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NJ.com: Giants spotlight turns to ... John Jerry?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 8:17 am
Decent article. However, I wish the sports writers would stop using PFF stats...anyone who actually watched the team last year could see John Jerry's issues were more in pass protection (particularly on stunts, blitzes).


Giants spotlight turns to ... John Jerry? - ( New Window )
what  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 8:24 am : link
sucks about this too is it probably means that Parker will not be able to be moved to right guard.
I thought Jerry  
Big Blue '56 : 5/21/2015 8:24 am : link
improved towards the end..If inserted at OLG, I'd enjoy the BBI meltdown, but i wouldn't be all that concerned while Beatty recovers
RE: what  
Big Blue '56 : 5/21/2015 8:25 am : link
In comment 12295963 Eric from BBI said:
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sucks about this too is it probably means that Parker will not be able to be moved to right guard.


Parker?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 8:25 am : link
Schwartz
Preston Parker on the OL?  
mattlawson : 5/21/2015 8:31 am : link
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RE: what  
giants#1 : 5/21/2015 8:33 am : link
In comment 12295963 Eric from BBI said:
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sucks about this too is it probably means that Parker will not be able to be moved to right guard.


That was my first thought too. Isn't Jerry primarily a RG?
I know we're in a tough spot,  
Enoch : 5/21/2015 8:34 am : link
but bring Glenn Parker back is not the answer.
I'm going all in on Bamiro at RT!!!  
yatqb : 5/21/2015 8:37 am : link
YEAH, BABY!!!

(We are SO fucked!)
Thought Schwartz  
Doomster : 5/21/2015 8:37 am : link
was a wide receiver?
Pretty  
AcidTest : 5/21/2015 8:37 am : link
sad that we have to rely on Jerry to this extent. I assume that doesn't mean he'll replace Beatty, but that he'll snag one of the guard spots.

Pugh.
Jerry.
Richburg.
Schwartz.
Flowers.

Pugh has never played LT in the NFL. Jerry was bad last year. Richbug has never played center in the NFL. Schwartz barely played at all last year. Flowers is a rookie. Everyone else is a JAG.
RE: I know we're in a tough spot,  
I Love Clams Casino : 5/21/2015 8:38 am : link
In comment 12295981 Enoch said:
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but bring Glenn Parker back is not the answer.


ha! First thing I thought too....that was a good line....not quite good enough, but better than we have now
Eric's opening comment was interesting  
Ivan15 : 5/21/2015 8:43 am : link
I wish I knew how the Giants grade Jerry.

I think the Giants need to reshuffle the line in a way that is best going to fit a new plan next year. Didn't Beatty have another significant injury 2 seasons ago? Didn't it take him longer than the original estimate to recover?

Might as well count Beatty out for this year, rebuild the line so it doesn't need to be completely reshuffled for 2016, and move forward.

Who is the best LT candidate for this year (Pugh) and the long term (Pugh or Flowers)? Who is the best RT candidate for this year (Flowers or Schwartz) and the long term (Flowers)? Who are the best guards? Schwartz and somebody (Jerry, Jones, Mosley, Hart).

Going forward, the line should be LT Pugh, LG somebody, C Richburg, RG Schwartz, RT Flowers.
Conclusion from Acid Test: Jerry is the Giants most reliable lineman  
Ivan15 : 5/21/2015 8:45 am : link
No one else can be counted on.
Another option would be  
Andy in Halifax : 5/21/2015 8:58 am : link
Flowers-Pugh-Richberg-Jerry-Schwartz

If there plan is Flowers at LT, this keeps 3/5ths of the line where they want it to be, and those three are the core of the unit now. Not saying its my preferred option, or the most likely, only that it may be a possibility, especially if Flowers is a home run.
Its a big risk  
Beer Man : 5/21/2015 9:11 am : link
to ask a rookie OT to protect our franchise QB's blind side. Pugh might be the better choice at LT as it will involve less re-shuffling when Will B. returns
Is there cap money  
Arkbach : 5/21/2015 9:25 am : link
to sign a discarded veteran?
Who's the last rookie to step in to LT and actually do well?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2015 9:36 am : link
Joe Thomas?
Someone please post the Michael Scott  
Mr. Bungle : 5/21/2015 9:51 am : link
"NOOOOOOO!!!" gif.
Disagree...  
dguy901 : 5/21/2015 10:04 am : link
Jerry sucked when he filled in at ROT, just atrocious! Pugh played LOT in college and may be more suited to that side than ROT. I have concerns with Newhouse starting at LOT and, unless Flowers shines big time, I expect it to be Pugh @ LOT and Flowers at ROT. I have a feeling Herman will be the favoriite at OG with Schwartz. We also have Bamiro who just went from long-shot to having a good chance to make the final 53. IMHO.
RE: Disagree...  
dguy901 : 5/21/2015 10:07 am : link
In comment 12296171 dguy901 said:
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Jerry sucked when he filled in at ROT, just atrocious! Pugh played LOT in college and may be more suited to that side than ROT. I have concerns with Newhouse starting at LOT and, unless Flowers shines big time, I expect it to be Pugh @ LOT and Flowers at ROT. I have a feeling Herman will be the favoriite at OG with Schwartz. We also have Bamiro who just went from long-shot to having a good chance to make the final 53. IMHO.

Meant to add, Jones should make the team as the B/U OC and I question whether or not Jerry has a real chance of making it. We will see!
RE: I thought Jerry  
chris r : 5/21/2015 10:12 am : link
In comment 12295964 Big Blue '56 said:
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improved towards the end..If inserted at OLG, I'd enjoy the BBI meltdown, but i wouldn't be all that concerned while Beatty recovers


John Jerry has a well established career tracker record for mediocrity. Its odd that you'd ignore that for a few good games and be so confident in him.
RE: I'm going all in on Bamiro at RT!!!  
OC2.0 : 5/21/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12295989 yatqb said:
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YEAH, BABY!!!

(We are SO fucked!)


Feel free to jump now.
RE: RE: I thought Jerry  
Big Blue '56 : 5/21/2015 11:00 am : link
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improved towards the end..If inserted at OLG, I'd enjoy the BBI meltdown, but i wouldn't be all that concerned while Beatty recovers



John Jerry has a well established career tracker record for mediocrity. Its odd that you'd ignore that for a few good games and be so confident in him.


Not confident in him per se..Just inserting him IF NECESSARY is not the calamity many claim it is..You can win with a journeyman on the OL, as long as the OL is not all or mostly comprised of journeyman..
journeymen  
Big Blue '56 : 5/21/2015 11:00 am : link
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They need to sign someone.  
Curtis in VA : 5/21/2015 11:11 am : link
The backups on this OL are so awful that they wouldnt have an NFL career at all if they didnt play here. There has to be one or two decent Shawn Locklear types out there to sign for a year.
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chris r : 5/21/2015 11:11 am : link
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improved towards the end..If inserted at OLG, I'd enjoy the BBI meltdown, but i wouldn't be all that concerned while Beatty recovers



John Jerry has a well established career tracker record for mediocrity. Its odd that you'd ignore that for a few good games and be so confident in him.



Not confident in him per se..Just inserting him IF NECESSARY is not the calamity many claim it is..You can win with a journeyman on the OL, as long as the OL is not all or mostly comprised of journeyman..


You can, but you'd rather not obviously. Such is life.
What is the story on Brandon Mosley?  
bt : 5/21/2015 11:22 am : link
Is he hurt (back)? Could he finally live up to his potential? At one time, he was considered as a starter. Very little news about him.
RE: RE: RE: I thought Jerry  
nicky43 : 5/21/2015 11:36 am : link
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improved towards the end..If inserted at OLG, I'd enjoy the BBI meltdown, but i wouldn't be all that concerned while Beatty recovers



John Jerry has a well established career tracker record for mediocrity. Its odd that you'd ignore that for a few good games and be so confident in him.



Not confident in him per se..Just inserting him IF NECESSARY is not the calamity many claim it is..You can win with a journeyman on the OL, as long as the OL is not all or mostly comprised of journeyman..


I have a lot of respect for your opinions BB56 so I have to ask:
The situation with a rooky Flowers, Richburgh who has not played center in the NFL yet, Schwartz being injured most of 2014, and Jerry being not so great doesn't scare you? And as it was last year the OL could not give us a running game. I'm not a doom and gloom type of guy but I think this OL has been in very sad shape for three years now. So bad that I could not have any expectations for us presenting a good offense those years.

I thought we made good moves in the draft but knew we were one injury away from being in OL hell again. I sure wish I could be as comfortable about this as you are.
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Big Blue '56 : 5/21/2015 12:12 pm : link
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improved towards the end..If inserted at OLG, I'd enjoy the BBI meltdown, but i wouldn't be all that concerned while Beatty recovers



John Jerry has a well established career tracker record for mediocrity. Its odd that you'd ignore that for a few good games and be so confident in him.



Not confident in him per se..Just inserting him IF NECESSARY is not the calamity many claim it is..You can win with a journeyman on the OL, as long as the OL is not all or mostly comprised of journeyman..



I have a lot of respect for your opinions BB56 so I have to ask:
The situation with a rooky Flowers, Richburgh who has not played center in the NFL yet, Schwartz being injured most of 2014, and Jerry being not so great doesn't scare you? And as it was last year the OL could not give us a running game. I'm not a doom and gloom type of guy but I think this OL has been in very sad shape for three years now. So bad that I could not have any expectations for us presenting a good offense those years.

I thought we made good moves in the draft but knew we were one injury away from being in OL hell again. I sure wish I could be as comfortable about this as you are.


Nicky, not really, honestly..Most of us here felt Flowers would be our starting ORT from the get-go..Will he? I believe so..Schwartz is healthy from what I understand and he's a good player. Steady..Yes, Richburg played G last year and showed some good signs..His natural position is C, so I really have no fear there..Pugh has played OLT and should acquit himself well, imo..If Diehl can survive at OLT, Pugh, who is more athletic, should be ok..

Do I know for sure? Of course not..Perhaps the bulb hoes on for Mosley..Perhaps Jones makes enough of an impression to kick Richburg back to G..

I have more confidence in this OL starting the season than I did last year once Schwartz went down..

My major concern as always are debilitating injuries
RE: what  
JordanRaanan : 5/21/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12295963 Eric from BBI said:
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sucks about this too is it probably means that Parker will not be able to be moved to right guard.



Eric, if the PFF stats don't back up my thinking, I won't use them. I disagree with you on this one. Aside from the 49ers game (which was an utter disaster and with Charles Brown at RT) I thought his pass blocking was serviceable.
Jordan...  
Hades07 : 5/21/2015 12:28 pm : link
...none of what Jerry did last year was serviceable. He peaked at inadequate last season.
I'd try the CFL kid first  
David B. : 5/21/2015 1:17 pm : link
Seriously. Wouldn't "the best OL in the CFL" be better than John Jerry?
thank god it happened now...  
grizz299 : 5/21/2015 1:20 pm : link
We're gonna fashion something good out of this...

Jerry has talent. He's big and they say his feet are good enuf to play tackle.
The stuff that was going on with the Off. line in Miami speaks of bad coaching. The guy missed pre season, came in and didn't miss a down. His pass blocking was rated very good. He had Walton on his left and an injured Pugh on his right....

Is it possible that a year of good coaching and stronger players around him produces a very good pass blocker and an adequate run blocker.? The Grizz Ball says ....Yes.
Not only possible , but more likely than not.
Jordan  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 1:24 pm : link
I'd have to go back and look at my game reviews, but my overall impression was that Jerry struggled in pass protection a lot especially on stunts. While Walton got manhandled, Jerry and Pugh were often left blocking one guy while the stunting lineman had a clear shot at Eli. Richburg had some issues with this too, but that's more understandable given his rookie status.

The Giants running game was so bad across the board, I'm not sure how anyone can single out Jerry for the problem.
Jordan  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 1:27 pm : link
a whole lot went wrong on this play, but here is one example from Jacksonville. Jerry doesn't get physically beat, but a guy just blows right past him...


that was more so the te than jerry on that play  
micky : 5/21/2015 1:43 pm : link
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BB56  
nicky43 : 5/21/2015 1:53 pm : link
I'm still concerned but I do appreciate your response.

RE: Jordan  
nicky43 : 5/21/2015 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12296562 Eric from BBI said:
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I'd have to go back and look at my game reviews, but my overall impression was that Jerry struggled in pass protection a lot especially on stunts. While Walton got manhandled, Jerry and Pugh were often left blocking one guy while the stunting lineman had a clear shot at Eli. Richburg had some issues with this too, but that's more understandable given his rookie status.

The Giants running game was so bad across the board, I'm not sure how anyone can single out Jerry for the problem.


You are right about Walton getting manhandled but my complaint about him was that he would disengage from the play too soon. The play would still be evolving around him while he often just stood there.
Just about everyone was at fault  
JFIB : 5/21/2015 2:04 pm : link
In that Gif. From the Center to the TE on the right side.
As  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 3:15 pm : link
I said above, a bunch of things went wrong on that play. But Jerry was one of them and that was not unusual for him in my opinion. His problem - in my mind - is not physical, it's mental.
here is  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 3:34 pm : link
one game review where John Jerry struggled...
Game Review: New York Giants at Seattle Seahawks, November 9, 2014 - ( New Window )
and  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2015 3:36 pm : link
as Jordan said...Jerry was atrocious against the 49ers...
Game Review: San Francisco 49ers at New York Giants, November 16, 2014 - ( New Window )
I don't know how one could have watched  
Modus Operandi : 5/21/2015 3:47 pm : link
Jerry last season and describe his play as "serviceable". I think a more apt description would be doo doo.
When you're weak at Center and RT, it is extremely difficult  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2015 3:51 pm : link
to get anything good from RG. They'll ALL look bad.

Offensive lines are the sum of their parts.
RE: I don't know how one could have watched  
AcidTest : 5/21/2015 4:07 pm : link
In comment 12296874 Modus Operandi said:
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Jerry last season and describe his play as "serviceable". I think a more apt description would be doo doo.


Agree.
Damn Donnell blocking  
Mason : 5/21/2015 4:10 pm : link
RE: Damn Donnell blocking  
Klaatu : 5/21/2015 4:12 pm : link
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In the gif? That's Fells.
RE: here is  
JordanRaanan : 5/21/2015 10:01 pm : link
In comment 12296833 Eric from BBI said:
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one game review where John Jerry struggled... Game Review: New York Giants at Seattle Seahawks, November 9, 2014 - ( New Window )


Again the game vs. Seattle was another where Pugh didn't play. And while he certainly struggled (especially with blitzes and stunts), I don't think it's a coincidence it occurred with Charles Brown and James Brewer next to him.

The run blocking is a different story. IMO, he didn't finish blocks well or play with power.
Jordan, like Eric I think some of Jerry's issues  
BlueLou : 5/22/2015 2:09 am : link
re lack of tenacity or aggression are mental. You are around these guys. Would playing Jerry next to a driven young beast like Flowers help Jerry pick up his game?

Sorta like how OBJ's presence has seemed to invigorate Randle?
If there is any  
AnishPatel : 5/22/2015 2:52 am : link
siliver lining, it's that whoever takes over will have a lot of practice time and opportunity to get reps with the rest of the off season, training camp and then pre season games. So that's enough time to get enough reps and also enough time for the staff and front office to get an overall picture if we need to sign someone else.

I am not worried about pass blocking because we can do some things to allow Eli to get rid of the ball. It's run blocking that's always worried me. Hopefully whoever steps in can, with enough reps, adjust to the LT position and contribute to the running blocking without letting his man in the backfield.
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