but I never did understand why he was such a big deal. I watched some in the early 90s and never thought his monologues were very funny and that he was OK at interviewing celebrities, but nothing special.
Gee a late night host who has thoughts and political ideas.
but I never did understand why he was such a big deal. I watched some in the early 90s and never thought his monologues were very funny and that he was OK at interviewing celebrities, but nothing special.
Watch the 80s stuff - that's the really excellent material. His wit and comedic timing were just on another level.
I never watched Leno, just couldn't stand him. I disagree with you about Carson. I stopped watching him when he seemed to on have the Duke, Hope and Heston on. He was more to the right than I like.
But hey we are all Giant fans!!
I never watched Leno, just couldn't stand him. I disagree with you about Carson. I stopped watching him when he seemed to on have the Duke, Hope and Heston on. He was more to the right than I like.
But hey we are all Giant fans!!
The three men you mention were giants in the entertainment industry. Chould Carson have not had them on? One of them marched with MLK. Another spent many hours of his life trying to bring relief and joy to men who were in very difficult situations overseas in wartime. And they were such an affront that you stopped watching? I say this with frankness, not anger: maybe your own stridency is part of the problem.
I'm too young to remember Carson, but Leno said that Carson told him that once you choose sides, you've lost half your audience.
haven't watched in years, but I don't watch those late night talk shows unless it was a great interview or bit and then I just you tube it the next day or so. Like a couple of you, I loved watching him in college in the mid to late 80's. He was always the favorite of our generation. I still remember a monologue back then: he was in Vegas doing a week of shows and he tells this joke where this guy outside a casino is begging with this whole story about his wife being sick and he desperately needed money for an operation or she would die. Dave says "How do i know you won't use this money to gamble? and the guy says "Oh I got gambling money!"
It was one of those lines that made us laugh our ass off. He used it randomly for months. We must have said it to each other 1000 times.
said that he was working on a joke for a year, and when he told it on Letterman's show, Dave made a spontaneous riff on it that improved it greatly, and he realized what a comedic mind Dave had.
I honestly never thought about that let alone noticed anything to turn me off from the show. I remember when Dave used to guest host the Tonight Show back in the day and I'd always make it a point to check it out as I was a fan of his comedy. When he moved to that brief morning show on NBC I would try to check it out when I could but when they moved him to late, late night...I went to College and it became a staple with bongs at midnight, ha!! Believe it or not, when Dave first came on the scene, he was the closest thing to SNL (good SNL, that is) there was at the time and it was a very refreshing, edgy humor for a younger generation vs. the buttoned up Tonight Show.
His (very good) NBC show was more niche comedy. When he moved to CBS, the show was intended for a broader audience, but Letterman never really seemed comfortable or very good at it.
The production of the CBS show became terrible, too. The audience wouldn't laugh at jokes -- they would clap for them. It slowed down the pace of the show and was pretty annoying. And the excessive commercial breaks made an NFL game broadcast seem like it had flow, in comparison.
And on top of all that, I happen to believe that this style of show is dead. I can't believe how many of them still exist. B-rate and C-rate hosts doing scripted interviews with B-rate and C-rate entertainers, with a desk, a chair, and a house band. Is there really a young audience for this stuff anymore? I had no idea who followed Letterman on CBS until Tuesday night. I watched the first 10 minutes. Oh my God...spectacularly unfunny show.
FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
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I can't believe anyone actually thinks ABC, CBS, and NBC is actual news anymore.
I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.
Those who criticize FOX never watch it.
I agree.
I actually tend to watch BBC more than anything here, because it tends to just tell the news.
The problem is, the people who complain about Fox are usually complaining about the opinion shows like Hannity or O'Reilly.
Although I am a former Journalism major, I am far from an expert (as I have not worked in the industry). That being said, I DO turn on Fox for Bret Baier, as I think he is the most straight forward and factual news person on television.
Holy crap? Yeah, BO's healthcare ideas have been rallied around with enthusiasm (for example). And did you mean Bill Clinton? His worst offense was the lewinsky affair which was covered instead of real news for about 6 months.
Hillary Clinton? The emails? I think all news outfits are covering it when there's info available and her office hasn't been disclosing much. if you think there's news to be had there and a news agency isn't covering it due to their leanings as opposed to wanting ratings then I don't think you know how TV works. Ratings rule.
I enjoyed his show at NBC as a kid, but never really followed it to CBS for long. Late Night was a really good, innovative show, but the more conventional 11:30 talk show celebrity meet & greets just dont speak to me. Moreover, neither he nor Leno had the gravitas of Carson. But when I did catch either of them it seemed like Dave was at least having a good time, whereas Leno was doing some corporate-hollywood marketing with the more plastic celebrities.
I did think his last episode was a really great way to go out. It was intimate without being schmaltzy.
let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
really this thread gets hijacked by those who think Dave is to liberal
anyway I thought last night was a great final show
it is not maudlin or sentimental in any way
but classy and funny.
I really respect that Dave gave screen time to not just the biggest stars but also quirky guest he had on that made his show so special
particularly Andy Kaufman who was always brilliant on Letterman.
really this thread gets hijacked by those who think Dave is to liberal
anyway I thought last night was a great final show
it is not maudlin or sentimental in any way
but classy and funny.
I really respect that Dave gave screen time to not just the biggest stars but also quirky guest he had on that made his show so special
particularly Andy Kaufman who was always brilliant on Letterman.
Were there any Chris Eliot sightings?
I didn't see Chris Elliot outside of some quick flashbacks
let politics dictate their choice of entertainment...certainly watch what you want, of course, but depriving yourself of enjoyment out of spite seems to more your problem than the celebrity in question.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
if I let that happen I'd only be listening to country music and watching old westerns.
because of Letterman's longevity, and the significance of his show back in the 80s, but how many people still watch his show regularly? I guess what I am getting at is whether this is a big deal because it is semi-historic, or will people actually miss have Letterman's show to watch?
I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention anything funny or relevant they saw on the show. It seems many who watch it do so out of routine more than anything else. Granted I am not a fan - of his or any of the late night shows. I am just trying to figure out why his last show is particularly significant.
FOX is obviously right-leaning. And their evening line-up can be painful (O'Reilly, Hanity).
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
Spot on analysis. Allowing the conservative viewpoint to be expressed at all is what has gotten Fox labeled as a radical and far right network.
reminded me of how much I enjoyed Dave back in the early 90s. But then the whole thing got stale.
Of course, nothing was as good as Late Night. Being on an hour earlier just removed some of the best, most bizarre stuff. Same thing happened to Conan, and he's only now getting over it (because no one ever sees him on TBS).
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Or maybe just the politics was too crazy for any sane man to support.
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is there a hotter 50+ year old woman as Julie Louis-Dreyfus? Fuck man, she can still get it. Sexy as hell.
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JLD's career went from this
to the famous cover of Rolling Stone from last year.
It feels like a significant, and somewhat historic career arc for women in comedy. Or really, I guess, for comedians in general.
Watch the 80s stuff - that's the really excellent material. His wit and comedic timing were just on another level.
I love Dave, but Carson and Leno made a point not to pick sides. Dave did, and it turned many people off.
I am nostalgic for his retirement, though. He was part of my youth.
He himself admits that he became a "regular" talk show host.
Did Chris Eliot appear at all the last two weeks? Love that knucklehead.
But hey we are all Giant fans!!
It moved in the 90s, and he wasn't very political.
Other than that, nailed it.
But hey we are all Giant fans!!
The three men you mention were giants in the entertainment industry. Chould Carson have not had them on? One of them marched with MLK. Another spent many hours of his life trying to bring relief and joy to men who were in very difficult situations overseas in wartime. And they were such an affront that you stopped watching? I say this with frankness, not anger: maybe your own stridency is part of the problem.
I'm too young to remember Carson, but Leno said that Carson told him that once you choose sides, you've lost half your audience.
It was one of those lines that made us laugh our ass off. He used it randomly for months. We must have said it to each other 1000 times.
Here's one of my favorites, with Denzel Washington - ( New Window )
Link - ( New Window )
The production of the CBS show became terrible, too. The audience wouldn't laugh at jokes -- they would clap for them. It slowed down the pace of the show and was pretty annoying. And the excessive commercial breaks made an NFL game broadcast seem like it had flow, in comparison.
And on top of all that, I happen to believe that this style of show is dead. I can't believe how many of them still exist. B-rate and C-rate hosts doing scripted interviews with B-rate and C-rate entertainers, with a desk, a chair, and a house band. Is there really a young audience for this stuff anymore? I had no idea who followed Letterman on CBS until Tuesday night. I watched the first 10 minutes. Oh my God...spectacularly unfunny show.
I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.
Those who criticize FOX never watch it.
I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.
Those who criticize FOX never watch it.
Fox pleads fair and balanced and are pretty far right by design.
That is worse than the fact that a news story might have a subjective take given the commentator's personal inclinations.
Fox is purposely slanted and then lies about fair coverage.
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.
Those who criticize FOX never watch it.
I agree.
I actually tend to watch BBC more than anything here, because it tends to just tell the news.
The problem is, the people who complain about Fox are usually complaining about the opinion shows like Hannity or O'Reilly.
Although I am a former Journalism major, I am far from an expert (as I have not worked in the industry). That being said, I DO turn on Fox for Bret Baier, as I think he is the most straight forward and factual news person on television.
Hillary Clinton? The emails? I think all news outfits are covering it when there's info available and her office hasn't been disclosing much. if you think there's news to be had there and a news agency isn't covering it due to their leanings as opposed to wanting ratings then I don't think you know how TV works. Ratings rule.
I see a ton of criticism of the right on FOX. I see no even-handed criticism of the left on the other networks.
Those who criticize FOX never watch it.
This seems like the basis for talk radio too. Get the real truth, all that. They have their hardcore base that they'll seemingly never lose.
It's a shame they can't do a better job of informing their viewers for all the hours of viewing they get.
And the right thinks the left is stupid.
We get that. That's the problem.
And the right thinks the left is stupid.
We get that. That's the problem.
The left didn't do the study, Bruce Bartlett did.
I did think his last episode was a really great way to go out. It was intimate without being schmaltzy.
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
And the right thinks the left is stupid.
We get that. That's the problem.
And both are just galled by the middle. Pick a team!
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
Absolutely.
He really does come off very arrogant, but I laughed a good amount.
anyway I thought last night was a great final show
it is not maudlin or sentimental in any way
but classy and funny.
I really respect that Dave gave screen time to not just the biggest stars but also quirky guest he had on that made his show so special
particularly Andy Kaufman who was always brilliant on Letterman.
anyway I thought last night was a great final show
it is not maudlin or sentimental in any way
but classy and funny.
I really respect that Dave gave screen time to not just the biggest stars but also quirky guest he had on that made his show so special
particularly Andy Kaufman who was always brilliant on Letterman.
Were there any Chris Eliot sightings?
For example, Sean Penn is as misguided as they come, but he is astonishingly talented actor who I would watch the read the phone book...not sure why people can't disaccoiate the performance from the person.
if I let that happen I'd only be listening to country music and watching old westerns.
hey, at least I'd have sports!
I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention anything funny or relevant they saw on the show. It seems many who watch it do so out of routine more than anything else. Granted I am not a fan - of his or any of the late night shows. I am just trying to figure out why his last show is particularly significant.
But their regular news show is pretty mainstream.
I you actually watch the bulk of their shows, they have a lot of liberal guests who are very good. And when they interview Republicans, they don't pull punches (see Chris Wallace's recent interview with Rubio for example).
My problem with the other networks? They have completely given Obama and Clinton a pass on EVERYTHING. It's astounding.
Prefer to take this offline if you are interested e-mail me.
Spot on analysis. Allowing the conservative viewpoint to be expressed at all is what has gotten Fox labeled as a radical and far right network.
Of course, nothing was as good as Late Night. Being on an hour earlier just removed some of the best, most bizarre stuff. Same thing happened to Conan, and he's only now getting over it (because no one ever sees him on TBS).
Still, can't wait for Colbert!!!