Taking a knee on an exctra point.

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to make it a 3 point game...

In comment 12296113 J Dot1 said:

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to make it a 3 point game...

Yes, but the D can score from there as well

...but in that situation I think it is more likely they go for 2 so a FG doesn't tie. No sense in going for 1.

If up by 2, go for 1 most likely, possibly 2

Up by 3 also go for 1. No reason to go for 2.

Up by 4, go for 2 so it takes a TD plus a PAT to win

Up by 7, go for 1 to for a 2pt conversion...or even go for 2 to tie up the win then and there.

I really can't think of a score situation where kneeling would be the most likely option. Possible, sure, but not likely.

Up by 5 go for 2...I see little sense in 1

Up by 6 go for 1 or 2 depending on you confidence in the 2 pt unit.

I can't wait for that situation to occur.

Maybe they snap the ball and the holder runs the other way for a while and then runs out of bounds.

on a defensive return of a failed 2 pointer is miniscule compared to the % of getting the ball on a kickoff and getting in FG range.

If coaches are so worried about the defensive return, run the ball which would probably have a .0000001% chance of a fumble and a TD return. In fact, I think there have only been 5 TD fumble returns longer than 98 yards in the history of the NFL

can't coached scared of the highly unlikely.

In comment 12296133 Ivan15 said:

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I can't wait for that situation to occur. Maybe they snap the ball and the holder runs the other way for a while and then runs out of bounds.

No reason for the holder to run around with the ball - the clock does not run on an extra point attempt. He'd just be asking to be stripped of the ball.

Maybe if there's 5 seconds or something they might, but if there's even 20 seconds, the chance of a field goal, small though it may be, is too great to simply give up the chance to push your lead to 3.

on the extra point this year in a situation like this. not with a minute left but with a few seconds left in the game they would.

In comment 12296129 Hades07 said:

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Up by 5 go for 2...I see little sense in 1 Up by 6 go for 1 or 2 depending on you confidence in the 2 pt unit.

Up by 5 if you take the XP you force the other team to have to convert an XP to win. A TD only results in a tie. If you go for 2 and miss then a TD wins the game regardless of XP

You don't coach scared.

with a minute to go.

As FMIC said, the risk of a returned fumble recovery from the 2 yard line is minuscule compared to the odds of a team receiving the kickoff and getting into field goal range.

You go for the two point conversion 100 times out of 100.

The chance of you picking up the two points and a crucial 3 point lead is what? 40%?

But the chance of the two points going the other way is... 0.5%?

No brainer. You go for two unless you have literally the most anemic offense of all time.

In comment 12296238 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 12296129 Hades07 said: Quote: Up by 5 go for 2...I see little sense in 1 Up by 6 go for 1 or 2 depending on you confidence in the 2 pt unit. Up by 5 if you take the XP you force the other team to have to convert an XP to win. A TD only results in a tie. If you go for 2 and miss then a TD wins the game regardless of XP

Good point, didn't think of it that way.

this is a good thread..We need more like these

if you're in a scenario where you're up by four and hoping the opponent doesn't block a kick I would say you line up for two and take a knee.

be greater on a passing play in my opinion. I certainly remember more INT returns for touchdowns from a goal line play than fumble returns. Also the fumble returns I remember would be on strip sacks, however unlikely on a two point conversion. So now are you more inclined to run the ball for two point conversions? I think when someone loses a game this way, the Head Coaches will get much more conservative than some of you guys think.

Thank you.

I think a coach that take a knee in that situation to avoid the very miniscule chance of a block and return will be out of the league very, very quickly. It would be the very definition of coaching scared.

That used to be the thinking on running the ball to run out the clock before the "Miracle at the Meadowlands". If this scnenario was to play out in a Giants-Eagles game please let it be the Giants that win. I don't think I could take another Giants loss like that to the Eagles.

you desperately deserve to lose...like the Giants did that day. However, there is a huge difference between taking a knee when you have the game won, and taking a knee when the other team is getting the ball back (which nobody does now).

Let's put it this way. If a team scores a TD to go up by 1 with 30 seconds left and then takes a knee on the conversion, that coach had better pray the other team does not kick a field goal. If they do that coach likely just accelerated his transition into another line of work. He would be ridiculed all around the league and the media, and it would be justified.

In comment 12296395 wgenesis123 said:

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That used to be the thinking on running the ball to run out the clock before the "Miracle at the Meadowlands". If this scnenario was to play out in a Giants-Eagles game please let it be the Giants that win. I don't think I could take another Giants loss like that to the Eagles.

What if it meant that your team would soon win another Superbowl?

Yes, this definetly comes down to seconds left in game and the Head Coach can come out looking bad either way. It really all comes down to execution. Make the plays and you win.

If my coach was making decisions based on one freak play that happened in 1978 and has never occurred since, I think I would be looking for a new coach.

I would not trade my soul for a Super Bowl. I kind of would like to keep my heart too!

on the original thread. It's an interesting situation.

In comment 12296496 Walt in MD said:

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on the original thread. It's an interesting situation.

Again... Not to direct this at you specifically, but I don't see how this is interesting.

A 3 point lead at that juncture is absolutely crucial. Many teams would have the equivalent of a coin flip in picking up that 3 point advantage. To not go for that to avoid a catastrophe I don't think I've ever seen at any level of football with the game on the line (I've seen it in college games in less dire situations) is nutty.

the defense is going to go for an all-out block, and increase the likelihood of a block.

If I'm a head coach, I've got a fake in my back pocket for the perfect moment. Because if you overplay the kick, I'm gonna have my holder throw a quick pass to an uncovered receiver.

And after that happens for the first time, defenses will play more conservatively on the extra point, and everyone will stop freaking out about the kick getting blocked 10 times a week.

a player gets a 15 yard penalty after scoring,now you have to kick a 47 yard extra point.

For a while and seeing me that it doesn't happen to often, the risk of it happening does not out way the risk of going for any points.

In comment 12296512 tomjgiant said:

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a player gets a 15 yard penalty after scoring,now you have to kick a 47 yard extra point.

Umm, why? If you got a PF on a TD last season, they wouldn't enforce it until the ensuing kickoff.

in the scenario I presented, I think I said you just scored a TD to go up by one, with 1 second left. Interesting or not, I think you have to consider kneeling on the ball and kicking off. Obviously going for 1 makes no sense. In this scenario, going for 2 is a waste as well. The other team can only score a TD. They can't kick a FG, so going up by three is worth absolutely nothing. You are up by one, with one second left. Why give the other team a chance to score 2 points if you dont have to? No sense arguing with you about it. It's just a fact.

I just noticed that the scenario presented here and the one I presented yesterday are slightly different. The 1 minute remaining certainly changes everything.

In comment 12296512 tomjgiant said:

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a player gets a 15 yard penalty after scoring,now you have to kick a 47 yard extra point.

Is that confirmed?

Downing the ball on a conversion try, leading by 1 point with time running down is a bit anti-climactic. But I guess it's probably unavoidable.

you probably wont see a pass into the flat in this type situation, but what are the chances on a dive run attempt (or any run attempt) or safe fade towards corner EZ... that the D will take it back to the house?

0.0000001% ?

an untimed play ?

there have been 5 fumble returns of 98 or more yards in the history of the NFL. And that doesn't even mean that they were all on running plays. I guess a QB could have been stripped while scrambling or a WR was stripped or even a returner might have fumbled.