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Predict the 1st team OL at OTA tomorrow!

George from PA : 5/26/2015 10:09 pm
My guess:

Flowers at RT, Schwartz at RG, Richburg at C, Jerry at LG and Pugh at LT.
George  
Rjanyg : 5/26/2015 10:23 pm : link
Yours is probably right but I am gonna guess just to be different.
Left to right: Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, Newhouse

Crazy but interesting.
This will be it..  
CMicks3110 : 5/26/2015 10:45 pm : link
LT-Newhouse, LG-Jerry C-Richburg RG-Schwartz RT-Pugh
cmick  
George from PA : 5/26/2015 11:09 pm : link
Your logic makes a ton of sense.....starting with the most experience, which was the question.

..which let Flowers earn it

tomorrow  
Dankbeerman : 5/26/2015 11:09 pm : link
Newhouse Schwartz richburg jerry Pugh from left to right.

1st string OL  
Blueblooded808 : 5/26/2015 11:27 pm : link
LT-Erek Flowers LG-Brandon Moseley C-Weston Richburg RG-Geoff Schwartz RT-Justin Pugh .I hope Bamiro develops and takes over LG but I doubt it so I put Moseley instead of Jerry.
Not a fan of GEOFF at all,  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/27/2015 12:19 am : link
but I really hope he can actually stay healthy this year. Giants are sadly going to very much need him to stay on the field this season.
when you look at those lists  
grizz299 : 5/27/2015 5:50 am : link
It becomes apparent how important Newhouse is. If he's just competent everything fits. Then I remember the Brown pickup at about the same time last year.

The guy was so bad he was cut mid-season.

So I swing back and wonder if you can build a line dependent on a man who The Bengals and Packers both cut.

Pugh (LT), Jerry, Weston, Schwartz, Flowers

You can't put a guy with technique problems at OLT. Smith from Dallas didn't start there, most of the tackles over the last few don't start, they learn their techniques year one.
But I think the lose of Beatty has been underrated, the impact is huge, it's probably the most critical position and all the arguments are buloney, he was a capable player, his loss weakens several positions and now another loss (say to Schwartz) could impact a potentially great season.
Flowers-Schwartz-Richburg-Jerry-Pugh  
est1986 : 5/27/2015 6:02 am : link
Pugh's first snap is at RT because they have said he is the starting right tackle. Richburg at Center. I believe Schwartz and Jerry are our Guards until Beatty returns or until/if we bring someone better in. 9th overall, the belief is there that he can he be a Left Tackle, it's learning time not game day, Flowers will get thrown in at Left Tackle, same position he was at during Rookie minicamp, it will be comfortable for him to stay where he has been most of his career and it makes sense for our team since left tackle has become a glaring need for at least 8 games.
Newhouse/Schwartz/RIchburg/Jerry/Pugh  
Ryan : 5/27/2015 7:26 am : link
Flowers runs with 2nd team until he settles in and as little disruption to last year's line up as possible until they gain some confidence in the right direction to at the T positions.
Exact opposite of one above  
Eli Wilson : 5/27/2015 7:31 am : link
Pugh-Jerry-Richburg-Schwartz-Newhouse
something like this  
mavric : 5/27/2015 7:59 am : link
(LT) Pugh - Newhouse - Richburg - Schwartz - Flowers (RT)

Need good feet on the left side to protect Eli's blind side and need bulldozing power on the right side.
Starting OL at OTA's...  
dguy901 : 5/27/2015 8:11 am : link
Pugh-Herman-Richburg-Moseley-Flowers. IMHO.
RE: Starting OL at OTA's...  
dguy901 : 5/27/2015 8:12 am : link
In comment 12301966 dguy901 said:
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Pugh-Herman-Richburg-Moseley-Flowers. IMHO.
meant Scwartz, not Moseley at ROG.
This is very sad.  
nicky43 : 5/27/2015 8:19 am : link
Looking at all those combinations I don't see a single one that is impressive. They all include a few weak links. You can't have any weak links in the oline. So I'll have to hope that the there is at least one starter who is not yet on the team.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2015 8:26 am : link
Newhouse - Parker - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh.
Parker?  
Klaatu : 5/27/2015 8:28 am : link
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Newhouse played LT for the Packers  
TMS : 5/27/2015 8:33 am : link
so McAdoo is familiar with him i assume. So he might get a shot at that spot if he has developed. Interesting situation and could be a godsend for us if it worked out.
Klaatu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2015 8:37 am : link
I meant Schwartz
RE: Klaatu  
nicky43 : 5/27/2015 8:41 am : link
In comment 12301995 Eric from BBI said:
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I meant Schwartz


That's the second time you said Parker for Schwartz. I'm wondering what it is that these two may have in common that your subconscious is aware of. :)
I'll be surprised if they don't have Pugh at LT  
BillT : 5/27/2015 8:45 am : link
You would think they'd want to get that spot established.

Pugh, Jerry, Richburg, Schwartz and Flowers.
don't assume Schwartz is moving to RG  
giants#1 : 5/27/2015 8:48 am : link
especially since Jerry is likely the other OG. I don't think Jerry has ever played LG and I'd bet Schwartz stays at LG unless Jerry gets beat out.
RE: don't assume Schwartz is moving to RG  
BillT : 5/27/2015 8:51 am : link
In comment 12302004 giants#1 said:
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especially since Jerry is likely the other OG. I don't think Jerry has ever played LG and I'd bet Schwartz stays at LG unless Jerry gets beat out.
. Good thought. I think this is probably right.
The first key to the 2015 season  
JonC : 5/27/2015 9:01 am : link
Hopefully, the coaches don't get too stubborn.

What we'll probably see (and pray it doesn't remain for long) :

Newhouse-Schwartz-Richburg-Jerry-Pugh

Perhaps the best lineup possible, in terms of talent :

Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-Newhouse
my guess  
cjd2404 : 5/27/2015 9:03 am : link
Flowers - Schwartz - Richburg - Jones - Pugh

My as well try out Oh Canada...Lots of options better than the oft cut Newhouse and what should be career backup Jerry
JonC  
BillT : 5/27/2015 9:04 am : link
I don't see how Newhouse, who's been benched and released, is a better player all of a sudden than Jerry who has 48 straight starts. Not that Herry has been some all pro but what's Newhouse been.
Jerry!  
BillT : 5/27/2015 9:05 am : link
.
BillT  
JonC : 5/27/2015 9:08 am : link
We'll find out, but the plan has been to kick Pugh inside. If they prefer to stick with that, then limiting the number of moves means Newhouse gets a crack.
Newhouse was the LT on a 15-1 football team once  
JonC : 5/27/2015 9:10 am : link
Coaches tend to give such a player a long look.
I honestly have no idea what to expect.  
Matt M. : 5/27/2015 9:12 am : link
Newhouse could be at either OT, as could Pugh or Flowers. Pugh could also be at LG. Schwartz could be at either OG, as could Jerry. I will say this, I hope Jerry is NOT in the "starting" 5 for OTAs. They should be presenting as the starters who they expect to start, as of right now. Flowers was drafted to start from day 1 and should be handled that way. That doesn't mean he couldn't lose the job. But, right out of the gate, their expected starting unit should be together at their expected positions. Of course a FA signing and/or quality of play between now and September could change things.
hmm  
SirYesSir : 5/27/2015 9:16 am : link
LT Pugh - LG Mosely - C Richburg - RG Schwartz - RT Flowers
Jon C  
Matt M. : 5/27/2015 9:19 am : link
I agree. I am hoping they don't have to tweak too much from their plans to overcome this injury. That means one of a few things:

1) If they truly want Pugh at LG, then they put him at LG
2) IF they want Flowers at LT, he be placed at LT
3) If they want Flowers at RT, he be placed at RT
4) If they want Schwartz at RG, then he start at RG
5) All of this may mean they have a lot riding in Newhouse being able to play at a decent level at either OT position.
Matt  
JonC : 5/27/2015 9:27 am : link
Yup, and if the players' performances live up to billing, then it's possible Beatty doesn't get back into the lineup.

Now, that's probably optimal thinking but we know the coaches tend to not move OL around later unless injuries force their hand. We shall see.

RE: Newhouse was the LT on a 15-1 football team once  
Klaatu : 5/27/2015 9:29 am : link
In comment 12302038 JonC said:
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Coaches tend to give such a player a long look.


That was five years ago, with a QB who was much more athletic and elusive than Eli is now. What has Newhouse done since except lose his job in Green Bay and wash out in Cincinnati?
Newhouse is a real wild card  
Matt M. : 5/27/2015 9:40 am : link
If he can play at a decent level, he really helps in terms of options. Ideally, he can fill in at LT, which leaves the rest of their plans in tact. It could boil down to who they feel is less likely to suck, Newhouse at either OT or Jerry at either OG. they should have talent at the other OL positions, so either of these guys, if thrust into a starting role, simply needs to be decent. They aren't likely to get excellent play out of either. But, if the rest of the OL plays up to talent, they could still have a much improved OL.

Personally, I'm hoping for Newhouse because Jerry was really bad last year.
RE: Matt  
Matt M. : 5/27/2015 9:42 am : link
In comment 12302061 JonC said:
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Yup, and if the players' performances live up to billing, then it's possible Beatty doesn't get back into the lineup.

Now, that's probably optimal thinking but we know the coaches tend to not move OL around later unless injuries force their hand. We shall see.

I think OL is one position that a player should not simply return to his starting job when returning from injury. It should really depend on how the fill-in and the OL as a whole are playing. This is, more than any other position, a unit of 5 players. They need to have chemistry and be on the same page. If they have accomplished that, the running game is thriving, and Eli isn't getting sacked, then Beatty should not be guaranteed anything when he returns.
The whole Pugh to LG  
BillT : 5/27/2015 9:42 am : link
Was about having three players who were (potential) starting tackles and which players to move because of that and Newhouse wasn't part of that discussion. They no longer have three players who are starting tackles. They have Pugh and a (hopefully very good) rookie.
Bill  
JonC : 5/27/2015 9:59 am : link
That may ultimately be proven to be the case, but right now I wouldn't be shocked if the coaches don't entirely agree with your stance.
I think it ends up  
nygiants16 : 5/27/2015 10:02 am : link
Newhouse-Schwartz-Richburg-Pugh-Flowers

Experience at LT, Pugh goes inside and Flowers starts at RT....

Next year Flowers makes the move to LT...
Pray for cohesion, that's the vital element  
JonC : 5/27/2015 10:08 am : link
regardless of who's in the lineup.

I trust Pugh is up to the task if they install him at a tackle spot, but I think BBI overrates him a bit at tackle.
RE: Pray for cohesion, that's the vital element  
SirYesSir : 5/27/2015 10:24 am : link
In comment 12302128 JonC said:
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regardless of who's in the lineup.

I trust Pugh is up to the task if they install him at a tackle spot, but I think BBI overrates him a bit at tackle.


If you think we're over rating Pugh as a tackle, I bring to your attention the number of people on this thread that list Newhouse as our starting LT. Dear God that is wishful and delusional thinking.
This  
OC2.0 : 5/27/2015 10:26 am : link
Pugh-Jerry-Richburg-Schwartz-Flowers.

Call me crazy, but imo you don't draft a guy @ 9 & not plug him in somewhere.

As for Pugh; he played LT in school @ a high level so he should at least hold his own.
People on this board deluded themselves about Charles Brown too.  
Devon : 5/27/2015 10:27 am : link
Mostly the same story -- starting experience on another team, etc.

It's no surprise some are trying to talk themselves into Newhouse not being trash.
Noted and agreed  
JonC : 5/27/2015 10:29 am : link
and ultimately he might not even earn the RT gig. But, fans need to realize playing LT in the NFL isn't the same as at Syracuse a few years in the past. No sure thing either way, whereas Newhouse has played tackle in the NFL.

Also note that Newhouse and Jerry both have demonstrated a similar type of enigmatic existence on gamedays. I'm willing to wager on Pugh-LG and Newhouse-RT over Jerry at OG in camp, at least.


Any line combination  
Doomster : 5/27/2015 10:32 am : link
that doesn't include Flowers is insane.....we have to sink or swim with this guy.....

Fact is, we were going to have different starters at 4 of the positions in this OL with Beatty....now we may have 5....

It's impossible to have any kind of cohesion with a unit like this....what you see in OTA's, may be vastly different by the opening bell, which means this line will constantly be changing up to this point.....it will have an effect on the offense in critical parts of the game....

How quickly this line comes together, determines how far this team goes.....can it keep Eli safe? Can it block in short yardage situations? Can it control the LOS or will it be controlled?

If this line does not come together quickly, the season will be over before the bye.....we are not replacing one OLman....we are replacing the whole line, because just about everyone will be playing a new position, and has to work with a different guy, to the right and left of them, from last year....and what are the odds, one of them goes down...there are no backups that can replace them without an appreciable drop off....

It wasn't going to be easy even with a healthy Beatty.....but his loss complicates things....

So once again, we have to hope a patchwork OL comes together, and stays healthy for a whole season......we have a defense that will be playing a new scheme, and it will take awhile for them to play together and not mistakes.....

So should anyone be surprised if this team is once again eliminated before the bye? No, we play 4 division games and 2 tough road games in that span....

Everything, and I mean everything will have to break right for the Giants, to still be in this before the bye.....Jennings has to stay healthy.....Williams and Donnell have to take that next step....can Cruz come back? Will Vereen be the missing element this offense needs? Can Beason stay on the field? Can Spags get more out of his players than Fewell? Both lines will be works in progress....how fast they come together, determines the fate of this team....

Even if this team does not make the playoffs again, if it continues to progress to the end of the season, 2016 looks like their best bet for having a shot at the SB again.....

From leftbto right,  
BlueLou : 5/27/2015 10:37 am : link
Flowers, Jerry, Richburgh, Shwartz, Pugh.

If Flowers commands the playbook, he never looks back...
.  
idiotsavant : 5/27/2015 10:47 am : link
Pugh/Jones/Richburg/Schwartz/Flowers

or

Pugh/Jones/Richburg/Jerry/Flowers

(vet/rook/vetish/vet/rook)

(balance health/balance health/balance health/power/power)
Despite my preference to move Schwartz to RG....  
Torrag : 5/27/2015 10:55 am : link
I believe he'll remain at LG initially to allow Jerry his comfort zone at RG. So it will look like this...until/unless someone can beat out Jerry.

Pugh-Schwartz-Richmond-Jerry-Flowers

richmond = Richburg  
Torrag : 5/27/2015 10:56 am : link
Coffee!
RE: Matt  
OC2.0 : 5/27/2015 10:57 am : link
In comment 12302061 JonC said:
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Yup, and if the players' performances live up to billing, then it's possible Beatty doesn't get back into the lineup.

Now, that's probably optimal thinking but we know the coaches tend to not move OL around later unless injuries force their hand. We shall see.


Agree with you there. If Pugh or Flowers are playing solid then Beatty's days as a starter are done on this team.
RE: when you look at those lists  
BlueLou : 5/27/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12301938 grizz299 said:
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... Pugh (LT), Jerry, Weston, Schwartz, Flowers

You can't put a guy with technique problems at OLT. Smith from Dallas didn't start there, most of the tackles over the last few don't start, they learn their techniques year one...


Ahem, grizz... Tyron Smith was an ORT in college. Flowers started at OLT for 3 years. Randy Gregory, widely considered the best pure draft eligible pass rusher in college last year, was eaten alive by Flowers, to the extent that Gregory's coaches moved him away from Flowers' side.

Flowers' real issue IMO will be learning the play book well enough fast enough, and it will hurt him (if he is not a fast enough study) equally at either OT position. Maybe it can be hid a bit at OG.
It's official, they're being aggressive  
JonC : 5/27/2015 11:57 am : link
LT Ereck Flowers, LG Justin Pugh, C Weston Richburg, RG John Jerry, RT Marshall Newhouse
Dayum, sitting Shwartz's arse?  
BlueLou : 5/27/2015 12:02 pm : link
And fixing the left side ofvthe OL for a decade. I guess putting last year's ORT next to Flowers can help EF more with his assugnments, as needed?
They're easing Schwartz back in  
JonC : 5/27/2015 12:03 pm : link
his ankle injury was quite serious.
OK..I predict  
micky : 5/27/2015 12:07 pm : link
Lt: Flowers, Lg: Pugh C: Richburgh Rg: Jerry (Schwartz still recovering) Rt: Newhouse

Wild guess.....
RE: It's official, they're being aggressive  
OC2.0 : 5/27/2015 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12302379 JonC said:
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LT Ereck Flowers, LG Justin Pugh, C Weston Richburg, RG John Jerry, RT Marshall Newhouse


The right side of that set up would be scary.
RE: I think it ends up  
dguy901 : 5/27/2015 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12302119 nygiants16 said:
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Newhouse-Schwartz-Richburg-Pugh-Flowers

Experience at LT, Pugh goes inside and Flowers starts at RT....

Next year Flowers makes the move to LT...

Not in a million years. Pugh hasn't played OG let-alone ROG and Flowers is a rookie. Either the OT or the OG on a side must have experience and expertise to help the less experienced player! Pugh will be LOT to start and Flowers will start-out as ROT. That leaves Schwartz who is better at ROT and Richburg at OC. I don't know a whole lot about Hart but, there is a reason he was available in the 7th round and will be a developmental player. Marshall Newhouse does nothing above average and might be decent OT in a pinch. There are (2) intriguing darkhorses on the team that could shock us, Michael Bamiro and Eric Herman. Check them out before you call for my head for sying that. Right now, it looks like Pugh-Herman-Richburg-Schwartz-Flowers to start today.
RE: RE: I think it ends up  
dguy901 : 5/27/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12302649 dguy901 said:
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In comment 12302119 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


Newhouse-Schwartz-Richburg-Pugh-Flowers

Experience at LT, Pugh goes inside and Flowers starts at RT....

Next year Flowers makes the move to LT...


Not in a million years. Pugh hasn't played OG let-alone ROG and Flowers is a rookie. Either the OT or the OG on a side must have experience and expertise to help the less experienced player! Pugh will be LOT to start and Flowers will start-out as ROT. That leaves Schwartz who is better at ROT and Richburg at OC. I don't know a whole lot about Hart but, there is a reason he was available in the 7th round and will be a developmental player. Marshall Newhouse does nothing above average and might be decent OT in a pinch. There are (2) intriguing darkhorses on the team that could shock us, Michael Bamiro and Eric Herman. Check them out before you call for my head for sying that. Right now, it looks like Pugh-Herman-Richburg-Schwartz-Flowers to start today.

OK, I was wrong!
High school math sez  
CT Charlie : 5/27/2015 3:51 pm : link
if all 7 guys in the mix were interchangeable, there'd be 2,520 different ways to fill the five slots.

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