Cutting Will Beatty

now that he's injured, it doesn't make much sense to cut him at all. A hefty settlement would have to be reached.

In comment 12298046 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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now that he's injured, it doesn't make much sense to cut him at all. A hefty settlement would have to be reached.

Exactly. My hope is that he is 100% by the time the bye week ends. It is a long season and he'll be needed if healthy. Just a freaking shame this happened though!

Every single indication has been RT, no matter how many fans insist the two positions are interchangeable.

Flowers was, is, and will be a LT. What is it that you don't understand about that. 3 year starter at LT at Miami. Pugh does not have the same experience at that position. Everybody is a freaking GM on here. It was said the Giants viewed him as a LT. Let's let it all shake out before rushing to judgement.

In comment 12298051 Matt M. said:

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Every single indication has been RT, no matter how many fans insist the two positions are interchangeable.

I think he's an immediate fit for RT or Guard while LT isn't a given IMO.

says...now that he's hurt, you can't cut him.

is that fuckin' Jerry Reese didn't use that first round pick we got from the Saints for Shockey to draft La'el Collins.

In comment 12298060 collins25 said:

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Flowers was, is, and will be a LT. What is it that you don't understand about that. 3 year starter at LT at Miami. Pugh does not have the same experience at that position. Everybody is a freaking GM on here. It was said the Giants viewed him as a LT. Let's let it all shake out before rushing to judgement.

Pugh was a LT at Syracuse for three years and a damn good one. He has two years of experience at RT in the NFL. Flowers as most Tackles coming into the league needs to start out on the right side to develop.

I would just put him in at LT and let him get some experience. He has a much higher ceiling than Pugh. I'd still prefer to see Pugh at LG, but our hands are tied.

In comment 12298060 collins25 said:

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Flowers was, is, and will be a LT. What is it that you don't understand about that. 3 year starter at LT at Miami. Pugh does not have the same experience at that position. Everybody is a freaking GM on here. It was said the Giants viewed him as a LT. Let's let it all shake out before rushing to judgement.

Uhhhh, Pugh was the starter at LOT for all 4 years at Syracuse.

SMH

didn't see your post. Pugh claimed it was 4 years.

There's no way he stays with the Giants next year at a $9M cap hit.

Thing work? And what would the difference be had he not gotten hurt, if he was healthy it's fair to say we would almost all agree he's our best option at left tackle and that his cap is high but if he plays well it's deserving enough but anywho what would cutting him do in terms of cap space for next season do? Would we have years and years of dead money on our hands or what?

IN COLLEGE, who can deny that the physical requirements to play Left Tackle in the NFL suit Flowers much more so than Pugh, Flowers is bigger and has longer arms, he can also move very well. Pugh would have all my confidence at LT but can people stop saying he's better suited for it then Flowers when that remains to be seen since they have equal experience at this level -- NONE!

Equal experience with PLAYING LEFT TACKLE at this level

In comment 12298168 est1986 said:

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Would we have years and years of dead money on our hands or what?

Yes, it would be a ton of dead money.

Pugh - ????? - Richburg - Schwartz - Flowers

May the best men win though.

In comment 12298173 est1986 said:

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IN COLLEGE, who can deny that the physical requirements to play Left Tackle in the NFL suit Flowers much more so than Pugh, Flowers is bigger and has longer arms, he can also move very well. Pugh would have all my confidence at LT but can people stop saying he's better suited for it then Flowers when that remains to be seen since they have equal experience at this level -- NONE!

Relax, snapperhead. There will 100% for sure be competition for that very important slot. If the Giants believe Flowers is ready this year to guard Eli's blindside, he'll start. If Pugh is better, he'll get the nod.

Beatty was very good in pass pro. He only fault and it is considerable is that he didn't have that nasty streak you'd like to see to really help in the run game.

RE: Will Beatty's Agent
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In comment 12297791 est1986 said:
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Has to be rooting against Ereck Flowers. Beatty getting cut can save us how much exactly? We need to resign Manning, JPP, and Prince


If you cut him next year (as a Pre-June 1st cut), then the Giants will gain $4,175,000 in cap savings. If they designate him as a post-June 1st cut, then the Giants will gain $6,675,000 in cap savings.

Heem!

If you cut Beatty next year (as a Pre-June 1st cut), then the Giants will gain $4,175,000 in cap savings. If they designate him as a post-June 1st cut, then the Giants will gain $6,675,000 in cap savings. Please see the link below:



William Beatty's salary cap page - OverTheCap.com - ( New Window )

to be his last year with the Giants before the injury. Things remain the same. He will return to the Giants half way through 15, and that will be it. Hate it when anybody gets injured. Bright, hard working guy.

In comment 12298153 mrvax said:

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didn't see your post. Pugh claimed it was 4 years.

You are probably right. I thought it was three years but I am probably wrong. Good catch mrvax.

Before you were sure you had a replacement who is better?

This is what I see in landscape mode...

Sorry

Above average OTs often play into their mid 30s. If we convert some salary to signing bonus would he restructure at a reasonable number on a 3 or 4 year deal?

Of course all this assumes he comes back and gets his old job this season. I think his chances are about 50/50. If it doesn't happen (either because he never makes it back healthy or when he does come back the line is functioning well without him and he can't find a starting role), I agree he won't be back next year.

But I guess my point is I believe he's a starting LT somewhere in NFL next year. Why not here?

In comment 12300295 aquidneck said:

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Above average OTs often play into their mid 30s. If we convert some salary to signing bonus would he restructure at a reasonable number on a 3 or 4 year deal? Of course all this assumes he comes back and gets his old job this season. I think his chances are about 50/50. If it doesn't happen (either because he never makes it back healthy or when he does come back the line is functioning well without him and he can't find a starting role), I agree he won't be back next year. But I guess my point is I believe he's a starting LT somewhere in NFL next year. Why not here?

Where do people get that above average OTs generally play into their mid 30s. And at what level. Name the 5 mid 30 year old top tier LOTs playing today at 32-33

Beatty is not and has never been above average. How many pro bowls has he made? All pro never a shot. Other than some subjective PFF rankings and here BBI no one else in the NFL would classify his body of work as above average.

Doesn't mean he should be cut but there's a cost benefit to every player in the NFL. The question is is he worth his contract price. A year off and he will be 31. Pretty much same age as DD and McKenzie when their started deteriorating. If Flowers or Pugh are better at LT Beatty should be gone. If they can't then he stays one more year.

In comment 12298474 Optimus-NY said:

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If you cut Beatty next year (as a Pre-June 1st cut), then the Giants will gain $4,175,000 in cap savings. If they designate him as a post-June 1st cut, then the Giants will gain $6,675,000 in cap savings. Please see the link below: William Beatty's salary cap page - OverTheCap.com - ( New Window )

I think that $6,675,000 savings is based on 2016.

It is possible for Beatty to return late this season and we've all seen how additional injuries occur during the season so Beatty could get a shot at playing time.

He's very cuttable next yeat but I think he stays this year. No way he's here two years from now.