The current roster offers little to nothing beyond Melo's talent.
His leadership? Take a look at how well Sump and Smith are playing on a LeBron lead team. They NEVER had or will have that with Melo.
The trade FAILED miserably...it's time to move on.
Where do they go from here? If that Lakers trade of a #2 and Randle for Melo is real..what the hell are they waiting for?!
If they can't pull that off (or something like it) they need to shop Melo to other teams.
One team who may be ripe right about now? The Hawks. Why? A few reasons.
1) For all of their complementary talent and great coaching, they don't have that one "Go To" scorer on the roster.
2) They won 60 regular season games this year, you know where the ranked in attendance? #17
Trade Melo to the Hawks for Schroeder, this year's 1st and next years 1st. Schroeder is an up and coming PG who plays great defense, can penetrate the lane and create.
Just one idea, I'd love to hear others. It's time for housecleaning and it starts with getting some value in return for Melo.
It would probably be wise to move him, but in the age of needing to win now, that is a tough thing to sell the fanbase or ownership.
So....
What about Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford and Trevor Ariza? All great players on their respective teams that were on the Knicks prior to Melo and did very little.
Delete this thread. The entire premise is shit.
It would probably be wise to move him, but in the age of needing to win now, that is a tough thing to sell the fanbase or ownership.
No pick next year so not even a lottery pick to show for it. The Knicks should have sent Melo to the Bulls for whatever they could have taken back. Butler, Mirotic, picks, whatever. THAT was the move.
So....
Haha... "so what"
So then there's only a limited amount of teams (if any) the Knicks can deal with.
That gives those teams leverage in negotiations since there is far less competition available for Melo's services.
That gives the Knicks less opportunity to get a worthwhile deal.
So... that's what.
If your going to trade Melo you wait until after this season...you see what you can do in the off season and see if you can build a team around him...if you cant and the season is shit then you trade him...
and you realize if you trade Melo no one is coming here and you cant say build through the draft because they do not have next year's pick...
Just a really dumb idea...
So....
What about this part?
It doesn't work that way. You can't just shop a max player with a no trade clause. He decides where he goes (if anywhere).
Thank god your not the GM
yes it is Melo's fault Shump and JR played like dog shit...
yes it is Melo's fualt Amar'e and Chandler are always hurt...
Yes it is Melo's fault that Jason Kidd could not hit a shot in the playoffs....
Good luck finding a player to replace Melo becuase guess what? trading Melo puts you in the exact same position the Knicks were in 2010, and no one is coming here without Melo...
This playoffs have proven one thing, without a superstar you are not winning shit...
I recall watching JR Smith brick wide open shot after wide open shot against Indy in the playoffs... I thought that was due to Melo's lack of leadership.
I am willing to bet Phil and Melo came to an agreement, saying if it doesnt come together or there is no promise and the team is not working we will work a trade...Melo probably asked for the no trade to make sure he doesnt get traded to a shit team....
nygiants16 : 11:52 am : link : reply
In comment 12302357 Pep22 said:
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Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle and the 27th pick for Melo
Thank god your not the GM
-->>> You always seem to struggle with things that aren't obvious so let me spell it out for you. The reason why I'd take those young, albeit less talented players for Melo, is that I think MAXing Melo was a huge mistake. The trade would allow a reset of that horrible decision, while picking up a few young assets.
They money that Anthony makes isn't stopping them from making other moves.
Even the lakers, if he wanted to be a laker he could have just signed there.
Melo is a really good player. Why not wait and see if Phil can build around him first?
As for JR, we have all seen him have stretches where he is good. We have also seen him go into month long funks. That has not changed, its not like he has been lighting the world on fire the whole time he has been in CLE.
Knicks trade Melo to say HOU - "Glad we got rid of him for spare pieces and one asset should have never resigned him"
Melo plays well on HOU - "Why did we give him away, what a horrible decision, Jackson Sux"
Do you think that if they had held on to him, his value would've gone up? I agree that they traded him at a low value, but JR has had a toxic reputation for years. The only thin keeping him would've done is put the Knicks lower on the draft board.
Me neither, but I was incensed when that imbecile JR Smith took a shot at the Knicks after the Bulls series. He's just a person of little character or intelligence. I hope the Warriors sweep them too.
JR is both a negative asset and a positive asset - sometimes in the same game.
We will see who the Knicks can bring in this offseason with the cap money they saved in that deal.
nygiants16 : 11:52 am : link : reply
In comment 12302357 Pep22 said:
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Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle and the 27th pick for Melo
Thank god your not the GM
-->>> You always seem to struggle with things that aren't obvious so let me spell it out for you. The reason why I'd take those young, albeit less talented players for Melo, is that I think MAXing Melo was a huge mistake. The trade would allow a reset of that horrible decision, while picking up a few young assets.
And let me spell it out for you..
The cap is going up so much they can add a max player this year along with a 10 million dollar player AND then another max next year...
So Melo's max contract after next year will seem like a discount because the salary cap is going up so much...
Oh yeah and the cap is going up again after the first bump so the Knicks will then have again 18 million in space...
So yes lets trade Melo for a couple of young players and a shitty pick...makes complete sense...
Ask the Hawks if they would of wanted Melo in the playoffs against the Cavs...
Regular season you can get away without having a superstar if you have the right mix of players BUT once the playoffs start you need a superstar...
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nygiants16 : 11:52 am : link : reply
In comment 12302357 Pep22 said:
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Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle and the 27th pick for Melo
Thank god your not the GM
-->>> You always seem to struggle with things that aren't obvious so let me spell it out for you. The reason why I'd take those young, albeit less talented players for Melo, is that I think MAXing Melo was a huge mistake. The trade would allow a reset of that horrible decision, while picking up a few young assets.
And let me spell it out for you..
The cap is going up so much they can add a max player this year along with a 10 million dollar player AND then another max next year...
So Melo's max contract after next year will seem like a discount because the salary cap is going up so much...
Oh yeah and the cap is going up again after the first bump so the Knicks will then have again 18 million in space...
So yes lets trade Melo for a couple of young players and a shitty pick...makes complete sense...
Ask the Hawks if they would of wanted Melo in the playoffs against the Cavs...
Regular season you can get away without having a superstar if you have the right mix of players BUT once the playoffs start you need a superstar...
also the problem with resetting, the Knicks can not afford to blow it up this year because they have no pick next year...so missing the playoffs would be a huge mistake...
If this is after next season and the team played like dog shit then i am all ofr trading Melo, but until then Melo is the player Phil is going to build around..
Draft slot is the only reason why I don't care about the trade. We decided to go full out tank mode, which is fine. I just didn't like the fan perspective of "I don't know how Phil managed to get rid of this guy but thank god he did". He was a head case, but he was an asset when motivated.
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Do you think that if they had held on to him, his value would've gone up? I agree that they traded him at a low value, but JR has had a toxic reputation for years. The only thin keeping him would've done is put the Knicks lower on the draft board.
Draft slot is the only reason why I don't care about the trade. We decided to go full out tank mode, which is fine. I just didn't like the fan perspective of "I don't know how Phil managed to get rid of this guy but thank god he did". He was a head case, but he was an asset when motivated.
But nobody wanted him, the Knicks were trying to trade him for months and nobody wanted him...he even said he was opting in if he was still with the Knicks...the Knicks would have 19 million in cap space if JR was not moved...
Dolan should have left Donny alone to finish the rebuild he started. You can't have multiple visions building your franchise. It doesn't work. The truth is Dolan expected Donny to land Lebron. As unrealistic as that was when he failed and settled for Stats ticking time bomb of a knee his days were numbered working for him.
nygiants16 : 12:53 pm : link : reply
Regular season you can get away without having a superstar if you have the right mix of players BUT once the playoffs start you need a superstar...
--> Right, I almost forgot about Melo's prodigious playoff success.
Dolan should have left Donny alone to finish the rebuild he started. You can't have multiple visions building your franchise. It doesn't work. The truth is Dolan expected Donny to land Lebron. As unrealistic as that was when he failed and settled for Stats ticking time bomb of a knee his days were numbered working for him.
Donnie Walsh did an absolute horrible job as President...what was he doing that was so great? he built a middle of the road team that was going nowhere...
nygiants16 : 12:53 pm : link : reply
Regular season you can get away without having a superstar if you have the right mix of players BUT once the playoffs start you need a superstar...
--> Right, I almost forgot about Melo's prodigious playoff success.
Right because Melo has had some super teams right? he took those Denver teams to the playoffs every single year in the western conference including his rookie year, he turned a team around that was horrible and turned them into a playoff team...
Sorry he couldnt beat the Spurs or Lakers in the playoffs by himself....
Do you give Chris Paul shit to? he has never made it to the western conference finals...
Something tells me you just do not like Melo...
They should've taken DeRozan, but nobody was really saying that at the time.
They should've taken DeRozan, but nobody was really saying that at the time.
It doesnt help when the coach says he is a crap rookie and he is not going to play him...
And who can forget after the Melo trade D'antoni saying they were releasing Brewer because they had no use for his skillset...
Miami: 1st, Deng, Birdman and Mcroberts
Charlotte: Zeller, Biyombo, Vonleh, Stephenson and 1st
Houston: Dmo, capela, nick johnson, NO 1st, and Ariza
Phoenix: Marcus Morris, Brandon Knight, TJ Warren, Goodwin, and 1st
Utah: Exum, Hood, Burke, and 1st for Melo, Jose, and THJR
Sacramento: 1st, Williams, Stuaskas and McCallum
Orlando: 1st, Harris, Frye, Harkless, and Nicholson
Unless you find any of these intriguing (and the Utah and Orlando ones make you think for second), theres no tremendous market for Melo.
Why tank in a year we don't have a pick? If we give up Melo we should wait a year.