Do you think the Giants lack talent overall?

I realize that. My point is I think we have enough talent to compete in a watered down NFL. But I think we need some things to break our way with Cruz, Beason, Flowers, Collins, Odighizuwa.

My guess is Dallas is still the best team in the division. But would anyone really be shocked if they took a step back this year? Teams have trouble repeating in the NFC East.

In comment 12298822 RetroJint said:

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However, the inimitable Bill T is still missing the larger picture on Dallas. Even losing Murray, I say they are better now than last year. And you have not been paying attention to receivers like Beasley and Williams and TEs like Escobar & Hannah.

Completely honored to be mentioned but let's look at "TEs like Escobar & Hannah." Escobar had 9 receptions in 2014 just like he did in 2013 and Hannah in his 3rd year had 4. As far as WR "Beasley and Williams" together had about as many receptions and yards as Randle did alone. Dallas hype.

Understood. I believe we can throw it with anybody. We can't run the ball. Jennings and Williams are marginal and Vereen will help Eli more than the running game. I'm not convinced that Flowers is the goods either.

Defensively we got better in the draft and we will be improved up front, however, our LB corps is average at best and our talent at safety is unproven although I love Collins. Feel good about Prince and DRC. Specials are a question as usual. Brown has been good, but I'm not sold that he's a top notch kicker.

We may have talent to compete, but this club has not shown the ability to overcome difficult situations in 3 seasons. When things get though trecent TC teams collapse. I'm not convinced it won't happen again.

Great post. you are a Giant, true and blue. Mostly accurate. Hope we can come back but think we are in a downward spiral. Coughlin was the man who turned it all around. The jealous Accoursi split because he knew he was out of power as soon as TC was hired. The personnel management team of Mara and Reese are proven incompetents and should be replaced. Wishful thinking.

I'm going all in baby....(grin)...I think Andre Williams really surprises this year.

I honestly think(fwiw) that everything fell just right for Dallas last year..No doubt their OL is young and solid, but I still believe many will be surprised how the loss of Murray will hurt..Sure, others filled in at times snd had very good ypc behind that line. However, Murray sustained his productivity throughout an ENTIRE season, while those that spelled him had nowhere near the workload..

As you said about Romo, his back could easily break down..As great as the line tor him was, he took a tremendous beating throughout the year(some of it was on him and not the OL)...

They were thisclose to the NFC title game and I believe, even with their impressive additions on paper, complacency might easily set in..

In comment 12298992 Eric from BBI said:

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I'm going all in baby....(grin)...I think Andre Williams really surprises this year.

Eric -- I like it -- but you're stating to scare the cr@p out of me. : )
Go Giants!!
Yeah Baby!!

In comment 12298991 TMS said:

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Great post. you are a Giant, true and blue. Mostly accurate. Hope we can come back but think we are in a downward spiral. Coughlin was the man who turned it all around. The jealous Accoursi split because he knew he was out of power as soon as TC was hired. The personnel management team of Mara and Reese are proven incompetents and should be replaced. Wishful thinking.

For you, it should be no thinking.

last year's 1st Philly game comes to mind.

We just need some damn luck with injuries. And I thought we were due for some, before Beatty's setback.

just forget about getting lucky with injuries. This team has had injuries forever. If you recall, Fassel was dealing with that and was using it as an excuse. TC gets hired and said that injuries are mental and that it will end.... it never ended. He has also been dealing with it EVERY YEAR.

So, it is up to the GM to make sure that the team has QUALITY depth so that when someone goes down, we have a replacement who can hold his own. Does not have to be a superstar but cannot be a liability. That is the difference.

Regarding the talent question originally proposed. We have two players on offense (Eli and OBJ) and one player on defense (JPP). Of course you can add Cruz but only if he fully recovers. So, right now he is not the asset he once was. We also have a pretty good punter. The rest of the team is average or below. However, I really hope that after this season we can add Cruz, Richburg and Collins to the list.

the fuck do you even post anymore?

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Giants hold onto aging and injured talent too Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/23/2015 5:07 pm : link : reply Long. I think Cruz should take a year off. I think him being ready ready week one is big mistake.

So, it is up to the GM to make sure that the team has QUALITY depth so that when someone goes down, we have a replacement who can hold his own. Does not have to be a superstar but cannot be a liability. That is the difference.

Having OLmen take up space on the bench, that you have no confidence in, has to end.....can't we get another "Boothe"?

losing a starter doesn't impact wins and losses is foolish. This is a parity league now. Any time you have to reach for your reserve guys and put them against starters, they will generally lose the battle on every play.

That adds up over the course of the game and season. The more reserve guys you are starting, the worse the effect gets.

It's impossible to know exactly how many wins & losses injuries will account for but it is significant, IMO.

No one expects a backup to be as good as a starter, but you expect them to be able to go out there and give a reasonable effort....you don't even get that from the backups we have...

There is no team that can have a good backup for every position......

When you think of Boothe being able to come in and help that 2011 team, that was huge.....Reese took that element away from this team by counting on him as starter, which he wasn't....he was much more valuable as a versatile backup....who was our "Boothe" last year? Who will it be this year?

oline, linebackers, dline. Coaching is also a big problem. As mentioned countless times on this board, this coaching unit seems to squander draft talent whether it be developing them to contribute or playing them in general. This problem is no different than real business, and managers get fired continually for not developing an organization that produces results.

I would like to see Reese without a TC and staff in the future to assess his worth to the organization. Suspect we could be much better and in the post season more often.

In comment 12299136 Doomster said:

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No one expects a backup to be as good as a starter, but you expect them to be able to go out there and give a reasonable effort....you don't even get that from the backups we have... There is no team that can have a good backup for every position...... When you think of Boothe being able to come in and help that 2011 team, that was huge.....Reese took that element away from this team by counting on him as starter, which he wasn't....he was much more valuable as a versatile backup....who was our "Boothe" last year? Who will it be this year?

And you might be missing an even bigger point: What happens when the quality depth is injured? Look back and see how many those have been..THAT has been problematical as well, no?

Well, if your starters are hurt, and their capable replacement are hurt, what do expect? But this team doesn't even have capable ones...

You end up signing players off the street, like we did in 2005...

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In comment 12298720 AnishPatel said: Quote: but that tends to happen when in the past your drafts have sucked. Add injuries and bad coaching at times, and you get a shit show. We need our recent draft classes to be productive and hope that the injury bug can leave us. Spags and Ben M. give me hope that both systems can be good for us. Injuries don't "tend" to happen. They happen or they don't. They happen to some teams and not others. This team healthy was competitive last year. Competitive for the SB, no. Competitive for a wildcard, yes. (And I said competitive not a lock.)

"Do you think the Giants lack talent overall?"

The tend I was referring to was the general question posted by Jim. I said yes, in reference to we do lack overall talent, and that tends to happen when your drafts have sucked. As for injuries, yes they happen or they don't, and it seems in our case the injury bug does occur with our team and impacted us this past season.

However, I don't think this team would have been competitive for a WC. I don't think our team was that good at all, I am assuming a healthy team, like you mentioned. New system on offense and Fewells system would have been two critical areas I would have loved to see with a healthy team. Who knows maybe you would be correct and we would be competitive for a WC. I just don't see it.

In comment 12299216 Doomster said:

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Well, if your starters are hurt, and their capable replacement are hurt, what do expect? But this team doesn't even have capable ones... You end up signing players off the street, like we did in 2005...

That's my point..

In comment 12299186 mdc1 said:

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oline, linebackers, dline. Coaching is also a big problem. As mentioned countless times on this board, this coaching unit seems to squander draft talent whether it be developing them to contribute or playing them in general. This problem is no different than real business, and managers get fired continually for not developing an organization that produces results. I would like to see Reese without a TC and staff in the future to assess his worth to the organization. Suspect we could be much better and in the post season more often.

I am as rabid about the coaching staff's development of players as I am about Reese's risky draft picks --

If you're going to knock them -- you also have to give them credit for making something out of nothing -- like Jake Ballard, Kevin Boss, and Larry Donnell

How about Victor Cruz -- UDFA?
How about Henry Hynoski --UDFA?
How about Kerry Wynn -- UDFA?
How about Chase Blackburn --- UDFA?
How about James Butler -- UDFA ?

by the way -- the list goes on of players they made into something -- who were nothing.

What -- how can it be UDFA's that make the team with coaches that can;t coach??

You want to knock them for not developing Robinson, who has the talent but no brain - Marvin Austin who was a high risk pick -- or for failing the 2012 draft -- which was widely a back draft for most teams -- and a draft were the Giants had the last pick in each round -- knock them for Barden who had oodles of talent but no discipline?

How the heck could this coaching staff ever even win a super bowl if it sux so bad in the player development department???

that all teams get their talent from the same source, college, but its what you do with the talent after you get them and to me that falls squarely on the coaches. When you look at other teams rosters there are guys starting and playing very well that most of us have never heard of, its coaching IMO.

did you completely ignore the post above that outlined a shitload of players who were UDFA's who have excelled for this team?

Saying we don't get anything out of players nobody has heard of right below a post that shows we do is about as moronic as one can get.

what's missing are gamers. Guys who can do what needs to be done to win. We need more gamers.

I agree with you. The giants talent level has improved and they have very talented players at very important positions.

In comment 12300529 WideRight said:

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what's missing are gamers. Guys who can do what needs to be done to win. We need more gamers.

We just need Eli to get to thenplayoffs..:)

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