NFT: Mike Huckabee Stands by Josh Duggar

I don't know much about the background of these charges. Was he convicted? If he was, I think Huckabee is showing a little too much forgiveness and not enough condemnation.

as far as I'm concerned. A moralizing prig who manages to combine the worst pandering tendencies of both populism and statism.

Anti-Gay and
Anti-Abortion and
Anti-Evolution

All will be forgiven. Does not matter what you do, just ask for forgiveness, and there you go.

but a guy who has said before that homosexuals are predators to children and then stands by this kid needs a reality check.

Sounds like penn state all over again

is a used cars salesman. The man knows how to speak but he's also easy to see right through.

It's amazing how many Republicans think they have a real shot at being President. Huckabee is just another one of these clowns. Can't wait until they dwindle the field and eliminate some of these bums from contention.

I disagree with Huckabee. mainly for his comment about being forgiven BECAUSE he was a minor and made poor choices. As Christians we are to forgive, but not for the reason Huckabee stated.

I often take umbrage on who my fellow brethren forgive.

I don't really think it is my place to offer any public statements on forgiveness or a lack thereof. What value does it add?

It only leads to hypocrisy. Huckabee has publicly said negative things about gays, but apparently forgives a child molester. I just can't comprehend that for a logic standpoint.

but I think they need to accept responsibility first and account for their actions in full.

The gay bashing is a separate issue. Those people's morality should be called into question.

is the absolute worst.

This scumbag admitted to doing it, but conveniently and with his parents help, they waited until the Statue of Limitations with this ran out to address it

for religious hypocrisy. But when someone does something seriously wrong at 15 and owns up to the mistake and has been doing well in the 12 years since, isn't time to say that's something very bad, but it's in the past.

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for religious hypocrisy. But when someone does something seriously wrong at 15 and owns up to the mistake and has been doing well in the 12 years since, isn't time to say that's something very bad, but it's in the past.

Yeah he only molested 5 girls including his sisters, and his parents helped cover it up. But it's all in the past.

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there were a hack of a lot of transplants to Brazil and Argentina who did some atrocious things and then lived model lives for decades....

Would love the opportunity to say sorry and its in the past.

The point is that this was a criminal act that was shielded and hidden by adults who have now profited off AND preached about morals without acknowledging this act until they had to

Good thing he is a Republican. Fox news will also come to his rescue unless the rumor about him giving his siblings terrorist fist jabs is true.

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for religious hypocrisy. But when someone does something seriously wrong at 15 and owns up to the mistake and has been doing well in the 12 years since, isn't time to say that's something very bad, but it's in the past.

Josh Duggar, a reality TV star on TLC’s 19 Kids and Counting and the oldest child of the Duggar clan, admitted that he sexually molested several young girls as a teenager. Duggar only owned up to his conduct after records of a police investigation were obtained by In Touch Magazine. He was never prosecuted because, by the time he was reported to the authorities, the statute of limitations had expired.

Prior to his admission on Thursday night, Duggar spent years crisscrossing the country as a spokesman for “traditional values.” Duggar took a job as executive director of the Family Research Council’s political arm in 2013. In that role, which he resigned on Thursday, Duggar argued that marriage equality and abortion rights — among other things — were destroying the values that he and his family embodied.

Here are nine of Duggar’s most sanctimonious moments:

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Jim Bob Duggar waited more than a year after his son, Josh, confessed to sexually molesting several female minors before contacting police, In Touch Magazine is reporting exclusively, based on information contained in the official police report.
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In comment 12297871 Greg from LI said:

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Actually I'm normally happy(not on drugs). I'm happy to be alive. We're all just visiting. Whatever issues you have with someone you care about squash it and mend the relationship. If you are unable to forgive than God won't forgive you.Than you go to hell. Mark 7:7

In comment 12297854 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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there were a hack of a lot of transplants to Brazil and Argentina who did some atrocious things and then lived model lives for decades....

That's correct.

is proclaiming one thing in public and doing another in private.

is Democrat v Republican or Left v Right. I'm as guilty as anyone here, but when did everything become so political. It really does suck, it flavors all the news and it is a ridiculous way to view things.

But with what we are learning about the nature of molestation and the victim response, it may be time to revisit the statute of limitations on it.

In comment 12297918 Headhunter said:

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is Democrat v Republican or Left v Right. I'm as guilty as anyone here, but when did everything become so political. It really does suck, it flavors all the news and it is a ridiculous way to view things.

Well, in this particular case, both these guys are active and notable political figures.

Get behind a confessed child molester. I couldn't give a crap if Duggar is forgiven for his sins in the afterlife. While he is walking this planet he is scum that should be pounding rocks.

beyond increasing the value of his brand. He's a shill, this is just for attention.

raise your speaking fees. Run for President and hang around for the debates. You get exposure and make money. America is the land of opportunity

In comment 12297919 Rob in CT/NYC said:

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But with what we are learning about the nature of molestation and the victim response, it may be time to revisit the statute of limitations on it.

100% agree with this

on both the Left and the Right one wonders how anything can get decided and done.

Even conceding a minor point to the other side is "an admission of weakness" in one's position / assumptions.

Rather than having a discussion along the lines of "Among a list of key issues, we agree on some, disagree on others and therefore on average you choose candidate from party X and I choose a candidate from party Y." there is often such an entrenched position on each side, that the areas of agreement are lost.

why they are called zealots.

There is a huge rant I can make here, but so many people take advantage of the idea of forgiveness, that it truly cheapens what it is.

Unfortunately, a large group that has done this is comprised of people who have made a living either preaching immaculate values or has made a living brainwashing others. The 1980's wing in the HOF of people needing forgiveness would be almost completely comprised of fallen evangelists, most of whom used the concept of forgiveness to not only regain power, but resort back to their previous behavior.

But some people just say, "Everyone needs forgiveness" which keeps the cycle going in continuity. I bet most people don't realize that Jim Bakker still rakes in several million dollars a year in a combination of preaching in Branson, MO and selling "survivalist" products for the upcoming apocolypse.

Yeah, that notion of "Everyone deserves forgiveness" is really only meant as "everyone who has the same values/lifestyle...".

require forgiveness. They have done nothing wrong in life simply by being homosexual.

Bastards that sexually assault children don't deserve forgiveness, in my eyes. they deserve severe punishment with no statute of limitations.

In comment 12297995 Trainmaster said:

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on both the Left and the Right one wonders how anything can get decided and done. Even conceding a minor point to the other side is "an admission of weakness" in one's position / assumptions. Rather than having a discussion along the lines of "Among a list of key issues, we agree on some, disagree on others and therefore on average you choose candidate from party X and I choose a candidate from party Y." there is often such an entrenched position on each side, that the areas of agreement are lost.

This is more true on the right than the left. There are absolutely zealots and whackos on each side. There's no lefty version of the tea party that can knock out democrats in primaries like there is for the republicans.

So, the candidates have to meet the tea party litmus test criteria with positions that often also alienate independents and centrists. That's why, for example, they'll pretty much all say that marriage is man+woman even though that's now a minority opinion that won't help them in the general election.

not wanting to embrace the homosexual lifestyle or even oppose gay marriage, but whenever somebody acts as if gays choose that lifestyle, they immediately lose me.

I know far too many homosexuals to realize that not only didn't they choose to be gay anymore than I chose to be straight, but so many of them would rather have not been that way to better conform to society. It is sad that society effectively has taken a group of people and have shamed them for no other reason than sexual orientation.

The first part of your statement is very well put. Whether you agree with that lifestyle or not, to call it a choice is ignorant at this point.

Personally, I don't have a problem with gays or gay marriage. I also understand those who oppose the lifestyle, to an extent, but I don't understand or agree with those trying to impose their values on people by preventing them from marrying. To me, it is a simple civil rights/legal issue. But, that is a whole, other discussion that probably should not be expanded upon here.

In comment 12297995 Trainmaster said:

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on both the Left and the Right one wonders how anything can get decided and done. Even conceding a minor point to the other side is "an admission of weakness" in one's position / assumptions. Rather than having a discussion along the lines of "Among a list of key issues, we agree on some, disagree on others and therefore on average you choose candidate from party X and I choose a candidate from party Y." there is often such an entrenched position on each side, that the areas of agreement are lost.

Ron Fournier wrote an article about how candidates judge reporters that cover them in today's National Journal that touches on some of the same points.

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In this era of 'negative partisanship a person's loyalty isn't graded on a curve. It's pass or fail. Mixed feelings are verboten. You either love someone or hate them.

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It's a pretty unsophisticated view-this notion that journalists can't harbor both positive and negative opinions .....It's one in a set of related assumptions shared by a growing number of political figures both Republican and Democratic. Reporters are useless unless they blindly trust a politician, embrace his or her ideology, and pull punches when producing a positive story-or burying a bad one- serves a 'greater good'. Outside of politics, relationships are far less binary.

is F**K this Duggar kid and F**K the mother from that G-d awful Honey Boo Boo show. No form of sexual abuse is any better than another. As I said before, I wish all states would remove the statute of limitations for abuse on minors and let these fuckers get what they deserve.

you didn't say "Fuck Honey Boo Boo".

Although Huckabee might like you more.....

I have a co-worker who was trying to convince me a couple of years ago that the Honey Boo Boo show was watchable and the family was sort of normal. she was trying to say they weren't ignorant rednecks, as one would imagine. I watched an interview or two and a few minutes of a couple of episodes and there is nothing there to indicate even average intelligence or any sense of "normalcy" anywhere in that family.

Shows like that piss me off because they got rich simply for being stupid morons.

In comment 12298033 Matt M. said:

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is F**K this Duggar kid and F**K the mother from that G-d awful Honey Boo Boo show. No form of sexual abuse is any better than another. As I said before, I wish all states would remove the statute of limitations for abuse on minors and let these fuckers get what they deserve.

I don't understand why a statute of limitations even exists for crimes of that magtnitude. You shoplift a new pair of Jordan's? OK, statute of limitations. Murder or rape or child molestation? Nope.

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Shows like that piss me off because they got rich simply for being stupid morons.

Well then at least you still have a chance, buddy!

After Bill Clinton getting a blow than was spent on the (9-11-01) attack. benghazi is another example. You never had democrats go after the war in Iraq the same way as the other cases. Hypocrisy just gripes my ass. Way more than Giants fans going after Reese for not getting la'el Collins.

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their party back from the religious idiots and financial interests that control it. In time, I think they will.

And there are some states where sex offenses with minors have none, but it is a minority...just a handful, I think. Needs to be changed.

Make no mistake. Not sure how being bought and paid for by trial lawyers became the moral high ground.

In comment 12297918 Headhunter said:

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is Democrat v Republican or Left v Right. I'm as guilty as anyone here, but when did everything become so political. It really does suck, it flavors all the news and it is a ridiculous way to view things.

Headhunter - it's so interesting you say this.

I can tell you that I don't feel this way at all. Yes, I know that the right and the left exist and have an opinion. My situation is that I do not agree with either the right or the left on enough of the issues to feel as though I'm connected to one or the other. Depending on the issue I may be more conservative or more progressive, and I'm self-aware enough to realize that my viewpoint is evolving on issues over time as well.

To me there's just the facts, and then a bunch of noise that I basically tune out all the time.

Effective immediately, TLC has pulled all episodes of 19 Kids and Counting currently from the air. We are deeply saddened and troubled by this heartbreaking situation, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time.

Some of the comments to the statement ...

Just pull Josh. Show the rest of the family. The show shouldn't be condemned for his actions.

So you will still show the programs about weird sex, a guy that has multiple wives, and other bad things but you won't keep a show about a family that has a real past and learned to forgive and move on without becoming bitter and entitled? Classy tlc.

NOOOOOO! Everybody makes mistakes. I sure wouldn't want the world to know everything I did at 15. Have a forgiving heart!

Wow. I won't be watching TLC until this show is returned. What a low blow.

I'm so upset with this. I have worked with youth sex offenders and Josh has taken all the right steps. He got treatment and is living a good life. I'm proud of him. TLC is making a mistake.

Effective immediately, our family has pulled TLC from our station list. We are deeply saddened and troubled by TLC's knee jerk reaction, our thoughts and prayers are with Josh Duggar and the entire Duggar family as their good name is being smeared and dragged through the mud and muck.

Excuse me but this happened TWELVE years ago. The family sought God - Josh sought forgiveness and they gave that to him. You just lost a long time viewer of TLC here. I refuse to watch ANYTHING on your show now.

I am so very sad! It's the only show I watch! The Duggar family is wonderful. The situation happened 12 years ago and was dealt with. No Reason to punish Josh or the Duggar family now. I am disappointed in this decision.

Wow. Judgement of a fourteen year old and his actions which were wrong and corrected and dealt with are going to affect the show after all these years. Shame on you TLC. The media is always looking for a way to spoil something that so many have enjoyed.

It happened like 12 yrs ago and no I don't condone it nor am I defending him. But the Appropriate actions AND Such Were done and he got help. He has asked for forgiveness and asked God for forgiveness.... don't know why this is being brought up now. It's ridiculous.

I'll be boycotting all TLC shows! It's ridiculous to think it's ok to cancel a show about a nice Christian family because of something that one family member did as a minor! Look at all the other trash on tv... And 19 kids and counting gets pulled?!

"The channel was founded in 1972 by the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare and NASA as the Appalachian Community Service Network,[3][4] and was an informative and instructional network focused on providing real education through the medium of television; it was distributed at no cost by NASA satellite.

ACSN was privatized in 1980, and its name was changed to "The Learning Channel" in November of that year; the name was subsequently shortened to "TLC."[5] (NASA immediately launched NASA TV as the ACSN's internal replacement). The channel mostly featured documentary content pertaining to nature, science, history, current events, medicine, technology, cooking, home improvement, and other information-based topic"

to watch that show, imagine the damage needed to get so upset that you need to comment when its cancelled.

Not like it was Gumbel 2 Gumbel...

He did these things. That is a fact which he confirmed.

As for statute of limitations, most states have them for sexual abuse of minors. The biggest proponent of the statutes if the Catholic Church.

In comment 12298107 Rob in CT/NYC said:

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Make no mistake. Not sure how being bought and paid for by trial lawyers became the moral high ground.

That's a pretty dated boogeyman. "Trial lawyers" are a pretty impotent group as a source of contributions these days. And they were never very effective. Even when they were giving a lot they got hurt with PSLRA, SLUSA, and the the Class Action Fairness Act.

The major money in politics is (1) corporations, (2) unions, (3) individual rich people, and (4) aggregated grass roots contributions. Everything else pales (I may be forgetting a source or two).
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Springdale Police spokesman Scott Lewis said Judge Stacey Zimmerman ordered the 2006 offense report destroyed Thursday. Zimmerman didn't return a request for comment Friday. "The judge ordered us yesterday to expunge that record," Lewis said, adding that similar records are typically kept indefinitely. "As far as the Springdale Police Department is concerned this report doesn't exist."

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