The current roster offers little to nothing beyond Melo's talent.
His leadership? Take a look at how well Sump and Smith are playing on a LeBron lead team. They NEVER had or will have that with Melo.
The trade FAILED miserably...it's time to move on.
Where do they go from here? If that Lakers trade of a #2 and Randle for Melo is real..what the hell are they waiting for?!
If they can't pull that off (or something like it) they need to shop Melo to other teams.
One team who may be ripe right about now? The Hawks. Why? A few reasons.
1) For all of their complementary talent and great coaching, they don't have that one "Go To" scorer on the roster.
2) They won 60 regular season games this year, you know where the ranked in attendance? #17
Trade Melo to the Hawks for Schroeder, this year's 1st and next years 1st. Schroeder is an up and coming PG who plays great defense, can penetrate the lane and create.
Just one idea, I'd love to hear others. It's time for housecleaning and it starts with getting some value in return for Melo.
They money that Anthony makes isn't stopping them from making other moves.
Even the lakers, if he wanted to be a laker he could have just signed there.
Melo is a really good player. Why not wait and see if Phil can build around him first?
As for JR, we have all seen him have stretches where he is good. We have also seen him go into month long funks. That has not changed, its not like he has been lighting the world on fire the whole time he has been in CLE.
Knicks trade Melo to say HOU - "Glad we got rid of him for spare pieces and one asset should have never resigned him"
Melo plays well on HOU - "Why did we give him away, what a horrible decision, Jackson Sux"
Do you think that if they had held on to him, his value would've gone up? I agree that they traded him at a low value, but JR has had a toxic reputation for years. The only thin keeping him would've done is put the Knicks lower on the draft board.
Me neither, but I was incensed when that imbecile JR Smith took a shot at the Knicks after the Bulls series. He's just a person of little character or intelligence. I hope the Warriors sweep them too.
JR is both a negative asset and a positive asset - sometimes in the same game.
We will see who the Knicks can bring in this offseason with the cap money they saved in that deal.
nygiants16 : 11:52 am : link : reply
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Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle and the 27th pick for Melo
Thank god your not the GM
-->>> You always seem to struggle with things that aren't obvious so let me spell it out for you. The reason why I'd take those young, albeit less talented players for Melo, is that I think MAXing Melo was a huge mistake. The trade would allow a reset of that horrible decision, while picking up a few young assets.
And let me spell it out for you..
The cap is going up so much they can add a max player this year along with a 10 million dollar player AND then another max next year...
So Melo's max contract after next year will seem like a discount because the salary cap is going up so much...
Oh yeah and the cap is going up again after the first bump so the Knicks will then have again 18 million in space...
So yes lets trade Melo for a couple of young players and a shitty pick...makes complete sense...
Ask the Hawks if they would of wanted Melo in the playoffs against the Cavs...
Regular season you can get away without having a superstar if you have the right mix of players BUT once the playoffs start you need a superstar...
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nygiants16 : 11:52 am : link : reply
In comment 12302357 Pep22 said:
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Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle and the 27th pick for Melo
Thank god your not the GM
-->>> You always seem to struggle with things that aren't obvious so let me spell it out for you. The reason why I'd take those young, albeit less talented players for Melo, is that I think MAXing Melo was a huge mistake. The trade would allow a reset of that horrible decision, while picking up a few young assets.
And let me spell it out for you..
The cap is going up so much they can add a max player this year along with a 10 million dollar player AND then another max next year...
So Melo's max contract after next year will seem like a discount because the salary cap is going up so much...
Oh yeah and the cap is going up again after the first bump so the Knicks will then have again 18 million in space...
So yes lets trade Melo for a couple of young players and a shitty pick...makes complete sense...
Ask the Hawks if they would of wanted Melo in the playoffs against the Cavs...
Regular season you can get away without having a superstar if you have the right mix of players BUT once the playoffs start you need a superstar...
also the problem with resetting, the Knicks can not afford to blow it up this year because they have no pick next year...so missing the playoffs would be a huge mistake...
If this is after next season and the team played like dog shit then i am all ofr trading Melo, but until then Melo is the player Phil is going to build around..
Draft slot is the only reason why I don't care about the trade. We decided to go full out tank mode, which is fine. I just didn't like the fan perspective of "I don't know how Phil managed to get rid of this guy but thank god he did". He was a head case, but he was an asset when motivated.
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Do you think that if they had held on to him, his value would've gone up? I agree that they traded him at a low value, but JR has had a toxic reputation for years. The only thin keeping him would've done is put the Knicks lower on the draft board.
Draft slot is the only reason why I don't care about the trade. We decided to go full out tank mode, which is fine. I just didn't like the fan perspective of "I don't know how Phil managed to get rid of this guy but thank god he did". He was a head case, but he was an asset when motivated.
But nobody wanted him, the Knicks were trying to trade him for months and nobody wanted him...he even said he was opting in if he was still with the Knicks...the Knicks would have 19 million in cap space if JR was not moved...
Dolan should have left Donny alone to finish the rebuild he started. You can't have multiple visions building your franchise. It doesn't work. The truth is Dolan expected Donny to land Lebron. As unrealistic as that was when he failed and settled for Stats ticking time bomb of a knee his days were numbered working for him.
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Regular season you can get away without having a superstar if you have the right mix of players BUT once the playoffs start you need a superstar...
--> Right, I almost forgot about Melo's prodigious playoff success.
Dolan should have left Donny alone to finish the rebuild he started. You can't have multiple visions building your franchise. It doesn't work. The truth is Dolan expected Donny to land Lebron. As unrealistic as that was when he failed and settled for Stats ticking time bomb of a knee his days were numbered working for him.
Donnie Walsh did an absolute horrible job as President...what was he doing that was so great? he built a middle of the road team that was going nowhere...
nygiants16 : 12:53 pm : link : reply
Regular season you can get away without having a superstar if you have the right mix of players BUT once the playoffs start you need a superstar...
--> Right, I almost forgot about Melo's prodigious playoff success.
Right because Melo has had some super teams right? he took those Denver teams to the playoffs every single year in the western conference including his rookie year, he turned a team around that was horrible and turned them into a playoff team...
Sorry he couldnt beat the Spurs or Lakers in the playoffs by himself....
Do you give Chris Paul shit to? he has never made it to the western conference finals...
Something tells me you just do not like Melo...
They should've taken DeRozan, but nobody was really saying that at the time.
They should've taken DeRozan, but nobody was really saying that at the time.
It doesnt help when the coach says he is a crap rookie and he is not going to play him...
And who can forget after the Melo trade D'antoni saying they were releasing Brewer because they had no use for his skillset...
Miami: 1st, Deng, Birdman and Mcroberts
Charlotte: Zeller, Biyombo, Vonleh, Stephenson and 1st
Houston: Dmo, capela, nick johnson, NO 1st, and Ariza
Phoenix: Marcus Morris, Brandon Knight, TJ Warren, Goodwin, and 1st
Utah: Exum, Hood, Burke, and 1st for Melo, Jose, and THJR
Sacramento: 1st, Williams, Stuaskas and McCallum
Orlando: 1st, Harris, Frye, Harkless, and Nicholson
Unless you find any of these intriguing (and the Utah and Orlando ones make you think for second), theres no tremendous market for Melo.
Why tank in a year we don't have a pick? If we give up Melo we should wait a year.
Miami: 1st, Deng, Birdman and Mcroberts
Charlotte: Zeller, Biyombo, Vonleh, Stephenson and 1st
Houston: Dmo, capela, nick johnson, NO 1st, and Ariza
Phoenix: Marcus Morris, Brandon Knight, TJ Warren, Goodwin, and 1st
Utah: Exum, Hood, Burke, and 1st for Melo, Jose, and THJR
Sacramento: 1st, Williams, Stuaskas and McCallum
Orlando: 1st, Harris, Frye, Harkless, and Nicholson
Unless you find any of these intriguing (and the Utah and Orlando ones make you think for second), theres no tremendous market for Melo.
Why tank in a year we don't have a pick? If we give up Melo we should wait a year.
and add in the fact that Melo has a np-trade clause.
Miami: 1st, Deng, Birdman and Mcroberts: NO
Charlotte: Zeller, Biyombo, Vonleh, Stephenson and 1st: NO
Houston: Dmo, capela, nick johnson, NO 1st, and Ariza: NO
Phoenix: Marcus Morris, Brandon Knight, TJ Warren, Goodwin, and 1st : NO
Utah: Exum, Hood, Burke, and 1st for Melo, Jose, and THJR: Interesting but still NO
Sacramento: 1st, Williams, Stuaskas and McCallum: NO
Orlando: 1st, Harris, Frye, Harkless, and Nicholson: NO
Unless you find any of these intriguing (and the Utah and Orlando ones make you think for second), theres no tremendous market for Melo.
Why tank in a year we don't have a pick? If we give up Melo we should wait a year.
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Washington: Nene, Porter, Wesbter and 1st
Miami: 1st, Deng, Birdman and Mcroberts
Charlotte: Zeller, Biyombo, Vonleh, Stephenson and 1st
Houston: Dmo, capela, nick johnson, NO 1st, and Ariza
Phoenix: Marcus Morris, Brandon Knight, TJ Warren, Goodwin, and 1st
Utah: Exum, Hood, Burke, and 1st for Melo, Jose, and THJR
Sacramento: 1st, Williams, Stuaskas and McCallum
Orlando: 1st, Harris, Frye, Harkless, and Nicholson
Unless you find any of these intriguing (and the Utah and Orlando ones make you think for second), theres no tremendous market for Melo.
Why tank in a year we don't have a pick? If we give up Melo we should wait a year.
and add in the fact that Melo has a np-trade clause.
And then do I subtract the fact that he has publicly said that he is willing to waive his no trade clause?
Not Charlotte and certainly not a George Karl reunion in Sacto.
Knick fans are just impossible to please. Melo has his flaws, but he is one of the most prolific scorers the league has seen in the past 20 years and a first ballot Hall of Famer. It doesn't matter though. He's not LeBron.
I could understand if at this time next year the Knicks have nothing to show for it and they are coming off another shit year and no draft pick....
There is actually reason for optimism...4th pick in a 4 player draft, 27 million in cap space....some good players are free agents, the east sucks and is wide open....
But this is a sore point with me and the fact that Ewing caught so much flack over the years is part of the reason why I think sports fans in general are fucking morons
That team was very good, they had 5 guys average double figures...Larry Johnson was still in his prime, Starks as the sixth man, still had Oakley and Ewing as the defensive back bone, that team could score and defend with the best of them...
They were probably the only team that could of beaten Jordan and the Bulls...
Draft Mudiay, sign Monroe, someone who can provide some sort of rim protection (Koufos is 25, looks the part), get a wing with the MLE (gerald green maybe).
Some of the guys on the roster last year could be decent backups. Shved, galloway, and calderon. Aldrich is pretty decent. Maybe flip TH for a backup 4. Could be a serviceable lineup for a year or two before better options become available.
The good thing about maxing Monroe is 1 he is 25, 2 he is the perfect fit for the triangle, 3 his max starts at 15 million...that leaves the Knicks with 12 million to add more players to this team....
you could get a Wes Matthes and Maybe Koufos as well...not sure what they are going to want, 1 coming off of injury the other was a back up in Memphis...
it is going to be interesting to see what Phil does with this team..
The good thing about maxing Monroe is 1 he is 25, 2 he is the perfect fit for the triangle, 3 his max starts at 15 million...that leaves the Knicks with 12 million to add more players to this team....
you could get a Wes Matthes and Maybe Koufos as well...not sure what they are going to want, 1 coming off of injury the other was a back up in Memphis...
it is going to be interesting to see what Phil does with this team..
Whenever Memphis games were nationally televised (which was rarely), all I ever heard about Koufos was that he was going to get a big contract this year. Memphis's defense was actually better when Koufos was out on the floor (albeit vs backups). But he played well in Denver. I could easily see him commanding $8-10 million.
I was assuming that after signing Monroe and Koufos (or whatever big we sign) and re-signing some of our current players, we would be over the cap. At that point, I think Gerlad Green could be a had for $3-5 million.
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no MLE for the Knicks they will be under the cap...they will have the 2.5 million exception....
The good thing about maxing Monroe is 1 he is 25, 2 he is the perfect fit for the triangle, 3 his max starts at 15 million...that leaves the Knicks with 12 million to add more players to this team....
you could get a Wes Matthes and Maybe Koufos as well...not sure what they are going to want, 1 coming off of injury the other was a back up in Memphis...
it is going to be interesting to see what Phil does with this team..
Whenever Memphis games were nationally televised (which was rarely), all I ever heard about Koufos was that he was going to get a big contract this year. Memphis's defense was actually better when Koufos was out on the floor (albeit vs backups). But he played well in Denver. I could easily see him commanding $8-10 million.
I was assuming that after signing Monroe and Koufos (or whatever big we sign) and re-signing some of our current players, we would be over the cap. At that point, I think Gerlad Green could be a had for $3-5 million.
Not how it works...you are given the exception July 8th(new year starts july 1st but cap is not set until the 8th) and if you are under on the 8th then that is the exception you get...
So Knicks could go over the cap but they will still have the 2.5 million exception....
Now that changes for a team over cap for example the Heat last year...they were over the cap on july 8th so at that point they were going to sign Mcroberts with the MLE but when Lebron signed with Cleveland they fell under the cap so they used cap sapce to sign him and had the 2.5 million exception...
Once you fall under the cap all you have is the 2.5 excpetion
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That's basically the whole story. He was going into 141 Worth and I noticed his bald head and while I usually say something to famous people I couldn't think of anything worth saying lol
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In comment 12302890 DanMetroMan said:
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saw Adam Silver down on Worth st.
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That's basically the whole story. He was going into 141 Worth and I noticed his bald head and while I usually say something to famous people I couldn't think of anything worth saying lol
"Hey baldie, way to screw the Knicks you dickhead."
That's probably where I would have started.
Okayyyyyyyyyyy
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In comment 12302890 DanMetroMan said:
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saw Adam Silver down on Worth st.
And?
That's basically the whole story. He was going into 141 Worth and I noticed his bald head and while I usually say something to famous people I couldn't think of anything worth saying lol
"Hey baldie, way to screw the Knicks you dickhead."
That's probably where I would have started.
Jon is better at the whole storytelling thing.
That team was very good, they had 5 guys average double figures...Larry Johnson was still in his prime, Starks as the sixth man, still had Oakley and Ewing as the defensive back bone, that team could score and defend with the best of them...
They were probably the only team that could of beaten Jordan and the Bulls...
Yeah let's suspend Ewing for walking near the scoring table...
Nobody can convince me that if Jordan had done the same thing Ewing did that he would've received the same suspension.