Please let DeGrom (4-4, 3.21 ERA) be the stopper! He is opposed by Jaime Garcia, who is starting for the first time since undergoing thoracic outlet surgery in July.
If he doesn't work out, maybe the Cardinals would be willing to take one of Niese/Gee/Colon out of our hands as their no 5 starter for their stretch run?
Cards
Wong
Carpenter
Peralta
Adams
Grichuk
Heyward
Reynolds
Cruz
Garcia
Mets
Lagares
Flores
Duda
Cuddyer
Murphy
Mayberry
Campbell
Plawecki
deGrom
What did I miss with Flores?
6 outs 5 ks for degrom.. go fig, the guy who hit the grounder is the K machine, Reynolds.
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After Lagares was finally able to work a walk for like the 2nd time all year.
NOT. 1-0 Mets
They just can't get out of their own fucking way.
NOT. 1-0 Mets
hey, it's what happens when AAA players are eating up your lineup.
solid depth is just as important in baseball as it is in football. I'm not saying their bench sucks, I'm just saying that when guys need a day off, these aren't players you feel confident in producing.
When d'Arnaud got hurt, they brought up a rookie and he's the starter.. Wright got hurt, they moved over the 2b and then brought up a rookie to play 2b (who also got hurt).
Common thread is, the bench guys aren't good enough to start when a player is hurt.. they bring up rookies.
Need to get their heads examined.
2-0 METS!
We can't let the bullpen jeopardize this
I'll like this picture more when Matz and Wheeler are behind them.
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I'll like this picture more when Matz and Wheeler are behind them.
next season!
Wow - Harvey is 6'4" and he looks tiny in that pic!
only 10? psht.. he has 11.. 10 is for losers.
There is no one on the Mets bench who hits that much better than Jacob D
I can just see it coming now...
There is no one on the Mets bench who hits that much better than Jacob D
Tejada is a God.. we all know this (in the eyes of TC)
Mayberry looks like what he's always been. I'm shocked that he hasn't turned into this great player after the Mets signed him.
It won't happen, 100 pitches and all that but I'm not a fan of strict pitch counts and babying these guys.
Yup. He's really been the stopper two games in a row too. Love to see that he's back on track.
Agreed. deGrom has the mental part down much better than Wheeler, who reminds me Strasburg a little in that respect. Still, Wheeler in the lower part of the rotation is nothing to complain about.
Not even asking you directly but Why would anybody be comparing deGrom to Wheeler? There is no doubt by anyone alive deGrom is leagues better. Wheeler is all about potential unfulfilled at this point.
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.
Agreed. deGrom has the mental part down much better than Wheeler, who reminds me Strasburg a little in that respect. Still, Wheeler in the lower part of the rotation is nothing to complain about.
Wheeler is a fantastic no 2 pitcher and he could be our no 3 or no4 in this rotation
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.
Not even asking you directly but Why would anybody be comparing deGrom to Wheeler? There is no doubt by anyone alive deGrom is leagues better. Wheeler is all about potential unfulfilled at this point.
I mentioned Wheeler because he's discussed as if he belongs with the Harvey/deGrom group and he really doesn't. Maybe something will turn on and he'll improve significantly but I'm actually ranking Wheeler 5th amongst the "young" arms in the system if asked. I think his name is much bigger than his game so far in his career. I would have 100% for trading Wheeler for a young big bat before the injury. The fact they discussed him with the Giants likely means they feel the same way (though I have no idea what their target was, maybe Brandon Crawford?).
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.
Agreed. deGrom has the mental part down much better than Wheeler, who reminds me Strasburg a little in that respect. Still, Wheeler in the lower part of the rotation is nothing to complain about.
Wheeler is a fantastic no 2 pitcher and he could be our no 3 or no4 in this rotation
Wheeler is nowhere near a "fantastic no 2 pitcher" at this point. This statement is exactly what I mean. Maybe one day he becomes that but he was 54th in baseball in FIP last year and he couldn't last late into games. His name might make him "fantastic #2" results say otherwise.
And one of those games went 14 innings. So more like 2 runs in 4 3/4 games
Please dump Niese. He's cooked.
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looks fantastic. Unlike Wheeler whom I think is overrated by the fanbase, I think deGrom is 100% legit, early struggles aside.
Not even asking you directly but Why would anybody be comparing deGrom to Wheeler? There is no doubt by anyone alive deGrom is leagues better. Wheeler is all about potential unfulfilled at this point.
I mentioned Wheeler because he's discussed as if he belongs with the Harvey/deGrom group and he really doesn't. Maybe something will turn on and he'll improve significantly but I'm actually ranking Wheeler 5th amongst the "young" arms in the system if asked. I think his name is much bigger than his game so far in his career. I would have 100% for trading Wheeler for a young big bat before the injury. The fact they discussed him with the Giants likely means they feel the same way (though I have no idea what their target was, maybe Brandon Crawford?).
I think you could make the case Wheeler was discussed along the likes of Harvey and deGrom when they were first breaking in but I dont think anybody would compare Wheeler to them today. I think its pretty obvious that Harvey and deGrom are two of the best pitchers in baseball and most players are never going to become THAT good. Anyways. Just my opinion. I still think Wheeler is going to be solid pitcher. He might be more AJ Burnett than Harvey, but Im fine with that.
Rotator cuff inflammation and latest update was it was still bothering him as of 5/11, I haven't seen anything since.
4-0
The Mets go as Duda goes
Nobody this season
Makes no sense. Choked away the game Monday??? If anything WE choked away the game to let it be tied in the first place. Harvey pitches 8 scoreless and YOU choked away the game? OK.
Lol at "a real team". You guys got shut down by the only two decent pitchers you faced this series. Lucky you didn't see Thor.
Gee, thanks for the backhanded compliments.
He is who he is. a utility guy who should start once or twice a week.
He needs the work..
sometimes it takes a few callups for a prospect to fulfill his potentials
I think that's a little extreme. TDA himself looked pretty horrible early on. I've seen enough of Plaw that I think he can be a solid .280 type hitter with some XB power.
History hasn't borne out. I sure hope so but they have had some of the games bets pitchers wear the uniform and not get ever get one while a Met so I wouldn't assume it will easily happen with this group.
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kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.
sometimes it takes a few callups for a prospect to fulfill his potentials
Like I said, I'm not giving up on him or anything but his skillset, limited overall "upside" but short swing, intelligent "already" 24, I thought he'd be one to be decent right away. I still like him just somewhat surprised.
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kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.
I think that's a little extreme. TDA himself looked pretty horrible early on. I've seen enough of Plaw that I think he can be a solid .280 type hitter with some XB power.
How do you figure? If TDA gets hurt July 17th would you rather go with Plawecki/Recker or look for outside help? I'm talking about the 2015 season.
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kicking dirt on Plawecki but pretty bummed how bad he's looked. He's not a toolsy type, I thought his short swing, good eye at the plate would translate reasonably well quickly. Hasn't been the case, in fact if TDA were to get hurt again I think they would need to import a catcher vs. go with Plawecki.
I think that's a little extreme. TDA himself looked pretty horrible early on. I've seen enough of Plaw that I think he can be a solid .280 type hitter with some XB power.
Long term, I like Plawecki as well. But right now, he's not ready. He needs more seasoning in AAA.
Gerritt Cole (5-2, 2.40) vs Syndergaard (1-1, 3.18)
AJ Burnett (3-1, 1.38) vs Harvey (5-1, 1.98)
Francisco Liriano (1-4, 4.15) vs Niese (3-4, 3.72)
My bad, I misunderstood you then. I'd look to replace Recker anyways going forward. I don't think the Mets can afford to carry two starting catchers and given TDAs injury history, he should have a better backup. So that's where I'd look for an upgrade and then Plaw could split time with that better backup.
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Agreed, came a LONG way from the mess when he was misplaced in the OF.
Others beat me to it but yeah Duda is at worst average at 1b and seemingly better than that> Both eyes and numbers agree. Duda has turned into a very good overaLL MLB player> the eye test is always funny with 1b, people insisted Ike was so good at 1b because they remember a few fancy catches in the dugout but he was nothing special.
Lets hope this is the beginning of a hot streak that lasts a couple weeks. We've needed somebody, anybody, to have one like that all year.
Terry Collins said 110 was deGrom's limit because of recent hip issue as well as shoulder stiffness sitting during 10-run frame last start.
You can't even really count Gee as he's already out of the rotation. Its really just Neise and Colon. Flip a coin. One has to stay around a little longer until Wheeler is back Im afraid or at least Montero proves healthy.
Id still try to leverage Colon on somebody this summer assuming he comes back strong and can lower that ERA/FIP a little after last nights disaster.
If he can get to that 110+ range the rest of the way, it'll be a big boost to the lineup. I'm not optimistic that he can do that, but still too early to throw in the towel either.
If he can get to that 110+ range the rest of the way, it'll be a big boost to the lineup. I'm not optimistic that he can do that, but still too early to throw in the towel either.
I think thats fair. 110 doesn't seem insurmountable in the least considering he really hasn't even had one hot week yet. He could reach that in a day actually. Look what happened to Duda today?. One thing I do disagree with is his defense. Don't look now but Cuddyer is having the best defensive season he's had since 2005. The move to LF clearly favors him(even though I still think its stupid putting Granderson's arm in RF). The reality is Cuddyer is actually playing an average LF defensively, or just a hair below it.
the highs and lows of a baseball season. invincible after a win, hapless after a loss.
I try and stay even keeled until there is reason not to be.
the Mets split with the cards winning the Harvey and deGro games, losing Niese and Colon, not unexpected. the unexpected part of being outscored 19 - 2 in the two losses and scored just 4 runs in the first 3 games of the series.
still I try and remain even keeled and not get too high after even a win like today.
not sure who you're looking to call out or why.
At that point you slot in Montero for Colon for the rest of the season.
By next season hopefully we can field a rotation of
Harvey, deGrom, Thor, Matz, Wheeler and use Montero as part of a deal to bring another bat in here.
I know Colon pitched poorly last time out, but im not sure we need to rush to replace him with Montero. EVen if Montero was healthy.
How are we going to make it to the end of the year with a rotation of Harvey, deGrom, Matz, Thor, and Montero?? It would be impossible. All these guys are going to have innings counts.
Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.
Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.
If they eat significant money then sure. But Jon Niese isn't bringing back anything at 14 million. He's just not. Not with a 4.31 FIP
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he would eat salary in a move of Colon. Why wouldn't he for Neise?? He absolutely would. And Neise is making much less than Colon annually. Not sure why 7 million a year is considered "a lot" all of a sudden.
Its a lot if he's not healthy, but he hasn't had any issues there.
If they eat significant money then sure. But Jon Niese isn't bringing back anything at 14 million. He's just not. Not with a 4.31 FIP
I believe Neise will get his FIP back in the 3's where it generally almost always is (as it was 72 hours ago) and as we get closer to the deadline that contract will be worth closer to 9 million for the rest of 2015 and 2016. Kick in a couple million and we should get something back.
Eat all the money?? Absolutely not. lol. But Sandy has openly said he would kick in a couple million in a deal with Colon. Makes zero sense that he wouldn't do that for Neise as well.
Neise is making 7 million dollar this year(about 5 left) and 9 million next year.
Colon was making 11 million this year. I don't see much difference in them as far as quality. They are roughly the same player assuming Neise is healthy.
When you see the money some of these pitchers are getting. Niese is a friggin bargain with 14 mill left on his contract.
I think you have a point lol
The Mets have always been comicaly blindsided when they can't get .25 cents for a nickel. Same ol moronic mentality.
Neise is worth a fortune b/c he is AWESOME
Idiot
Didn't see it but heard it was a tremendous performace by deGrom. Happy for him and any/all of the kids. Add kids, that's all many want.
I was going to say the same thing.
Meisner: 7 IP, H, 0 R, 3 BB, 10 K
17.1 ip 6 hits 2 runs 27 k's 4 bbs. 27 Strikeouts!!
era 1.04 whip 0.577
17.1 ip 6 hits 2 runs 27 k's 4 bbs. 27 Strikeouts!!
era 1.04 whip 0.577
Ive been following. Whats done is done. Not trying to stir anything up but I think that whole LOOGY thing was way overblown. Gilmartin has been pretty good. Leathersich looks pretty good. Thats all Ill say.
if that were Niese people would be flipping out.
Matz had one bad inning. He'll be fine: 4IP 5k's 0BB.
Matz had one bad inning. He'll be fine: 4IP 5k's 0BB.
he sucks!!! should've traded him when his value was higher.. oh well.
do I pass for an over-reactor yet?