Was arguing this the other day with a friend of mine.
I say for sure. There aren't any 2 time SB winning coaches not in the hall of fame. Also factor in he took Jax as an expansion team to the AFC Championship.
When you add to that what he accomplished with the Jags it is a slam dunk.
He took a expansion team and built them into a playoff team in year two. Something I don't think any other coach has ever come close to doing. They also made the playoff in four of their first five seasons capping it off in year five with a 14 win divisional title - AFC championship game season.
RE: Even if he had only coached the Giants I would say yes, but then
When you add to that what he accomplished with the Jags it is a slam dunk.
He took a expansion team and built them into a playoff team in year two. Something I don't think any other coach has ever come close to doing. They also made the playoff in four of their first five seasons capping it off in year five with a 14 win divisional title - AFC championship game season.
Dom Capers, who was TC's "counterpart" with the Panthers, brought them to the playoffs in year 2 as well.
When you add to that what he accomplished with the Jags it is a slam dunk.
He took a expansion team and built them into a playoff team in year two. Something I don't think any other coach has ever come close to doing. They also made the playoff in four of their first five seasons capping it off in year five with a 14 win divisional title - AFC championship game season.
Dom Capers, who was TC's "counterpart" with the Panthers, brought them to the playoffs in year 2 as well.
I forgot he got them their as quickly. I guess since they kind of fell back down after that season it was more forgettable than what Coughlin built with the Jags. You are right though I oversold the historical aspect of the two years to make the playoffs.
RE: Parcells' teams were alot more consistent than this era's Giants.
Also won a SB with a back-up QB in the '90 season.
I guess you missed my post..Parcells had his players, core players, for most of, or all of, his entire tenure in the era of non-FA..Of course he and other good to great HCs were going to be more consistent in the main..Save for Belichick and a few others perhaps, FA doesn't allow for long term consistency similar to the luxury of tge '80s..And oh btw, even with all that great talent on D, we still screwed the pooch in '88 and '89..
Should bw in dc come on here fellating Parcells and knocking TC, just know that he's on record after each SB win by TC of saying TC was mediocre to average..:)
he steered the ship that sunk the mighty Patriots - and the only team to do so - in the Super Bowl Twice -- that alone will get him there and that alone is a terrific story - it's totally great history and will read well in the Hall of Fame annals - but Coughlin is so much more than that - what he did in Jacksonville was also awesome -- he gave that brand new franchise instant credibility - and those teams were famous for their lack of quit - he also turned the Giants around from a moribund team that was gasping for breath under Jim Fassel and righted the ship --
Coughlin is a great coach and the Hall Fame would be getting it wrong not to see him in!
Should bw in dc come on here fellating Parcells and knocking TC, just know that he's on record after each SB win by TC of saying TC was mediocre to average..:)
Ok, as you were
Those early years after Dan Synder first bought the Skins he also used to say how Snyder was a good owner and the type we (Giants) needed in order to win when constantly knocking Wellington Mara. Of course he wasn't alone, there were many here that were fans of Snyder's ownership "style" early on.
it has more to do with their legacy to the game and their coaching trees. I'm not about to declare Harbaugh or Tomilson HOF worthy if they both win another super bowl in the next few years either. And both would have TC's criteria.
Should bw in dc come on here fellating Parcells and knocking TC, just know that he's on record after each SB win by TC of saying TC was mediocre to average..:)
Ok, as you were
Those early years after Dan Synder first bought the Skins he also used to say how Snyder was a good owner and the type we (Giants) needed in order to win when constantly knocking Wellington Mara. Of course he wasn't alone, there were many here that were fans of Snyder's ownership "style" early on.
that would be interesting to evaluate is for each HOF coach, which have a legitimate record of revolutionizing the game through some type of innovation?
How would TC stack up there against Landry (flex defense, stats based game, Walsh et al)
RE: Nope. From what I seen HCs that get in the HOF
it has more to do with their legacy to the game and their coaching trees. I'm not about to declare Harbaugh or Tomilson HOF worthy if they both win another super bowl in the next few years either. And both would have TC's criteria.
This will be Coughlin's 20th season as an NFL head coach. Harbaugh and Tomlin will have 8 and 9 respectively after this season.
Coughlin has 164 career wins. Harbaugh and Tomlin have 77 and 82 respectively.
If the Giants go only 8-8 this season Coughlin ties Parcells with 172 wins which places him in the top ten of all time.
Coughlin also has a Super Bowl ring as an assistant NFL coach.
Plus you have to add what he accomplished in Jacksonville as well to his tenure in the league.
Harbaugh and Tomlin have a very long way to go equaling what Coughlin has accomplished even if they were to win a second championship.
RE: RE: Parcells' teams were alot more consistent than this era's Giants.
Also won a SB with a back-up QB in the '90 season.
I guess you missed my post..Parcells had his players, core players, for most of, or all of, his entire tenure in the era of non-FA..Of course he and other good to great HCs were going to be more consistent in the main..Save for Belichick and a few others perhaps, FA doesn't allow for long term consistency similar to the luxury of tge '80s..And oh btw, even with all that great talent on D, we still screwed the pooch in '88 and '89..
I saw it. Doesn't change my opinion, though. Having those players doesn't guarantee anything. Things get even swayed more in the other direction when you navigate through an entire post-season with your back-up QB and a defense that wasn't the same defense as the dominant '86 squad and STILL win the entire thing, though, IMO, of course. ;)
Starting from his playing days at SU. I think he is borderline. As I recall Mara used that term when the season ended. And no way he rates with Parcells. Only Bill's itinerant ways prevented him from winning Super Bowls with the Patriots, Jets & , heaven forbid, Dallas.
The last 3 years have diminished Tom's career no doubt. It has not been his fault. The roster went bad. But he still gets charged with the record. He is greatly respected by those who have been in the league, especially by both Parcells & Belichick. And he remains in the top 5 of current coaches in the polls I have seen. Still, if he loses again this year, he is gone. And if it is his final year coaching, which is not necessarily a given, then I think he won't be voted in.
Also won a SB with a back-up QB in the '90 season.
Parcells' teams were better and more consistent than the Giants of the past three years. However, if you compare the first eight years of both careers with the Giants, the records are much more similar.
-Rough first year (3-12-1 vs. 6-10)
-3 straight playoff appearances, culminating with a Super Bowl win
-A 10-6 season where they missed the playoffs and a 12-4 season where they lost a heartbreaker playoff game at home
-An underdog Super Bowl win in year 8.
Parcells has a slight edge in terms of wins (84 vs. 82, including playoffs), but their records are remarkably similar. One could easily argue that the main difference between Parcells and Coughlin is that Parcells knew when it was time to bail on a team that was getting old while Coughlin stuck around.
Is after leaving the Giants, he took over 3 teams that had been absolute jokes and made them playoff teams. He simply left each too early to see the job through. Buf such is to digress. I remember signing an Orange Pack petition sent to the AD to have Syracuse name him HC after Maloney told everyone he was leaving to be the ticket manager of the Cubs. Hurley, Art Monk, Joe Morris 1979. There is no bigger Coughlin fan in the world than me. I hope he gets in regardless. But I think he is borderline.
because he hasnt been consistent enough as a coach for the Giants. His teams have been up and down.. If he wins another SB then yes..
Oh so three super bowl wins is enough for you?? Oh really? How nice.
Not consistent enough? 2 fucking Super Bowls, 3 division titles and 5 playoff appearances over a ten year period is the very embodiment of consistent. They've had a rough 2 years running -- it happens to the best of em but coughlin isn't the reason why they have lost and everyone knows that.
Good points but where have you guys been on Giants' boards the last couple of seasons when Coughlin has been getting lit up?
Gets lonely defending Coach. Know what I mean?
probably the biggest fluke team in NFL history....
Fluke? I assume you mean XLII but the Giants beat the Pats fair and square. Don't believe me, fine, but Rodney Harrison said as much in that Spike Lee movie about The Catch. That Super Bowl run was a terrific example of why TC is a great coach.
TC is definitely a HOF HC. He's a two time HC Super Bowl Champion, and a winner at multiple levels with multiple teams across a long period of time. The man has character and integrity second to no one.
Just called to congratulate you and your team for a great effort last night. Not good, but great. I think it's one of the best things to happen in the NFL in the last ten years, and I don't know if they all know it, but they should be very grateful to you and your team for what you did. I believe so firmly in this: that there is only one way to play the game, and it is a regular season game and you go out and win the darn game. I was just so proud being a part of the NFL and of what your guys did and the way you did it. You proved that it's a game and there's only one way to play the game and you did it. The NFL needed it. We've gotten too much of, "Well, they're going to rest their players and don't need to win, therefore they won't win." Well, that's not sports and that's not competition. I'm a little emotional about it. I'm just so proud. It's something we all need to thank you for, and I believe the NFL needed that.
-John Madden
That's the day after the Giants loss the "meaningless" week 17 game against the Pats, who moved to 16-0 at the time.
Things that exceed records. TC has been the face of the Giants in a way that's not limited to his record. I think that matters.
I am some sixty years a fan, and when TC goes a big part of Giant lore goes, and frankly I think my rooting interst will take a hit.
Stuff like that matters, 'cause I know I'm not the only one. Character counts and if Bill Clinton was coaching I'd say "NO" on my ballot.
I agree Grizz. It's going to be tough to see Tom retire. I think he makes the hall of fame just because how hard he works. All the stats, wins, and Championships are just extras.
Things that exceed records. TC has been the face of the Giants in a way that's not limited to his record. I think that matters.
I am some sixty years a fan, and when TC goes a big part of Giant lore goes, and frankly I think my rooting interst will take a hit.
Stuff like that matters, 'cause I know I'm not the only one. Character counts and if Bill Clinton was coaching I'd say "NO" on my ballot.
I agree Grizz. It's going to be tough to see Tom retire. I think he makes the hall of fame just because how hard he works. All the stats, wins, and Championships are just extras.
I agree with this, and I bet he's held in much, MUCH higher regard among his peers and the voters than he is by most fans.
Things that exceed records. TC has been the face of the Giants in a way that's not limited to his record. I think that matters.
I am some sixty years a fan, and when TC goes a big part of Giant lore goes, and frankly I think my rooting interst will take a hit.
Stuff like that matters, 'cause I know I'm not the only one. Character counts and if Bill Clinton was coaching I'd say "NO" on my ballot.
I agree Grizz. It's going to be tough to see Tom retire. I think he makes the hall of fame just because how hard he works. All the stats, wins, and Championships are just extras.
I agree with this, and I bet he's held in much, MUCH higher regard among his peers and the voters than he is by most fans.
Yes, I've been surprised as to how revered/respected he is around the league amongst his peers and execs..The Jax's first owner, Weaver, has been quoted as saying that letting TC go was his biggest mistake
have lacked consistency, sure they won some big games but throughout Coughlin's tenure here we fans never knew what team would show up on sunday and thats what will keep him out of the HOF...
Actually, Tom Coughlin's teams have been pretty consistent...
What did he make the playoffs, 5 years in a row from 2005-2010, and then again in 2011? So 6 out of 7 years? Since then, they've "consistently" been out of the playoffs, three years in a row.
They are also prone to being streaky in season, regularly winning 4-6 games in a row, and then conversely losing 4 in a row in season.
Additionally, didn't we start 6-2 pretty much every single season he was here, from 2004 until 2012?
don't know consistency vs. the compilation of stats. There are a lot of players in the HOF who had mediocre or down years, but their overall body of work was impressive.
George Allen is in the HOF without a single SB win. But he was known for taking teams who were bad and turning them around. He also had years where his teams were mediocre.
Bud Grant never won a SB and some people think he underachieved with teams. But he's in the HOF.
Most coaches in there accumulated wins and/or Championships. That's exactly what TC has done, too.
Voters might look at tangible stats like the number of .500 and above years, the number of playoff years and the number of SB wins/losses, but consistency? Probably not even part of the conversation. Mainly because a lot of the hall voters don't follow the game as closely as fans of individual teams.
that inconsistency isn't really a TC trademark when you look at his record, both overall and individual seasons. If anything, the guy is darn consistent in producing teams winning at .500 or greater.
have lacked consistency, sure they won some big games but throughout Coughlin's tenure here we fans never knew what team would show up on sunday and thats what will keep him out of the HOF...
I guess you could classify "big games" as Superbowls, but sells it a little short.
Why are so many making Parcells record some sort of benchmark
You can be consistently mediocre. But that isn't a goal. Consistently top-notch? Good luck with that but let me remind you that there are teams that have never won a Championship. Never. You get 2 under one coach and that isn't a coincidence--especially under a team built under that coach--not handed a team ala Switzer.
I think he is another coach whose SB record is viewed as one of a coach that inherited a really good team for those SB's. In comparison TC took a team and built it.
RE: Actually, Tom Coughlin's teams have been pretty consistent...
What did he make the playoffs, 5 years in a row from 2005-2010, and then again in 2011? So 6 out of 7 years? Since then, they've "consistently" been out of the playoffs, three years in a row.
They are also prone to being streaky in season, regularly winning 4-6 games in a row, and then conversely losing 4 in a row in season.
Additionally, didn't we start 6-2 pretty much every single season he was here, from 2004 until 2012?
What's your definition of consistency?
What is almost always conveniently glossed over was our 10-6 record in 2010 which wasn't good enough to make playoffs..It EASILY could have been(should have been) 11-5..So yes, we didn't make the playoffs and that is "counted" as a missed year by many here
We make it one year at 9-7 and don't at 10-6 go figure
have lacked consistency, sure they won some big games but throughout Coughlin's tenure here we fans never knew what team would show up on sunday and thats what will keep him out of the HOF...
If the Giants were any better they'd be by far the 2nd best team in the NFL over the last 10 years. As is they are the 3rd best next to Pitt and the Pats. IF you're gonna put some other team ahead of NYG over the last 10 it's not gonna be based on super wins or appearances. How can we put any team not named Pitt or NE over NYG? WHo is that team? Ravens? Only one title. Niners? No titles. Colts? One title. Saints...ditto. Packers come close...but just one.
So you're saying the Giants haven't been consistent enough. They are already the 3rd most successful franchise since 05! Even with the last 2 years of shit...they are still 3rd when you add up the regular season and postseason wins.
Compare the Giants to every other NFL team not named Pitt or the Pats. Then talk to me about consistency.
have lacked consistency, sure they won some big games but throughout Coughlin's tenure here we fans never knew what team would show up on sunday and thats what will keep him out of the HOF...
If the Giants were any better they'd be by far the 2nd best team in the NFL over the last 10 years. As is they are the 3rd best next to Pitt and the Pats. IF you're gonna put some other team ahead of NYG over the last 10 it's not gonna be based on super wins or appearances. How can we put any team not named Pitt or NE over NYG? WHo is that team? Ravens? Only one title. Niners? No titles. Colts? One title. Saints...ditto. Packers come close...but just one.
So you're saying the Giants haven't been consistent enough. They are already the 3rd most successful franchise since 05! Even with the last 2 years of shit...they are still 3rd when you add up the regular season and postseason wins.
Compare the Giants to every other NFL team not named Pitt or the Pats. Then talk to me about consistency.
Sometimes people make it seem as though they'd prefer to have the 'consistency' of the packers/saints/colts/etc... over the 'inconsistency' of TC teams despite us having more titles during that time.
Don't know finishing out with losing records and missing playoffs would put a little damper on it. Also, consistency taken into account, which he hasn't been so.
TC's career as Giants head coach seem to be in the eyes of the beholder
and Giant fans either love him or not so much, I think he's a good coach but not more than that as for those SB wins, we were damned lucky in both of them
He took a expansion team and built them into a playoff team in year two. Something I don't think any other coach has ever come close to doing. They also made the playoff in four of their first five seasons capping it off in year five with a 14 win divisional title - AFC championship game season.
He took a expansion team and built them into a playoff team in year two. Something I don't think any other coach has ever come close to doing. They also made the playoff in four of their first five seasons capping it off in year five with a 14 win divisional title - AFC championship game season.
Dom Capers, who was TC's "counterpart" with the Panthers, brought them to the playoffs in year 2 as well.
That's OK though, it's just about that time for us to put it all together again.
And at least to Greg's credit, despite his being a pain in the ass on this subject, he's proven he will eat his crow happily when it happens.
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When you add to that what he accomplished with the Jags it is a slam dunk.
He took a expansion team and built them into a playoff team in year two. Something I don't think any other coach has ever come close to doing. They also made the playoff in four of their first five seasons capping it off in year five with a 14 win divisional title - AFC championship game season.
Dom Capers, who was TC's "counterpart" with the Panthers, brought them to the playoffs in year 2 as well.
I forgot he got them their as quickly. I guess since they kind of fell back down after that season it was more forgettable than what Coughlin built with the Jags. You are right though I oversold the historical aspect of the two years to make the playoffs.
I guess you missed my post..Parcells had his players, core players, for most of, or all of, his entire tenure in the era of non-FA..Of course he and other good to great HCs were going to be more consistent in the main..Save for Belichick and a few others perhaps, FA doesn't allow for long term consistency similar to the luxury of tge '80s..And oh btw, even with all that great talent on D, we still screwed the pooch in '88 and '89..
Ok, as you were
Coughlin is a great coach and the Hall Fame would be getting it wrong not to see him in!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it
Ok, as you were
Those early years after Dan Synder first bought the Skins he also used to say how Snyder was a good owner and the type we (Giants) needed in order to win when constantly knocking Wellington Mara. Of course he wasn't alone, there were many here that were fans of Snyder's ownership "style" early on.
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Should bw in dc come on here fellating Parcells and knocking TC, just know that he's on record after each SB win by TC of saying TC was mediocre to average..:)
Ok, as you were
Those early years after Dan Synder first bought the Skins he also used to say how Snyder was a good owner and the type we (Giants) needed in order to win when constantly knocking Wellington Mara. Of course he wasn't alone, there were many here that were fans of Snyder's ownership "style" early on.
:)
How would TC stack up there against Landry (flex defense, stats based game, Walsh et al)
This will be Coughlin's 20th season as an NFL head coach. Harbaugh and Tomlin will have 8 and 9 respectively after this season.
Coughlin has 164 career wins. Harbaugh and Tomlin have 77 and 82 respectively.
If the Giants go only 8-8 this season Coughlin ties Parcells with 172 wins which places him in the top ten of all time.
Coughlin also has a Super Bowl ring as an assistant NFL coach.
Plus you have to add what he accomplished in Jacksonville as well to his tenure in the league.
Harbaugh and Tomlin have a very long way to go equaling what Coughlin has accomplished even if they were to win a second championship.
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Also won a SB with a back-up QB in the '90 season.
I guess you missed my post..Parcells had his players, core players, for most of, or all of, his entire tenure in the era of non-FA..Of course he and other good to great HCs were going to be more consistent in the main..Save for Belichick and a few others perhaps, FA doesn't allow for long term consistency similar to the luxury of tge '80s..And oh btw, even with all that great talent on D, we still screwed the pooch in '88 and '89..
I saw it. Doesn't change my opinion, though. Having those players doesn't guarantee anything. Things get even swayed more in the other direction when you navigate through an entire post-season with your back-up QB and a defense that wasn't the same defense as the dominant '86 squad and STILL win the entire thing, though, IMO, of course. ;)
We got to watch it happen. They both deserve to be in the HOF.
One being in has nothing to do with whether the other one should be in.
The last 3 years have diminished Tom's career no doubt. It has not been his fault. The roster went bad. But he still gets charged with the record. He is greatly respected by those who have been in the league, especially by both Parcells & Belichick. And he remains in the top 5 of current coaches in the polls I have seen. Still, if he loses again this year, he is gone. And if it is his final year coaching, which is not necessarily a given, then I think he won't be voted in.
Parcells' teams were better and more consistent than the Giants of the past three years. However, if you compare the first eight years of both careers with the Giants, the records are much more similar.
-Rough first year (3-12-1 vs. 6-10)
-3 straight playoff appearances, culminating with a Super Bowl win
-A 10-6 season where they missed the playoffs and a 12-4 season where they lost a heartbreaker playoff game at home
-An underdog Super Bowl win in year 8.
Parcells has a slight edge in terms of wins (84 vs. 82, including playoffs), but their records are remarkably similar. One could easily argue that the main difference between Parcells and Coughlin is that Parcells knew when it was time to bail on a team that was getting old while Coughlin stuck around.
Oh so three super bowl wins is enough for you?? Oh really? How nice.
Not consistent enough? 2 fucking Super Bowls, 3 division titles and 5 playoff appearances over a ten year period is the very embodiment of consistent. They've had a rough 2 years running -- it happens to the best of em but coughlin isn't the reason why they have lost and everyone knows that.
Gets lonely defending Coach. Know what I mean?
I've been defending coughlin since before 07.
Fluke? I assume you mean XLII but the Giants beat the Pats fair and square. Don't believe me, fine, but Rodney Harrison said as much in that Spike Lee movie about The Catch. That Super Bowl run was a terrific example of why TC is a great coach.
TC is definitely a HOF HC. He's a two time HC Super Bowl Champion, and a winner at multiple levels with multiple teams across a long period of time. The man has character and integrity second to no one.
-John Madden
That's the day after the Giants loss the "meaningless" week 17 game against the Pats, who moved to 16-0 at the time.
Same as a certain QB.
I am some sixty years a fan, and when TC goes a big part of Giant lore goes, and frankly I think my rooting interst will take a hit.
Stuff like that matters, 'cause I know I'm not the only one. Character counts and if Bill Clinton was coaching I'd say "NO" on my ballot.
I agree Grizz. It's going to be tough to see Tom retire. I think he makes the hall of fame just because how hard he works. All the stats, wins, and Championships are just extras.
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Things that exceed records. TC has been the face of the Giants in a way that's not limited to his record. I think that matters.
I am some sixty years a fan, and when TC goes a big part of Giant lore goes, and frankly I think my rooting interst will take a hit.
Stuff like that matters, 'cause I know I'm not the only one. Character counts and if Bill Clinton was coaching I'd say "NO" on my ballot.
I agree Grizz. It's going to be tough to see Tom retire. I think he makes the hall of fame just because how hard he works. All the stats, wins, and Championships are just extras.
I agree with this, and I bet he's held in much, MUCH higher regard among his peers and the voters than he is by most fans.
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Things that exceed records. TC has been the face of the Giants in a way that's not limited to his record. I think that matters.
I am some sixty years a fan, and when TC goes a big part of Giant lore goes, and frankly I think my rooting interst will take a hit.
Stuff like that matters, 'cause I know I'm not the only one. Character counts and if Bill Clinton was coaching I'd say "NO" on my ballot.
I agree Grizz. It's going to be tough to see Tom retire. I think he makes the hall of fame just because how hard he works. All the stats, wins, and Championships are just extras.
I agree with this, and I bet he's held in much, MUCH higher regard among his peers and the voters than he is by most fans.
Yes, I've been surprised as to how revered/respected he is around the league amongst his peers and execs..The Jax's first owner, Weaver, has been quoted as saying that letting TC go was his biggest mistake
What did he make the playoffs, 5 years in a row from 2005-2010, and then again in 2011? So 6 out of 7 years? Since then, they've "consistently" been out of the playoffs, three years in a row.
They are also prone to being streaky in season, regularly winning 4-6 games in a row, and then conversely losing 4 in a row in season.
Additionally, didn't we start 6-2 pretty much every single season he was here, from 2004 until 2012?
What's your definition of consistency?
George Allen is in the HOF without a single SB win. But he was known for taking teams who were bad and turning them around. He also had years where his teams were mediocre.
Bud Grant never won a SB and some people think he underachieved with teams. But he's in the HOF.
Most coaches in there accumulated wins and/or Championships. That's exactly what TC has done, too.
Voters might look at tangible stats like the number of .500 and above years, the number of playoff years and the number of SB wins/losses, but consistency? Probably not even part of the conversation. Mainly because a lot of the hall voters don't follow the game as closely as fans of individual teams.
I guess you could classify "big games" as Superbowls, but sells it a little short.
You can be consistently mediocre. But that isn't a goal. Consistently top-notch? Good luck with that but let me remind you that there are teams that have never won a Championship. Never. You get 2 under one coach and that isn't a coincidence--especially under a team built under that coach--not handed a team ala Switzer.
I think he is another coach whose SB record is viewed as one of a coach that inherited a really good team for those SB's. In comparison TC took a team and built it.
What did he make the playoffs, 5 years in a row from 2005-2010, and then again in 2011? So 6 out of 7 years? Since then, they've "consistently" been out of the playoffs, three years in a row.
They are also prone to being streaky in season, regularly winning 4-6 games in a row, and then conversely losing 4 in a row in season.
Additionally, didn't we start 6-2 pretty much every single season he was here, from 2004 until 2012?
What's your definition of consistency?
What is almost always conveniently glossed over was our 10-6 record in 2010 which wasn't good enough to make playoffs..It EASILY could have been(should have been) 11-5..So yes, we didn't make the playoffs and that is "counted" as a missed year by many here
Just the facts, and quite frankly, the facts by themselves support the Hall of Fame.
If the Giants were any better they'd be by far the 2nd best team in the NFL over the last 10 years. As is they are the 3rd best next to Pitt and the Pats. IF you're gonna put some other team ahead of NYG over the last 10 it's not gonna be based on super wins or appearances. How can we put any team not named Pitt or NE over NYG? WHo is that team? Ravens? Only one title. Niners? No titles. Colts? One title. Saints...ditto. Packers come close...but just one.
So you're saying the Giants haven't been consistent enough. They are already the 3rd most successful franchise since 05! Even with the last 2 years of shit...they are still 3rd when you add up the regular season and postseason wins.
Compare the Giants to every other NFL team not named Pitt or the Pats. Then talk to me about consistency.
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have lacked consistency, sure they won some big games but throughout Coughlin's tenure here we fans never knew what team would show up on sunday and thats what will keep him out of the HOF...
If the Giants were any better they'd be by far the 2nd best team in the NFL over the last 10 years. As is they are the 3rd best next to Pitt and the Pats. IF you're gonna put some other team ahead of NYG over the last 10 it's not gonna be based on super wins or appearances. How can we put any team not named Pitt or NE over NYG? WHo is that team? Ravens? Only one title. Niners? No titles. Colts? One title. Saints...ditto. Packers come close...but just one.
So you're saying the Giants haven't been consistent enough. They are already the 3rd most successful franchise since 05! Even with the last 2 years of shit...they are still 3rd when you add up the regular season and postseason wins.
Compare the Giants to every other NFL team not named Pitt or the Pats. Then talk to me about consistency.
Sometimes people make it seem as though they'd prefer to have the 'consistency' of the packers/saints/colts/etc... over the 'inconsistency' of TC teams despite us having more titles during that time.