I find this amusing as to how much Kehoe praised Flowers, but yet see this article pop up. To me, I don't buy the fact that he is not coachable. The Giants staff pretty much do theie homework when it comes to a 1st round selection. If he has as bad of a technique as what it is quoted in the article, then I take it as how much physically gifted Flowers is for not allowing a sack last season, granted it is at the college level. I know the nuiances of technique very important at the pro level, but I feel the Giants selected Flowers for the purpose of knowing he is coachable.
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The good news is that we will very shortly see what we have and what our coaches do with him.
He was a boy starting at the toughest OL position at the highest level of competition. Let's wait and see what happens.
And, I'm not a fan re: these voices from the shadows and sometimes from under rocks) taking shots at these kids. Coach Snuffleupagus says "...."
If they thought about it for a second then they might come up with more solid stories to write about.
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Good analysis and conclusions. He liked him at #20, we took him at #9. Not good value considering all our other needs.
You're going to argue that we had other needs that were more pressing than a stud OL?
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breakdown of Flower's through SBnation. I thought is was some good critique. Link - ( New Window )
Good analysis and conclusions. He liked him at #20, we took him at #9. Not good value considering all our other needs.
You're going to argue that we had other needs that were more pressing than a stud OL?
I suppose Safety was a more pressing need. Maybe they should have taken the number one rated safety in Collins....
Wait.
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breakdown of Flower's through SBnation. I thought is was some good critique. Link - ( New Window )
Good analysis and conclusions. He liked him at #20, we took him at #9. Not good value considering all our other needs.
This is a good critique, but does not necessarily mean he is worth a #20 pick. That is his opinion. Pugh went #19 and the so called experts thought he was a second round value and he didn't turn out that bad. Same could be said about the Cowboys taking Fredricks that same draft and they got blasted. Can't come to the conclusion now that Flowers is not worth #9 pick. Imagine if he does improve his technique?
These articles assume and jump to conclusions. HE IS 3 years removed from HS.
Considered a great hard working kid......
Could dominate as full time professional
So he's very, very raw, with huge upside.
Look there was a very polished mammoth guy available at 9, Andrus Peat, who some team saw fit to take 4 picks later than Flowers at 13 overall, right?
That tells me the Giants were very sold on Flowers as being their guy. From a GM who likes shiny hood ornaments.
So, to me, the 2015 draft was a home run for Reese and friends.
Good college OT, don't see him being a good NFL OT.
Good college OT, don't see him being a good NFL OT.
Lordy you are a moron. Or maybe the draft evaluation team working for The Saints are morons, cuz they drafted Peat 4 slots after the Giants at 13?
Naw, I'm stickin' with you as the moron here, along with a fair sized herd of billy goats here who thought "no OL this [2015] year is worth the #9 pick" (ugh Scherff was taken 5th!) and "no running back is worth the #9 pick" umm, Gurley was picked 10th and Gordon 15th with the Chargers moving up to get him at 15....
As a Giants fan, I hope Peat turns out to be a great #13 pick. And Flowers turns out even better!
Who else should they have taken at #9?
Gordon at #9?
Who else should they have taken at #9?
What defensive player would you have taken at #9?
Gordon at #9?
I actually liked Gordon more than Gurley, not even considering the injury. He looks to me like a guy who's still ascending in terms of learning the position. And his vision is just outstanding, best I've seen in a long while. When so many here echoed draft pundit thoughts that Gordon would be selected something like 20-25th, I said that was bogus and to me he looked like a top 15 talent for sure. Well just barely, but that's where he was selected - top 15.
Yeah I could be way wrong, but this guy I feel really strongly about and I'm not the only one who really loved Gordon this draft...
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Said for weeks, unless they took one of the two WR's (who were both gone), they were going to draft an OL. Only options were Peat or Flowers.
Who else should they have taken at #9?
We need help on defense looking at our performance last year, especially against the run, Danny Shelton was available. Hope Flowers becomes all world but there were other options. Liked the first three picks overall. We will see.
As was pointed out by many, Shelton is a 2 down player. No way you take a huge overweight DT at 9 who's coming out on 3rd and long, maybe even 2nd and long.
That's a really good observation.+1
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Seantrel Henderson.... He was considered an underachieving disaster under Kehoe at Miami,
That's a really good observation.+1
I'm going -1.
Henderson went in the 7th round for a reason. He was suspended as a sophomore for pot, suspended for spring practice the next year for pot, and suspended again in his senior year for pot. He failed another drug test at the Combine, and finally quit working out in the middle of his pro day.
Somehow I don't think those actions have anything to do with Kehoe's competence as an OL coach.
To me Flowers looks like a great athlete for his size, and someone who can be special. But he has a lot of work to do if he's gonna excel. He IS very sloppy at present, imo.
Surprised they didn't grab Flowers and leave the Giants holding the bag.
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Seantrel Henderson.... He was considered an underachieving disaster under Kehoe at Miami,
That's a really good observation.+1
I'm going -1.
Henderson went in the 7th round for a reason. He was suspended as a sophomore for pot, suspended for spring practice the next year for pot, and suspended again in his senior year for pot. He failed another drug test at the Combine, and finally quit working out in the middle of his pro day.
Somehow I don't think those actions have anything to do with Kehoe's competence as an OL coach.
To me Flowers looks like a great athlete for his size, and someone who can be special. But he has a lot of work to do if he's gonna excel. He IS very sloppy at present, imo.
Kinda drawing the line at his technique. Not blammg anybody but the player for misbehaving and breaking the rules.
SB, that's fair. And I apologize for singling you out from what seemed like a herd response to Peat's body shape, but I think you and others who ripped him were (are) way off the mark. So far, the NFL agrees with me. Peat was a top 15 pick.
The reason Scherff went higher, is he's ready to play now, at a high level. Flowers will likely take some lumps while he learns technique. If he's a sponge, and he can implement technique work.. we have a stud for years at right OR left tackle.
The reason Scherff went higher, is he's ready to play now, at a high level. Flowers will likely take some lumps while he learns technique. If he's a sponge, and he can implement technique work.. we have a stud for years at right OR left tackle.
I haven't scouted the guy myself but seen many reviews saying Scherff is not tackle material at all for the NFL level. Skins took him anyway just to confuse people.
Scherff is a damn good OL, period.
Scherff can be a great, pro-bowl guard. Maybe even HOF class (which I seriously doubt). If Williams turns out to be a stud there should always be doubt cast upon the Scherff selection, because finding plus talent at OG is so much easier than finding it on the DL.
Scherff is a damn good OL, period.
Obviously, this is on an individual basis, but Iowa's track record for OL performing in the NFL is poor, considering how they pump up their prospects for the draft.
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playing OG, who gives a damn he's not an OT. Not his coaches, I'd bet.
Scherff is a damn good OL, period.
Obviously, this is on an individual basis, but Iowa's track record for OL performing in the NFL is poor, considering how they pump up their prospects for the draft.
Hi David wassup? I think Scherff will prove an exception to that trend, but anyway I am glad we took Flowers after watching more and more of his game tape. He's been dominant at the collegiate level, has great feet, and really, really gives a shit, every play.
And EF is two years away from Scherff in development. If EF grinds and stays healthy, in 2 years at age 23 he will be a mofu OLT.