for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Mets vs Cardinals, 1pm start.

spike : 5/21/2015 12:06 pm
Please let DeGrom (4-4, 3.21 ERA) be the stopper! He is opposed by Jaime Garcia, who is starting for the first time since undergoing thoracic outlet surgery in July.

If he doesn't work out, maybe the Cardinals would be willing to take one of Niese/Gee/Colon out of our hands as their no 5 starter for their stretch run?

Cards
Wong
Carpenter
Peralta
Adams
Grichuk
Heyward
Reynolds
Cruz
Garcia

Mets
Lagares
Flores
Duda
Cuddyer
Murphy
Mayberry
Campbell
Plawecki
deGrom

Pages: 1 2 3 4 <<Prev | Show All |
RE: DMM  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:12 pm : link
In comment 12296877 Headhunter said:
Quote:
How does Duda rate defensively statistically To the eye test he looks to be close to Gold Glove which I never thought I'd be writing Lucas Duda & Gold Glove in the same sentence.


Others beat me to it but yeah Duda is at worst average at 1b and seemingly better than that> Both eyes and numbers agree. Duda has turned into a very good overaLL MLB player> the eye test is always funny with 1b, people insisted Ike was so good at 1b because they remember a few fancy catches in the dugout but he was nothing special.
He's come along way in a lot of areas  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:12 pm : link
I was ridiculed here all offseason for even "suggesting" he might improve against lefties. I was worried about the power this season recently, but with a big day he's right back on track.

Lets hope this is the beginning of a hot streak that lasts a couple weeks. We've needed somebody, anybody, to have one like that all year.
BOOO Collins is a moron!  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:15 pm : link
Adam Rubin ✔ @AdamRubinESPN
Terry Collins said 110 was deGrom's limit because of recent hip issue as well as shoulder stiffness sitting during 10-run frame last start.
After today his  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:15 pm : link
wRC+ is at 152! He's truly been better than last year in just about every area. Just hope he can keep crushing a few because this lineup desperately needs power.
Hmmm  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:18 pm : link
No Class of 2012 anywhere to be found after a win? Shocking.
Duda  
Headhunter : 5/21/2015 4:19 pm : link
has after 42 games the same 5 home runs and 19 RBI that he had last year after 42 games. The difference this year is 14 Doubles to 5 Doubles last year and last year he was hitting .237 to this year .302
RE: I'm looking forward to days of no more Niese, Gee and Colon.  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12296832 Four Aces said:
Quote:
I appreciate what they've done for the Mets. But the future has now arrived. It's time for Thor, Matz and Montero to pitch regularly in the big leagues.


You can't even really count Gee as he's already out of the rotation. Its really just Neise and Colon. Flip a coin. One has to stay around a little longer until Wheeler is back Im afraid or at least Montero proves healthy.

Id still try to leverage Colon on somebody this summer assuming he comes back strong and can lower that ERA/FIP a little after last nights disaster.
And suddenly Cuddyer's  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:26 pm : link
wRC+ is right back to 95. He's a couple homerun day and a hot week or two away from being exactly what we thought he would be. Hoping todays big day gets him going as well.
I'd say Cuddyer  
Metnut : 5/21/2015 4:32 pm : link
needs a wRC of around 110 to make him an average player with his poor defense. He needs to get to 115-120 IMO to justify his salary + draft pick compensation to get him.

If he can get to that 110+ range the rest of the way, it'll be a big boost to the lineup. I'm not optimistic that he can do that, but still too early to throw in the towel either.

RE: I'd say Cuddyer  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12296947 Metnut said:
Quote:
needs a wRC of around 110 to make him an average player with his poor defense. He needs to get to 115-120 IMO to justify his salary + draft pick compensation to get him.

If he can get to that 110+ range the rest of the way, it'll be a big boost to the lineup. I'm not optimistic that he can do that, but still too early to throw in the towel either.


I think thats fair. 110 doesn't seem insurmountable in the least considering he really hasn't even had one hot week yet. He could reach that in a day actually. Look what happened to Duda today?. One thing I do disagree with is his defense. Don't look now but Cuddyer is having the best defensive season he's had since 2005. The move to LF clearly favors him(even though I still think its stupid putting Granderson's arm in RF). The reality is Cuddyer is actually playing an average LF defensively, or just a hair below it.
RE: Hmmm  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2015 4:41 pm : link
In comment 12296920 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
No Class of 2012 anywhere to be found after a win? Shocking.


the highs and lows of a baseball season. invincible after a win, hapless after a loss.

I try and stay even keeled until there is reason not to be.

the Mets split with the cards winning the Harvey and deGro games, losing Niese and Colon, not unexpected. the unexpected part of being outscored 19 - 2 in the two losses and scored just 4 runs in the first 3 games of the series.

still I try and remain even keeled and not get too high after even a win like today.

not sure who you're looking to call out or why.
Matz should replace Niese immediately  
Chris684 : 5/21/2015 4:44 pm : link
If Colon can be decent for the next 2 months, he can be dealt by the deadline.

At that point you slot in Montero for Colon for the rest of the season.

By next season hopefully we can field a rotation of

Harvey, deGrom, Thor, Matz, Wheeler and use Montero as part of a deal to bring another bat in here.
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:46 pm : link
wouldn't count on Montero for anything at this point. Who knows if/when his shoulder will stop barking?
what a start today....  
Italianju : 5/21/2015 4:48 pm : link
we needed that W bad.

I know Colon pitched poorly last time out, but im not sure we need to rush to replace him with Montero. EVen if Montero was healthy.
On the heals of Neise's worst  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:49 pm : link
thrashing of his career his FIP is still a whopping 4.20. He's going to be replaced by a better starter eventually but he's still well above average for a number 5 starter. Unfortunately we are going to have to keep Neise or Colon in the rotation towards the end of the season as they are two of our only starters that can pitch 190-200 innings.

How are we going to make it to the end of the year with a rotation of Harvey, deGrom, Matz, Thor, and Montero?? It would be impossible. All these guys are going to have innings counts.
I would prefer they first traded Niese  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 4:49 pm : link
if they wanted to replace him with Matz. Why kill what ever value might still have?
Niese  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:50 pm : link
will be very, very hard to move at this point. I'm not even sure he'd be claimed off of waivers given his salary. I would suggest he wouldn't be.
Im fine with trading Neise or Colon  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:51 pm : link
Whichever brings back more. The one nice thing about Neise is he is under contract in 2016 so we can at least start him out as our 5 until Wheeler is back. Colon is gone either way.
Niese  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:51 pm : link
is currently owed about 14 million.
Sandy has openly said  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:52 pm : link
he would eat salary in a move of Colon. Why wouldn't he for Neise?? He absolutely would. And Neise is making much less than Colon annually. Not sure why 7 million a year is considered "a lot" all of a sudden.

Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.
RE: Sandy has openly said  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12296989 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
he would eat salary in a move of Colon. Why wouldn't he for Neise?? He absolutely would. And Neise is making much less than Colon annually. Not sure why 7 million a year is considered "a lot" all of a sudden.

Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.


If they eat significant money then sure. But Jon Niese isn't bringing back anything at 14 million. He's just not. Not with a 4.31 FIP
There likley is a team that has a need for a 28 yr left handed starter  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 4:56 pm : link
.
Not trying to start a whole debate  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:57 pm : link
We can agree to disagree. If Neise comes back and pitches a few solid games I think he'll look pretty attractive again to other teams. Assuming we eat a couple million off each year he might even bring back a nice prospect.
They missed the boat on trading Niese  
debo_GIANTS : 5/21/2015 4:57 pm : link
I highly doubt the Mets will eat the money that is owed to him at this point.
RE: RE: Sandy has openly said  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:59 pm : link
In comment 12296994 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
In comment 12296989 ZGiants98 said:


Quote:


he would eat salary in a move of Colon. Why wouldn't he for Neise?? He absolutely would. And Neise is making much less than Colon annually. Not sure why 7 million a year is considered "a lot" all of a sudden.

Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.



If they eat significant money then sure. But Jon Niese isn't bringing back anything at 14 million. He's just not. Not with a 4.31 FIP


I believe Neise will get his FIP back in the 3's where it generally almost always is (as it was 72 hours ago) and as we get closer to the deadline that contract will be worth closer to 9 million for the rest of 2015 and 2016. Kick in a couple million and we should get something back.
RE: They missed the boat on trading Niese  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12297000 debo_GIANTS said:
Quote:
I highly doubt the Mets will eat the money that is owed to him at this point.


Eat all the money?? Absolutely not. lol. But Sandy has openly said he would kick in a couple million in a deal with Colon. Makes zero sense that he wouldn't do that for Neise as well.

Neise is making 7 million dollar this year(about 5 left) and 9 million next year.

Colon was making 11 million this year. I don't see much difference in them as far as quality. They are roughly the same player assuming Neise is healthy.
Excuse me.  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 5:03 pm : link
I meant to say closer to 11 million by the deadline. Obviously not 9. lol. My bad.
What were the Marlins thinking  
Rflairr : 5/21/2015 5:36 pm : link
Jennings even looks funny in the uniform. He looks so out of place.
RE: They missed the boat on trading Niese  
Rflairr : 5/21/2015 5:37 pm : link
In comment 12297000 debo_GIANTS said:
Quote:
I highly doubt the Mets will eat the money that is owed to him at this point.


When you see the money some of these pitchers are getting. Niese is a friggin bargain with 14 mill left on his contract.
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 7:43 pm : link
said there has been practically no interest in Gee since day one which has surprised the Mets.
Just dump him.  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 7:48 pm : link
I really don't want to see him in the bullpen over one of the young kids that have all looked good. Give him away for a 2nd tier prospect like Taylor last year who's far away. Sucks but we have to make room.
I get the feeling that teams  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 7:51 pm : link
Look at all these studs the Mets have and assume they can get a Matz or a Syndergaard. When Sandy says Gee is available it's such a major letdown they fail to even see the value in what's there. Probably come off feeling the Mets are greedy bastards. Lol.
RE: I get the feeling that teams  
Four Aces : 5/21/2015 7:53 pm : link
In comment 12297150 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
Look at all these studs the Mets have and assume they can get a Matz or a Syndergaard. When Sandy says Gee is available it's such a major letdown they fail to even see the value in what's there. Probably come off feeling the Mets are greedy bastards. Lol.


I think you have a point lol
RE: Heyman  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:02 pm : link
In comment 12297142 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
said there has been practically no interest in Gee since day one which has surprised the Mets.


The Mets have always been comicaly blindsided when they can't get .25 cents for a nickel. Same ol moronic mentality.
Niese isn't worth anything  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:05 pm : link
His equity is spent.
Oh there he is...  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 8:08 pm : link
HI!! Must have been a rough day snookums. Poor thing... Guess you missed the Ike trade, MDD trade, and Mazzoni trades. Guess you missed all the premium talented he DID inherit from being patient.
Hey Cheerleader :)  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:12 pm : link
another tough day at work?

Neise is worth a fortune b/c he is AWESOME

Idiot
Who ever dreamed we would get the return we did for Dickey?  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 8:16 pm : link
Basically a journeyman knuckleballer in his late thirties coming off a career year. I still surprised Sandy got so much for him at that age.
Trades aren't really the spot to go after Sandy..  
arcarsenal : 5/21/2015 8:28 pm : link
He's made some pretty darn good ones and has probably won the majority of the ones he's made.
What a miserable fucking thread  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/21/2015 8:32 pm : link
after an absolute gem by DeGrom.
If he finds a team like the Giants  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:33 pm : link
taking a risk for a World Series or the Jays being super aggressive in catching the big dogs in the AL East, yeah, he makes a move, otherwise, he folds and waits until his assets depreciate so much there is literally no market.

RE: What a miserable fucking thread  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:35 pm : link
In comment 12297173 Rob in Rockaway said:
Quote:
after an absolute gem by DeGrom.


Didn't see it but heard it was a tremendous performace by deGrom. Happy for him and any/all of the kids. Add kids, that's all many want.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 9:07 pm : link
trying to be a smartass but what's so miserable about this thread? Seems like a fair discussion about the team?
RE: Not  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 9:11 pm : link
In comment 12297201 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
trying to be a smartass but what's so miserable about this thread? Seems like a fair discussion about the team?


I was going to say the same thing.
Meisner  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 9:17 pm : link
Supposedly his mechanics are fantastic for his size. He's very intriguing. He along with Molina (assuming he doesn't need TJ) are 2 and 3 on my personal "best pitching prospects in the system"

Meisner: 7 IP, H, 0 R, 3 BB, 10 K
Speaking of Corey Mazzoni  
Tanker20 : 5/21/2015 9:54 pm : link
He has some pretty insane stats right now for SD in AAA

17.1 ip 6 hits 2 runs 27 k's 4 bbs. 27 Strikeouts!!

era 1.04 whip 0.577
RE: Speaking of Corey Mazzoni  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 10:26 pm : link
In comment 12297215 Tanker20 said:
Quote:
He has some pretty insane stats right now for SD in AAA

17.1 ip 6 hits 2 runs 27 k's 4 bbs. 27 Strikeouts!!

era 1.04 whip 0.577


Ive been following. Whats done is done. Not trying to stir anything up but I think that whole LOOGY thing was way overblown. Gilmartin has been pretty good. Leathersich looks pretty good. Thats all Ill say.
Matz  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 10:48 pm : link
getting smacked around a little..2 HRs in 3 innings.

if that were Niese people would be flipping out.
when  
sshin05 : 5/21/2015 11:16 pm : link
degrom is on, he's just as good as harvey.

Matz had one bad inning. He'll be fine: 4IP 5k's 0BB.
RE: when  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 11:29 pm : link
In comment 12297260 sshin05 said:
Quote:
degrom is on, he's just as good as harvey.

Matz had one bad inning. He'll be fine: 4IP 5k's 0BB.


he sucks!!! should've traded him when his value was higher.. oh well.



do I pass for an over-reactor yet?
Pages: 1 2 3 4 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner