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NFT: The Knicks reality, Melo must go...

andrew_nyg : 5/27/2015 11:42 am
The current roster offers little to nothing beyond Melo's talent.

His leadership? Take a look at how well Sump and Smith are playing on a LeBron lead team. They NEVER had or will have that with Melo.

The trade FAILED miserably...it's time to move on.

Where do they go from here? If that Lakers trade of a #2 and Randle for Melo is real..what the hell are they waiting for?!

If they can't pull that off (or something like it) they need to shop Melo to other teams.

One team who may be ripe right about now? The Hawks. Why? A few reasons.
1) For all of their complementary talent and great coaching, they don't have that one "Go To" scorer on the roster.
2) They won 60 regular season games this year, you know where the ranked in attendance? #17

Trade Melo to the Hawks for Schroeder, this year's 1st and next years 1st. Schroeder is an up and coming PG who plays great defense, can penetrate the lane and create.

Just one idea, I'd love to hear others. It's time for housecleaning and it starts with getting some value in return for Melo.
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RE: Possible Melo trades for almost every team:  
RicFlair : 5/27/2015 1:37 pm : link
In comment 12302698 giantsfan44ab said:
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Washington: Nene, Porter, Wesbter and 1st

Miami: 1st, Deng, Birdman and Mcroberts

Charlotte: Zeller, Biyombo, Vonleh, Stephenson and 1st

Houston: Dmo, capela, nick johnson, NO 1st, and Ariza

Phoenix: Marcus Morris, Brandon Knight, TJ Warren, Goodwin, and 1st

Utah: Exum, Hood, Burke, and 1st for Melo, Jose, and THJR

Sacramento: 1st, Williams, Stuaskas and McCallum

Orlando: 1st, Harris, Frye, Harkless, and Nicholson

Unless you find any of these intriguing (and the Utah and Orlando ones make you think for second), theres no tremendous market for Melo.

Why tank in a year we don't have a pick? If we give up Melo we should wait a year.


and add in the fact that Melo has a np-trade clause.
RE: Possible Melo trades for almost every team:  
nygiants16 : 5/27/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12302698 giantsfan44ab said:
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Washington: Nene, Porter, Wesbter and 1st: NO

Miami: 1st, Deng, Birdman and Mcroberts: NO

Charlotte: Zeller, Biyombo, Vonleh, Stephenson and 1st: NO

Houston: Dmo, capela, nick johnson, NO 1st, and Ariza: NO

Phoenix: Marcus Morris, Brandon Knight, TJ Warren, Goodwin, and 1st : NO

Utah: Exum, Hood, Burke, and 1st for Melo, Jose, and THJR: Interesting but still NO

Sacramento: 1st, Williams, Stuaskas and McCallum: NO

Orlando: 1st, Harris, Frye, Harkless, and Nicholson: NO

Unless you find any of these intriguing (and the Utah and Orlando ones make you think for second), theres no tremendous market for Melo.

Why tank in a year we don't have a pick? If we give up Melo we should wait a year.
NYGiants don't waste your energy on the mouth breathing  
Stu11 : 5/27/2015 1:42 pm : link
Melo hate contingent. Nothing you will do or say will change their minds. Every problem with the current Knicks can be traced back to Melo. Especially the shitty management and trading of draft picks liberally with absolutely nothing to show for it. Donnie Walsh was great. A real genius. He tanked two years had Gallinari and a max player with bad knees that no team in the NBA wanted to touch with a max deal to show for it. Wonderful. Gives up a #1 pick to create a little cap space. awesome. The only decent move the guy made in 5 years was one that was forced upon him- the Melo trade.
RE: RE: Possible Melo trades for almost every team:  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12302701 RicFlair said:
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In comment 12302698 giantsfan44ab said:


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Washington: Nene, Porter, Wesbter and 1st

Miami: 1st, Deng, Birdman and Mcroberts

Charlotte: Zeller, Biyombo, Vonleh, Stephenson and 1st

Houston: Dmo, capela, nick johnson, NO 1st, and Ariza

Phoenix: Marcus Morris, Brandon Knight, TJ Warren, Goodwin, and 1st

Utah: Exum, Hood, Burke, and 1st for Melo, Jose, and THJR

Sacramento: 1st, Williams, Stuaskas and McCallum

Orlando: 1st, Harris, Frye, Harkless, and Nicholson

Unless you find any of these intriguing (and the Utah and Orlando ones make you think for second), theres no tremendous market for Melo.

Why tank in a year we don't have a pick? If we give up Melo we should wait a year.



and add in the fact that Melo has a np-trade clause.


And then do I subtract the fact that he has publicly said that he is willing to waive his no trade clause?
I bet he would waive it for the right situation.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/27/2015 1:59 pm : link
Like LA, or Miami or something.

Not Charlotte and certainly not a George Karl reunion in Sacto.
People  
EricNY33 : 5/27/2015 2:02 pm : link
blamed Ewing for everything wrong with the Knicks too. We had to hear how he made nobody better, yet without him manning the middle their defense wouldn't have been nearly as good. We had to hear how he took too many shots and he should've passed more, yet the best teammate he played with in his prime was John Starks who was a career 42% shooter as a Knick. People complained about him and he was a far better player than Melo is, but he wasn't Jordan and that killed the fans.

Knick fans are just impossible to please. Melo has his flaws, but he is one of the most prolific scorers the league has seen in the past 20 years and a first ballot Hall of Famer. It doesn't matter though. He's not LeBron.

Did people really say that about Ewing?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/27/2015 2:04 pm : link
No wonder he had a sour reputation with the media.
People just have no patience  
nygiants16 : 5/27/2015 2:09 pm : link
everyone knew last year was a throwaway year and everyone wanted them to tank, so the Knicks tank and they get shit for having a bad season...It is like seriously nothing pleases people and they actually do what people wanted and they still get shit....

I could understand if at this time next year the Knicks have nothing to show for it and they are coming off another shit year and no draft pick....

There is actually reason for optimism...4th pick in a 4 player draft, 27 million in cap space....some good players are free agents, the east sucks and is wide open....
The best  
Semipro Lineman : 5/27/2015 2:16 pm : link
was in his later years and the Knick teams were having trouble with Indiana in the playoffs. The fact that Larry Bird was simply using the Larry Brown game plan build around defending Ewing and Bird didn't adjust too well to the Knicks running the offense through their wings. So of course Jeff choses to continue to play into the Pacers strength instead of diversifying the offense the times he had a reasonably healthy Ewing.

But this is a sore point with me and the fact that Ewing caught so much flack over the years is part of the reason why I think sports fans in general are fucking morons
hahaAHHAHAAHAA  
GiantFilthy : 5/27/2015 2:21 pm : link
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If that Lakers trade of a #2 and Randle for Melo is real


The problem is  
nygiants16 : 5/27/2015 2:21 pm : link
Ewing's best team was 97 and of course we all know what happened there....after that it was all down hill...

That team was very good, they had 5 guys average double figures...Larry Johnson was still in his prime, Starks as the sixth man, still had Oakley and Ewing as the defensive back bone, that team could score and defend with the best of them...

They were probably the only team that could of beaten Jordan and the Bulls...
Agreed.  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 2:25 pm : link
I was with tanking but the East is so bad it wouldn't take much to win a few playoff series. Atlanta can implode, Washington is at the cap and won't improve, Toronto wants to blow up the roster and fire sell their assets, and Chicago could drop off if they fire Tibs.

Draft Mudiay, sign Monroe, someone who can provide some sort of rim protection (Koufos is 25, looks the part), get a wing with the MLE (gerald green maybe).

Some of the guys on the roster last year could be decent backups. Shved, galloway, and calderon. Aldrich is pretty decent. Maybe flip TH for a backup 4. Could be a serviceable lineup for a year or two before better options become available.
..  
nygiants16 : 5/27/2015 2:33 pm : link
no MLE for the Knicks they will be under the cap...they will have the 2.5 million exception....

The good thing about maxing Monroe is 1 he is 25, 2 he is the perfect fit for the triangle, 3 his max starts at 15 million...that leaves the Knicks with 12 million to add more players to this team....

you could get a Wes Matthes and Maybe Koufos as well...not sure what they are going to want, 1 coming off of injury the other was a back up in Memphis...

it is going to be interesting to see what Phil does with this team..
RE: ..  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 2:37 pm : link
In comment 12302847 nygiants16 said:
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no MLE for the Knicks they will be under the cap...they will have the 2.5 million exception....

The good thing about maxing Monroe is 1 he is 25, 2 he is the perfect fit for the triangle, 3 his max starts at 15 million...that leaves the Knicks with 12 million to add more players to this team....

you could get a Wes Matthes and Maybe Koufos as well...not sure what they are going to want, 1 coming off of injury the other was a back up in Memphis...

it is going to be interesting to see what Phil does with this team..


Whenever Memphis games were nationally televised (which was rarely), all I ever heard about Koufos was that he was going to get a big contract this year. Memphis's defense was actually better when Koufos was out on the floor (albeit vs backups). But he played well in Denver. I could easily see him commanding $8-10 million.

I was assuming that after signing Monroe and Koufos (or whatever big we sign) and re-signing some of our current players, we would be over the cap. At that point, I think Gerlad Green could be a had for $3-5 million.
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nygiants16 : 5/27/2015 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12302855 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 12302847 nygiants16 said:


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no MLE for the Knicks they will be under the cap...they will have the 2.5 million exception....

The good thing about maxing Monroe is 1 he is 25, 2 he is the perfect fit for the triangle, 3 his max starts at 15 million...that leaves the Knicks with 12 million to add more players to this team....

you could get a Wes Matthes and Maybe Koufos as well...not sure what they are going to want, 1 coming off of injury the other was a back up in Memphis...

it is going to be interesting to see what Phil does with this team..



Whenever Memphis games were nationally televised (which was rarely), all I ever heard about Koufos was that he was going to get a big contract this year. Memphis's defense was actually better when Koufos was out on the floor (albeit vs backups). But he played well in Denver. I could easily see him commanding $8-10 million.

I was assuming that after signing Monroe and Koufos (or whatever big we sign) and re-signing some of our current players, we would be over the cap. At that point, I think Gerlad Green could be a had for $3-5 million.


Not how it works...you are given the exception July 8th(new year starts july 1st but cap is not set until the 8th) and if you are under on the 8th then that is the exception you get...

So Knicks could go over the cap but they will still have the 2.5 million exception....

Now that changes for a team over cap for example the Heat last year...they were over the cap on july 8th so at that point they were going to sign Mcroberts with the MLE but when Lebron signed with Cleveland they fell under the cap so they used cap sapce to sign him and had the 2.5 million exception...

Once you fall under the cap all you have is the 2.5 excpetion
Just  
DanMetroMan : 5/27/2015 2:59 pm : link
saw Adam Silver down on Worth st.
RE: Just  
EricNY33 : 5/27/2015 3:02 pm : link
In comment 12302890 DanMetroMan said:
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saw Adam Silver down on Worth st.


And?
Would Gerald Green  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 3:09 pm : link
Take the 2.5 exception? Don't know what he can fetch but there aren't many wings in free agency and he can knock down 3s at a high rate.
RE: RE: Just  
DanMetroMan : 5/27/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12302895 EricNY33 said:
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In comment 12302890 DanMetroMan said:


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saw Adam Silver down on Worth st.



And?


That's basically the whole story. He was going into 141 Worth and I noticed his bald head and while I usually say something to famous people I couldn't think of anything worth saying lol
RE: RE: RE: Just  
Jon in NYC : 5/27/2015 3:29 pm : link
In comment 12302917 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12302890 DanMetroMan said:


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saw Adam Silver down on Worth st.



And?



That's basically the whole story. He was going into 141 Worth and I noticed his bald head and while I usually say something to famous people I couldn't think of anything worth saying lol


"Hey baldie, way to screw the Knicks you dickhead."

That's probably where I would have started.
So you want to trade  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/27/2015 3:43 pm : link
Melo in a upcoming year in which we have no 1st round draft pick?

Okayyyyyyyyyyy
RE: RE: RE: RE: Just  
EricNY33 : 5/27/2015 3:52 pm : link
In comment 12302946 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 12302917 DanMetroMan said:


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In comment 12302895 EricNY33 said:


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In comment 12302890 DanMetroMan said:


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saw Adam Silver down on Worth st.



And?



That's basically the whole story. He was going into 141 Worth and I noticed his bald head and while I usually say something to famous people I couldn't think of anything worth saying lol



"Hey baldie, way to screw the Knicks you dickhead."

That's probably where I would have started.


Jon is better at the whole storytelling thing.
RE: The problem is  
EricNY33 : 5/27/2015 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12302815 nygiants16 said:
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Ewing's best team was 97 and of course we all know what happened there....after that it was all down hill...

That team was very good, they had 5 guys average double figures...Larry Johnson was still in his prime, Starks as the sixth man, still had Oakley and Ewing as the defensive back bone, that team could score and defend with the best of them...

They were probably the only team that could of beaten Jordan and the Bulls...


Yeah let's suspend Ewing for walking near the scoring table...

Nobody can convince me that if Jordan had done the same thing Ewing did that he would've received the same suspension.
It's too late  
arniefez : 5/27/2015 5:44 pm : link
they're stuck with him now. What a never ending mess Dolan has created.
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