LT-Erek Flowers LG-Brandon Moseley C-Weston Richburg RG-Geoff Schwartz RT-Justin Pugh .I hope Bamiro develops and takes over LG but I doubt it so I put Moseley instead of Jerry.
It becomes apparent how important Newhouse is. If he's just competent everything fits. Then I remember the Brown pickup at about the same time last year.
The guy was so bad he was cut mid-season.
So I swing back and wonder if you can build a line dependent on a man who The Bengals and Packers both cut.
Pugh (LT), Jerry, Weston, Schwartz, Flowers
You can't put a guy with technique problems at OLT. Smith from Dallas didn't start there, most of the tackles over the last few don't start, they learn their techniques year one.
But I think the lose of Beatty has been underrated, the impact is huge, it's probably the most critical position and all the arguments are buloney, he was a capable player, his loss weakens several positions and now another loss (say to Schwartz) could impact a potentially great season.
Pugh's first snap is at RT because they have said he is the starting right tackle. Richburg at Center. I believe Schwartz and Jerry are our Guards until Beatty returns or until/if we bring someone better in. 9th overall, the belief is there that he can he be a Left Tackle, it's learning time not game day, Flowers will get thrown in at Left Tackle, same position he was at during Rookie minicamp, it will be comfortable for him to stay where he has been most of his career and it makes sense for our team since left tackle has become a glaring need for at least 8 games.
Flowers runs with 2nd team until he settles in and as little disruption to last year's line up as possible until they gain some confidence in the right direction to at the T positions.
Looking at all those combinations I don't see a single one that is impressive. They all include a few weak links. You can't have any weak links in the oline. So I'll have to hope that the there is at least one starter who is not yet on the team.
so McAdoo is familiar with him i assume. So he might get a shot at that spot if he has developed. Interesting situation and could be a godsend for us if it worked out.
I don't see how Newhouse, who's been benched and released, is a better player all of a sudden than Jerry who has 48 straight starts. Not that Herry has been some all pro but what's Newhouse been.
We'll find out, but the plan has been to kick Pugh inside. If they prefer to stick with that, then limiting the number of moves means Newhouse gets a crack.
Newhouse could be at either OT, as could Pugh or Flowers. Pugh could also be at LG. Schwartz could be at either OG, as could Jerry. I will say this, I hope Jerry is NOT in the "starting" 5 for OTAs. They should be presenting as the starters who they expect to start, as of right now. Flowers was drafted to start from day 1 and should be handled that way. That doesn't mean he couldn't lose the job. But, right out of the gate, their expected starting unit should be together at their expected positions. Of course a FA signing and/or quality of play between now and September could change things.
I agree. I am hoping they don't have to tweak too much from their plans to overcome this injury. That means one of a few things:
1) If they truly want Pugh at LG, then they put him at LG
2) IF they want Flowers at LT, he be placed at LT
3) If they want Flowers at RT, he be placed at RT
4) If they want Schwartz at RG, then he start at RG
5) All of this may mean they have a lot riding in Newhouse being able to play at a decent level at either OT position.
That was five years ago, with a QB who was much more athletic and elusive than Eli is now. What has Newhouse done since except lose his job in Green Bay and wash out in Cincinnati?
If he can play at a decent level, he really helps in terms of options. Ideally, he can fill in at LT, which leaves the rest of their plans in tact. It could boil down to who they feel is less likely to suck, Newhouse at either OT or Jerry at either OG. they should have talent at the other OL positions, so either of these guys, if thrust into a starting role, simply needs to be decent. They aren't likely to get excellent play out of either. But, if the rest of the OL plays up to talent, they could still have a much improved OL.
Personally, I'm hoping for Newhouse because Jerry was really bad last year.
Yup, and if the players' performances live up to billing, then it's possible Beatty doesn't get back into the lineup.
Now, that's probably optimal thinking but we know the coaches tend to not move OL around later unless injuries force their hand. We shall see.
I think OL is one position that a player should not simply return to his starting job when returning from injury. It should really depend on how the fill-in and the OL as a whole are playing. This is, more than any other position, a unit of 5 players. They need to have chemistry and be on the same page. If they have accomplished that, the running game is thriving, and Eli isn't getting sacked, then Beatty should not be guaranteed anything when he returns.
Was about having three players who were (potential) starting tackles and which players to move because of that and Newhouse wasn't part of that discussion. They no longer have three players who are starting tackles. They have Pugh and a (hopefully very good) rookie.
I trust Pugh is up to the task if they install him at a tackle spot, but I think BBI overrates him a bit at tackle.
If you think we're over rating Pugh as a tackle, I bring to your attention the number of people on this thread that list Newhouse as our starting LT. Dear God that is wishful and delusional thinking.
and ultimately he might not even earn the RT gig. But, fans need to realize playing LT in the NFL isn't the same as at Syracuse a few years in the past. No sure thing either way, whereas Newhouse has played tackle in the NFL.
Also note that Newhouse and Jerry both have demonstrated a similar type of enigmatic existence on gamedays. I'm willing to wager on Pugh-LG and Newhouse-RT over Jerry at OG in camp, at least.
that doesn't include Flowers is insane.....we have to sink or swim with this guy.....
Fact is, we were going to have different starters at 4 of the positions in this OL with Beatty....now we may have 5....
It's impossible to have any kind of cohesion with a unit like this....what you see in OTA's, may be vastly different by the opening bell, which means this line will constantly be changing up to this point.....it will have an effect on the offense in critical parts of the game....
How quickly this line comes together, determines how far this team goes.....can it keep Eli safe? Can it block in short yardage situations? Can it control the LOS or will it be controlled?
If this line does not come together quickly, the season will be over before the bye.....we are not replacing one OLman....we are replacing the whole line, because just about everyone will be playing a new position, and has to work with a different guy, to the right and left of them, from last year....and what are the odds, one of them goes down...there are no backups that can replace them without an appreciable drop off....
It wasn't going to be easy even with a healthy Beatty.....but his loss complicates things....
So once again, we have to hope a patchwork OL comes together, and stays healthy for a whole season......we have a defense that will be playing a new scheme, and it will take awhile for them to play together and not mistakes.....
So should anyone be surprised if this team is once again eliminated before the bye? No, we play 4 division games and 2 tough road games in that span....
Everything, and I mean everything will have to break right for the Giants, to still be in this before the bye.....Jennings has to stay healthy.....Williams and Donnell have to take that next step....can Cruz come back? Will Vereen be the missing element this offense needs? Can Beason stay on the field? Can Spags get more out of his players than Fewell? Both lines will be works in progress....how fast they come together, determines the fate of this team....
Even if this team does not make the playoffs again, if it continues to progress to the end of the season, 2016 looks like their best bet for having a shot at the SB again.....
You can't put a guy with technique problems at OLT. Smith from Dallas didn't start there, most of the tackles over the last few don't start, they learn their techniques year one...
Ahem, grizz... Tyron Smith was an ORT in college. Flowers started at OLT for 3 years. Randy Gregory, widely considered the best pure draft eligible pass rusher in college last year, was eaten alive by Flowers, to the extent that Gregory's coaches moved him away from Flowers' side.
Flowers' real issue IMO will be learning the play book well enough fast enough, and it will hurt him (if he is not a fast enough study) equally at either OT position. Maybe it can be hid a bit at OG.
Experience at LT, Pugh goes inside and Flowers starts at RT....
Next year Flowers makes the move to LT...
Not in a million years. Pugh hasn't played OG let-alone ROG and Flowers is a rookie. Either the OT or the OG on a side must have experience and expertise to help the less experienced player! Pugh will be LOT to start and Flowers will start-out as ROT. That leaves Schwartz who is better at ROT and Richburg at OC. I don't know a whole lot about Hart but, there is a reason he was available in the 7th round and will be a developmental player. Marshall Newhouse does nothing above average and might be decent OT in a pinch. There are (2) intriguing darkhorses on the team that could shock us, Michael Bamiro and Eric Herman. Check them out before you call for my head for sying that. Right now, it looks like Pugh-Herman-Richburg-Schwartz-Flowers to start today.
Experience at LT, Pugh goes inside and Flowers starts at RT....
Next year Flowers makes the move to LT...
Not in a million years. Pugh hasn't played OG let-alone ROG and Flowers is a rookie. Either the OT or the OG on a side must have experience and expertise to help the less experienced player! Pugh will be LOT to start and Flowers will start-out as ROT. That leaves Schwartz who is better at ROT and Richburg at OC. I don't know a whole lot about Hart but, there is a reason he was available in the 7th round and will be a developmental player. Marshall Newhouse does nothing above average and might be decent OT in a pinch. There are (2) intriguing darkhorses on the team that could shock us, Michael Bamiro and Eric Herman. Check them out before you call for my head for sying that. Right now, it looks like Pugh-Herman-Richburg-Schwartz-Flowers to start today.
Left to right: Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, Newhouse
Crazy but interesting.
..which let Flowers earn it
The guy was so bad he was cut mid-season.
So I swing back and wonder if you can build a line dependent on a man who The Bengals and Packers both cut.
Pugh (LT), Jerry, Weston, Schwartz, Flowers
You can't put a guy with technique problems at OLT. Smith from Dallas didn't start there, most of the tackles over the last few don't start, they learn their techniques year one.
But I think the lose of Beatty has been underrated, the impact is huge, it's probably the most critical position and all the arguments are buloney, he was a capable player, his loss weakens several positions and now another loss (say to Schwartz) could impact a potentially great season.
Need good feet on the left side to protect Eli's blind side and need bulldozing power on the right side.
That's the second time you said Parker for Schwartz. I'm wondering what it is that these two may have in common that your subconscious is aware of. :)
Pugh, Jerry, Richburg, Schwartz and Flowers.
What we'll probably see (and pray it doesn't remain for long) :
Newhouse-Schwartz-Richburg-Jerry-Pugh
Perhaps the best lineup possible, in terms of talent :
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-Newhouse
My as well try out Oh Canada...Lots of options better than the oft cut Newhouse and what should be career backup Jerry
1) If they truly want Pugh at LG, then they put him at LG
2) IF they want Flowers at LT, he be placed at LT
3) If they want Flowers at RT, he be placed at RT
4) If they want Schwartz at RG, then he start at RG
5) All of this may mean they have a lot riding in Newhouse being able to play at a decent level at either OT position.
Now, that's probably optimal thinking but we know the coaches tend to not move OL around later unless injuries force their hand. We shall see.
That was five years ago, with a QB who was much more athletic and elusive than Eli is now. What has Newhouse done since except lose his job in Green Bay and wash out in Cincinnati?
Personally, I'm hoping for Newhouse because Jerry was really bad last year.
Now, that's probably optimal thinking but we know the coaches tend to not move OL around later unless injuries force their hand. We shall see.
I think OL is one position that a player should not simply return to his starting job when returning from injury. It should really depend on how the fill-in and the OL as a whole are playing. This is, more than any other position, a unit of 5 players. They need to have chemistry and be on the same page. If they have accomplished that, the running game is thriving, and Eli isn't getting sacked, then Beatty should not be guaranteed anything when he returns.
Experience at LT, Pugh goes inside and Flowers starts at RT....
Next year Flowers makes the move to LT...
I trust Pugh is up to the task if they install him at a tackle spot, but I think BBI overrates him a bit at tackle.
I trust Pugh is up to the task if they install him at a tackle spot, but I think BBI overrates him a bit at tackle.
If you think we're over rating Pugh as a tackle, I bring to your attention the number of people on this thread that list Newhouse as our starting LT. Dear God that is wishful and delusional thinking.
Call me crazy, but imo you don't draft a guy @ 9 & not plug him in somewhere.
As for Pugh; he played LT in school @ a high level so he should at least hold his own.
It's no surprise some are trying to talk themselves into Newhouse not being trash.
Also note that Newhouse and Jerry both have demonstrated a similar type of enigmatic existence on gamedays. I'm willing to wager on Pugh-LG and Newhouse-RT over Jerry at OG in camp, at least.
Fact is, we were going to have different starters at 4 of the positions in this OL with Beatty....now we may have 5....
It's impossible to have any kind of cohesion with a unit like this....what you see in OTA's, may be vastly different by the opening bell, which means this line will constantly be changing up to this point.....it will have an effect on the offense in critical parts of the game....
How quickly this line comes together, determines how far this team goes.....can it keep Eli safe? Can it block in short yardage situations? Can it control the LOS or will it be controlled?
If this line does not come together quickly, the season will be over before the bye.....we are not replacing one OLman....we are replacing the whole line, because just about everyone will be playing a new position, and has to work with a different guy, to the right and left of them, from last year....and what are the odds, one of them goes down...there are no backups that can replace them without an appreciable drop off....
It wasn't going to be easy even with a healthy Beatty.....but his loss complicates things....
So once again, we have to hope a patchwork OL comes together, and stays healthy for a whole season......we have a defense that will be playing a new scheme, and it will take awhile for them to play together and not mistakes.....
So should anyone be surprised if this team is once again eliminated before the bye? No, we play 4 division games and 2 tough road games in that span....
Everything, and I mean everything will have to break right for the Giants, to still be in this before the bye.....Jennings has to stay healthy.....Williams and Donnell have to take that next step....can Cruz come back? Will Vereen be the missing element this offense needs? Can Beason stay on the field? Can Spags get more out of his players than Fewell? Both lines will be works in progress....how fast they come together, determines the fate of this team....
Even if this team does not make the playoffs again, if it continues to progress to the end of the season, 2016 looks like their best bet for having a shot at the SB again.....
If Flowers commands the playbook, he never looks back...
or
Pugh/Jones/Richburg/Jerry/Flowers
(vet/rook/vetish/vet/rook)
(balance health/balance health/balance health/power/power)
Pugh-Schwartz-Richmond-Jerry-Flowers
Now, that's probably optimal thinking but we know the coaches tend to not move OL around later unless injuries force their hand. We shall see.
Agree with you there. If Pugh or Flowers are playing solid then Beatty's days as a starter are done on this team.
You can't put a guy with technique problems at OLT. Smith from Dallas didn't start there, most of the tackles over the last few don't start, they learn their techniques year one...
Ahem, grizz... Tyron Smith was an ORT in college. Flowers started at OLT for 3 years. Randy Gregory, widely considered the best pure draft eligible pass rusher in college last year, was eaten alive by Flowers, to the extent that Gregory's coaches moved him away from Flowers' side.
Flowers' real issue IMO will be learning the play book well enough fast enough, and it will hurt him (if he is not a fast enough study) equally at either OT position. Maybe it can be hid a bit at OG.
Wild guess.....
The right side of that set up would be scary.
Experience at LT, Pugh goes inside and Flowers starts at RT....
Next year Flowers makes the move to LT...
Not in a million years. Pugh hasn't played OG let-alone ROG and Flowers is a rookie. Either the OT or the OG on a side must have experience and expertise to help the less experienced player! Pugh will be LOT to start and Flowers will start-out as ROT. That leaves Schwartz who is better at ROT and Richburg at OC. I don't know a whole lot about Hart but, there is a reason he was available in the 7th round and will be a developmental player. Marshall Newhouse does nothing above average and might be decent OT in a pinch. There are (2) intriguing darkhorses on the team that could shock us, Michael Bamiro and Eric Herman. Check them out before you call for my head for sying that. Right now, it looks like Pugh-Herman-Richburg-Schwartz-Flowers to start today.
Quote:
Newhouse-Schwartz-Richburg-Pugh-Flowers
Experience at LT, Pugh goes inside and Flowers starts at RT....
Next year Flowers makes the move to LT...
Not in a million years. Pugh hasn't played OG let-alone ROG and Flowers is a rookie. Either the OT or the OG on a side must have experience and expertise to help the less experienced player! Pugh will be LOT to start and Flowers will start-out as ROT. That leaves Schwartz who is better at ROT and Richburg at OC. I don't know a whole lot about Hart but, there is a reason he was available in the 7th round and will be a developmental player. Marshall Newhouse does nothing above average and might be decent OT in a pinch. There are (2) intriguing darkhorses on the team that could shock us, Michael Bamiro and Eric Herman. Check them out before you call for my head for sying that. Right now, it looks like Pugh-Herman-Richburg-Schwartz-Flowers to start today.
OK, I was wrong!
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