Pretty much thought only 2 things were "sure" prior to the season, Beaty at OLT and Richburg at OC. So now we are down to 1...
IMO the first option is to put the "aircraft carrier" top 10 draft pick, Ereck Flowers, at OLT and see if he sinks or swims. Mostly because the 1st problem with OL rookies is they are not yet up to "manly man" strength for the NFL - and simply stated this is NOT Flowers' problem, not hardly. Strength wise this kid was ready to start in the NFL yesterday. Not sure if his aerobic condition is yet there, but with more than 3 months till opening, it will be, most likely. His techniques are raw for a 3 year college starter, but hey, he will learn on the job. No way to learn faster!
If Flowers floats at OLT as long as Beatty is out, Pugh stays put at ORT, Schwartz at ORG, WR at OC and in all likelihood Jerry at OLG, since Flowers really almost surely must have a vet next to him. Frankly I think throwing Jerry next to the rookie Flowers may be beneficial for both: Jerry might absorb a little of Flowers' attitude and intensity, while the role of mentoring Flowers re play responsibilities might help keep Jerry's head in the game - which seems as if it one of Jerry's biggest problems. More than most here, I think Jerry has ability. At the least, he's a very big man who can move quite well for his size.
2nd option I gather it's Newhouse starting at one or another of the OT positions. I mean, that's what he was brought in for, OT depth, right? Is he a better or worse option as a "5th OL" than Newhouse? I haven't the foggiest.
I could go on but honestly I'd be flailing in the dark. I think the Giants would be well served to make as few "moves" as possible re shuffling guys to new positions (like moving Pugh to OLT or inside to OG) now that Beatty is gone for 1/3 of the season or more.
Apparently the depth chart for 2015 at Giants.com won't be listed until training camp...
I like Beatty more than most here, partly because he's an interesting guy. But if Flowers floats at OLT, Beatty could very well end up "Wally Pipped."
I share your thoughts on Jerry. I also have hopes for Jones; he may surprise--he's a worker, lunch pail, motivated guy with some AA. On a different thread, a poster doubted it was because of Beatty's not-yet-disclosed injury/surgery (completed or not) that EFlow was being worked at LT. Seems like a logical move.
As I posted in another thread, I think Pugh is ready at his natural position of LOT as he played there all 4 years in college. He will surprise a few people if healthy this year.
I think Flowers vs. Schwartz wins ROT, the loser moves to guard along with Jerry.
In the end we see Pugh-Flowers-Richburg-Jerry-Schwartz to start the year. Not sure if Jerry or Flowers will be on the left or right though.
I think he's better than Jerry and he's going to figure in that line somewhere.
Flowers Pugh Richburg Schwartz ?? Or
Flowers ?? Richburg Schwartz Pugh
I think we bring in a vet maybe a Jake long or a June 1 cut
Jerry, Jones, or Hart (OLG)
Richburg (C)
Schwartz (ORG)
Flowers (ORT)
I'm hoping Jones or Hart beat out Jerry for a guard spot. We are supposedly more of a quick release offense now so Eli should be getting rid of the ball faster. His 2nd year in will hopefully improve that as well.
With 2 big guys in Schwartz and Flowers on the right side, that should be the best direction to try and run the ball. This should also help Pugh and ??? on the left side.
None of this accounts for anybody that Reese may pick up.
Are you math challenged? The injury yesterday was cited to require a 5 month recovery/ rehab. June, July, august, sept, Oct 20 should be the target for Beatty's return. Look up the game schedule; he should be back for the Cowboys week seven.
It's not difficult to count.
Jerry, Jones, or Hart (OLG)
Richburg (C)
Schwartz (ORG)
Flowers (ORT)
I'm hoping Jones or Hart beat out Jerry for a guard spot. We are supposedly more of a quick release offense now so Eli should be getting rid of the ball faster. His 2nd year in will hopefully improve that as well.
With 2 big guys in Schwartz and Flowers on the right side, that should be the best direction to try and run the ball. This should also help Pugh and ??? on the left side.
None of this accounts for anybody that Reese may pick up.
Think that's it, at this point, as well.
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Try 1-10. At least.
Are you math challenged? The injury yesterday was cited to require a 5 month recovery/ rehab. June, July, august, sept, Oct 20 should be the target for Beatty's return. Look up the game schedule; he should be back for the Cowboys week seven.
It's not difficult to count.
Even at that, if the OL is playing solid I don't see Beatty getting back in the lineup.
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Try 1-10. At least.
Are you math challenged? The injury yesterday was cited to require a 5 month recovery/ rehab. June, July, august, sept, Oct 20 should be the target for Beatty's return. Look up the game schedule; he should be back for the Cowboys week seven.
It's not difficult to count.
When they say 5-6 months, you can bet on 6. That's the typical recovery time.
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Pugh (OLT)
Jerry, Jones, or Hart (OLG)
Richburg (C)
Schwartz (ORG)
Flowers (ORT)
I'm hoping Jones or Hart beat out Jerry for a guard spot. We are supposedly more of a quick release offense now so Eli should be getting rid of the ball faster. His 2nd year in will hopefully improve that as well.
With 2 big guys in Schwartz and Flowers on the right side, that should be the best direction to try and run the ball. This should also help Pugh and ??? on the left side.
None of this accounts for anybody that Reese may pick up.
Think that's it, at this point, as well.
I've modified my thinking over the past day or two. Obviously it will be based on what they see in the preseason, but I know would be tiliting towards:
Flowers - LT (throw him in there)
Pugh - LG
Richburg - C
Schwartz - RG
Newhouse - RT (at least he has starting experience)
I think if Flowers can hold up, and being a highly talented top 10 pick I think he should pick things up quickly, this lineup sets us up the best for the 2nd half of the season.
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In comment 12296027 jeff57 said:
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Try 1-10. At least.
Are you math challenged? The injury yesterday was cited to require a 5 month recovery/ rehab. June, July, august, sept, Oct 20 should be the target for Beatty's return. Look up the game schedule; he should be back for the Cowboys week seven.
It's not difficult to count.
When they say 5-6 months, you can bet on 6. That's the typical recovery time.
- Holy Cow! Beatty's surgeon is estimating that Beatty can return to the field in the early part of mid November - so by my math that's at least 10 games he's going to miss -- but it appears that Blue Lou has some inside info that refutes his surgeon in this thread - Nice.
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Try 1-10. At least.
Are you math challenged? The injury yesterday was cited to require a 5 month recovery/ rehab. June, July, august, sept, Oct 20 should be the target for Beatty's return. Look up the game schedule; he should be back for the Cowboys week seven.
It's not difficult to count.
Except, of course the PUP list rules require the player sit out 8 weeks minimum and give the team 3 weeks after that to activate them.
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Pugh (OLT)
Jerry, Jones, or Hart (OLG)
Richburg (C)
Schwartz (ORG)
Flowers (ORT)
I'm hoping Jones or Hart beat out Jerry for a guard spot. We are supposedly more of a quick release offense now so Eli should be getting rid of the ball faster. His 2nd year in will hopefully improve that as well.
With 2 big guys in Schwartz and Flowers on the right side, that should be the best direction to try and run the ball. This should also help Pugh and ??? on the left side.
None of this accounts for anybody that Reese may pick up.
Think that's it, at this point, as well.''
Pugh may make a better OLT than ORT or G. He has some feet and balance, that bodes well.
And positions are not on a ladder, its not a graduated situation, each position is simply different from the others.
Look at Deihl, his best play by far was at OLT, no guard or ORT.
Pugh to LT easily makes the most sense at this juncture, and then you just have to figure out who the LG is. Should be a 3 man battle between Jerry (to BBI's dismay he's probably the favorite due to experience), Brett Jones, and Bobby Hart. Maybe Mosley finally stays healthy and shows something. This injury sucks, but shouldn't be as much of a back breaker as some folks are indicating.
Pugh to LT easily makes the most sense at this juncture, and then you just have to figure out who the LG is. Should be a 3 man battle between Jerry (to BBI's dismay he's probably the favorite due to experience), Brett Jones, and Bobby Hart. Maybe Mosley finally stays healthy and shows something. This injury sucks, but shouldn't be as much of a back breaker as some folks are indicating.
It makes no sense to use short term IR, which is intended for players hurt after the season starts and can be used only once per year, when you have the PUP option available.
guy's a top 10 pick. there's a learning curve but this kid brings lots to the table right away. in many ways he blows beatty out of the water as soon as he steps on the field. giants will have to gameplan accordingly but thats pro football
give him help in the protection schemes and run behind him. let it rip
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Makes the most sense to go that route. BEST case scenario he is available late October, but will probably want to practice a week or 2 before playing. I would be floored if he played before our 9th game.
Pugh to LT easily makes the most sense at this juncture, and then you just have to figure out who the LG is. Should be a 3 man battle between Jerry (to BBI's dismay he's probably the favorite due to experience), Brett Jones, and Bobby Hart. Maybe Mosley finally stays healthy and shows something. This injury sucks, but shouldn't be as much of a back breaker as some folks are indicating.
It makes no sense to use short term IR, which is intended for players hurt after the season starts and can be used only once per year, when you have the PUP option available.
OK you're right...PUP makes most sense. Regardless, I don't see him being ready to play after week 6. Mid-November is probably more realistic.
guy's a top 10 pick. there's a learning curve but this kid brings lots to the table right away. in many ways he blows beatty out of the water as soon as he steps on the field. giants will have to gameplan accordingly but thats pro football
give him help in the protection schemes and run behind him. let it rip
No, he does not blow Beatty out of the water right away, the kid hasn't seen any NFL action yet.
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If there is more recent or updated news, I will be happily or unhappily corrected, but please don't just pull dates or recovery time frames out if your asses as if those are facts and not farts.