about finding a defensive big, yet leaves out the quotes where Phil constantly mentions finding a player that can get into the lane and break down a defense...
Shit Phil mentioned it again on Twitter the other day mentioning how the Knicks need to find a player qho can break down a defense and get into the lane..
Defense translates to the NBA if nothing else does. And he will be better than Tyson defensively because he can guard literally every position on the floor.
That being said, I would not pick him at 4 and would rather trade down to get him if we really wanted him.
I don't think that would be likely because Sacramento would not pass on him if he feel to them. He fits perfectly with Boogie as he can guard the perimeter and rim protect.
Phil made a comment in the weeks before the lottery Â
that led me to think WCS was high on his radar. Predicted WCS as our pick in the lottery thread. I would hate it, but the Knicks give me nothing but agita.
Defense translates to the NBA if nothing else does. And he will be better than Tyson defensively because he can guard literally every position on the floor.
That being said, I would not pick him at 4 and would rather trade down to get him if we really wanted him.
I don't think that would be likely because Sacramento would not pass on him if he feel to them. He fits perfectly with Boogie as he can guard the perimeter and rim protect.
WCS can not defend guards. He may be able to protect the basket on their drives but players like Westbrook, Curry, Paul, Lebron, Harden would eat him up.
We know for sure his defense will translate to NBA well. Get Monroe at the 4 and that's a good start. The question is how far can you trade down and what do you get for the trade down? What makes it more difficult is I think the Knicks have to draft a player at 4 then hope the team that wants him can draft Caukey stein before someone else picks him.
Let's say the Kings want mudiay and are willing to trade up to get him, what does trading down from 4 to 6 get you? Seems like Orlando would be more interested in Cauley stein then mudiay given that they don't need a pg. they could play willie at the 4. So is Phil going to risk the player that he really wants to pick up a few second rd picks? I don't think so I think this article may be spot on and I think I will be ok with it l, I was never that high on okafor or KAT. What will be interesting is if okafor and willie are both there at 4, what would Phil do.
for sure that his defense will translate to the NBA?
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
Defense translates to the NBA if nothing else does. And he will be better than Tyson defensively because he can guard literally every position on the floor.
That being said, I would not pick him at 4 and would rather trade down to get him if we really wanted him.
I don't think that would be likely because Sacramento would not pass on him if he feel to them. He fits perfectly with Boogie as he can guard the perimeter and rim protect.
WCS can not defend guards. He may be able to protect the basket on their drives but players like Westbrook, Curry, Paul, Lebron, Harden would eat him up.
Watch this video and tell me he cannot defend guards. By that comment I'm assuming you did not watch kentucky much this year. I'm not blaming you for it but one of his unique skills as a 7 foot big is how laterally quick is.
By "guarding every position", I did not literally mean he was going to be put on the best wing player on the opposing team. But in PnR and PnP switches, big men are occasionally put on guards. Terrence Jones and Dwight Howard were frequently switched onto Curry last night. I'm saying that WCS will become one of the few bigs, if not the only one, that won't get eaten alive every time he is switched onto a wing. WCS - ( New Window )
I really like WCS as an NBA prospect. His floor is really high, even Â
for sure that his defense will translate to the NBA?
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
"Cauley-Stein is a player who is both extremely gifted from a measurements standpoint, but also in terms of athleticism ... At the Kentucky Combine he measured 7’.25’’ in shoes, with a 7’2’’ wingspan, and a great 9’2’’ standing reach ... He also is extremely nimble, and an explosive and quick leaper ... Willie also has tremendous defensive abilities, excelling at hedging on pick and rolls, as well as protecting the rim ... He’s seen a dip in shot blocking numbers due to his use as a pick and roll defender, and Karl Anthony Towns being used as the primary paint enforcer, but as a sophomore WCS blocked 2.9 shots per game as Kentucky’s primary rim protector ... His physical tools should allow these elite defensive traits to translate to the NBA level ... Cauley-Stein has the potential to be able to guard NBA wing positions at a high level, at least early in his NBA career ... " WCS Scouting Report - ( New Window )
for sure that his defense will translate to the NBA?
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
When the hell did I say #4? I explicitly said I would NOT take him at #4...
for sure that his defense will translate to the NBA?
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
"Cauley-Stein is a player who is both extremely gifted from a measurements standpoint, but also in terms of athleticism ... At the Kentucky Combine he measured 7’.25’’ in shoes, with a 7’2’’ wingspan, and a great 9’2’’ standing reach ... He also is extremely nimble, and an explosive and quick leaper ... Willie also has tremendous defensive abilities, excelling at hedging on pick and rolls, as well as protecting the rim ... He’s seen a dip in shot blocking numbers due to his use as a pick and roll defender, and Karl Anthony Towns being used as the primary paint enforcer, but as a sophomore WCS blocked 2.9 shots per game as Kentucky’s primary rim protector ... His physical tools should allow these elite defensive traits to translate to the NBA level ... Cauley-Stein has the potential to be able to guard NBA wing positions at a high level, at least early in his NBA career ... " WCS Scouting Report - ( New Window )
I am jsut cautioning you. The college game, IMO, has declined as far as player development therefore the product has suffered.
I am not going to say he is going to be a bad defender, but just because he dominated college basketball (and I watched a lot of basketball) doesnt necessarily mean he will in the NBA. They are different stratospheres as far as skill is concerned.
A lot of sportswriters assume that because Phil made some mistakes... Â
--unlike the zen master he was assumed to be before he seemingly became stupid, ignorant or lazy, he is going to show the press all of his cards so that other teams can predict exactly what he is going to do and adjust accordingly.
Sorry, I don't think he's that stupid, and I doubt very much that he has showed his full hand to anyone, either about the draft or about how he is going to play free agency.
In terms of Mudiay v s Cauley-Stein, of course he knows that most of the rest of the league sees the latter as 6th, 7th or 8th best in this year's draft, and of course he knows that he cannot afford to get less than maximum value this year. If he wants Cauley-Stein that much, which is only the case if this writer's tea leaves properly read what Jackson is thinking, not what he is saying, he will try very hard to trade down to do it. Meanwhile, he will certainly have more interviews and tryouts with Mudiay before writing off the possibility of taking him where most of the world expects him to go.
Aside from the draft, I still think that there is a decent chance that in FA he tries to convince a couple of high-caliber players to take reduced salaries in a one year contract with a player option, in exchange for getting part of the cap increase on a longer contract next year. This could be a win-win-win for any player who really wants to come to NY, and some do. Leaves more cap room to build a higher quality team, protects the player, and allows the player to get an extra year on a contract net year. Has he said so? No. So what?
will be a nice player, but he's a complimentary player. He isn't someone to build your team around like Mudiay or Russell.
^This
He goes to a team like Orlando or Sacramento that has great offensive talent already established and needs a defensive presence.
You could argue we would need that if we got Monroe, and its true we would, but we need a PG more than anything else as there is literally no starting PGs that are going to become free agents in the next two years.
If the guards are taken, and we are forced to choose between Oke and WCS, I wouldn't be mad if we traded down a few picks to get WCS and get something else in return, preferably a PG. That way we sign Monroe and we are solid in the frontcourt.
Over a month ago when Phil made those comments about Â
finding a defensive anchor, my buddy said to me "I really think he's talking about WCS". Since then, my buddy's been following Phil's quotes and continuously says, "I really think he's taking WCS". I just sent this article to him.
When the hell did I say #4? I explicitly said I would NOT take him at #4...
The Knicks would be taking him at #4. I think that is horrible for a role player when you have guys out there that could become legitimate superstars. WCS will never be a superstar.
article. No way we take WCS at 4. If we trade down sure, although i wouldnt be happy unless we got a really good asset.
His D should def translate. as others have said he has a very high floor which is nice, but his ceiling is low so no way would you take him at 4.
And why use guys like Westbrook, curry, harden, etc... as guys that would eat him up. Of course they would, guards cant guard them. When people say he can guard guards they are usually referring to your avg NBA guard, not the best players in the league.
for sure that his defense will translate to the NBA?
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
"Cauley-Stein is a player who is both extremely gifted from a measurements standpoint, but also in terms of athleticism ... At the Kentucky Combine he measured 7’.25’’ in shoes, with a 7’2’’ wingspan, and a great 9’2’’ standing reach ... He also is extremely nimble, and an explosive and quick leaper ... Willie also has tremendous defensive abilities, excelling at hedging on pick and rolls, as well as protecting the rim ... He’s seen a dip in shot blocking numbers due to his use as a pick and roll defender, and Karl Anthony Towns being used as the primary paint enforcer, but as a sophomore WCS blocked 2.9 shots per game as Kentucky’s primary rim protector ... His physical tools should allow these elite defensive traits to translate to the NBA level ... Cauley-Stein has the potential to be able to guard NBA wing positions at a high level, at least early in his NBA career ... " WCS Scouting Report - ( New Window )
I am jsut cautioning you. The college game, IMO, has declined as far as player development therefore the product has suffered.
I am not going to say he is going to be a bad defender, but just because he dominated college basketball (and I watched a lot of basketball) doesnt necessarily mean he will in the NBA. They are different stratospheres as far as skill is concerned.
Not to start a rift or anything but I would argue I watch more college basketball than anyone else I know and more than the average basketball fan. And I HATE kentucky. I go to IU but ended up watching tons of UK games because my roommate is a UK fan (funny how that works).
If you are trashing the college basketball talent pool, then how do you analyze ANYONE in this draft? If WCS sucks on defense, then Russell can't shoot, Okafor can't score, and KAT is a piece of junk that will never amount to anything..
every one of them had WCS going at #6. I understand that #4 is higher than #6 but is it such a big difference that Jax should be perceived as "reaching" so much?
trading Chandler (in part because he lacks the passing, shooting and post skills to do well in the triangle) to get a 22 year old version of Chandler (and one that doesn't rebound at a rate like Chandler).
RE: I just looked at about 8 mock drafts from various sources and Â
every one of them had WCS going at #6. I understand that #4 is higher than #6 but is it such a big difference that Jax should be perceived as "reaching" so much?
Most view this as a 4 player draft so yeah after the top 4 there are about 5 names that could go in the next few slots making this a reach.
WCS, 2 euro's, Winslow are all view as the "next best" guys after the top 4 prospects.
every one of them had WCS going at #6. I understand that #4 is higher than #6 but is it such a big difference that Jax should be perceived as "reaching" so much?
Most view this as a 4 player draft so yeah after the top 4 there are about 5 names that could go in the next few slots making this a reach.
WCS, 2 euro's, Winslow are all view as the "next best" guys after the top 4 prospects.
Right, that is the common view but it's based on the assumption that Mudiay is so much better than those guys - since the other 3 of the "big 4" will be off the table. I guess I don't see why there can't be a different view. No one on this board has seen Mudiay play to any great extent in competition that we can evaluate.
trading Chandler (in part because he lacks the passing, shooting and post skills to do well in the triangle) to get a 22 year old version of Chandler (and one that doesn't rebound at a rate like Chandler).
Well his outright rebounding numbers are poor due to the fact that UK started 3 bigs and 2 guards that were 6'6".
But yes, if Phil really doesn't like Okafor that much, you trade out to get something in return because chances are theres another team that does.
Pretty much every nba site and expert says this is a 4 player draft. Many of which say mudiay can easily be ahead of Russell. So even though i havent seen much of him im assuming that all those "experts" have at least watched some of him. Its not like its split amongst sites and people between WCS and Mudiay, literally everyone has mudiay as part of the top 4.
Mudiay is not a fit for the triangle and not a fit next to Melo really do not understand the triangle...
First off the notion that the PG has to be able to shoot 3's is way overblow...Ron Harper was a 20% shooter from 3...
Secondly in the triangle one of the guards was always able to drive into the paint and break down a defense, it just happened to be their best player, Kobe and MJ...
Mudiay could easily fit that role, obviously he is not going to be MJ or Kobe but that role can be filled by a PG who can get into the lane which Mudiay can...
Galloway would be used as the Guard to spread the floor and shoot the open 3...
Melo will still be used as the main guy, the guy who gets the ball with 5-7 seconds left when the offense bogs down and he can play in the post on the strong side or weak side and play the two man game with Mudiay...
Also when was the last time Melo actually played with a Guard who could break down a defense and find the open man consistently???
Melo is great in pass and shoot situations, with Melo and Galloway the floor would be spread for Mudiay to drive into the paint and break down a defense...
Plus Phil has mentioned numerous times how he wants a player who can break down a defense...
did Stein go up against? Kaminsky dominated him to a 20/11 night.
Frank actually matched up against Towns.
Dekker went up against WCS and put up 16 though.
Oh thats right. I just remember him having problems defensively that game.
Can't find a Dekker full scoring vid vs UK but 3 of his points came against an And-1 vs Booker and he hit a stepback 3 against Towns. So thats 6 of his points that weren't against WCS. Don't know why WCS gets the full blame for all 16 points from a top NBA wing prospect, but it seems like you have a predetermined notion to disregard any of WCS's defensive ability regardless of what is actually true.
I've gotten 8 points so far and if I have time I can go through and see if I can see how he scored the other 8.
Dekker did score on a well-contested floater on full isolation on WCS which I have provided the link for. For now I'll assume you will attribute the rest of the 6 points to the fault of WCS as well if I cannot find it out.
But even so, to funny how all of WCS ability comes down to how he defended an NBA SF prospect to you guys. Especially after he shredded one of the top defensive prospects in Stanley Johnson for 27 points in the previous game to this one.. Dekker floater - ( New Window )
to disregard what he can do. I question how effective he'll be as a complete player and how helpful he'll be in leading to a better team if the Knicks take him at 4. He's not going to be a shutdown defender and he adds virtually nothing from an offensive standpoint. Taking one-dimensional players that high in a draft will kill a team. Just ask the Bobcats/Hornets about Adam Morrison.
I look at WCS as being a far less player than Chandler was, as many others have stated above. That isn't what I'd want to see from a #4 pick.
I see him as very comparable to chandler. He might even be a better one on one defender as chandler isnt that great. Thing is if you take Tyson Chandler at 4 you have done pretty well for yourself.
That said most on here arent saying take him at 4. The argument become more about him as a defender, not whether we should take him at. I actually really like WCS, but would be livid if we took him at 4.
Terrible pick if this is true.
Your better off taking the international guy.
Please God, let this not be true
Shit Phil mentioned it again on Twitter the other day mentioning how the Knicks need to find a player qho can break down a defense and get into the lane..
That being said, I would not pick him at 4 and would rather trade down to get him if we really wanted him.
I don't think that would be likely because Sacramento would not pass on him if he feel to them. He fits perfectly with Boogie as he can guard the perimeter and rim protect.
That being said, I would not pick him at 4 and would rather trade down to get him if we really wanted him.
I don't think that would be likely because Sacramento would not pass on him if he feel to them. He fits perfectly with Boogie as he can guard the perimeter and rim protect.
WCS can not defend guards. He may be able to protect the basket on their drives but players like Westbrook, Curry, Paul, Lebron, Harden would eat him up.
Let's say the Kings want mudiay and are willing to trade up to get him, what does trading down from 4 to 6 get you? Seems like Orlando would be more interested in Cauley stein then mudiay given that they don't need a pg. they could play willie at the 4. So is Phil going to risk the player that he really wants to pick up a few second rd picks? I don't think so I think this article may be spot on and I think I will be ok with it l, I was never that high on okafor or KAT. What will be interesting is if okafor and willie are both there at 4, what would Phil do.
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
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Defense translates to the NBA if nothing else does. And he will be better than Tyson defensively because he can guard literally every position on the floor.
That being said, I would not pick him at 4 and would rather trade down to get him if we really wanted him.
I don't think that would be likely because Sacramento would not pass on him if he feel to them. He fits perfectly with Boogie as he can guard the perimeter and rim protect.
WCS can not defend guards. He may be able to protect the basket on their drives but players like Westbrook, Curry, Paul, Lebron, Harden would eat him up.
Watch this video and tell me he cannot defend guards. By that comment I'm assuming you did not watch kentucky much this year. I'm not blaming you for it but one of his unique skills as a 7 foot big is how laterally quick is.
By "guarding every position", I did not literally mean he was going to be put on the best wing player on the opposing team. But in PnR and PnP switches, big men are occasionally put on guards. Terrence Jones and Dwight Howard were frequently switched onto Curry last night. I'm saying that WCS will become one of the few bigs, if not the only one, that won't get eaten alive every time he is switched onto a wing.
WCS - ( New Window )
That said, I'd hope that they don't pick him at 4. If Phil doesn't like Mudiay/Russell then he should trade down and get other assets to pick Stein.
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
"Cauley-Stein is a player who is both extremely gifted from a measurements standpoint, but also in terms of athleticism ... At the Kentucky Combine he measured 7’.25’’ in shoes, with a 7’2’’ wingspan, and a great 9’2’’ standing reach ... He also is extremely nimble, and an explosive and quick leaper ... Willie also has tremendous defensive abilities, excelling at hedging on pick and rolls, as well as protecting the rim ... He’s seen a dip in shot blocking numbers due to his use as a pick and roll defender, and Karl Anthony Towns being used as the primary paint enforcer, but as a sophomore WCS blocked 2.9 shots per game as Kentucky’s primary rim protector ... His physical tools should allow these elite defensive traits to translate to the NBA level ... Cauley-Stein has the potential to be able to guard NBA wing positions at a high level, at least early in his NBA career ... "
WCS Scouting Report - ( New Window )
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
When the hell did I say #4? I explicitly said I would NOT take him at #4...
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for sure that his defense will translate to the NBA?
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
"Cauley-Stein is a player who is both extremely gifted from a measurements standpoint, but also in terms of athleticism ... At the Kentucky Combine he measured 7’.25’’ in shoes, with a 7’2’’ wingspan, and a great 9’2’’ standing reach ... He also is extremely nimble, and an explosive and quick leaper ... Willie also has tremendous defensive abilities, excelling at hedging on pick and rolls, as well as protecting the rim ... He’s seen a dip in shot blocking numbers due to his use as a pick and roll defender, and Karl Anthony Towns being used as the primary paint enforcer, but as a sophomore WCS blocked 2.9 shots per game as Kentucky’s primary rim protector ... His physical tools should allow these elite defensive traits to translate to the NBA level ... Cauley-Stein has the potential to be able to guard NBA wing positions at a high level, at least early in his NBA career ... " WCS Scouting Report - ( New Window )
I am jsut cautioning you. The college game, IMO, has declined as far as player development therefore the product has suffered.
I am not going to say he is going to be a bad defender, but just because he dominated college basketball (and I watched a lot of basketball) doesnt necessarily mean he will in the NBA. They are different stratospheres as far as skill is concerned.
--he is stupid, ignorant or lazy; and
--unlike the zen master he was assumed to be before he seemingly became stupid, ignorant or lazy, he is going to show the press all of his cards so that other teams can predict exactly what he is going to do and adjust accordingly.
Sorry, I don't think he's that stupid, and I doubt very much that he has showed his full hand to anyone, either about the draft or about how he is going to play free agency.
In terms of Mudiay v s Cauley-Stein, of course he knows that most of the rest of the league sees the latter as 6th, 7th or 8th best in this year's draft, and of course he knows that he cannot afford to get less than maximum value this year. If he wants Cauley-Stein that much, which is only the case if this writer's tea leaves properly read what Jackson is thinking, not what he is saying, he will try very hard to trade down to do it. Meanwhile, he will certainly have more interviews and tryouts with Mudiay before writing off the possibility of taking him where most of the world expects him to go.
Aside from the draft, I still think that there is a decent chance that in FA he tries to convince a couple of high-caliber players to take reduced salaries in a one year contract with a player option, in exchange for getting part of the cap increase on a longer contract next year. This could be a win-win-win for any player who really wants to come to NY, and some do. Leaves more cap room to build a higher quality team, protects the player, and allows the player to get an extra year on a contract net year. Has he said so? No. So what?
^This
He goes to a team like Orlando or Sacramento that has great offensive talent already established and needs a defensive presence.
You could argue we would need that if we got Monroe, and its true we would, but we need a PG more than anything else as there is literally no starting PGs that are going to become free agents in the next two years.
If the guards are taken, and we are forced to choose between Oke and WCS, I wouldn't be mad if we traded down a few picks to get WCS and get something else in return, preferably a PG. That way we sign Monroe and we are solid in the frontcourt.
The Knicks would be taking him at #4. I think that is horrible for a role player when you have guys out there that could become legitimate superstars. WCS will never be a superstar.
His D should def translate. as others have said he has a very high floor which is nice, but his ceiling is low so no way would you take him at 4.
And why use guys like Westbrook, curry, harden, etc... as guys that would eat him up. Of course they would, guards cant guard them. When people say he can guard guards they are usually referring to your avg NBA guard, not the best players in the league.
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for sure that his defense will translate to the NBA?
He struggles against guards who can penetrate and often struggled against powerful big men.
Seems to me that covers a pretty large swath of players he'd encounter in the NBA.
You'd be talking about drafting at #4 a guy who at best will be a solid defender with poor offensive skills and at worst will mediocre to poor in both areas.
At #4?
"Cauley-Stein is a player who is both extremely gifted from a measurements standpoint, but also in terms of athleticism ... At the Kentucky Combine he measured 7’.25’’ in shoes, with a 7’2’’ wingspan, and a great 9’2’’ standing reach ... He also is extremely nimble, and an explosive and quick leaper ... Willie also has tremendous defensive abilities, excelling at hedging on pick and rolls, as well as protecting the rim ... He’s seen a dip in shot blocking numbers due to his use as a pick and roll defender, and Karl Anthony Towns being used as the primary paint enforcer, but as a sophomore WCS blocked 2.9 shots per game as Kentucky’s primary rim protector ... His physical tools should allow these elite defensive traits to translate to the NBA level ... Cauley-Stein has the potential to be able to guard NBA wing positions at a high level, at least early in his NBA career ... " WCS Scouting Report - ( New Window )
I am jsut cautioning you. The college game, IMO, has declined as far as player development therefore the product has suffered.
I am not going to say he is going to be a bad defender, but just because he dominated college basketball (and I watched a lot of basketball) doesnt necessarily mean he will in the NBA. They are different stratospheres as far as skill is concerned.
Not to start a rift or anything but I would argue I watch more college basketball than anyone else I know and more than the average basketball fan. And I HATE kentucky. I go to IU but ended up watching tons of UK games because my roommate is a UK fan (funny how that works).
If you are trashing the college basketball talent pool, then how do you analyze ANYONE in this draft? If WCS sucks on defense, then Russell can't shoot, Okafor can't score, and KAT is a piece of junk that will never amount to anything..
Not to start a rift or anything but I would argue I watch more college basketball than anyone else
lol?
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Not to start a rift or anything but I would argue I watch more college basketball than anyone else
lol?
If I have accomplished nothing else in life, I have sat through my fair share of sloppy NCAA games.
Most view this as a 4 player draft so yeah after the top 4 there are about 5 names that could go in the next few slots making this a reach.
WCS, 2 euro's, Winslow are all view as the "next best" guys after the top 4 prospects.
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every one of them had WCS going at #6. I understand that #4 is higher than #6 but is it such a big difference that Jax should be perceived as "reaching" so much?
Most view this as a 4 player draft so yeah after the top 4 there are about 5 names that could go in the next few slots making this a reach.
WCS, 2 euro's, Winslow are all view as the "next best" guys after the top 4 prospects.
Right, that is the common view but it's based on the assumption that Mudiay is so much better than those guys - since the other 3 of the "big 4" will be off the table. I guess I don't see why there can't be a different view. No one on this board has seen Mudiay play to any great extent in competition that we can evaluate.
Well his outright rebounding numbers are poor due to the fact that UK started 3 bigs and 2 guards that were 6'6".
But yes, if Phil really doesn't like Okafor that much, you trade out to get something in return because chances are theres another team that does.
Pretty much every nba site and expert says this is a 4 player draft. Many of which say mudiay can easily be ahead of Russell. So even though i havent seen much of him im assuming that all those "experts" have at least watched some of him. Its not like its split amongst sites and people between WCS and Mudiay, literally everyone has mudiay as part of the top 4.
Frank actually matched up against Towns.
Dekker went up against WCS and put up 16 though.
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did Stein go up against? Kaminsky dominated him to a 20/11 night.
Frank actually matched up against Towns.
Dekker went up against WCS and put up 16 though.
Oh thats right. I just remember him having problems defensively that game.
First off the notion that the PG has to be able to shoot 3's is way overblow...Ron Harper was a 20% shooter from 3...
Secondly in the triangle one of the guards was always able to drive into the paint and break down a defense, it just happened to be their best player, Kobe and MJ...
Mudiay could easily fit that role, obviously he is not going to be MJ or Kobe but that role can be filled by a PG who can get into the lane which Mudiay can...
Galloway would be used as the Guard to spread the floor and shoot the open 3...
Melo will still be used as the main guy, the guy who gets the ball with 5-7 seconds left when the offense bogs down and he can play in the post on the strong side or weak side and play the two man game with Mudiay...
Also when was the last time Melo actually played with a Guard who could break down a defense and find the open man consistently???
Melo is great in pass and shoot situations, with Melo and Galloway the floor would be spread for Mudiay to drive into the paint and break down a defense...
Plus Phil has mentioned numerous times how he wants a player who can break down a defense...
Kaminsky vs UK Final Four Breakdown:
Kaminsky: 20 points, 6-8 2PT, 1-3 3 PT
Kaminsky vs Towns: 16 points, 7-11 2 PT, 0-0 3 PT
Vs. WCS: 2 points, 1 for 4 2 PT, 0-0 3 PT, blocked twice
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did Stein go up against? Kaminsky dominated him to a 20/11 night.
Frank actually matched up against Towns.
Dekker went up against WCS and put up 16 though.
Oh thats right. I just remember him having problems defensively that game.
Can't find a Dekker full scoring vid vs UK but 3 of his points came against an And-1 vs Booker and he hit a stepback 3 against Towns. So thats 6 of his points that weren't against WCS. Don't know why WCS gets the full blame for all 16 points from a top NBA wing prospect, but it seems like you have a predetermined notion to disregard any of WCS's defensive ability regardless of what is actually true.
I've gotten 8 points so far and if I have time I can go through and see if I can see how he scored the other 8.
Dekker did score on a well-contested floater on full isolation on WCS which I have provided the link for. For now I'll assume you will attribute the rest of the 6 points to the fault of WCS as well if I cannot find it out.
But even so, to funny how all of WCS ability comes down to how he defended an NBA SF prospect to you guys. Especially after he shredded one of the top defensive prospects in Stanley Johnson for 27 points in the previous game to this one..
Dekker floater - ( New Window )
One was not made for Dekker on this, which is why I don't know the specifics.
Kaminsky vs UK - ( New Window )
10 sec. clip for Team Mudiay - ( New Window )
I look at WCS as being a far less player than Chandler was, as many others have stated above. That isn't what I'd want to see from a #4 pick.
I see him as very comparable to chandler. He might even be a better one on one defender as chandler isnt that great. Thing is if you take Tyson Chandler at 4 you have done pretty well for yourself.
That said most on here arent saying take him at 4. The argument become more about him as a defender, not whether we should take him at. I actually really like WCS, but would be livid if we took him at 4.