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spike : 5/21/2015 12:06 pm
Please let DeGrom (4-4, 3.21 ERA) be the stopper! He is opposed by Jaime Garcia, who is starting for the first time since undergoing thoracic outlet surgery in July.

If he doesn't work out, maybe the Cardinals would be willing to take one of Niese/Gee/Colon out of our hands as their no 5 starter for their stretch run?

Cards
Wong
Carpenter
Peralta
Adams
Grichuk
Heyward
Reynolds
Cruz
Garcia

Mets
Lagares
Flores
Duda
Cuddyer
Murphy
Mayberry
Campbell
Plawecki
deGrom

deGrom needs to play ace here  
chris r : 5/21/2015 12:07 pm : link
and get the split after those last two embarrassing performances.
Good start for deGrom, 3 K's  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 1:20 pm : link
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fn Flores  
chris r : 5/21/2015 1:28 pm : link
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RE: fn Flores  
Four Aces : 5/21/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12296566 chris r said:
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What did I miss with Flores?
damn  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 1:38 pm : link
he gave up a grounder...

6 outs 5 ks for degrom.. go fig, the guy who hit the grounder is the K machine, Reynolds.
RE: RE: fn Flores  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12296576 Four Aces said:
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What did I miss with Flores?


GIDP
RE: RE: RE: fn Flores  
chris r : 5/21/2015 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12296580 speedywheels said:
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What did I miss with Flores?



GIDP


After Lagares was finally able to work a walk for like the 2nd time all year.
Leadoff walk for Cuddy  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 1:43 pm : link
Then Murphy proceeds to look at three pitches right down the middle
Brutal  
Tanker20 : 5/21/2015 1:47 pm : link
Right now.
And Cuddy gets doubled off first  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 1:48 pm : link
nice work...
deGrom with another good inning  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 1:55 pm : link
Too bad this offense is just brutally bad right now...
3rd leadoff walk  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 1:56 pm : link
hopefully no more DP's...
Mets cant even get a hit  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:06 pm : link
off the crappy Jaime Garcia.
A hit!  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:17 pm : link
A real live hit! And now a runner in scoring position,too!

Another hit!  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:18 pm : link
bases loaded for Mayberry, only 1 out
oh, my  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:21 pm : link
3 hits in a row! 1 run in. This station to station baserunning sucks balls, though...
how do you kill an inning?  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 2:22 pm : link
great job  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:22 pm : link
Soup.

NOT. 1-0 Mets
Aaaaaand a DP  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:24 pm : link
4 innings and 3 DP's, this one with bases loaded.

They just can't get out of their own fucking way.

RE: great job  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 2:25 pm : link
In comment 12296650 spike said:
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Soup.

NOT. 1-0 Mets


hey, it's what happens when AAA players are eating up your lineup.

solid depth is just as important in baseball as it is in football. I'm not saying their bench sucks, I'm just saying that when guys need a day off, these aren't players you feel confident in producing.

When d'Arnaud got hurt, they brought up a rookie and he's the starter.. Wright got hurt, they moved over the 2b and then brought up a rookie to play 2b (who also got hurt).

Common thread is, the bench guys aren't good enough to start when a player is hurt.. they bring up rookies.
deGrom dealing  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:28 pm : link
even though Holliday and Molina are out, still nice to see him back to form...
need  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:32 pm : link
a few insurance runs.
sloppiness continues  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:34 pm : link
This team seriously needs a player only meeting or something..

Need to get their heads examined.
This team is really pathetic right now  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:37 pm : link
Other than a few pitchers doing their thing, they really do suck royally right now...
Duda!  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:43 pm : link
with a jack. Too bad no one else is on base.

2-0 METS!
Duda!!  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:44 pm : link
Nice to see a HR, especially vs lefty...
DeGrom is going 8 innings  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:44 pm : link
no matter what.

We can't let the bullpen jeopardize this
YET  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:45 pm : link
another DP (4) to finish the inning.

enough with these fn DPs  
chris r : 5/21/2015 2:45 pm : link
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haha  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:46 pm : link
another fucking DP...
The core of the Mets future  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:46 pm : link
Duda might not be hitting as many so far but he can still crush them  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 2:46 pm : link
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RE: The core of the Mets future  
arcarsenal : 5/21/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12296697 spike said:
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I'll like this picture more when Matz and Wheeler are behind them.
nicely done  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:49 pm : link
by SS Flores
RE: RE: The core of the Mets future  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12296700 arcarsenal said:
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I'll like this picture more when Matz and Wheeler are behind them.


next season!
RE: Duda might not be hitting as many so far but he can still crush them  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12296698 steve in ky said:
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Wow - Harvey is 6'4" and he looks tiny in that pic!
11 !  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:51 pm : link
Time to give him some insurance runs!
is this about the time  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 2:52 pm : link
when he came up last year? maybe this is when he heats up
deGrom with 10 K's  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:52 pm : link
TC had better let him go out there for the 8th...
Oops - 11  
speedywheels : 5/21/2015 2:53 pm : link
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RE: deGrom with 10 K's  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12296711 speedywheels said:
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TC had better let him go out there for the 8th...


only 10? psht.. he has 11.. 10 is for losers.
Just loving watching deGrom dealing the Cards today.  
Phil in Joisey : 5/21/2015 2:54 pm : link
But also sitting here worrying that the Mets will find a way to screw it up in the 8th or 9th.
btw  
spike : 5/21/2015 2:54 pm : link
Collins better not pinch hit for DeGrom.

There is no one on the Mets bench who hits that much better than Jacob D
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arcarsenal : 5/21/2015 2:55 pm : link
"Well, we wanted to get Torres a little work today so we took the kid out"

I can just see it coming now...
RE: btw  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 2:56 pm : link
In comment 12296716 spike said:
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Collins better not pinch hit for DeGrom.

There is no one on the Mets bench who hits that much better than Jacob D


Tejada is a God.. we all know this (in the eyes of TC)

Mayberry looks like what he's always been. I'm shocked that he hasn't turned into this great player after the Mets signed him.
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steve in ky : 5/21/2015 3:01 pm : link
I would love to see him get a quick 1-2-3 inning and then allowed to start the 9th for the complete game.

It won't happen, 100 pitches and all that but I'm not a fan of strict pitch counts and babying these guys.
hell yeah 3 outs in 5 pitches  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:03 pm : link
Keep him out there for the 9th
what a fucking boss performance by  
chris r : 5/21/2015 3:04 pm : link
deGrom when his team needed it.
Wow.  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:04 pm : link
We needed this from deGrom today. All in all, we might get the split anyway. Nothing to be ashamed of against this team. Next we throw Thor and Harvey at the Pirates. I like our chances taking that series with those two kicking it off.
That's what I was talking about. Let him start the 9th  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 3:04 pm : link
he is pitching strong no need to change it up without letting him start the inning.
deGrom  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:05 pm : link
looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.
Lets see if he bats  
NewBlue : 5/21/2015 3:05 pm : link
He is the lead off hitter here
RE: what a fucking boss performance by  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12296729 chris r said:
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deGrom when his team needed it.


Yup. He's really been the stopper two games in a row too. Love to see that he's back on track.
Oh well  
NewBlue : 5/21/2015 3:06 pm : link
Our closer better not do what he did Monday night for Harvey
Familia  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:06 pm : link
better close this shit
RE: deGrom  
chris r : 5/21/2015 3:06 pm : link
In comment 12296733 DanMetroMan said:
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.


Agreed. deGrom has the mental part down much better than Wheeler, who reminds me Strasburg a little in that respect. Still, Wheeler in the lower part of the rotation is nothing to complain about.
Of course not  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 3:07 pm : link
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RE: deGrom  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12296733 DanMetroMan said:
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.


Not even asking you directly but Why would anybody be comparing deGrom to Wheeler? There is no doubt by anyone alive deGrom is leagues better. Wheeler is all about potential unfulfilled at this point.
6 runs in 4 games  
NewBlue : 5/21/2015 3:07 pm : link
POSSIBLY 2 wins to show for it
RE: RE: deGrom  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12296741 chris r said:
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.



Agreed. deGrom has the mental part down much better than Wheeler, who reminds me Strasburg a little in that respect. Still, Wheeler in the lower part of the rotation is nothing to complain about.


Wheeler is a fantastic no 2 pitcher and he could be our no 3 or no4 in this rotation
It is kind of brutal  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:09 pm : link
that Cambell and Plawecki have been absolutely the two biggest holes in the lineup. The drop off between TDA and Wright and those two has been monumental.
RE: RE: deGrom  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:10 pm : link
In comment 12296743 ZGiants98 said:
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.



Not even asking you directly but Why would anybody be comparing deGrom to Wheeler? There is no doubt by anyone alive deGrom is leagues better. Wheeler is all about potential unfulfilled at this point.


I mentioned Wheeler because he's discussed as if he belongs with the Harvey/deGrom group and he really doesn't. Maybe something will turn on and he'll improve significantly but I'm actually ranking Wheeler 5th amongst the "young" arms in the system if asked. I think his name is much bigger than his game so far in his career. I would have 100% for trading Wheeler for a young big bat before the injury. The fact they discussed him with the Giants likely means they feel the same way (though I have no idea what their target was, maybe Brandon Crawford?).
And Wheeler is our  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:11 pm : link
number 5 starter at best next year assuming he can wrestle it away from Neise/Montero or whoever is pitching there next June. Our number 5 starter. We dont need him to become anything more than "solid". We no longer need him to be an "ace".
RE: RE: RE: deGrom  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:11 pm : link
In comment 12296745 spike said:
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.



Agreed. deGrom has the mental part down much better than Wheeler, who reminds me Strasburg a little in that respect. Still, Wheeler in the lower part of the rotation is nothing to complain about.



Wheeler is a fantastic no 2 pitcher and he could be our no 3 or no4 in this rotation


Wheeler is nowhere near a "fantastic no 2 pitcher" at this point. This statement is exactly what I mean. Maybe one day he becomes that but he was 54th in baseball in FIP last year and he couldn't last late into games. His name might make him "fantastic #2" results say otherwise.
RE: 6 runs in 4 games  
debo_GIANTS : 5/21/2015 3:12 pm : link
In comment 12296744 NewBlue said:
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POSSIBLY 2 wins to show for it


And one of those games went 14 innings. So more like 2 runs in 4 3/4 games
If  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:13 pm : link
Wheeler is a fantastic #2 then what is Anibal Sanchez? What is Zimmermann? Arrieta? Greinke? etc etc
RE: And Wheeler is our  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12296755 ZGiants98 said:
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number 5 starter at best next year assuming he can wrestle it away from Neise/Montero or whoever is pitching there next June. Our number 5 starter. We dont need him to become anything more than "solid". We no longer need him to be an "ace".


Please dump Niese. He's cooked.
RE: RE: RE: deGrom  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:14 pm : link
In comment 12296753 DanMetroMan said:
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.



Not even asking you directly but Why would anybody be comparing deGrom to Wheeler? There is no doubt by anyone alive deGrom is leagues better. Wheeler is all about potential unfulfilled at this point.



I mentioned Wheeler because he's discussed as if he belongs with the Harvey/deGrom group and he really doesn't. Maybe something will turn on and he'll improve significantly but I'm actually ranking Wheeler 5th amongst the "young" arms in the system if asked. I think his name is much bigger than his game so far in his career. I would have 100% for trading Wheeler for a young big bat before the injury. The fact they discussed him with the Giants likely means they feel the same way (though I have no idea what their target was, maybe Brandon Crawford?).


I think you could make the case Wheeler was discussed along the likes of Harvey and deGrom when they were first breaking in but I dont think anybody would compare Wheeler to them today. I think its pretty obvious that Harvey and deGrom are two of the best pitchers in baseball and most players are never going to become THAT good. Anyways. Just my opinion. I still think Wheeler is going to be solid pitcher. He might be more AJ Burnett than Harvey, but Im fine with that.
Yeah there is no  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:15 pm : link
way I consider him a fantastic 2 TODAY. I do consider him a fantastic 5 TODAY though.
What is Montero's injury  
NewBlue : 5/21/2015 3:15 pm : link
And what is the project return?
DUDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
NewBlue : 5/21/2015 3:16 pm : link
!!!!!!!!!!!
Duda  
Headhunter : 5/21/2015 3:16 pm : link
!!!!!
YES!!!  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:16 pm : link
COULD THE HULK BE STARTING TO SMASH AGAIN????!!!!
RE: What is Montero's injury  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:16 pm : link
In comment 12296770 NewBlue said:
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And what is the project return?


Rotator cuff inflammation and latest update was it was still bothering him as of 5/11, I haven't seen anything since.
Heck yeah Duda homers!  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:16 pm : link
F U Cardinals! Go home.

4-0

Duda is hot again  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 3:16 pm : link
Just like he was during the Mets early hot streak.

The Mets go as Duda goes
Wow. Who says Duda can't hit lefties  
Ira : 5/21/2015 3:17 pm : link
?
RE: Wow. Who says Duda can't hit lefties  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 3:17 pm : link
In comment 12296780 Ira said:
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Nobody this season
Come on Cuddyer  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:17 pm : link
back to back. Or even just a 3-3 day would be awesome!
1 pitch?  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 3:17 pm : link
That's an outing Choate needs to forget lol
damn  
chris r : 5/21/2015 3:17 pm : link
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Nice start for the Mets youngster today. He was dominant  
BigBlueBuff : 5/21/2015 3:18 pm : link
today and looks like a really nice piece. It's just a damn shame the Cardinals choked away the game Monday night to give this team a split. Could've and should've taken 3 this series before facing a real team in KC for the weekend.
WHOOO  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:19 pm : link
And there it is! Cuddyer and Duda. Probably the two most important pieces in our lineup to get us going right now.
RE: Nice start for the Mets youngster today. He was dominant  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 3:21 pm : link
In comment 12296788 BigBlueBuff said:
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today and looks like a really nice piece. It's just a damn shame the Cardinals choked away the game Monday night to give this team a split. Could've and should've taken 3 this series before facing a real team in KC for the weekend.


Makes no sense. Choked away the game Monday??? If anything WE choked away the game to let it be tied in the first place. Harvey pitches 8 scoreless and YOU choked away the game? OK.
RE: Nice start for the Mets youngster today. He was dominant  
chris r : 5/21/2015 3:21 pm : link
In comment 12296788 BigBlueBuff said:
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today and looks like a really nice piece. It's just a damn shame the Cardinals choked away the game Monday night to give this team a split. Could've and should've taken 3 this series before facing a real team in KC for the weekend.


Lol at "a real team". You guys got shut down by the only two decent pitchers you faced this series. Lucky you didn't see Thor.
Duda might get  
Headhunter : 5/21/2015 3:21 pm : link
a lot more than he turned down
RE: Nice start for the Mets youngster today. He was dominant  
arcarsenal : 5/21/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12296788 BigBlueBuff said:
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today and looks like a really nice piece. It's just a damn shame the Cardinals choked away the game Monday night to give this team a split. Could've and should've taken 3 this series before facing a real team in KC for the weekend.


Gee, thanks for the backhanded compliments.
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arcarsenal : 5/21/2015 3:23 pm : link
And yeah, the "real team" comment.. lol. What a prick.
Soup has just been awful since that first week or so  
chris r : 5/21/2015 3:25 pm : link
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RE: Soup has just been awful since that first week or so  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12296810 chris r said:
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He is who he is. a utility guy who should start once or twice a week.
Got the Mets when they not playing good ball  
gmen9892 : 5/21/2015 3:26 pm : link
2 worst starting pitchers, and 2 of the best hitters are still out of the line-up. I would take the split and call it a day. Mets will be a better team the next time around (barring more big injuries).
Plawecki  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:27 pm : link
and Campbell are black holes offensively these days.
I've  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:27 pm : link
always rooted for Campbell but I think he might be best suited for Japan or Korea where he can make more money and mash.
one of these kids  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:29 pm : link
will pitch a no hitter or two for us before they are done
What an effort by deGrom!  
Section331 : 5/21/2015 3:30 pm : link
After the last 2 nights, getting out with a split would be awfully nice.
That is where Kirk will probably end up  
debo_GIANTS : 5/21/2015 3:30 pm : link
With that long swing of his, he is not suited to be a bench player.
Plawecki is having a tough go at it these days  
Four Aces : 5/21/2015 3:31 pm : link
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why the f is Collins pitching Familia  
chris r : 5/21/2015 3:32 pm : link
with a 5 run lead? Its not the 7th game of the WS.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:32 pm : link
kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.
RE: why the f is Collins pitching Familia  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:32 pm : link
In comment 12296827 chris r said:
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with a 5 run lead? Its not the 7th game of the WS.


He needs the work..
Amazing that we're somehow  
Metnut : 5/21/2015 3:33 pm : link
going to get a split out of this. I'll take it!
RE: Not  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:33 pm : link
In comment 12296828 DanMetroMan said:
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kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.


sometimes it takes a few callups for a prospect to fulfill his potentials
I'm looking forward to days of no more Niese, Gee and Colon.  
Four Aces : 5/21/2015 3:33 pm : link
I appreciate what they've done for the Mets. But the future has now arrived. It's time for Thor, Matz and Montero to pitch regularly in the big leagues.
RE: Not  
chris r : 5/21/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12296828 DanMetroMan said:
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kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.


I think that's a little extreme. TDA himself looked pretty horrible early on. I've seen enough of Plaw that I think he can be a solid .280 type hitter with some XB power.
RE: one of these kids  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12296822 spike said:
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will pitch a no hitter or two for us before they are done


History hasn't borne out. I sure hope so but they have had some of the games bets pitchers wear the uniform and not get ever get one while a Met so I wouldn't assume it will easily happen with this group.
RE: RE: Not  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12296831 spike said:
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kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.



sometimes it takes a few callups for a prospect to fulfill his potentials


Like I said, I'm not giving up on him or anything but his skillset, limited overall "upside" but short swing, intelligent "already" 24, I thought he'd be one to be decent right away. I still like him just somewhat surprised.
RE: RE: Not  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12296834 chris r said:
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kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.



I think that's a little extreme. TDA himself looked pretty horrible early on. I've seen enough of Plaw that I think he can be a solid .280 type hitter with some XB power.


How do you figure? If TDA gets hurt July 17th would you rather go with Plawecki/Recker or look for outside help? I'm talking about the 2015 season.
RE: RE: Not  
Four Aces : 5/21/2015 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12296834 chris r said:
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kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.



I think that's a little extreme. TDA himself looked pretty horrible early on. I've seen enough of Plaw that I think he can be a solid .280 type hitter with some XB power.


Long term, I like Plawecki as well. But right now, he's not ready. He needs more seasoning in AAA.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:40 pm : link
talking strictly about the 2015 NYM and their season. Not what Plawecki might be in the future.
Well they get the split with possibly the nest team in the league  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 3:40 pm : link
Pitching and timely hitting keeps them moving in the right direction.
*best*  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 3:40 pm : link
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next up  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:40 pm : link
3 games against the underachieving Pirates (18-22) but with their top 3 starters:

Gerritt Cole (5-2, 2.40) vs Syndergaard (1-1, 3.18)
AJ Burnett (3-1, 1.38) vs Harvey (5-1, 1.98)
Francisco Liriano (1-4, 4.15) vs Niese (3-4, 3.72)

Dont care how we do it  
spike : 5/21/2015 3:41 pm : link
but keep inching towards 88-90 wins
RE: I'm  
chris r : 5/21/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12296852 DanMetroMan said:
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talking strictly about the 2015 NYM and their season. Not what Plawecki might be in the future.


My bad, I misunderstood you then. I'd look to replace Recker anyways going forward. I don't think the Mets can afford to carry two starting catchers and given TDAs injury history, he should have a better backup. So that's where I'd look for an upgrade and then Plaw could split time with that better backup.
Recker  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 3:44 pm : link
is terrible, he must be good in the clubhouse/pitchers like throwing to him because he's really bad even for a backup C.
DMM  
Headhunter : 5/21/2015 3:52 pm : link
How does Duda rate defensively statistically To the eye test he looks to be close to Gold Glove which I never thought I'd be writing Lucas Duda & Gold Glove in the same sentence.
Not sure if  
Metnut : 5/21/2015 3:55 pm : link
I'm reading this wrong, but fangraphs has him as the 5th best defensive 1B among guys with qualified ABs. Buster Posey is #1, so it seems hybrids who are getting value from other positions are included too.



http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=20,d - ( New Window )
He really worked hard  
Headhunter : 5/21/2015 3:57 pm : link
to get where he has come from defensively. I hope he gets every nickel in negotiations
RE: He really worked hard  
Metnut : 5/21/2015 4:00 pm : link
In comment 12296885 Headhunter said:
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to get where he has come from defensively. I hope he gets every nickel in negotiations


Agreed, came a LONG way from the mess when he was misplaced in the OF.
RE: DMM  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:12 pm : link
In comment 12296877 Headhunter said:
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How does Duda rate defensively statistically To the eye test he looks to be close to Gold Glove which I never thought I'd be writing Lucas Duda & Gold Glove in the same sentence.


Others beat me to it but yeah Duda is at worst average at 1b and seemingly better than that> Both eyes and numbers agree. Duda has turned into a very good overaLL MLB player> the eye test is always funny with 1b, people insisted Ike was so good at 1b because they remember a few fancy catches in the dugout but he was nothing special.
He's come along way in a lot of areas  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:12 pm : link
I was ridiculed here all offseason for even "suggesting" he might improve against lefties. I was worried about the power this season recently, but with a big day he's right back on track.

Lets hope this is the beginning of a hot streak that lasts a couple weeks. We've needed somebody, anybody, to have one like that all year.
BOOO Collins is a moron!  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:15 pm : link
Adam Rubin ✔ @AdamRubinESPN
Terry Collins said 110 was deGrom's limit because of recent hip issue as well as shoulder stiffness sitting during 10-run frame last start.
After today his  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:15 pm : link
wRC+ is at 152! He's truly been better than last year in just about every area. Just hope he can keep crushing a few because this lineup desperately needs power.
Hmmm  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:18 pm : link
No Class of 2012 anywhere to be found after a win? Shocking.
Duda  
Headhunter : 5/21/2015 4:19 pm : link
has after 42 games the same 5 home runs and 19 RBI that he had last year after 42 games. The difference this year is 14 Doubles to 5 Doubles last year and last year he was hitting .237 to this year .302
RE: I'm looking forward to days of no more Niese, Gee and Colon.  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12296832 Four Aces said:
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I appreciate what they've done for the Mets. But the future has now arrived. It's time for Thor, Matz and Montero to pitch regularly in the big leagues.


You can't even really count Gee as he's already out of the rotation. Its really just Neise and Colon. Flip a coin. One has to stay around a little longer until Wheeler is back Im afraid or at least Montero proves healthy.

Id still try to leverage Colon on somebody this summer assuming he comes back strong and can lower that ERA/FIP a little after last nights disaster.
And suddenly Cuddyer's  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:26 pm : link
wRC+ is right back to 95. He's a couple homerun day and a hot week or two away from being exactly what we thought he would be. Hoping todays big day gets him going as well.
I'd say Cuddyer  
Metnut : 5/21/2015 4:32 pm : link
needs a wRC of around 110 to make him an average player with his poor defense. He needs to get to 115-120 IMO to justify his salary + draft pick compensation to get him.

If he can get to that 110+ range the rest of the way, it'll be a big boost to the lineup. I'm not optimistic that he can do that, but still too early to throw in the towel either.

RE: I'd say Cuddyer  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12296947 Metnut said:
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needs a wRC of around 110 to make him an average player with his poor defense. He needs to get to 115-120 IMO to justify his salary + draft pick compensation to get him.

If he can get to that 110+ range the rest of the way, it'll be a big boost to the lineup. I'm not optimistic that he can do that, but still too early to throw in the towel either.


I think thats fair. 110 doesn't seem insurmountable in the least considering he really hasn't even had one hot week yet. He could reach that in a day actually. Look what happened to Duda today?. One thing I do disagree with is his defense. Don't look now but Cuddyer is having the best defensive season he's had since 2005. The move to LF clearly favors him(even though I still think its stupid putting Granderson's arm in RF). The reality is Cuddyer is actually playing an average LF defensively, or just a hair below it.
RE: Hmmm  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2015 4:41 pm : link
In comment 12296920 ZGiants98 said:
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No Class of 2012 anywhere to be found after a win? Shocking.


the highs and lows of a baseball season. invincible after a win, hapless after a loss.

I try and stay even keeled until there is reason not to be.

the Mets split with the cards winning the Harvey and deGro games, losing Niese and Colon, not unexpected. the unexpected part of being outscored 19 - 2 in the two losses and scored just 4 runs in the first 3 games of the series.

still I try and remain even keeled and not get too high after even a win like today.

not sure who you're looking to call out or why.
Matz should replace Niese immediately  
Chris684 : 5/21/2015 4:44 pm : link
If Colon can be decent for the next 2 months, he can be dealt by the deadline.

At that point you slot in Montero for Colon for the rest of the season.

By next season hopefully we can field a rotation of

Harvey, deGrom, Thor, Matz, Wheeler and use Montero as part of a deal to bring another bat in here.
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:46 pm : link
wouldn't count on Montero for anything at this point. Who knows if/when his shoulder will stop barking?
what a start today....  
Italianju : 5/21/2015 4:48 pm : link
we needed that W bad.

I know Colon pitched poorly last time out, but im not sure we need to rush to replace him with Montero. EVen if Montero was healthy.
On the heals of Neise's worst  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:49 pm : link
thrashing of his career his FIP is still a whopping 4.20. He's going to be replaced by a better starter eventually but he's still well above average for a number 5 starter. Unfortunately we are going to have to keep Neise or Colon in the rotation towards the end of the season as they are two of our only starters that can pitch 190-200 innings.

How are we going to make it to the end of the year with a rotation of Harvey, deGrom, Matz, Thor, and Montero?? It would be impossible. All these guys are going to have innings counts.
I would prefer they first traded Niese  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 4:49 pm : link
if they wanted to replace him with Matz. Why kill what ever value might still have?
Niese  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:50 pm : link
will be very, very hard to move at this point. I'm not even sure he'd be claimed off of waivers given his salary. I would suggest he wouldn't be.
Im fine with trading Neise or Colon  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:51 pm : link
Whichever brings back more. The one nice thing about Neise is he is under contract in 2016 so we can at least start him out as our 5 until Wheeler is back. Colon is gone either way.
Niese  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:51 pm : link
is currently owed about 14 million.
Sandy has openly said  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:52 pm : link
he would eat salary in a move of Colon. Why wouldn't he for Neise?? He absolutely would. And Neise is making much less than Colon annually. Not sure why 7 million a year is considered "a lot" all of a sudden.

Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.
RE: Sandy has openly said  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12296989 ZGiants98 said:
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he would eat salary in a move of Colon. Why wouldn't he for Neise?? He absolutely would. And Neise is making much less than Colon annually. Not sure why 7 million a year is considered "a lot" all of a sudden.

Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.


If they eat significant money then sure. But Jon Niese isn't bringing back anything at 14 million. He's just not. Not with a 4.31 FIP
There likley is a team that has a need for a 28 yr left handed starter  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 4:56 pm : link
.
Not trying to start a whole debate  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:57 pm : link
We can agree to disagree. If Neise comes back and pitches a few solid games I think he'll look pretty attractive again to other teams. Assuming we eat a couple million off each year he might even bring back a nice prospect.
They missed the boat on trading Niese  
debo_GIANTS : 5/21/2015 4:57 pm : link
I highly doubt the Mets will eat the money that is owed to him at this point.
RE: RE: Sandy has openly said  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 4:59 pm : link
In comment 12296994 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12296989 ZGiants98 said:


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he would eat salary in a move of Colon. Why wouldn't he for Neise?? He absolutely would. And Neise is making much less than Colon annually. Not sure why 7 million a year is considered "a lot" all of a sudden.

Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.



If they eat significant money then sure. But Jon Niese isn't bringing back anything at 14 million. He's just not. Not with a 4.31 FIP


I believe Neise will get his FIP back in the 3's where it generally almost always is (as it was 72 hours ago) and as we get closer to the deadline that contract will be worth closer to 9 million for the rest of 2015 and 2016. Kick in a couple million and we should get something back.
RE: They missed the boat on trading Niese  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12297000 debo_GIANTS said:
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I highly doubt the Mets will eat the money that is owed to him at this point.


Eat all the money?? Absolutely not. lol. But Sandy has openly said he would kick in a couple million in a deal with Colon. Makes zero sense that he wouldn't do that for Neise as well.

Neise is making 7 million dollar this year(about 5 left) and 9 million next year.

Colon was making 11 million this year. I don't see much difference in them as far as quality. They are roughly the same player assuming Neise is healthy.
Excuse me.  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 5:03 pm : link
I meant to say closer to 11 million by the deadline. Obviously not 9. lol. My bad.
What were the Marlins thinking  
Rflairr : 5/21/2015 5:36 pm : link
Jennings even looks funny in the uniform. He looks so out of place.
RE: They missed the boat on trading Niese  
Rflairr : 5/21/2015 5:37 pm : link
In comment 12297000 debo_GIANTS said:
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I highly doubt the Mets will eat the money that is owed to him at this point.


When you see the money some of these pitchers are getting. Niese is a friggin bargain with 14 mill left on his contract.
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 7:43 pm : link
said there has been practically no interest in Gee since day one which has surprised the Mets.
Just dump him.  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 7:48 pm : link
I really don't want to see him in the bullpen over one of the young kids that have all looked good. Give him away for a 2nd tier prospect like Taylor last year who's far away. Sucks but we have to make room.
I get the feeling that teams  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 7:51 pm : link
Look at all these studs the Mets have and assume they can get a Matz or a Syndergaard. When Sandy says Gee is available it's such a major letdown they fail to even see the value in what's there. Probably come off feeling the Mets are greedy bastards. Lol.
RE: I get the feeling that teams  
Four Aces : 5/21/2015 7:53 pm : link
In comment 12297150 ZGiants98 said:
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Look at all these studs the Mets have and assume they can get a Matz or a Syndergaard. When Sandy says Gee is available it's such a major letdown they fail to even see the value in what's there. Probably come off feeling the Mets are greedy bastards. Lol.


I think you have a point lol
RE: Heyman  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:02 pm : link
In comment 12297142 DanMetroMan said:
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said there has been practically no interest in Gee since day one which has surprised the Mets.


The Mets have always been comicaly blindsided when they can't get .25 cents for a nickel. Same ol moronic mentality.
Niese isn't worth anything  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:05 pm : link
His equity is spent.
Oh there he is...  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 8:08 pm : link
HI!! Must have been a rough day snookums. Poor thing... Guess you missed the Ike trade, MDD trade, and Mazzoni trades. Guess you missed all the premium talented he DID inherit from being patient.
Hey Cheerleader :)  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:12 pm : link
another tough day at work?

Neise is worth a fortune b/c he is AWESOME

Idiot
Who ever dreamed we would get the return we did for Dickey?  
steve in ky : 5/21/2015 8:16 pm : link
Basically a journeyman knuckleballer in his late thirties coming off a career year. I still surprised Sandy got so much for him at that age.
Trades aren't really the spot to go after Sandy..  
arcarsenal : 5/21/2015 8:28 pm : link
He's made some pretty darn good ones and has probably won the majority of the ones he's made.
What a miserable fucking thread  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/21/2015 8:32 pm : link
after an absolute gem by DeGrom.
If he finds a team like the Giants  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:33 pm : link
taking a risk for a World Series or the Jays being super aggressive in catching the big dogs in the AL East, yeah, he makes a move, otherwise, he folds and waits until his assets depreciate so much there is literally no market.

RE: What a miserable fucking thread  
Giants2012 : 5/21/2015 8:35 pm : link
In comment 12297173 Rob in Rockaway said:
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after an absolute gem by DeGrom.


Didn't see it but heard it was a tremendous performace by deGrom. Happy for him and any/all of the kids. Add kids, that's all many want.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 9:07 pm : link
trying to be a smartass but what's so miserable about this thread? Seems like a fair discussion about the team?
RE: Not  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 9:11 pm : link
In comment 12297201 DanMetroMan said:
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trying to be a smartass but what's so miserable about this thread? Seems like a fair discussion about the team?


I was going to say the same thing.
Meisner  
DanMetroMan : 5/21/2015 9:17 pm : link
Supposedly his mechanics are fantastic for his size. He's very intriguing. He along with Molina (assuming he doesn't need TJ) are 2 and 3 on my personal "best pitching prospects in the system"

Meisner: 7 IP, H, 0 R, 3 BB, 10 K
Speaking of Corey Mazzoni  
Tanker20 : 5/21/2015 9:54 pm : link
He has some pretty insane stats right now for SD in AAA

17.1 ip 6 hits 2 runs 27 k's 4 bbs. 27 Strikeouts!!

era 1.04 whip 0.577
RE: Speaking of Corey Mazzoni  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2015 10:26 pm : link
In comment 12297215 Tanker20 said:
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He has some pretty insane stats right now for SD in AAA

17.1 ip 6 hits 2 runs 27 k's 4 bbs. 27 Strikeouts!!

era 1.04 whip 0.577


Ive been following. Whats done is done. Not trying to stir anything up but I think that whole LOOGY thing was way overblown. Gilmartin has been pretty good. Leathersich looks pretty good. Thats all Ill say.
Matz  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 10:48 pm : link
getting smacked around a little..2 HRs in 3 innings.

if that were Niese people would be flipping out.
when  
sshin05 : 5/21/2015 11:16 pm : link
degrom is on, he's just as good as harvey.

Matz had one bad inning. He'll be fine: 4IP 5k's 0BB.
RE: when  
feelflows : 5/21/2015 11:29 pm : link
In comment 12297260 sshin05 said:
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degrom is on, he's just as good as harvey.

Matz had one bad inning. He'll be fine: 4IP 5k's 0BB.


he sucks!!! should've traded him when his value was higher.. oh well.



do I pass for an over-reactor yet?
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