Is ridiculous. You have to hold your breath every single second of practice. They don't even have pads on or hit... I've never seen anything like it before.
I hate to say it and sound like a whiny infant, but man injuries suck and I don't know if it was always this way, but if definitely takes away some of my enthusiasm for non game/practice events.
I hate to say it and sound like a whiny infant, but man injuries suck and I don't know if it was always this way, but if definitely takes away some of my enthusiasm for non game/practice events.
are blessings in disguise you might be thinking more long-term than some fans want to think.
If you're talking winning in 2015 (which is probably a long shot anyway) this team needs Beatty and Ayers. Need Flowers and Owa too, but rookies will make rookie mistakes and have rookie learning curves and those growing pains and curves are sometimes too much for a team without much depth at those two spots (OL and DL) to overcome.
we might just find out.
This is unbelievable. One lost in the weight room, one in a
are blessings in disguise you might be thinking more long-term than some fans want to think.
If you're talking winning in 2015 (which is probably a long shot anyway) this team needs Beatty and Ayers. Need Flowers and Owa too, but rookies will make rookie mistakes and have rookie learning curves and those growing pains and curves are sometimes too much for a team without much depth at those two spots (OL and DL) to overcome.
we might just find out.
pj - I disagree -- The Giants probably have to cut wood with a bunch more of the vets - and go to a youth movement -- I think that is today's NFL -- Green Bay - has it right -- you have to draft well, pick up good UFDA's and limit your FA acquisitions -- the Giants have been drafting well -- I would argue for the past three years - and have changed their player profile -- team composition has become so important -- Odi will be 2 or 3 times the player Ayres is - the sooner the better
you are optimistic and I like that and hope you're right, but Damontre Moore was a 3rd round pick entering year 3 and has shown very little other than an occasional flash, certainly not starter material.......yet
Jay Bromley was a 3rd round pick and could barely see the field.
Now Owa is the next of a trio of DL 3rd round picks and your expectation is starter from day 1 - replacing arguably the teams best pass rusher from last year?
I'm not saying Owa won't eventually be better than Ayers. I am saying you're relying on a 3rd round rookie to be plugged into a starting role and based on track record that's an unfair assumption.
I'm not sure how you can consider these injuries as a blessing in disguise. Injuries destroys positional completion & depth. Ayers was good situational pass rusher last. Beatty was fine last year. Sorry don't get how this can be considers a blessing.
He still got a year of starting on the interior line. He still got to learn the offense and the line calls. He still got to match up against NFL defensive tackles and learn what to expect as a pro.
I don't believe the team lost anything for richburg at guard. If anything next year should be easier for him because of it.
Ten Ton Hammer ... we'll agree to disagree on that. While he got to play, he would have been better off gaining experience as an NFL center and not playing out of position.
pjcas...there may be some growing pains with Flowers, but if the Giants are more likely to make a run in 2016 than 2015, then it's better to get him there now.
Ten Ton Hammer ... we'll agree to disagree on that. While he got to play, he would have been better off gaining experience as an NFL center and not playing out of position.
pjcas...there may be some growing pains with Flowers, but if the Giants are more likely to make a run in 2016 than 2015, then it's better to get him there now.
It would have been better for him at center, but it's not a waste at guard.
It's better than if he got no gametime experience at all.
Ten Ton Hammer ... we'll agree to disagree on that. While he got to play, he would have been better off gaining experience as an NFL center and not playing out of position.
pjcas...there may be some growing pains with Flowers, but if the Giants are more likely to make a run in 2016 than 2015, then it's better to get him there now.
I couldn't disagree more. Getting experience with live NFL action in watching blitz pickups, being a part of protection in this offense, etc...it's much more valuable than not playing.
A blessing in the sense that it forces the coaches to start the Flowers at LT transition now rather than next year. It expedites the process.
Last year, they never should have wasted a year with Richburg at LG.
Eric I understand what you are trying to say. But in Flowers you have a very young player who has to get acclaimed to NFL play & needs to work on his technique. Now having to protect Eli's blind side from day one, is alot of added pressure for a young kid.
As to Richberg he stayed at guard because there was no one else. If Schwartz hadn't been injured and / or Snee hadn't retired due to injury, don't you think Richberg would have become the starting center at some point?
Robert Ayers now leaving in a cart. Seemed to be testing left knee. He did seem ok walking.
Ayers walked gingerly before getting in cart. Seemed to be pointing to inside of left knee.
Or, rather, I'm hoping he was carted off as a precaution.
- Dr slefrak
The question should be, who's next to be carted off?
I hate to say it and sound like a whiny infant, but man injuries suck and I don't know if it was always this way, but if definitely takes away some of my enthusiasm for non game/practice events.
I hate to say it and sound like a whiny infant, but man injuries suck and I don't know if it was always this way, but if definitely takes away some of my enthusiasm for non game/practice events.
I meant during OTA's, but yeah....
TC on ayers hurt his knee and ankle..seems like ankle was worse
TC on ayers hurt his knee and ankle..seems like ankle was worse
Not just one injury, but two?
Coughlin on Ayers' injury: "We don't know much about it right now. Hopefully it's not too serious."
Coughlin said DE Robert Ayers hurt his ankle and his knee. Sounds like the ankle is more of a concern.
Next day, ACL tear.
If you're talking winning in 2015 (which is probably a long shot anyway) this team needs Beatty and Ayers. Need Flowers and Owa too, but rookies will make rookie mistakes and have rookie learning curves and those growing pains and curves are sometimes too much for a team without much depth at those two spots (OL and DL) to overcome.
we might just find out.
If you're talking winning in 2015 (which is probably a long shot anyway) this team needs Beatty and Ayers. Need Flowers and Owa too, but rookies will make rookie mistakes and have rookie learning curves and those growing pains and curves are sometimes too much for a team without much depth at those two spots (OL and DL) to overcome.
we might just find out.
pj - I disagree -- The Giants probably have to cut wood with a bunch more of the vets - and go to a youth movement -- I think that is today's NFL -- Green Bay - has it right -- you have to draft well, pick up good UFDA's and limit your FA acquisitions -- the Giants have been drafting well -- I would argue for the past three years - and have changed their player profile -- team composition has become so important -- Odi will be 2 or 3 times the player Ayres is - the sooner the better
Jay Bromley was a 3rd round pick and could barely see the field.
Now Owa is the next of a trio of DL 3rd round picks and your expectation is starter from day 1 - replacing arguably the teams best pass rusher from last year?
I'm not saying Owa won't eventually be better than Ayers. I am saying you're relying on a 3rd round rookie to be plugged into a starting role and based on track record that's an unfair assumption.
Last year, they never should have wasted a year with Richburg at LG.
I don't believe the team lost anything for richburg at guard. If anything next year should be easier for him because of it.
finding out if a guy can play might not help you win this year even if it helps long-term.
that was my point there could be some growing pains and they could absolutely impact 2015.
we should wait to hear about Ayers injury before throwing dirt on his grave. though the way the Giants injury luck has been I think we already know.
pjcas...there may be some growing pains with Flowers, but if the Giants are more likely to make a run in 2016 than 2015, then it's better to get him there now.
pjcas...there may be some growing pains with Flowers, but if the Giants are more likely to make a run in 2016 than 2015, then it's better to get him there now.
It would have been better for him at center, but it's not a waste at guard.
It's better than if he got no gametime experience at all.
How do you think Reese feels?
I don't think they're calling this a blessing in disguise.
even if it turns out to be one, and I definitely think it can, but it's a huge risk (obviously?)
pjcas...there may be some growing pains with Flowers, but if the Giants are more likely to make a run in 2016 than 2015, then it's better to get him there now.
I couldn't disagree more. Getting experience with live NFL action in watching blitz pickups, being a part of protection in this offense, etc...it's much more valuable than not playing.
Last year, they never should have wasted a year with Richburg at LG.
Eric I understand what you are trying to say. But in Flowers you have a very young player who has to get acclaimed to NFL play & needs to work on his technique. Now having to protect Eli's blind side from day one, is alot of added pressure for a young kid.
As to Richberg he stayed at guard because there was no one else. If Schwartz hadn't been injured and / or Snee hadn't retired due to injury, don't you think Richberg would have become the starting center at some point?