the beat reporters tweet who is on the 2nd team OL.
set yes..
but you have to be a little nervous about growing pains with Flowers..and Pugh playing a new position.
They're going to have to give his some help quite a bit...I'm guessing.
not by me...Huge leap in comp level. They don't even line up nose on nose in the CFL. The DL are a yard off the ball. Talk about needing an adjustment period.
That said give him time and he could develop. Jones has the physical attributes and he's hungry. He could have remained in Canada and had a career and made good money. He chose to test himself against the very best. I admire that and wish him well. Realistically it is going to take him some time.
why Schwartz being injured and not being on the field burns my biscuits as much as it does, he is not very good to begin with, I think it has more to do with the bodies that lurch behind him that fill the void, are awful ...
Are we to be pleased that a former #1 draft pick has been moved from
i am not sure ...
Floyd The Barber : 12:27 pm : link : reply
why Schwartz being injured and not being on the field burns my biscuits as much as it does
i am not sure ...
Floyd The Barber : 12:27 pm : link : reply
why Schwartz being injured and not being on the field burns my biscuits as much as it does
He is on the field and he is playing.
he is going to be limited, he will not be contact ready I can tell you that ...
If Jerry and Newhouse are our best options to start...
There is no contact before training camp. You have no clue who will or won't be ready. The fact he's in OTA drills playing indicates to me he's probably gtg for full contact once camp opens.
about flowers at LT is hilarious. he's played nothing but LT and they've talked about him as a LT and people still managed to get surprised he (continues) to play LT.
Beatty plays RT if he makes it back. the flowers era has already started
it will be because of re-injury or a new injury. He wouldn't have been on the field at all today if he was in danger of not playing at the start of the season. The big if, IF he can stay healthy, a right side of Scwartz and Newhouse should be better than Jerry and an injured Pugh from last year. Likewise, Flowers and Pugh have the potential to be a much more dominating left side with Richburg as a solid anchor. This OL has the potential (that word again) to be much better than the last couple of years. If Jerry isn't starting at least half the games, he is still a decent asset as backup.
This year is the most excited I have been about a draft class in some time. Plus, it really higlights last year's draft and FA signings. If players play to their ability, Reese can really come away looking very good. That means Flowers is a legit LT, Schwartz is healthy and plays like he did when healthy and at RG last year, Jerry is a good backup, Richburg anchors the middle, Collins is a legit SS, etc.
I think unless Flowers struggles, you are correct, we've seen the last of Beatty at LT.
But that's assuming that he doesn't struggle. Which is a big assumption IMO. I'm not saying he won't eventually play well at LT, but he's a rookie who even the Giants admit has technique issues.
I think unless Flowers struggles, you are correct, we've seen the last of Beatty at LT.
Agree. But do you think Beatty can be effective at RT? He really isn't a physical, drive blocking type that you would want at RT. And if not Beatty, who do you think would be best at RT if indeed Flowers proves ready for LT right away?
If Flowers sticks at LT (and I'd leave him there unless he flops)
it will be interesting to see if they decide to try Beatty at RT when he's healthy.
He doesn't fit the position ideally, but if he demonstrated he could hold it down, it effectively buys them time from having to draft or sign a RT right away.
There is no contact before training camp. You have no clue who will or won't be ready. The fact he's in OTA drills playing indicates to me he's probably gtg for full contact once camp opens.
call me pessimistic, but the severity of the injury, and a man that size, lower leg, is never really a good thing ... but as I restated earlier, Schwartz at his best isn't all that good, its just the bodies behind him are awful ... maybe one of these new guys will make a name
I agree we shouldn't be stunned that Flowers is at LT with the Beatty injury. The Giants drafted him Top 10 a spot they expect to get elite talent production.
Just for clarification Flowers started and played at RT his first season at Miami. He did play the last two seasons at LT.
1) I also like Jon C's thought about Beatty at RT if he is healthy enough to play this year. the bottom line is, by putting Flowers at LT today, the giants have declared their intention for him to be the LT for a long time. you don't move him there unless you expect him to ultimately take over there anyway. Beatty's injury just moved up their plan.
2) But, if Newhouse is playing well at RT, I don't see the need to give Beatty a starting spot upon his return.
3) How many teams have a second string OL in today's NFL that isn't pretty scary overall?
'as I restated earlier, Schwartz at his best isn't all that good'
The Giants disagree with you. They didn't sign him as a free agent to a lucrative deal because they thought he wasn't 'all that good'. He got hurt. It happens. It isn't an indictment of his talent.
Either way, his potential cap savings next winter is almost $7M. We'll need to see if Newhouse is productive, and do they decide to procure a starting caliber RT next offseason, regardless.
IF Flowers pans out at LT Beatty's days are numbered
If the team is confident his future is at LT no way they pay Beatty $7M after this season. But that's putting the cart before the horse. The priority is finding five guys that can improve on what was a soft but functional pass blocking and awful run blocking unit from last year.
Beatty had 27 reps of 225 at the combine and if anything I'd bet he's gotten stronger.
that was tied for 3rd most among tackles in his draft class who did the bench. more than Sebastian Vollmer, Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe, Eben Britton, Phil Loadholt, etc.
anyway, if you want to say he's not a road grader or he's not tough because he quotes bible verses and is known as more of a technique lineman than a brute force lineman that's fine, but don't say he's weak or a pussy, it makes you look foolish.
and I'm not a huge Beatty fan (I think in 2015 the Giants would have been better with him than without him, but I don't love him at LT), just hate the stereotypes that get thrown around as fact.
RE: IF Flowers pans out at LT Beatty's days are numbered
If the team is confident his future is at LT no way they pay Beatty $7M after this season. But that's putting the cart before the horse. The priority is finding five guys that can improve on what was a soft but functional pass blocking and awful run blocking unit from last year.
Question: If Flowers pans out right away at LT, Beatty comes back and proves competent at RT, would they cut Schwartz instead next year?
If the team is confident his future is at LT no way they pay Beatty $7M after this season. But that's putting the cart before the horse. The priority is finding five guys that can improve on what was a soft but functional pass blocking and awful run blocking unit from last year.
Question: If Flowers pans out right away at LT, Beatty comes back and proves competent at RT, would they cut Schwartz instead next year?
No. Schwartz was signed to play OG. Why cut him and create a hole there? I think the more likely scenario would be Flowers pans out, Schwartz slides out to RT and Beatty gets cut. Hopefully one of the younger guys (Hermann, Mosely, Hart, etc) can then step up at RG if this were to happen.
You also have to insert..
FatMan in Charlotte : 12:09 pm : link : reply
negativity from people who didn't see Newhouse play a down last year.
"The guy is dogshit and the worst player to ever have the luxury of putting on pads"! ''
Then again, FMIC typically speaks the truth on football.
Is Newhouse any good or no? who gots the data?
and...Schwartz was all happy dappy showing off commenting around draft time, where is his ass? and is HE any effing good?
set yes..
but you have to be a little nervous about growing pains with Flowers..and Pugh playing a new position.
They're going to have to give his some help quite a bit...I'm guessing.
He's in the 11 v 11 drills...get a grip
I thought he was ticketed for the Pro Bowl.
That said give him time and he could develop. Jones has the physical attributes and he's hungry. He could have remained in Canada and had a career and made good money. He chose to test himself against the very best. I admire that and wish him well. Realistically it is going to take him some time.
And we may be waiting for a new starting lineman to be signed for Week 2 from the veteran free agent pool.
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Hart-Schwartz
It doesn't matter where he plays, as long as he gives you starting-quality production.
If he's playing LG and the team can do what it needs to do in the pass and run game, do you care that he's not playing RT?
Disappointing for Herman.
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RT to guard and replaced by Marshall Newhouse at RT? This is a good thing?
It doesn't matter where he plays, as long as he gives you starting-quality production.
If he's playing LG and the team can do what it needs to do in the pass and run game, do you care that he's not playing RT?
Agree with your premise if there is a suitable replacement at RT.
Floyd The Barber : 12:27 pm : link : reply
why Schwartz being injured and not being on the field burns my biscuits as much as it does
He is on the field and he is playing.
Floyd The Barber : 12:27 pm : link : reply
why Schwartz being injured and not being on the field burns my biscuits as much as it does
He is on the field and he is playing.
he is going to be limited, he will not be contact ready I can tell you that ...
Beatty plays RT if he makes it back. the flowers era has already started
This year is the most excited I have been about a draft class in some time. Plus, it really higlights last year's draft and FA signings. If players play to their ability, Reese can really come away looking very good. That means Flowers is a legit LT, Schwartz is healthy and plays like he did when healthy and at RG last year, Jerry is a good backup, Richburg anchors the middle, Collins is a legit SS, etc.
Fingers and toes crossed the first team OL stays healthy.
But that's assuming that he doesn't struggle. Which is a big assumption IMO. I'm not saying he won't eventually play well at LT, but he's a rookie who even the Giants admit has technique issues.
Agree. But do you think Beatty can be effective at RT? He really isn't a physical, drive blocking type that you would want at RT. And if not Beatty, who do you think would be best at RT if indeed Flowers proves ready for LT right away?
He doesn't fit the position ideally, but if he demonstrated he could hold it down, it effectively buys them time from having to draft or sign a RT right away.
call me pessimistic, but the severity of the injury, and a man that size, lower leg, is never really a good thing ... but as I restated earlier, Schwartz at his best isn't all that good, its just the bodies behind him are awful ... maybe one of these new guys will make a name
"The guy is dogshit and the worst player to ever have the luxury of putting on pads"!
It's fairly universal from all sources that Newhouse was garbage.
Just for clarification Flowers started and played at RT his first season at Miami. He did play the last two seasons at LT.
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Hart-Schwartz
This guy was a 7th round draft pick. If he makes the team, that would be something.
2) But, if Newhouse is playing well at RT, I don't see the need to give Beatty a starting spot upon his return.
3) How many teams have a second string OL in today's NFL that isn't pretty scary overall?
The Giants disagree with you. They didn't sign him as a free agent to a lucrative deal because they thought he wasn't 'all that good'. He got hurt. It happens. It isn't an indictment of his talent.
He is an intriguing prospect with lots of experience from a winning program, not to mention a huge guy.
Why is it out of the realm of possibility, especially with a starting lineup with so much uncertainty?
Either way, his potential cap savings next winter is almost $7M. We'll need to see if Newhouse is productive, and do they decide to procure a starting caliber RT next offseason, regardless.
Beatty had 27 reps of 225 at the combine and if anything I'd bet he's gotten stronger.
that was tied for 3rd most among tackles in his draft class who did the bench. more than Sebastian Vollmer, Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe, Eben Britton, Phil Loadholt, etc.
anyway, if you want to say he's not a road grader or he's not tough because he quotes bible verses and is known as more of a technique lineman than a brute force lineman that's fine, but don't say he's weak or a pussy, it makes you look foolish.
and I'm not a huge Beatty fan (I think in 2015 the Giants would have been better with him than without him, but I don't love him at LT), just hate the stereotypes that get thrown around as fact.
Question: If Flowers pans out right away at LT, Beatty comes back and proves competent at RT, would they cut Schwartz instead next year?
Any cap difference if Beatty is on ir for the full season vs designated to return?
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If the team is confident his future is at LT no way they pay Beatty $7M after this season. But that's putting the cart before the horse. The priority is finding five guys that can improve on what was a soft but functional pass blocking and awful run blocking unit from last year.
Question: If Flowers pans out right away at LT, Beatty comes back and proves competent at RT, would they cut Schwartz instead next year?
No. Schwartz was signed to play OG. Why cut him and create a hole there? I think the more likely scenario would be Flowers pans out, Schwartz slides out to RT and Beatty gets cut. Hopefully one of the younger guys (Hermann, Mosely, Hart, etc) can then step up at RG if this were to happen.
Any cap difference if Beatty is on ir for the full season vs designated to return?
Nope. IR players still count towards the cap. They could decide to waive/injured Beatty and get ~$500k in cap savings, but I doubt they'd do that.
But I don't think turning him into Richie Incognito is going to make the team better.
he's not that player and he doesn't have to be.
I think having a road grader guard and/or center is far more important than at the tackle.