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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2015 12:28 pm
Might be a knee.
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in other  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2015 2:29 pm : link
words, what was the point of playing Walton last year?
RE: in other  
Victor in CT : 5/27/2015 2:33 pm : link
In comment 12302837 Eric from BBI said:
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words, what was the point of playing Walton last year?


Walton was in the backfield so much I thought he moved to fullback
BLUATHRT  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2015 2:36 pm : link
sorry for dropping the f bomb.
RE: BLUATHRT  
BLUATHRT : 5/27/2015 2:40 pm : link
In comment 12302853 Eric from BBI said:
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sorry for dropping the f bomb.


Sure...

The point of playing Walton was putting the best 5 lineman on the field at any one point. Walton was a disaster, but you have to believe the coaches saw something that told them that the best formation was with Richburg at G and Walton at C with the players they had. Its like patching a dam with gum.
BLUATHRT  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2015 2:43 pm : link
I think they wanted Walton there because he was a veteran and they would be much more comfortable with him making the OL line calls. It's my understanding that in McAdoo's system, the center makes the OL calls, not Eli, who did that under Gilbride.

That said, one of the reasons why they drafted Richburg was they felt his intelligence set him apart from other centers in the draft.

I just feel like they would have been better off trying to find out more about some of the other OLs like Mosley and playing Richburg at his natural position.

Did Richburg benefit from playing? Of course. But I wish it had been at center.
RE: Watson  
Watson : 5/27/2015 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12302836 Eric from BBI said:
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would LG Mosley-OC Richburg been that much worse than LG Richburg-OC Walton?


Since Mosley has not come close to winning a spot, I would have to say yes, it could have been worse. Imo Mosley has a fight just to make the roster this year, unless there are more injuries.

If no injuries last year wouldn't the interior of

Schwartz / Richberg / Snee or Jerry been alot better. An ideal situation for a rookie center sandwiched between 2 vets.

Injuries just destroy your depth and really limits the possibilities.
Domenik Hixon played on his torn acl  
mirwin : 5/27/2015 2:57 pm : link
and had no idea he even tore it...

Hixon said he initially thought he injured his right calf on his circus touchdown catch. Hixon even briefly returned to play in the third quarter before sitting out the rest of the game. He said he feels no pain in his knee and even appears to walk without a limp.
"There was no pain at all in my knee, that is why I was thinking it was my calf,"

this seems like foreshadowing for the year we will be having.. by week 16 i bet at least 3 starters aren't on this roster yet
At least Mosley is still here....  
Hades07 : 5/27/2015 3:00 pm : link
..Walton was a waste last season. He didn't provide good play and did not help this team build for the future. Eric is right on this. Heck even if Mosley is a waste, they could have put Walton at G instead. Richburg got good experience starting and I am glad he did. It would have been better though if he got that at center.
RE: People are actually surprised?  
Danny Kanell : 5/27/2015 3:04 pm : link
In comment 12302727 Randy in CT said:
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You think this is new to the Giants or are you new to the Giants?


Fixed it


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I just don't see it.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/27/2015 3:51 pm : link
Richburg playing at guard last year opposed to Center was nothing but an optic.

He was undoubtedly learning the line calls with the offense right alongside Walton every step of the way. He started at guard, but if anything happened to Walton, he would have been the backup center. It's not like he didn't prepare that way.
Ten Ton Hammer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2015 3:56 pm : link
It's a different position.
I was reading the 1st team OL thread  
St. Jimmy : 5/27/2015 3:58 pm : link
and said I bet when I go back to the forum, there will be a thread on someone being injured. I was right.
So are you the one who cursed the Giants St. Jimmy?  
Hades07 : 5/27/2015 4:02 pm : link
You celestial beings and your silly games.
RE: Ten Ton Hammer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/27/2015 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12302979 Eric from BBI said:
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It's a different position.


I understand.

But he's played Center for years. He is a Center. The transition from college center to NFL center isn't that you have to re-learn the position. It's learning to recognize defenses, tendencies, and refining technique to a higher level. Those are things you can still do while playing guard.
Re: Walton, Reese signed him and  
mikeygiants : 5/27/2015 5:15 pm : link
it seemed like they felt obligated to play him even when he struggled the entire season. Injuries are going to happen but DL is the deepest position on the team.
I don't think it was an obligation to play Walton so much as  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/27/2015 5:39 pm : link
He could only play 1 position while Richburg was felt to be able to play guard and backup center.

little ass hat  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/27/2015 6:15 pm : link
but I heard Ayers is Minor
RE: So are you the one who cursed the Giants St. Jimmy?  
St. Jimmy : 5/27/2015 6:40 pm : link
In comment 12302983 Hades07 said:
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You celestial beings and your silly games.
No. Unfortunately, just able to predict the predictable.
RE: little ass hat  
bradshaw44 : 5/27/2015 6:42 pm : link
In comment 12303153 Paulie Walnuts said:
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but I heard Ayers is Minor


Hope you're right. Thanks for the info.
This team is not snake bitten...  
EricJ : 5/27/2015 8:27 pm : link
I will continue to mention that I truly believe this is closely related to strength and conditioning. The injuries we are seeing could be because...
1. Lifting too heavily without the appropriate rest.
2. Poor/insufficient stretching
3. Overall flexibility, not just the major muscle groups.
4. Over=training or under-training prior to OTA's
5. Medical team not closely monitoring every player for signs of weakness in muscles, etc
Disagree  
grizz299 : 5/27/2015 9:36 pm : link
Last year we copied the "Navy Seal" routine that worked for Philly.

GPS's on the players body and wired to computer's determined practice time, water breaks, stretching breaks etc.

TC has tried everythng, been flexible and open. To write as if simple breaks and the absence of stretching was part of the regime is simply wrong.
Sometimes you flip a coin and it comes up heads five times in a row. On that sixth flip there no guaranteed compensation, the laws of probability says you're still at 50-50.
Grizz  
EricJ : 5/27/2015 10:02 pm : link
I laughed when I heard about the GPS. So knowing a player's location helps prevent injuries? I also did not say that stretching was absent.

Take Cruz's injury for example. I read as much as I could about it online. Most of what I found was that the tear occurs from being over-worked or it occurs after it has deteriorated. It just does not happen to a healthy tendon. I imagine that the doctors may have noticed something if there was a picture taken of his tendon at some point prior to the injury. One would say that his injury occurred the moment he went down in that game. I say that the injury occurred long before that day but it finally completely snapped that day.
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