NFT: Phillies at Mets Game 1

we are still in a holding pattern until we know what the deal is with Wright. Sandy mentioned he thought they would be able to make a decision in a few days so let's hope.

In the meantime, TDA cant get here fast enough and lets hope the guys that are here continue to heat up.

We could use his bat right now.

I thought Turner was a complete turd. Then he goes to LA and becomes a 4 WAR player.

Ridiculous.

deal here. I must have been one of the only people here that liked him. Thought he was a good bench piece.

In comment 12300582 ZGiants98 said:

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but Cuddyer has played a ton of third in his life. Acquiring a corner OF and moving Cuddyer to third might be a solution, although likely not the best one.

Seriously? He's 36 and has trouble staying healthy...

In comment 12300604 speedywheels said:

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In comment 12300582 ZGiants98 said: Quote: but Cuddyer has played a ton of third in his life. Acquiring a corner OF and moving Cuddyer to third might be a solution, although likely not the best one. Seriously? He's 36 and has trouble staying healthy...

Yes. Seriously. 36 year olds cant play 3rd? Likely just as demanding as running around the OF. Obviously it wouldn't be ideal but maybe you could platoon a few players and get him in the lineup that way if you acquired an OF bat.

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bummed we ended up with Boyd when Tucker didn't answer his phone.

In comment 12300584 Four Aces said:

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In comment 12300546 Giants2012 said: Find something else to discuss. You must have other concerns. Because Flores shouldn't be your main one or at the top of your list.

I've hit on just every other concern since before opening day and Flores isn't going to go away anytime soon. It's amazing how another win over hapless Philly changes the whole tune but doesn't really change anything.

I expressed my Grandy, Cuddyer, Niese, Wright before this diagnosis, the middle infield, Murphy etc and have hit on all of them if you check out the predictions.

From his opening start, I mentioned how Thor's knee doesn't come up with a runner on first which makes his ball either dive or sail out of control. Few recognized it (and comically still don't) yet in Thor's second start with a runner on first, his knee dropped and his ball almost took off Gomez's face.

Flores, in his short career so far in his 22nd thru 24th years of young life, has hit .240, with a .276 OB%, and .373 slug %. As a 24 year old, his slug % is .419, as a 22 year old in 95 at bats it was .295, so he is clearly improving. And a team-leading 7 dingers.

Jeff Kent, with 377 career homers and 1,518 RBIs, started his career briefly with Toronto, and was traded to the Mets in his rookie year in 1992 during that season. He had 305 at bats, 11 homers, 50 RBIs, hit .239. Nice RBIs, but otherwise nothing special.

In 1993 -1996, as a 25-28 year old, Kent substantially improved. The following 9 years, he averaged 110 RBIs. Mets were not patient enough, and missed what would have been their best offensive player ever.

Lucas Duda struggled with insecurity as a young arrival being used in an uncomfortable fielding position. He weathered a lot of criticism. He had some real hitting droughts. Was sent back to the minors. Patience on the fans' part was quite limited. Fans wanted him gone, Ike, Ike, he's our man, etc.

Then a funny thing happened. Duda won out over Ike last spring, got to play at 1B, turns out he fields darned well.

He also at the same time felt he belonged, and adjusted and improved. Especially since June 2014. Since then, he has hit .278 in 517 ABs, 34 doubles, 29 homers, 88 RBIs in a little over 140 starts.

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In comment 12300608 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12300604 speedywheels said: Quote: In comment 12300582 ZGiants98 said: Quote: but Cuddyer has played a ton of third in his life. Acquiring a corner OF and moving Cuddyer to third might be a solution, although likely not the best one. Seriously? He's 36 and has trouble staying healthy... Yes. Seriously. 36 year olds cant play 3rd? Likely just as demanding as running around the OF. Obviously it wouldn't be ideal but maybe you could platoon a few players and get him in the lineup that way if you acquired an OF bat.

First of all, it's not called the hot corner for nothing, it's a VERY demanding position. Certainly more demanding that playing a corner OF position.

Second, he's hardly played a "ton" (as you put it) of 3B; he's played a whopping 174 games over 7 seasons. In other words, barely more than 1 season, over a 14 year career.

Third, outside of 3 games in 2014, he hasn't played 3B since 2010. And even that year, he played all of 14 games.

There is a reason why teams look to move 36 year olds OFF of 3rd base, to a position that is less demanding psychically; you don't see teams move a 36 year old TO 3B

So yeah, at this point in his career moving Cuddyer to 3B is pretty dumb idea

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Of the 174 games he played at 3B, he played 138 of them over 2 years - 2004 and 2005. When he was 25-26 years old.

So moving him back to the position TEN years later somehow makes sense?

Nobody has ever doubted Flores' bat. Jeff Kent wasn't a patience issue. Not that the Mets had the most credible clubhouse but the guy was a clubhouse nightmare according to many. He hated the Mets and he forced his way out of town. His continued ways resulted in a very short stint in Cleveland.

Meanwhile, Flores has been a pretty quiet kid.

there were. Some of those names people wanted to give up the farm for. Wilmer offensively is second to none and more than holds his own defensively based on metrics
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Simmons might eventually be a HOFer. The guy is an absolutely incredible defensive player

In comment 12300627 speedywheels said:

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Of the 174 games he played at 3B, he played 138 of them over 2 years - 2004 and 2005. When he was 25-26 years old. So moving him back to the position TEN years later somehow makes sense?

You are a complete moron. What are you trying to say? That I'm somehow trying to anoint Cuddyer our 3rd baseman of the future?? Get a fucking life. I said from the beginning it was likely a poor idea. I was simply suggesting a few possibilities IF we acquired a big outfield bat while Wright is out.

Just another demonstration of the LOUD Sabers reciting stats yet not understanding the game at all.

outfielder who can be part of the team's future. If that means moving Cuddyer to super overpaid reserve, so be it.

The Mets are getting killed in the corner outfield positions production wise and while I like Confroto going forward, Nimmo is not a good enough player to prevent you from getting a much needed big bat.

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outfielder who can be part of the team's future. If that means moving Cuddyer to super overpaid reserve, so be it.

Com'on chris, they're not going to do that. The Mets never eat dollars and actually lost a #1 pick for this guy.

Many never understood the offseason and Spring training drool over this older player. Maverick should have addressed the LF position with a better player and all the metrics in the world don't cover up another Maverick F'up in the open market. Until he gets injured, and he will, he's your left fielder and there isn't much on deck.

In comment 12300671 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12300627 speedywheels said: Quote: Of the 174 games he played at 3B, he played 138 of them over 2 years - 2004 and 2005. When he was 25-26 years old. So moving him back to the position TEN years later somehow makes sense? You are a complete moron. What are you trying to say? That I'm somehow trying to anoint Cuddyer our 3rd baseman of the future?? Get a fucking life. I said from the beginning it was likely a poor idea. I was simply suggesting a few possibilities IF we acquired a big outfield bat while Wright is out.

Holy shit! Calm the fuck down, man.

I simply said it was a dumb idea. I never said you were "anointing" him a the 3B of the future. Moving a 36 year old injury prone player to 3B (a position he hasn't played regularly in 10 years) in the event of a acquiring a big bat in the OF in the hopes of getting him some AB's is not a dumb idea; it's a fucking stupid idea.

If this mythical big OF bat is somehow magically acquired, he can continue to get AB's by spelling Duda against LHP. Otherwise, he can sit is .230 hitting ass on the bench save and wait for some PH appearances and/or play DH against AL teams. But playing him at 3B - even just to get a few AB's - is stupid. Period.

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Just another demonstration of the LOUD Sabers reciting stats yet not understanding the game at all.

I was speaking in regards to Cuddyer specifically who has had a series of leg injuries, ect. You don't need a lot range or speed to play third(the very case your making to move Flores there). I never meant to suggest Cuddyer was our answer to all our prayers at third base moving forward. Merely was saying he could play there in a pinch or in a platoon role possibly if we were hell bent on acquiring another bat in the OF. Again, I said from the beginning it was likely a poor solution. But have fun jumping on my case about something I was fully just throwing out there in the first place.

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In comment 12300723 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12300696 Giants2012 said: Quote: Just another demonstration of the LOUD Sabers reciting stats yet not understanding the game at all. I was speaking in regards to Cuddyer specifically who has had a series of leg injuries, ect. You don't need a lot range or speed to play third(the very case your making to move Flores there). I never meant to suggest Cuddyer was our answer to all our prayers at third base moving forward. Merely was saying he could play there in a pinch or in a platoon role possibly if we were hell bent on acquiring another bat in the OF. Again, I said from the beginning it was likely a poor solution. But have fun jumping on my case about something I was fully just throwing out there in the first place.

And you also said that playing 3B is just as physically demanding as running around in the OF. Which is a ridiculous statement

are likely BOTH worst options defensively at third btw.

In comment 12300730 speedywheels said:

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In comment 12300723 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 12300696 Giants2012 said: Quote: Just another demonstration of the LOUD Sabers reciting stats yet not understanding the game at all. I was speaking in regards to Cuddyer specifically who has had a series of leg injuries, ect. You don't need a lot range or speed to play third(the very case your making to move Flores there). I never meant to suggest Cuddyer was our answer to all our prayers at third base moving forward. Merely was saying he could play there in a pinch or in a platoon role possibly if we were hell bent on acquiring another bat in the OF. Again, I said from the beginning it was likely a poor solution. But have fun jumping on my case about something I was fully just throwing out there in the first place. And you also said that playing 3B is just as physically demanding as running around in the OF. Which is a ridiculous statement

Did you not read what I just fucking wrote? I just answered that saying I was talking about that in regards to Cuddyer specifically who has had a series of leg injuries, ect.

and won't leave yourself so exposed. I mean, coming off "Cuddyer is playing the best defense he's played in a decade" followed by claiming OF isn't more strenuous than 3rd base while calling another poster a moron proves what? You're all over the place . . . again?

In comment 12300617 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12300584 Four Aces said: Quote: In comment 12300546 Giants2012 said: Find something else to discuss. You must have other concerns. Because Flores shouldn't be your main one or at the top of your list. I've hit on just every other concern since before opening day and Flores isn't going to go away anytime soon. It's amazing how another win over hapless Philly changes the whole tune but doesn't really change anything. I expressed my Grandy, Cuddyer, Niese, Wright before this diagnosis, the middle infield, Murphy etc and have hit on all of them if you check out the predictions. From his opening start, I mentioned how Thor's knee doesn't come up with a runner on first which makes his ball either dive or sail out of control. Few recognized it (and comically still don't) yet in Thor's second start with a runner on first, his knee dropped and his ball almost took off Gomez's face. LMAO. THE KNEEE!!! THE KNEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

In comment 12300740 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12300617 Giants2012 said: Quote: In comment 12300584 Four Aces said: Quote: In comment 12300546 Giants2012 said: Find something else to discuss. You must have other concerns. Because Flores shouldn't be your main one or at the top of your list. I've hit on just every other concern since before opening day and Flores isn't going to go away anytime soon. It's amazing how another win over hapless Philly changes the whole tune but doesn't really change anything. I expressed my Grandy, Cuddyer, Niese, Wright before this diagnosis, the middle infield, Murphy etc and have hit on all of them if you check out the predictions. From his opening start, I mentioned how Thor's knee doesn't come up with a runner on first which makes his ball either dive or sail out of control. Few recognized it (and comically still don't) yet in Thor's second start with a runner on first, his knee dropped and his ball almost took off Gomez's face. LMAO. THE KNEEE!!! THE KNEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

No saber stat for mechanics? Nah, but look at the MPH b/c that's "AWESOME" said little nephew.

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and won't leave yourself so exposed. I mean, coming off "Cuddyer is playing the best defense he's played in a decade" followed by claiming OF isn't more strenuous than 3rd base while calling another poster a moron proves what? You're all over the place . . . again?

Cuddyer is playing the best defense he's played in a decade. FACT. It likely isn't more strenuous for him since he has experience there and is just as likely to injure himself running around in the OF, yes. And jumping on my case for just spit-balling an idea THAT I myself CALLED POOR deserves the moron response, yes.

FEAR THE KNEEEEE!!!

In comment 12300749 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12300737 Giants2012 said: Quote: and won't leave yourself so exposed. I mean, coming off "Cuddyer is playing the best defense he's played in a decade" followed by claiming OF isn't more strenuous than 3rd base while calling another poster a moron proves what? You're all over the place . . . again? Cuddyer is playing the best defense he's played in a decade. FACT. It likely isn't more strenuous for him since he has experience there and is just as likely to injure himself running around in the OF, yes. And jumping on my case for just spit-balling an idea THAT I myself CALLED POOR deserves the moron response, yes.

Reciting Saber is an acumen just as posting from 8am to 2am the next day is apparently a way of life.

Learn to the game skippy.

In comment 12300736 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12300730 speedywheels said: Quote: In comment 12300723 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 12300696 Giants2012 said: Quote: Just another demonstration of the LOUD Sabers reciting stats yet not understanding the game at all. I was speaking in regards to Cuddyer specifically who has had a series of leg injuries, ect. You don't need a lot range or speed to play third(the very case your making to move Flores there). I never meant to suggest Cuddyer was our answer to all our prayers at third base moving forward. Merely was saying he could play there in a pinch or in a platoon role possibly if we were hell bent on acquiring another bat in the OF. Again, I said from the beginning it was likely a poor solution. But have fun jumping on my case about something I was fully just throwing out there in the first place. And you also said that playing 3B is just as physically demanding as running around in the OF. Which is a ridiculous statement Did you not read what I just fucking wrote? I just answered that saying I was talking about that in regards to Cuddyer specifically who has had a series of leg injuries, ect.

I read the crap you wrote. Leg injuries are not going to effect someone playing 3B?? All the diving, the running up the line for foul pop ups, running down the line to field bunts, running to cover 3rd on a steal.

Just stop it. Please.

I'd love that. No idea where he plays exactly, but he's a solid veteran who could fill a lot of gaps. Especially with the injury proneness of so much of this roster.

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In comment 12300749 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 12300737 Giants2012 said: Quote: and won't leave yourself so exposed. I mean, coming off "Cuddyer is playing the best defense he's played in a decade" followed by claiming OF isn't more strenuous than 3rd base while calling another poster a moron proves what? You're all over the place . . . again? Cuddyer is playing the best defense he's played in a decade. FACT. It likely isn't more strenuous for him since he has experience there and is just as likely to injure himself running around in the OF, yes. And jumping on my case for just spit-balling an idea THAT I myself CALLED POOR deserves the moron response, yes. Reciting Saber is an acumen just as posting from 8am to 2am the next day is apparently a way of life. Learn to the game skippy.

I will learn to the game skippy. Aye aye captain.

In comment 12300868 Eric on Li said:

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I'd love that. No idea where he plays exactly, but he's a solid veteran who could fill a lot of gaps. Especially with the injury proneness of so much of this roster.

It actually makes a ton of sense. Now I was against it in the off-season and the price tag seamed way too high, but if Wright is going to be out for the foreseeable future, Zobrist would seem to be a nice fit.

for assignment yesterday. It might be worth a look just to have a veteran 3b on the bench until DW returns.

but Brewers sound open to dealing Braun or Gomez. I could see either being a potential fit here, though there's no chance I'd deal Thor or Matz for either one. Braun would have to be a Matt Kemp-esque dump for it to make sense. Gomez would probably require at least 1 blue chip asset, but I'd try to steer that towards a Herrera/Plawecki type. Though, it's understandable they may not do a deal unless Thor/Matz are on the table.
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Thank goodness Maverick didn't sign him.

In comment 12300923 Eric on Li said:

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but Brewers sound open to dealing Braun or Gomez. I could see either being a potential fit here, though there's no chance I'd deal Thor or Matz for either one. Braun would have to be a Matt Kemp-esque dump for it to make sense. Gomez would probably require at least 1 blue chip asset, but I'd try to steer that towards a Herrera/Plawecki type. Though, it's understandable they may not do a deal unless Thor/Matz are on the table. Brewers Could Trade Braun, Gomez, Or Segura For Right Price - ( New Window )

Can't see the Brewers having much interest in Plawecki. Lucroy is a stud and team controlled through 2017. I'd be pretty shocked in fact. I'm not into Segura at all. In fact, I think he sucks.Braun is a stud but I have a very hard time seeing the Mets move into a 25 million dollar platoon in one corner and Braun in the other. Don't see them taking on enough salary to be the "winners" for Braun either.

I don't like Gomez's value as a corner OF.

but dont see the mets pulling it off.

And Gomez is good enough offensively that it doesnt matter to me which OF position he plays. His bat plays anywhere.

love to be proven wrong but I think Plawecki is a tier 2 caliber prospect in terms of trade value. Not saying he doesn't have legit value but for a star I'd be pretty shocked if he's a headliner.

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but dont see the mets pulling it off. And Gomez is good enough offensively that it doesnt matter to me which OF position he plays. His bat plays anywhere.

Gomez is around .800 OPS the last four years. Its an upgrade over what we have, but not the big stick we need.

assets for him like he's a .800+ CFer which is obviously much more valuable than a RF/LF with the same production.

If that is what your saying i guess thats true, but he has finished in the top 10 the last two years amongst OF in OPS and was just outside 30 3 seasons ago. I didnt go back 4 since that season he only played in 97 games. Im not saying id give up the world for him, but considering he is 29 id prolly rather him then Braun who had that whole weird wrist or thumb injury or whatever it was.

with either of them, lol.

with Gomez is TONS of teams will want him as their CF, will "pay" as such and his contract is absolutely awesome for his value.

is owed basically the same money as Jon Niese. That's how ridiculous his contract is. Gomez makes less than Cuddyer and Granderson makes more yearly than Gomez is owed for 1.5 seasons.

I think the only real top tier trade chips they have are Matz/Thor and I think that's what it would take for a Gomez-level player. Would love to be wrong on that but the best they will likely be able to do is a Zobrist level guy. Francesa just threw out Martin Prado as well, that's another reasonably interesting name.