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I can't believe anyone actually thinks ABC, CBS, and NBC is actual news anymore.

I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.

Those who criticize FOX never watch it.


This seems like the basis for talk radio too. Get the real truth, all that. They have their hardcore base that they'll seemingly never lose.

It's a shame they can't do a better job of informing their viewers for all the hours of viewing they get.
schabadoo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 10:28 am : link
Yes, the left thinks the right is stupid.

And the right thinks the left is stupid.

We get that. That's the problem.
all of this politics talk in a dave letterman thread... who knew?  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/21/2015 10:30 am : link
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RE: schabadoo  
schabadoo : 5/21/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12296223 Eric from BBI said:
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Yes, the left thinks the right is stupid.

And the right thinks the left is stupid.

We get that. That's the problem.


The left didn't do the study, Bruce Bartlett did.
I havent watched Dave in years  
Deej : 5/21/2015 10:34 am : link
I enjoyed his show at NBC as a kid, but never really followed it to CBS for long. Late Night was a really good, innovative show, but the more conventional 11:30 talk show celebrity meet & greets just dont speak to me. Moreover, neither he nor Leno had the gravitas of Carson. But when I did catch either of them it seemed like Dave was at least having a good time, whereas Leno was doing some corporate-hollywood marketing with the more plastic celebrities.

I did think his last episode was a really great way to go out. It was intimate without being schmaltzy.
I never quite get why people  
Rob in CT/NYC : 5/21/2015 10:34 am : link
let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.

For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
I rarely watched the show  
Kevin999 : 5/21/2015 10:35 am : link
but would stay up every time I knew Jack Hanna was going to be on. Those two were hysterical together.
RE: schabadoo  
Deej : 5/21/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12296223 Eric from BBI said:
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Yes, the left thinks the right is stupid.

And the right thinks the left is stupid.

We get that. That's the problem.


And both are just galled by the middle. Pick a team!
wow, didn't even come  
Rob in CT/NYC : 5/21/2015 10:37 am : link
close to "disassociate" in that last paragraph.
RE: I never quite get why people  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2015 10:37 am : link
In comment 12296234 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.

For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.


Absolutely.
I almost never watch the show  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/21/2015 10:43 am : link
but I watched last night. Thought it was pretty funny (especially the flashback bits, which probably speaks to it being time to wrap up).

He really does come off very arrogant, but I laughed a good amount.
Letterman kind of mailed it in for a while  
chris r : 5/21/2015 10:44 am : link
but he's still got a very sharp wit and great comedic timing and instincts.
back to lettermen  
giantfan2000 : 5/21/2015 10:46 am : link
really this thread gets hijacked by those who think Dave is to liberal

anyway I thought last night was a great final show
it is not maudlin or sentimental in any way
but classy and funny.


I really respect that Dave gave screen time to not just the biggest stars but also quirky guest he had on that made his show so special
particularly Andy Kaufman who was always brilliant on Letterman.

RE: back to lettermen  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 10:46 am : link
In comment 12296258 giantfan2000 said:
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really this thread gets hijacked by those who think Dave is to liberal

anyway I thought last night was a great final show
it is not maudlin or sentimental in any way
but classy and funny.


I really respect that Dave gave screen time to not just the biggest stars but also quirky guest he had on that made his show so special
particularly Andy Kaufman who was always brilliant on Letterman.


Were there any Chris Eliot sightings?
I didn't see Chris Elliot outside of some quick flashbacks  
schabadoo : 5/21/2015 10:48 am : link
Which was a surprise to me.
Too bad  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 10:50 am : link
a guy under the stairs skit would have been an awesome way to say goodbye.
RE: I never quite get why people  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12296234 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.

For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.


if I let that happen I'd only be listening to country music and watching old westerns.

hey, at least I'd have sports!
I understand the significance of the last show  
Mike from Ohio : 5/21/2015 10:52 am : link
because of Letterman's longevity, and the significance of his show back in the 80s, but how many people still watch his show regularly? I guess what I am getting at is whether this is a big deal because it is semi-historic, or will people actually miss have Letterman's show to watch?

I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention anything funny or relevant they saw on the show. It seems many who watch it do so out of routine more than anything else. Granted I am not a fan - of his or any of the late night shows. I am just trying to figure out why his last show is particularly significant.
RE: Randy in CT  
averagejoe : 5/21/2015 10:54 am : link
In comment 12296191 Eric from BBI said:
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FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).

But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.

I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).

My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.

Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.


Spot on analysis. Allowing the conservative viewpoint to be expressed at all is what has gotten Fox labeled as a radical and far right network.

Watching all the clips  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 5/21/2015 10:56 am : link
reminded me of how much I enjoyed Dave back in the early 90s. But then the whole thing got stale.

Of course, nothing was as good as Late Night. Being on an hour earlier just removed some of the best, most bizarre stuff. Same thing happened to Conan, and he's only now getting over it (because no one ever sees him on TBS).

Still, can't wait for Colbert!!!
RE: I understand the significance of the last show  
Deej : 5/21/2015 11:05 am : link
In comment 12296275 Mike from Ohio said:
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because of Letterman's longevity, and the significance of his show back in the 80s, but how many people still watch his show regularly? I guess what I am getting at is whether this is a big deal because it is semi-historic, or will people actually miss have Letterman's show to watch?

I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention anything funny or relevant they saw on the show. It seems many who watch it do so out of routine more than anything else. Granted I am not a fan - of his or any of the late night shows. I am just trying to figure out why his last show is particularly significant.


I dont think it has much cultural relevance. I dont know who still watched his show. There were probably two times I talked about Letterman in the last decade -- his legal stuff, and the Joaquin Phoenix appearance.

The significance is the end of an era/great career. And nostalgia; his Late Show stuff was very relevant to a lot of us.
RE: Randy in CT  
montanagiant : 5/21/2015 11:07 am : link
In comment 12296191 Eric from BBI said:
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FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).

But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.

I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).

My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.

Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.

As far as pure news goes they are not bad until they start slanting it to whatever talking point they were told to hit on that day. No one network just reports the news (Except maybe BBC and Al Jezeera, but even they lately have gotten caught up slanting the news), but to claim they do not filter it in such a way as to get their political angle out is wrong.

Their news ticker on the bottom is hilarious to watch at times with how they use it to nudge viewers
Anyone else remember watching his morning show?  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 11:13 am : link
IMO that was him at his best but it never lasted because of the time slot.
Personally, I'm not watching a talk show at this time usually  
Matt M. : 5/21/2015 11:18 am : link
But, right to the end of Leno's era, if I was watching at 11:30, it would still be Letterman because I thought he was still the better option. Since, I would sometimes watch Fallon, sometimes, Letterman. Was he as funny as his NBC show in the 80s? No. But, how much of that was simply both he and his audience getting older?
As far as Julia Louis Dreyfuss  
Matt M. : 5/21/2015 11:20 am : link
I never considered her very much to look at to begin with. She certainly got better looking with age, but I would never have called her hot or sexy. She is now an attractive woman for her age. But, some of the other women mentioned in the same age bracket were always better looking and continue to be (Lane and Pfeiffer, for example).
I haven't watched Letterman in forever  
GentleGiant : 5/21/2015 11:22 am : link
but watched him religiously all through the 80's. This morning feels like losing a father that I had a falling out with a long time ago. As minute as it was there was always hope for reconciliation until last night.
Feels like losing a father?  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 11:26 am : link
Wow, you must have been some big fan or never very close with your dad.
I always  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/21/2015 11:33 am : link
thought the best part of Letterman was that he didn't suffer fools. The way he would mock some of his Hollywood guests was more enjoyable than the saccharine interviews that his counterpart conducted on NBC.
RE: Letterman was never a broad comedy guy.  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 11:37 am : link
In comment 12296096 Mr. Bungle said:
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His (very good) NBC show was more niche comedy. When he moved to CBS, the show was intended for a broader audience, but Letterman never really seemed comfortable or very good at it.

The production of the CBS show became terrible, too. The audience wouldn't laugh at jokes -- they would clap for them. It slowed down the pace of the show and was pretty annoying. And the excessive commercial breaks made an NFL game broadcast seem like it had flow, in comparison.

And on top of all that, I happen to believe that this style of show is dead. I can't believe how many of them still exist. B-rate and C-rate hosts doing scripted interviews with B-rate and C-rate entertainers, with a desk, a chair, and a house band. Is there really a young audience for this stuff anymore? I had no idea who followed Letterman on CBS until Tuesday night. I watched the first 10 minutes. Oh my God...spectacularly unfunny show.


Pretty good take on the whole late talk world. I do think Craig Ferguson tried to do something unconventional and did.
RE: Feels like losing a father?  
Mike from Ohio : 5/21/2015 11:44 am : link
In comment 12296350 steve in ky said:
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Wow, you must have been some big fan or never very close with your dad.


This is exactly what I am not getting. Some in the media are portraying this as the end of an era, losing a friend, etc. What is funny is the media seemed to be the only ones talking about it. I don't recall one person I know mentioning his show ending. It seems like this is the media taking themselves more seriously than the rest of the world does.

Except for this guy, who seems to have developed a deep and lasting bond with a guy on TV.
RE: I haven't watched Letterman in forever  
WideRight : 5/21/2015 11:45 am : link
In comment 12296344 GentleGiant said:
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but watched him religiously all through the 80's. This morning feels like losing a father that I had a falling out with a long time ago. As minute as it was there was always hope for reconciliation until last night.


I feel the same.

The 80's were all about Letterman and my bong!
RE: Randy in CT  
Zepp : 5/21/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12296191 Eric from BBI said:
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FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).

But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.

I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).

My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.

Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.



You clearly don't watch enough of the other channels. They go after the Clintons and Obama on reasonable issues. The big difference is that they won't indulge the lunatic issues that FOX tries to bring up over and over and over again that have all been discredited. Not wanting to discuss Benghazi anymore after several different committees has discredited it is not giving Obama a pass. Its refusing to beat a dead horse.

FOX is so ridiculously right leaning its a joke to call them a news station.
Zepp  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 11:52 am : link
I can give you a dozen examples of how the "main stream media" doesn't report the news. E-mail me.
I think FOX catches so much shit is because  
montanagiant : 5/21/2015 12:02 pm : link
Their own claim of "Fair and Balanced" is utter bullshit. Just come out and say: "The Rights news channel" and be done with it. They would catch much less grief, and actually eliminate a talking point against them.

There is nothing wrong with picking a side, there is a wrong though to do so and claim your not.
ugh! How did this devolve into talk of Politics ...  
Blue9 : 5/21/2015 12:04 pm : link
Why come on a thread about a Late Show legend retiring and bash him? If you don't care for him, why click on this thread and start spewing BS about David being too political — holy shit! What crap! If making fun of the Bush family's endless problems with speaking the English language is political, then yes, you got him! And Dave is Independent btw.

For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!

And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!
The  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 12:04 pm : link
media is/was making a huge deal of it BECAUSE among comedians/actors David Letterman is an icon/legend.
actually  
giantfan2000 : 5/21/2015 12:09 pm : link
FOX catches so much sh*t is because as someone pointed out a recent study done by Bruce Bartlett a republican - that
shows that Fox News Watchers are less informed than people who do not watch ANY news shows

There is a difference between tilting conservative to flat out misinformation and propaganda
The great thing about biases is nobody can see their own  
Mike from Ohio : 5/21/2015 12:10 pm : link
The leadership at FOX can't see their own bias to the right just as NBC can't see it's own bias to the left. I think the FOX slogan is more intended as a counterweight to what they perceive to be a left tilt in most main stream media (i.e. we overcompensate to the right to bring balance). Again, not saying I agree with that, but that has always been my perception.

Most media outlets are a product of bias. Not always actively and not always intentionally. New directors give weight and attention to the stories they believe are the most relevant, and that is done based on their own biases of which they typically remain blissfully unaware.
going back to the topic,  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/21/2015 12:13 pm : link
the top ten list was hilarious with Dreyfuss putting the series finale joke was great.
Fox  
WideRight : 5/21/2015 12:15 pm : link
Gave Trump's birthers fair and balanced coverage.

Did real investigative reports on The Saddam Hussein/ Bin Laden relationship.

Did real human interest stories on the Koch brothers and the tea party.

Were first to scoop on McGreevy's boyfriend.

Give equal time to both the White and Sarah Palin on trending poltical issues.

Call out John Stewart for who he is - a comedian


The other network are pure partisians - only out there to promote their agenda and make a buck
RE: going back to the topic,  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/21/2015 12:19 pm : link
In comment 12296473 GMAN4LIFE said:
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the top ten list was hilarious with Dreyfuss putting the series finale joke was great.


Seinfeld's expression was great.
Here's a clip  
Rich on LI : 5/21/2015 12:20 pm : link
of one of the most fun editing projects I ever worked on
'Chris Elliott: A Television Miracle' David Letterman's 2nd Annual Holiday Film Festival 1986 - ( New Window )
RE: Here's a clip  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12296483 Rich on LI said:
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of one of the most fun editing projects I ever worked on 'Chris Elliott: A Television Miracle' David Letterman's 2nd Annual Holiday Film Festival 1986 - ( New Window )


Very cool, Rich!

RE: RE: Randy in CT  
BMac : 5/21/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12296280 averagejoe said:
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In comment 12296191 Eric from BBI said:


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FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).

But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.

I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).

My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.

Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.



Spot on analysis. Allowing the conservative viewpoint to be expressed at all is what has gotten Fox labeled as a radical and far right network.


Joe, you need to study up on Roger Ailes and his stated intent when he created Fox News Network. It has not deviated from that intent since its inception. It ain't what you're stating at all.
RE: RE: I never quite get why people  
BMac : 5/21/2015 12:43 pm : link
In comment 12296269 feelflows said:
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In comment 12296234 Rob in CT/NYC said:


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let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.

For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.



if I let that happen I'd only be listening to country music and watching old westerns.

hey, at least I'd have sports!


Yeah, like in baseball where the networks always concentrate on left field and ignore right field.
Thanks Moondawg  
Rich on LI : 5/21/2015 12:43 pm : link
It was great working with Chris Elliott. So many funny stories from that project.
RE: Thanks Moondawg  
Moondawg : 5/21/2015 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12296520 Rich on LI said:
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It was great working with Chris Elliott. So many funny stories from that project.


My brother and I always had a soft spot for Elliot and his humor, from Get a Life and Letterman. Such a fun, stupid, hilarious sensibility.
Letterman  
Pete in MD : 5/21/2015 12:55 pm : link
is a victim of his own ego. The next person who tells me that I just don't "get it" is going to get punched in the face. I got what he was trying to do, it just hasn't been funny or entertaining for a very long time. What's really funny is how everyone ignores that he was trying (and often succeeding) to screw every intern that walked into the building.

And how the fuck was Paul Shaffer allowed to be on tv for this long?!
and Chris was a really good guy  
Rich on LI : 5/21/2015 1:02 pm : link
We ran into technical problems the last night we had to deliver, things were getting tense that we couldn't get the video done in time. Chris comes in and is like everyone relax, have a drink, a smoke, its only TV. It broke the tension and we got it done.
RE: ugh! How did this devolve into talk of Politics ...  
Mike from Ohio : 5/21/2015 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12296448 Blue9 said:
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Why come on a thread about a Late Show legend retiring and bash him? If you don't care for him, why click on this thread and start spewing BS about David being too political — holy shit! What crap! If making fun of the Bush family's endless problems with speaking the English language is political, then yes, you got him! And Dave is Independent btw.

For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!

And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!


I know, right! It totally sucks when other people have opinions and express them - especially when they are different from your own. I wish all people that didn't think like me would just go away!!!
RE: I never quite get why people  
Cam in MO : 5/21/2015 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12296234 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.

For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.


Because people have fragile egos and take it as a personal insult when someone doesn't agree with them, criticizes them, or challenges their ideas IMO.

It seems to come out most often with religion, politics, sport team preference, phone manufacturer, console manufacturer, and console vs PC.

The latter of course is PC and if you don't agree, you're an idiotic peasant.


RE: Fox  
Deej : 5/21/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12296476 WideRight said:
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Gave Trump's birthers fair and balanced coverage.


Please explain.
PC master race, checking in.  
GiantFilthy : 5/21/2015 1:42 pm : link
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RE: Fox  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 5/21/2015 1:48 pm : link
In comment 12296476 WideRight said:
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Gave Trump's birthers fair and balanced coverage.

Did real investigative reports on The Saddam Hussein/ Bin Laden relationship.

Did real human interest stories on the Koch brothers and the tea party.

Were first to scoop on McGreevy's boyfriend.

Give equal time to both the White and Sarah Palin on trending poltical issues.

Call out John Stewart for who he is - a comedian


The other network are pure partisians - only out there to promote their agenda and make a buck


Really nailed the user name
It's so BBI that this would become a political thread  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2015 1:54 pm : link
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Fox scooped the McGreevy story?  
Deej : 5/21/2015 1:55 pm : link
I thought McGreevy broke it himself. What's the source on that?
I always hated his crowd  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 2:10 pm : link
the way they clapped after all of his little quips was infuriating. Really, you're gonna clap at that unfunny comment and pretend like it was genius?

He was a lot better than Leno. Leno was as generic and lame as it gets. Atleast Letterman had a unique identity and brought intelligence to the table. He's a legend and although his retirement doesn't matter to me personally, it still sucks to see it end.
RE: RE: Fox  
WideRight : 5/21/2015 2:22 pm : link
In comment 12296573 Deej said:
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Gave Trump's birthers fair and balanced coverage.




Please explain.



I have a really dry sense of humor. I get equal pleasure out of the joke and that others don't always get it.
I think Letterman would appreciate that...  
WideRight : 5/21/2015 2:28 pm : link
As a top ten reasons Fox is fair and balanced

correction

Gave equal time to the White House and Sarah Palin on trending political issues.
Dave devolved  
NNJ Tom : 5/21/2015 3:14 pm : link
into an angry old leftist.

His early shows on NBC were comic gold.

Not having Chris Elliot on was a mistake, like not giving the ball to Walter Payton, inside the 5, in the Superbowl.

RE: His last show  
Section331 : 5/21/2015 3:16 pm : link
In comment 12295864 Bill in UT said:
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for me was at least 5 years ago. What a hateful guy if you had different politics.


Why is he a hateful guy? I know a bunch of people who worked for him at one time or another, and each one of them said he was a great guy - quick to give praise to others when things went well, and just as quick to take blame when things went wrong.

Yeah, what a dick. Unless you have different politics.
Dave who?  
sphinx : 5/21/2015 10:53 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
You really missed the Point Mike from Ohio ...  
Blue9 : 5/22/2015 11:06 am : link
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I know, right! It totally sucks when other people have opinions and express them - especially when they are different from your own. I wish all people that didn't think like me would just go away!!!


which was: keep politics out of it. Eric has even banned such talk from this site many times because it is so polarizing. People aren't clicking on this thread to talk politics. You are entitled to your opinion, and in doing so I think you revealed how ignorant you are on the topic of this thread. Your earlier post on here wondering why everyone is making such a bid deal about Letterman retiring is Evidence A ... Regardless of political affiliation, or whether or not you liked him or not, your questioning the significance of him retiring and why it is getting this kind of coverage reflects poorly on you. That much is true.

Time to put your Asshat back on!!
RE: RE: ugh! How did this devolve into talk of Politics ...  
Blue9 : 5/22/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12296541 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 12296448 Blue9 said:


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Why come on a thread about a Late Show legend retiring and bash him? If you don't care for him, why click on this thread and start spewing BS about David being too political — holy shit! What crap! If making fun of the Bush family's endless problems with speaking the English language is political, then yes, you got him! And Dave is Independent btw.

For those of us who love the show and Dave, the finale, and the last few weeks for that matter, have been a wonderful walk down memory lane. I'm going to miss the show!!

And for the rest of you, go ruin some other thread with political talk, which to me the ultimate black hole for online discussion boards - ugh!



I know, right! It totally sucks when other people have opinions and express them - especially when they are different from your own. I wish all people that didn't think like me would just go away!!!


you totally missed my point, which was: keep politics out of it. Eric has even banned such talk from this site many times because it is so polarizing. People aren't clicking on this thread to talk politics. You are entitled to your opinion, and in doing so I think you revealed how ignorant you are on the topic of this thread. Your earlier post on here wondering why everyone is making such a big deal about Letterman retiring is Evidence A ... Regardless of political affiliation, or whether or not you liked him or not, your questioning the significance of him retiring and why it is getting this kind of coverage reflects poorly on you. That much is true.

Time to put your Asshat back on!!




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